10 Reasons why being gay is WRONG!!!

MOST HELPFUL POSTS

Esther - posted on 04/08/2010

3,513

32

144

Meaning I don't need any deity to tell me right from wrong or how to behave. Meaning I DEFINITELY don't need some fallible men with their own agendas, who viewed things through the prism of the age they lived in and who penned down what they THINK some deity thinks/feels/wants (and who were then interpreted by a WHOLE bunch of other fallible men over the span of several centuries) to tell me right from wrong or how to behave. Meaning I'm perfectly capable of making these types of decisions on my own, in accordance with my own belief system and my own sense of right and wrong.

Krista - posted on 04/11/2010

12,562

16

842

You know, the WORDS are in English, but damned if what she's saying actually makes any sense...

So let's try to recap Sherri's points, shall we?

1. Esther has a funny-sounding name. (Those damn Dutch!)
2. Esther has no life and is brainless, because she started this debate in the first place. (How DARE someone start a discussion thread on a discussion board! Who the hell does Esther think she is, anyway?)
3. Anybody who has responded to Sherri has no life.
4. We're big meanies because we keep forcing Sherri at gunpoint to come back here and respond to us. If we'd only just let her have the last word, she could go off and do whatever it is that she does when she's not here, like looking for hidden messages from space in every second sentence of The National Enquirer.
5. Sherri has a bunch of friends who think that she's the bees knees. Yay for her. If they're as whackadoodle as she is, then it's nice that they've all found each other.
6. Sherri, for some strange reason, thinks that we owe her an apology, when she's the one who started flinging around insults in the first place.

Oh, and Sherri. We don't think that you're a bad person for being opinionated. We think that you're a bad person because you are a) flinging a bunch of personal insults towards a very nice lady for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, and b) you're being very hypocritical, accusing us of having no life because we respond to your posts, when you're spending just as much time responding to ours.

Plus, you're acting rather insane. Seriously. You come in here and shit all over the discussion and then act as though you're better than us?

You've said on multiple occasions that you're done with this discussion. We're still waiting for you to leave, hon. Trust me, you won't be missed.

JL - posted on 03/22/2010

3,635

48

105

HELLO...Before JUMPING to conclusions how about clicking on the link provided and actually READING the content of the OP..this OP is about a link to a community called DEBATING MUMS and the topic Esther posted is from that community and it is actually a take on how the bigoted comments about being gay are stereotypes without basis. The post is actually in SUPPORT of gay marriage.



Half the people that responded to this post only read the title and then jumped all over Esther for NO reason. She supports gay marriage and was trying to get more moms to join the Debating Mums community and discuss the topic over there. For those of you who don't Esther she is one of the oldest members of the OM community and she is a champion of gay rights.



Before jumping to conclusions and calling people names how about fully reading the link that was provided so you know what you are discussing before you post.

Esther - posted on 05/21/2010

3,513

32

144

The anger and emotion comes from the fact that gay people are made to feel like there is something wrong with them all the time. They are treated by a large segment of society as second class citizens. They don't have the same rights that heterosexuals have. They can't marry the person they love and have their union recognized by others. They are often shunned by their own families, the very people who are supposed to love them unconditionally. They are told they will go to hell. They are told they chose a lifestyle that is wrong, sinful, dirty etc. and by extention that they are wrong, sinful, dirty for being who they are. It doesn't get more emotional than that.

[deleted account]

I wasn't going to even read the link...But as I was going through..and reading the comments I saw the post of what the link was!! I was really going to have to chime in and be another upset poster!!! I am happy I read the link...well the comment that put the contents of the link!! lol!! I will say....all the talk about religion and such!! I always have found it very interesting how "holy rollers" are always speaking of love and caring for everyone but they will speak of how wrong being gay is and it's such a sin!!! But the funny part is....NO SIN IS WORSE THAN THE OTHER!!! And like a previous poster said...GOD made us the way he wanted us to be...He knew what he was doing....and I don't care how often you are in the church and preaching to the world....it doesn't make you perfect and without sin and nor does it give you the right to judge!! I was with females before me and my fiance decided to get it together and buckle down! Love has no gender...or no color!!! It's natural and it doesn't matter if it's a girl loving a girl...a guy loving a guy....or a girl and a man loving each other....when it's real that's all that matters!!!! And this is no stab to no one!!! Just wanted to speak on it!

