Look out for the negative health reform campaigns

Julie - posted on 09/25/2009

I really wish more people like you would speak out, and give specific exammples. Writing letters to the editor of Newspapers, like the New York Times, La Times, Washington Post, would be helpful.

Jennifer - posted on 09/17/2009

i wish you would all make your stories heard all over america because we have to many people that only listen to biased people who have no idea what they are talking about... love this statement!!!!!

Vanessa - posted on 09/17/2009

Your story sounds a lot like mine. For the longest I too did not have health care coverage because I could not afford it. After my little one was born we dropped the health care my husband had for me because it was too expensive and kept the health care for our child. There should never be a time a parent has to make this decision. That is why this reform is needed so badly. I simply do not understand why so many are fighting against this.

Sirpa - posted on 09/16/2009

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Sirpa - posted on 09/16/2009

I used to live in Scandinavia (Finland) where we have Universal Healthcare and it is wonderful. My parents still live there and my mom had a heart problem this May, the same week that she was going to fly to America to see me. That week, she was feeling dizzy and fainty, so she walked to the doctors office, where they took heartfilms and put color in the arteries/veins to see that there were blockages. They took her in the same day and did the amnioplasty. She was in the hospital (in a private room) for a few days after that and is well now. I think she could have died if she had flown here that week! I am so glad she was in Finland and better yet, it cost her nothing!

Sirpa - posted on 09/16/2009

Write to your congressmen that you support health reform! Also there is a group in facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event....

Sirpa - posted on 09/16/2009

Most Doctors support health reform and the public option. See >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

Jennifer - posted on 08/20/2009

Elizabeth,
Yes, a simple email is enough. Most long letters don't have any more impact than short responses. However, they have a higher chance (albeit small) of getting looked at and influencing them.

Kathy - posted on 08/20/2009

I'm so tired of the scare tactics and those who will keep yelling "socialist" at every town hall meeting. It seems if you can find a buzz word to throw out, you don't need a real debate over issues. I would really like to see healthcare reform. I voted for Obama and have been a supporter because he is willing to tackle the tough issues most politician want to push off.

Elizabeth - posted on 08/19/2009

Jennifer,

Do you think a straightforward email is enough. I want to lobby more face to face, but unfortunately it is hard to find time being a workin' mama of three little boys. I've called my congressmen and complained when I found out he was for dragging this out longer. Besides a phone call, do you think email would get ignored?



Will send an email tonight and thank you!!

Rachael - posted on 08/19/2009

Quoting Kelly:

There are so many in this country that have insurance and mistakenly think that they are in the clear because they are covered. However, many Americans that have insurance, once diagnosed with a catastrophic illness, find out that they are terribly under insured. Unfortunately at that point it is too late because now you have a pre-existing condition and will not qualify to purchase more insurance and therefore end up bankrupt. It is a slippery slope. Very scary.

A very good point.  Also, many insurance companies will not cover pregnancy-related costs as it considers it to be a "voluntary condition".  My insurance provider, unfortunately will only cover it if and only if I have kept coverage for over 5 years.  In short, I'm having to pay for most of this pregnancy/delivery out of my own pocket.  Sorry, but that's just downright vile to me.

Jennifer - posted on 08/19/2009

There was a very interesting commentary on CNN.com yesterday from a former public image exec from CIGNA. He quit just last year, and he basically fingers insurance companies for all the negative advertising, spin, and falsehoods that he's seeing. He should know, since it used to be his job to come up with it.



We need clear voices to come out in favor of health care reform before the vocal minority is able to derail it. Please contact your senators (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_in...) and your representatives (https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml).



From my lobbying work, I've been told that their staff counts the number of pro/con votes. Each email, phone call, & letter gets counted, and a simple statement of your position is enough. If you have something you want to tell them, anything that you can do to differentiate your message will increase the chances that it will be noticed by a staffer and potentially passed on. Handwritten letters, face to face contact (lobbying), etc are better. No matter what, what we need to get health care reform passed is to out number the other side for as many congressmen as possible. Anything you can do to help is important.

Kelly - posted on 08/18/2009

There are so many in this country that have insurance and mistakenly think that they are in the clear because they are covered. However, many Americans that have insurance, once diagnosed with a catastrophic illness, find out that they are terribly under insured. Unfortunately at that point it is too late because now you have a pre-existing condition and will not qualify to purchase more insurance and therefore end up bankrupt. It is a slippery slope. Very scary.