This conversation has been closed to further comments

102 Comments

View replies by

Dana - posted on 09/10/2010

11,264

35

489

Haha, well I'm glad you took the time to read it, not everyone does. Don't feel like an ass! :)

Missy - posted on 09/10/2010

8

74

0

Well, now that I got the link to work and feel like an ass...yeah...ok...Thanks Dana! I deserved that! My apologies! D'oh!!

Missy - posted on 09/10/2010

8

74

0

This is absolute ignorance and absolutley rediculous. America is about equalitiy and being gay does not make you better or worse than anyone else, just as being a man or woman can make you more powerful. Get over yourself and show respect.

Eimear - posted on 08/17/2010

2

3

0

The original link was humorous and made the point well. Sorry If I 'jumped' in.

For those who believe in the 'wrongness' of someone's sexual preference. It's like saying 'reasons why being human is WRONG';

it simply IS. Sexual and spiritual preferences are unique to the person and it is not our place to stand in anyone else's shoes and pass judgement.

If we all lived with more acceptance and love and less hatred and bigotry the world would be a better place. Many spiritual leaders of many religions, including Jesus, teachings are that it is not one person's place to Judge another. Live and let live. Be HUMAN.

Jennifer - posted on 08/02/2010

448

72

38

I really enjoyed the title and its content.. and I thought its boldness was true to the writer. Very good! Thank you for posting this, it was a good uplift to otherwise "normal" day in cyber space. I really encourage people to sit and know a person. Yes its hard at times I know.. but really everyone deserves a place to have their voice and I think there is absolutely no room to slander or hate another for whatever their choice may be. I cherish all the different people in my life as they add so much more dimension to it..

Jennifer - posted on 08/02/2010

448

72

38

I have to be transparent is saying it was the title that grabbed me. I thought to myself "Oh, this ought to be GOOD!".. it definitely exceeded my expectations. I grew up in Christianity and I love God with all my heart and soul. I use to be afraid of everything, not mad or hateful just afraid (ignorant).. then one day I was in a coffee shop and I sat next to this wonderful guy and we had the best conversation about art, literature and war and love and heartbreak.. coffee shop closed and he says to me "By the way Jen, you say you love Jesus. Did you know I was gay?" I say "Jeff, I do love Jesus and in the entirety of our conversation it never crossed my mind as to why your sexual orientation would matter to be honest." He says to me "Do you hate me?" I said "No Jeff to be honest I found you to be the greatest guy I have met." He says "Jen, I think your beautiful and if I were to ever pick a woman to be with it would have to be one like you... promise you won't try to convert me?" I said "yes Jeff, promise I won't convert you.. could I anyways?" He laughs. I said to him "Promise you won't convert me either?" He says "darling, I promise to never try to change a thing -- except your choice in shoes.. ".. lol! sorry but it was true.. he said that and he has good taste in shoes. Sorry he just does. :) That was the day I met someone great.. I heard his story and it was a great one and its hard for me as a writer to not want to tell it, but I can't as its his and I love him too much.. you know what makes me sad? Is that I sit and talk to Jeff and he is one of my greatest friends and I thank God everyday that I met him. You know.. I am still a God loving person and I love Jesus and it never bothers me or offends me if someone doesn't feel the same.. I think its sad that we take a verse out of context and shove it down the throats of everyone but we forget all the other things in the book. No Jeff does not believe in the Bible and its OK. Do I need to hate him.. NO WAY! I am glad that he accepts that I DO and we are good friends. Yes we do not agree on every life topic.. but then again what fun is agreeing all the time. I am a single mom and I raise my child to not see the label that society puts on but to rather see the heart.. even of those who may hate and despise another for a choice.. until we really sit and listen to another person's heart.. how can we even say a word? Do I think I am going to hell for loving Jeff or any other of my friends who feel differently than me? Nope. I think definite no. I think its the same for most as I honestly admit it used to be for me.. "fear".. my very very best friend is Muslim and I found it sad that its mostly my own Christian friends that have an issue with her.. not all of them.. but a majority and they never even met her.... I think God sent Jeff to me.. He is one of my greatest friends to this day and I have seen how people treat him and it hurts me so badly as they never even met him...

Sabrina - posted on 07/30/2010

23

39

1

Who are you to judge. The gay people around you do not judge your choice to be "normal". Nothing is wrong with being gay why is it that people like you need to label and look down on gay people? I am not gay but I don't really care who is or who is not. We are all people and we have the right to make the choices that we wish. I am sure there are things you do in your life that others don't agree with but you are not judged for it.

Kathy - posted on 07/25/2010

100

51

18

That was quite humorous. One sad thought is that a few loud-mouthed street-marching, media-seeking-for-all-the-wrong-reason, prolly-don't-even-read-the-Bible-for-themselves-but follow-the-lead-of-some-self-serving-self-named-bishop-dude Christians make all of us who really practice what The Word says look like we're whackos, too.



Now I teach Sunday school to 7 & 8 year olds and I teach them that God loves them, no matter what. I do prison ministry and there are folks who will not go even though the Bible says "visit those in prison as if you yourself were in prison." They will just draw the line at going there and sharing love with THOSE people. The Bible says LOVE and the people described above express hate at every turn. Jesus hung around thieves, hookers, tax collectors (they meant something different back then) and all sorts. There is nowhere in the Bible where it says hate. Jesus even said to love your enemies! Imagine that! There is more about certain acts being described as distasteful or an "abomination" in God's eyes but it doesn't say that any people are or that one who believes in Him should hate any of them.



I do believe, as studies show and as I have observed in my 34 years working with children, there is a condition of homosexuality in chromosomes (scientists have attested to that) in child born gay. Then there are children whose experiences make them prefer the same sex because of a traumatic experience/abuse by the opposite sex. Whatever the reason, they're somebody's child and not trash to be thrown out to the streets. God loves them even if some Christians don't. When it comes to people, there is a Scripture that says GOD IS LOVE. Nowhere does it say He's about hate when it comes to people except the things we may do.



One of my best friends is gay. We pray for each other all the time. We don't always agree--some on lifestyle issues, but I don't judge him. Mostly we disagree on some areas of theology because he's Catholic and I'm Protestant. To me he's a person, first.



Excuse my soapbox. I just get tired of a few fringe street marchers, many who claim to drink an excessive amount of "tea," being the media spokespersons for all of us who actually walk in the teachings of Christ. That's all I'll say. Ms. Kathy has left the building.{:^D}

Zatonda - posted on 07/24/2010

119

32

5

reply go for both links, don't see the purpose in reposting those for it vs those not, I smell a trouble maker lol, whatever makes you free to be. lol

Zatonda - posted on 07/24/2010

119

32

5

I guess there 10 reason why you shouldn't steal to follow 10 reasons why you shouldn't lie as well as 10 reason why you shouldn't murder, so and so forth. I guess If one person focus on so many wrongs going on with what other people do they don't see what the hell they do daily, wrong is in the eye of the beholder, that person live that life, I guess you should add 10 reason as why you should love all,,,,,,,,,I think I got better chance at going to heaven loving people. I think my chances are higher than finding reason to not like people ugh.

Wendy - posted on 07/17/2010

3

107

0

If you all read the article that she is talking about it's not that she agrees that it is wrong to be gay she just wants you to look at the comments that were made on each of the ten it is quite funny. She isn't being a bigot just showing you what is going around and being commented on. I believe that she isn't against Gays or Gay marriage just showing you all this debate. Am I right Ester ?????

Wendy - posted on 06/16/2010

3

107

0

Being gay is not a choice they are born that way and it is no ones right to judge whether it is right or wrong. Just like the color of your hair or if you have any when you are older it is the way you were born.

Stephanie - posted on 06/15/2010

1

0

0

this whole debate is ridiculous!!! why does religion have anything to do with sexuality??? all i know is that if my son is gay, i will love him the same way i have loved him since the day he was born. btw...maybe the text of the debate didn't match the title, but why would you start with such a sensitive title. obviously people are going to get angry!!! come on, you had to expect that!!!