Lauren - posted on 08/16/2009

hey everyone, i am new to this community and to circle of moms. but i wanted to just give a few resources for those interested in finding out more about health care reform (i am not sure if someone has already posted these already). i feel the most important thing is for people to be informed before believing all the misconceptions that are out there about health care reform. hope they are helpful!

http://www.healthreform.gov/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/7...

for those of you who would like to show your support of health care reform in the u.s., please state your support: http://www.healthreform.gov/support.html

Jeannette - posted on 08/12/2009

Joy, thank you for the recommendation...I am on my way there right after this post! Just so you know, I was not debating the issue of military base education...I was giving an example of how I like to collect info from experienced people to help form decisions. Like I said, I and my mostly conservative husband, really do support health care reform. I am not afraid of change, I often times encourage it! Thanks for not bashing me, or going overboard with exclamation marks. I really appreciate adult conversations with level headed people. I do not embrace the irrationality that goes on during the town hall meetings. : ) Thanks ladies! Mary Elizabeth..thank you! okay...my brother and his family just walked in..and we're having dinner together...but I will most definately go to the recommended conversation. You said it got heated...I hope they're not throwing things. lol!

Rhonda - posted on 08/12/2009

I am so grateful for your comments. I am a teacher married with two kids. I pay and recieve health insurance through my employer however, I recognize the large number of people who are insured. I am going back to work monday and work withmany republicans who are going to start bashing Obamas Health care plan and I need some

good comebacks. They are so opinionated and wrong and I want to prove it to them.

They lie and misconstrue everything and I need to get more information so that i can be confident when responding to my coworkers.

Denise - posted on 08/12/2009

Again a grassroots effort. We all must share with others our support for health care for all.

JL - posted on 08/11/2009

Rachel...I am from the South and I went to some highschools in the South and I know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to football. I played softball in highschool and the team I played for was one of the highest ranked girls softball teams in the state of Alabama but you would not have known that based on our funding because the Athletics department put almost every dime into the football team. It sucked because the football players got free tutoring, afterschool assistance, they were taken out to eat and travelled in nice buses while the rest of us are sitting in class with out dated books and if we needed tutors we better shell out some cash to pay for it. The school I attended went as far as assisting families in moving to our district so their sons could play for our division 4A champion football team. I went to highschool with 2 guys that became pro football players...Tony Richardson and Shawn Stuckey. If you played football and you were good then you were golden because you were guaranteed to get a full ride to a university.

Rachael - posted on 08/11/2009

I should mention though, that my experiences with a universal healthcare system (UK, primarily) were far better than any that I've had in the US. My husband fractured two of his toes during a friendly soccer match in England, not only did we not pay a dime (including his pain killers, x-rays, etc...), but we also were in and out of the facility in approximately 40 minutes. That is practically unheard of here!



Our system, on the other hand--when I was a teenager, I fractured several ribs during a hockey match--thankfully my parents' insurance covered most of it, but we sat in the ER for about 8 hours, while I'm in excruciating pain, before we were even taken to triage. Now as an adult (and having worked in medicine), I find it infuriating that not only is our system not efficient in treating patients, but most of that wasted time is spent on dealing with insurance companies and focusing on making a profit instead of treating patients.

ME - posted on 08/11/2009

Jeannette, I think it is wonderful that you want to understand all of the facts and issues before making a decision. I think the biggest problem with this (and many political issues) health care reform "problem" is that people just accept what they are told by our politicians and news agencies, and don't search for ALL of the available info before coming to a conclusion. I know that health care reform and a public option for healthcare would not only benefit MY family, but millions of other families around our country. I know because I've done the research...I think you would benefit from taking Joy's suggestion and looking into similar convos on Debating Mums...lots of great info there from women/moms who have lived with UHC...

Rachael - posted on 08/11/2009

One of the problems that we experience in the South (primarily, Texas) is not just the lack of funding for education, but spending said funds on non-academic interests such as football. Unfortunately there is a far greater interest in football here than there is for a want of a better education.



The high school I attended was a medically-based magnet school (top-rated in the country, even) and every year without fail, we would not receive funding that was necessary for the upkeep of our academics. Instead, the district would use our funding for another high school's football team. Granted, we did manage to "survive" from private donations, but not many schools can afford that luxury.



Perhaps as an academic I am biased, but I find something terribly wrong with an educational system that would rather spend millions on: a high school football stadium, brand new uniforms and equipment, a coach with a six-figure salary (when most teachers are barely making $40K), and yet the students are required to learn from textbooks from the Regan era (or in my case, Carter), nor do they have access to materials that will actually prepare them for college.



...whoops, sorry to have gone off topic!