Stephanie - posted on 06/14/2010

4

8

0

Wow!! I will admit that I was momentarily peeved when I read the title of this convo,only because I am SO TIRED of hatred and hipocracy! I then read the link and was pleased that Esther had posted something both progressive and funny :} Then.....I scrolled down! Man, I am glad this was an online discussion, cause I honestly think somebody would have gotten punched in 'real life'! Now, I did say that I don't like hatred and hipocracy, so I will not be slamming or demeaning Sherry. However, I think that people who behave as she did are one of the [many] reasons there is so much hatred and dis-unity in the world. It truly is so sad when I see and hear this type of anger in response to something as simple as LOVE. I will not ever presume it to be my right to tell someone who they can and cannot love, nor will I viciously attack someone for believing otherise. And I certainly will not hate someone simply because they are different from me. We are all different, we are all equal, get used to it. Anyway, I'm not here to preach but one last thing: Esther, your name is very nice, and I imagine you and I could have some wonderful conversations over coffee :} And Sherry Honey, BREATHE!
Thanks ya'll!

SarahJane - posted on 06/06/2010

118

63

10

Wow, this is a whole bucket of crazy!! Again, I would like to say, When is love wrong?? Espeicallyl if it is between two consenting adults.

Maggie - posted on 05/23/2010

2

4

0

I dont think being gay is wrong at all and I'm really not sure what people's actual problem could be with gay people. If its God, I dont remember God telling fellow Christians to pursecute others. I love God. And after my daughter was born, I understood that no matter what her choice in life I will love her no matter what she chooses.

Dana - posted on 05/23/2010

11,264

35

489

Serene, maybe before you call someone ignorant, you should read the link. Just maybe??

Serene - posted on 05/23/2010

577

59

41

Why would you post that here take it another area because i don't want to hear it. You sound ignorant....... It shouldn't matter if someone is gay. Its none of your business and it is rude that you would post something like this. I'm all for gay marriage and them raising a family. How often have you heard a gay person molest there child..... Never it has always been the straight couples. How often have you heard that a child turns gay because of there gay parents....NEVER!!!!!! Its straight people kids that turn gay.... You claim that they are in SIN because they are gay, well =biggot what about the men and women that cheat on their spouses aren't they SINNING too. God has created us all equal and some of us were born to be gay and others weren't. But, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING GAY!!!!!!!!

Della - posted on 05/21/2010

63

13

1

I am more inclined to return to this grounp after reading the resposes. Yea, I I'll read further before I make a statement. Everyone who made comments was wonderful.

Esther - posted on 05/21/2010

3,513

32

144

Quoting Barbara: That's what I'm saying about the genetic science. These kinds of "conversations" can't be "won" through subjective emotions. One side is never going to change the other side's "truths" about the issue of homosexuality.





The same could be said about religion. If only science could prove the existence of God, it would end a lot of bickering around the world there too. Maybe until that time we should take away Christians rights to worship.

[deleted account]

Oh and it's not about the last word....People use "Science" as an excuse for things that are not accepted to be explained so that they can feel better or find an excuse for it....If a scientist came out and said IT IS PROVEN THAT GAY PEOPLE WERE BORN GAY....IT IS IN THEIR GENETIC MAKEUP....The world would be OKAY....Because if and when they came across a gay person they then would be able to say "Oh...He/She was born that way" and it would be left alone...But because no one can understand or because it is not justified by a bunch of other people or by science...it is a problem....It is not about having the last word....and it's not about WINNING...It's about giving a damn about more than just yourself and how you feel about a situation...The "TRUTH" is being gay is not an epidemic or a disease or something that is OH SO HORRIBLE....It's people who didn't find love or comfort with the opposite sex...but found love...comfort...and a sense of self with the same sex...what good is life if you are not happy and with someone you are happy with?!?!? Last words aren't needed...this is a discussion...everyone's word is great!! you learn from all interactions....but to be bias and ignorant is useless....and there is nothing wrong with the HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY...There is something wrong with the "I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I DON'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME COMMUNITY!"

[deleted account]

Thank You ESTHER!!! And @ Barbara....I know what science is....I am a Chemistry major and a Biology Minor.....So I know what it is ALL about!!!! And I am not getting angry...at all!! But as far as science goes...A scientist cannot tell a gay person why or how they became to be gay or why they are gay or when it started...Only they would know that...I don't care what scientist have done or are doing or where they take place in the genetic world....Science makes up alot of things yes that is true...But science came from a higher power and that higher power made people in his eyes and how he wanted them to be...So to say there isn't any scientific data to prove that someone was born gay is BS....The person that knows they was born gay is enough proof for me...Mainly because that is not my concern....Regardless of who they are and who they choose to be with...they...you know what WE are still people! and we deserve as much respect as the "heterosexual community"!

[deleted account]

I can see being very frustrated by all of that. However, it doesn't justify the spit and vinegar each side of the argument throws at each other. That's what I'm saying about the genetic science. These kinds of "conversations" can't be "won" through subjective emotions. One side is never going to change the other side's "truths" about the issue of homosexuality. I'll let you have the last word if you like.

[deleted account]

Esther, in your first statement you are correct about what I implied. Have you heard of the Meme Theory? Anyway, I still don't understand why people get so emotional in their posts. If, as many are saying, it shouldn't concern others, then why the anger? There is no way one side is going to convince the other side of the "right-ness" of this issue. I'm not saying that the people who live it need (or want) the scientific proof. But what is "truth"? Think of it this way: If the scientific proof, yes or no to genetic predisposition, were there, that would settle and might put an end to all of the anger and bickering that occurs around this topic.

Esther - posted on 05/21/2010

3,513

32

144

Quote Barbara: This is a case of "if you say it often enough, people will start to believe" from the media.

How about this is a case of people having LIVED it often enough to know the truth? They KNOW they were born gay. They don't need any science to proof it, or media to concur. It is what it is. I have yet to meet one gay person who said they were born straight but at age 12 decided that the "gay lifestyle" was just so much more appealing to them that that's how they chose to live the rest of their lives.

[deleted account]

Jersey, no need to get angry. However, your argument is irrational and based more on emotion than anything else. Scientists broke the genetic code for humans. That is science, and it is well known in biology that much of who you are is based on your unique and special genetic code and how it is shaped by your environment (nature/nurture). So, from studies it has been determined that some alcoholics have a genetic predisposition to get "hooked" on alcohol, regardless of their circumstances. So, there is nothing wrong with wanting proof and facts on a biological claim that has been widespread as fact, even though it has no basis other than anecdotal. I think it's fear of what science may show. It doesn't bother me if they find there is a genetic link or no genetic link at all. Oh, and BTW, anything is my concern as long as my tax dollars are being spent on research related to that anything. (Diseases, drugs, behavior, animal research, whatever)

[deleted account]

And to Barbara...it doesn't have to be scientific proof that people are born gay or otherwise!!! Everyone always wants something to be proven from Doctors or Scientist so that they can find a reason to make theirselves feel better!!! Life is not that way at all!!! I have a friend...we have been friends since we were 5 and she never felt as though being around or with guys was comfortable for her!!! It's just how things are....No one needs an explanation especially if it doesn't concern you!

[deleted account]

Temple, there is no valid and reliable scientific evidence to date that people are "born that way". Lots of anecdotal stuff, but in science that proves nothing. This is a case of "if you say it often enough, people will start to believe" from the media.

Sara - posted on 04/12/2010

9,313

50

584

**crickets chirping**



And Esther is the MOST beautiful name ever...besides Sara. :P

Isobel - posted on 04/11/2010

9,849

0

282

a) I think that Esther is the prettiest name I ever heard.
b) I think that the name Sherri is sooooo 5 minutes ago
c) I think that if Sherri read the post she would laugh at her own posts
d) I miss you all so

Linda - posted on 04/11/2010

49

4

4

Esther- I feel the need to profusely apologize ..... for saying you are on the same wave length as Sherri. I didn't realize that could be as insulting as it turned out to be. lol.