JL - posted on 08/11/2009

I am sure there are some military brats that went to some bad schools but that has not been my experience at all in fact in my experience more parents chose schools on base then off because the schools on base were better. I have lived in 6 different states and gone to 7 different schools in the US and lived in Munich, Germany from kindergarten through 2nd grade, so I am speaking from my experience. I am also speaking as a parent whose chose to move on a military base because the state I live in Georgia does not have the greatest school systems. I researched and found that the base we were going to be stationed on had one of the best schools in the state..it is a remarkable elementary school. When I lived in Hawaii some of the best elementary school in the state was the schools on the military bases. When I lived in Lawton, Oklahoma one of the better elementary schools was on Fort Sill. When I taught school in Maryland the better elementary, middle school, and high schools around the area of Fort Meade where on Fort Meade.

Many more military bases are in Southern states than in any other states and Southern states on average have some of the worst school systems so many military families are glad we have our own schools on base so that our kids can get a better education. Now I just wish more Representatives in the Southern states would agree to more federal assistance when it comes to education so that they could uplift the standards and assistance for the failing public schools throughout the South that are not located on military bases. Once I was in highschool I had to go to public schools that were off base and let me tell you I attended a few crappy schools that had low standards and miminal financial assistance. We had overcrowded classrooms, not enough books, and outdated materials and that was because they were located in low income counties in lower income states.

But this is way off the topic at hand and as far as healthcare goes I would tell you that you should go over into the debating mums community and look up the posts on healthcare over there because they are a number of women who live in Canada and Austrailia on the DM community who have talked about their healthcare system and their experiences also over in the PDM there have been discussions on this topic far more heated discussions.

Jeannette - posted on 08/10/2009

I was asking legitimate questions of people who have experience with a system I have never experienced. Am I being negative or inquisitive? I am not against reform...I am just wondering if the federal government taking on the financial burden is a wise choice given the leaps and bounds we have been afforded in medicine. I am curious if countries with socialized medicine already in place offer as much in research, which is how disease gets treated/cured.

I worked with a guy who referred to himself as a military brat. His father was in the military, and therefore he went into the military. He said the schools on military bases in other countries weren't good. Someone stated that the bases were based in low income areas that were lacking, and so the military schools are sought after by the locals. I've heard two versions of this story...experienced versions. I have to say, having a school with money in an area where none of the other schools have money would be attractive and the education may not be the best, but it is good. Fair?

I am sorry that I cannot dive in on the whole nationalized health care without wanting more questions answered. I don't think I've ever been that way...I've always encouraged my children to learn all that you can about a subject.

It is being sold as a package of goods...but they're only talking about the good. And according to just about everyone here, the Republicans are fear mongerers who are spreading lies...so who should I ask about their experience, but the experienced.

I really support health care reform...I just don't know what reform I would like to see the most. Hey Joy, what if we were to hold a vote on it right now, right here? Majority wins! :0)

JL - posted on 08/10/2009

I have to say I have been in the military healthcare system since I was born..heck I have been living the military life since I was born so I have had the government regulating much of my life. They already have access to my bank accounts because they pay military soldiers by directly depositing into our accounts and they also do this whenever I get my taxes back. I have always lived on government owned property..military installations. My life has not suffered in fact in some ways it has been better..take for example education and healthcare. Many military installations are located around lower income towns and cities with school systems that are lacking financially and fundamentally but most military installations have their elementary and middle schools. The extra funding our schools recieve because our schools are part of the federal budget make our elementary and middle schools some of the best. Our schools always have waiting lists for those who live off the military installtion who want to send their kids to our schools. My daughter goes to one of the top ten schools in Georgia and it is a elementary school on a military installation. The healthcare that active duty soldiers and their dependents recieve is pretty good. Yes it is lacking when it comes to vets but just look at Bethesda one of the best hospitals in the US. It is where all of our politicans when they are in DC are treated and this is a military hospital. I have never had to wait over 3 hours in an ER and I have always been able to get an appointment within 2 days and I have access to specialists.

Kerrie - posted on 08/09/2009

Look people, don't you realize we have an unique opportunity here? All of you who think health care reform will put all of our control in the hands of the government don't realize that a lot of the things you use and depend on are "government controlled" anyway! Have any of you gone to a public library? Government controlled! How about called 911? The police, fire, and EMT departments...ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED!!! They are funded by our TAX $$$$'s!! And who controls our taxes? The government!!!! The last time I went to the library, no one there told me I couldn't check out the book I wanted! Calling 911 didn't leave me stranded because they couldn't get the approval from Uncle Sam first!!! For you nay-sayers who like to complain about all the negative aspects of universal health care in other countries, why not rally to insure that those things be rectified in our system? Like I have said before, NO SYSTEM IS PERFECT!! We don't live in an utopian society! Why must this system be perfect when all other systems you live with and deal with, possibly on a daily basis, are flawed? Give me a break!!!!

Kerrie - posted on 08/09/2009

Oh yeah, by the way, my mother, who was in the car accident, was and RN and ONE SEMESTER away from getting her masters degree when the accident happened. Now she spends most of her days sitting in a wheelchair or lying in bed!

Jennifer - posted on 08/09/2009

I only wish we were adopting socialized health care. We are only trying to increase access to health insurance.

I'm a doctor, and my husband doesn't have health care insurance. We applied 4 times to 3 companies with the best looking plans, and he was denied for a pre-exsisting condition. He's a healthy person for now, and I just hope he doesn't get into an accident or get sick.

I'm pregnant, about to be due, and it's all coming out of my pocket. My health care insurance company accepted me, but not for maternity coverage. Good thing I make enough money to afford paying for these costs out of pocket, but it'll still be a stretch.

I'm going to stop working for myself in a few months and start working for a hospital in large part to get my husband insurance. It's pretty ridiculous that the life insurance companies gave us their highest marks (ie we pay the lowest premiums), and we have such problems getting health insurance. I'd pay for good insurance if they would take us, but they've refused over and over.

As far as the medicare/medicaid fraud mentioned in previous posts, it is true that some people doing fraudulent billing. It's especially easy to do fraudulent billing when billing for procedures, which get the most money. However, I think most doctors are trying to bill appropriately, but they often don't document what they did. For example, a doctor can work a very complicated case for 30-40minutes, but if they don't write down enough bullet points (and billing guides actually talk about bullets points) to prove they were working on a complicated case for 30-40min, Medicare/Medicaid will say it's fraud and reduce reimbursement. A complicated case that runs 30-40min, which is 15-25min overtime, and now there are 2-3 patient backed up... how motivated is the doctor to double check all the paperwork to make sure all the bullet points have been hit? Would you even want to go to a doctor who would rather double check their paperwork or rush through it and go see the next person(s) waiting in line?

The system as it is rewards being greedy and doesn't reward those who just want to take care of people.

Elizabeth - posted on 08/09/2009

Thank you! Thank you for your post Alison. It is so refreshing to hear from folks like yourself who have experienced what it is like to live in a country that actually cares about their citizens well-being regardless of their income level! I myself am a health care professional and I work as a contractor for big business. I see first hand every day how the lack of health insurance, or underinsurance in most cases, is detrimental to America's working families. Right now the middle class is being squeezed in this country to the point of breaking. I work for a small business in the health care industry and I cannot afford to save for children's college education. I cannot afford to replace the window's on my 35 year old home that have mold growing on the sides of them. I try to clean them, but I fear it is useless because they leak. I have a $4000 dollar yearly deductable that is crushing. I had a baby last year that ofcourse maxed that out and then had to have work done to prevent another "surprise" baby this year, and a variety of other family medical costs and guess what? I've just about maxed that out again and it is only August. I don't even know when I'll be at a zero balance with the clinic and hospital bills. To top it off? My employer just let us know we are all going to have a 20% hike in this already almost non-existant health insurance for the premium every month. Lovely. Can I go on in my rant? Yes. I am a health care professional. I see as well clinics overtesting and spreading out treatment just to pocket more and more with frivolous testing. I see the problem being so big across the board between the insurance industry and the medical doctors and hospitals and clinics that it appears to be too complex and overwhelming. Thank God we have a president now that is compentant and motivated by all the right reasons to push forward with this change. Change that is coming! Keep up the motivation everyone and we will have a day where people can be free to take care of themselves without going bankrupt! Thanks for listening!

Jeannette - posted on 08/09/2009

For those of you who have lived in countries with socialized medicine...I have a few questions, because I have only lived here in America. Okay, does the government control the costs of the medicine, or do the pharmaceutical companies still get to set their price? Does the government control the price of surgical procedures, or do the surgeons still set their own price? Are you allowed to use any drug that has been proven to work or do you have to go through processes to get a drug that works after proving an old one doesnt? (let me give an example of this last question, because it looks confusing to me, and I know what I'm talking about!) There are doctors who are saying that in Europe macular degeneration can be cured/treated by a drug that is available to Americans currently. However, in Europe the people are not allowed this drug until the patient has proven that they are blind in one eye from macular degeneration and that it is in fact in the other eye before they are allowed the drug that we Americans readily have access to. The reason being is that the drug is so expensive. Also, is dental and vision part of the medical coverage the government provides? Several years ago I was watching 20/20 and people in the UK were going out of country to get dental procedures done, but I cannot remember the reason why. Which is why I was wondering if dental and vision are a part of the system of cvg. Also, in America we have the best cancer treatments on the planet (for children and adults) and people come from all over the world to receive our treatments because we also have the highest cured rate as well. I know that in Galveston, TX there is a UT medical branch that is world renowned and we read about having visitors from Brazil to Ireland, to Canada to receive treatments here. In Houston, TX, again one of the greatest leaders in medical developments....all of this possible because companies had the freedom to research....do the governments of socialized medicine allow this freedom of research? Do they encourage it? How much money goes toward it? Our HIV and AIDS research has been one of the most aggressive in the world, and it would benefit Africa more than us. Why isn't Africa the world's leader in AIDS research? (sorry, I actually know the ans. to that last question--corruption)