Krista - posted on 04/11/2010

12,562

16

842

I know I am done with this going back and forth, are you? :)


And....we're still waiting. For someone who's "done", you sure like to keep coming back. Don't you have that rich, fulfilling, oh-so-better-than-ours life of yours to get to? I'm sure you have a busy day ahead as you spread sunshine and joy to everybody who's lucky enough to cross your path.

Dana - posted on 04/11/2010

11,264

35

489

ROFLMAO @ getting pm's from other moms about how ridiculous we sound....that's just freakin classic...

Sherri - posted on 04/11/2010

41

0

0

No Krista, I don't think I am better than you, I know I am. But thankyou for pointing that out. Are you just upset that your welfare check hasn't come yet? Now I am going to spend time with my kids and husband. So you have a great day trying to actually come up with some intelligent remarks...

Sherri - posted on 04/11/2010

41

0

0

Im sure I could find one for you. you could use it as your profile pic..... Are you really that slow? Your the one that started this with your hateful post, and now your like obsessed with the whole thing. JUST DROP IT!! Im sure that older women like you may not have much of a life, but your not bothering me in the least with your comments. It's kind of entertaining for me.

Sherri - posted on 04/11/2010

41

0

0

Here is some advice.... grow a pair and stop acting like Im such a bad person for being opinionated. To Krista, I never wondered or cared who or why anyone was being rude to me, because I don't care. I have a life, which apparently none of you do, if you did, you would stop making your ignorant comments. Of course I have to waste my time and respond, because I find it humorous, and if you only knew how many personal messages I have been getting from other moms on here about how ridiculous you all sound and that Im actually the only one making good points on here, (and that's saying it nice), I think you would be quite surprised. So I accept all your apologies!! I know I am done with this going back and forth, are you? :)

Dana - posted on 04/10/2010

11,264

35

489

Sherri the only one who has been rude and insulting is you. You could quit commenting on this subject, trust us, we'd be quite happy if you did. :)

Krista - posted on 04/10/2010

12,562

16

842

Um yeah....no.

After your first comment, Esther replied, figuring that you had obviously not read the entire post, and that you were just reacting to the title.

To which YOU then replied: "How would you like it if I posted something on here saying "how many people on here think that esther is the dumbest name you have ever heard???) That would be just as ignorant as what you wrote. You are a hateful person who needs to get a life and worry about your own life and start using what little brains your nonexistent god gave you."

Seriously, lady. You go off on Esther and call her names for absolutely no good reason, and you're wondering why we're rude to you in return? You're the one who came in here guns a-blazing, calling people names.

And yeah, I am concerned about you. Most rational people do not interact with others the way that you have been.

Sherri - posted on 04/10/2010

41

0

0

There is absolutely nothing wrong with me, but thanks for the concern. I honestly don't know how many times I have to keep commenting on this subject. First of all, if someone is going to post a comment that sounds hateful, they are going to get a response. I could care less what was posted, or why it was posted. Even after my first comment, before I realized the situation and the stupidity of the person who started the whole thing, I had certain immature people responding to what I said. If these certain individuals can read, then they would realize I wasn't the only one who was making these "rude" comments. Also, I could care less what you make public. If you are going to be rude and insult me, your going to get the same in return. really!!

Krista - posted on 04/10/2010

12,562

16

842

Sherri, seriously. What is wrong with you?

Esther posted this as SATIRE. It's been posted as well under a few other communities. Basically, it's listing all of the reasons that are USUALLY given as to why to oppose homosexuality, but then rebuts them all very effectively.

If you think that it was wrong of her to post this, that's one thing. But you've been launching quite the volley of personal attacks on her, which is definitely not acceptable.

And if you don't have to drink to calm down, then please consider doing whatever it is that you USUALLY do to calm down, because you're all wound up and being insulting for no good reason, really.

Dana - posted on 04/10/2010

11,264

35

489

Sherri, seriously. Stop it. I'm not kidding. You're not even making sense. If you would actually read anything, you'd notice that you and Esther agree on gay rights. I've sent you a private message on this matter and I hate to take it public but that's enough.

Join Circle of Moms

Sign up for Circle of Moms and be a part of this community! Membership is just one click away.

Join Circle of Moms