We have socialized medicine in medicaid and medicare. The recipients of these coverages have better dental coverage than I do (a federal employee) but I don't know that they are getting the best medical care. Our doctors inflate prices when charging medicaid/care, and they charge for things that have not been done. Doctors have been caught time and time again ordering unnecessary tests for patients because they know medicaid/care will pay. They have to get approval from private ins. companies (which I am not selling as a plus here) before they do tests. They have to state why the tests are necessary...and the ins. co. still may not pay. (which is why our system needs work) You and another person seem to feel very positively about the medical care you received in your countries, and I am curious about the possible negatives as well. I met a girl younger than myself from Canada, she said the wait time was horrendous. That was about 12 years ago..maybe they've improved?

Kerrie - posted on 08/09/2009

Quoting Jenny:

I LOVE Universal Healthcare and I'd fight my butt off to keep it. We're all moms here. How many prenatal exams did you have? Ultrasounds? Amnio? How much did it cost you? How much was hospital stay?

I had all the modern tests available and two ultrasounds. I had a C section with both kids and a tubal ligation. I paid nothing. I have extended benefits through work that I don't pay for that covered my private room even.

Have you ever had to budget for a doctor's visit? I haven't. I had a wart cut off a toe last week in fact.

My mom spent three months in intesive care in a hospital when a brain anuerysm burst at 42 years old. She had two brain surgeries among other treatments done. She didn't pay anything. How much would that have cost in America?

We have never had anyone in our country declare bankrupcty due to health care. Don't listen to the propaganda!

My mom, who lives in America, was in a car accident over 7 years ago that left her in a wheelchair.  Her medical costs were over $1,000,000!  Do you know how much of that she had to pay?  ALL OF IT!!! She suied the trucking company whose driver was responsible for the accident, but over HALF of her settlement went to medical bills!  Now, she can't work, needs constant at home care and doesn't have the $$ she should have to take care of her needs for the rest of her life simply because of the medical bills that were piled high!  What is she going to do once the little bit of $$ she has left runs out and she still needs care?  She need this reform if no one else does!!!!!

Kerrie - posted on 08/09/2009

Quoting Alison:

Look out for the negative health reform campaigns

As Obama racks up his campaign to fight inequality in this country we will begin to see the type of scare-tactics driven by Republican money to try to dismantle all that Obama and the Democrats are attempting to do. I was born and grew up in Scotland until I was 20. I lived in Canada for 17 years where I had three children and I certainly know both of these "socialized" systems very well. Despite what you may hear in the media over the next few months, believe me you will not hear one "Canadian" actor or "British" actor stand up and say that there are people in their country who cannot afford to see a doctor. Because this would be simply untrue. And is that not the point in this country? That many simply cannot afford to visit a doctor. As regards cost, a recent article in the Economist cited the US as THE country that spends the most per capita on Health Care (more than Canada, more than Britain) and yet the US has a sub-standard system in that only those of means may participate. Canadians pay 30% income tax to the government, no more than we do here when I look at the deductions from my paycheck. The trouble is that insurance companies are for-profit business machines who reap the reward of high costs and ineffiecient spending. Obama has a difficult task ahead in unravelling all the mistakes of the past and correcting inefficiencies. This is not something that can be accomplished overnight. Regardless of your political persuasion, he deserves recognition for having the guts to take this on - something the Republicans have always been afraid to do. Their fear-mongering is nothing more than "more of the same" - their reason for their ineffectiveness, their short-sighted-ness and at best their paralysis of the past.

THANK YOU Alison!!!

Rachael - posted on 08/02/2009

When I was 10 weeks pregnant I was laid off (my son is now six months old). The healthcare coverage thru my husbands job was just too expensive so I had to continue coverage thru COBRA ($432/month) because my husband makes too much for me to qualify for any assistance. The further along in my pregnancy I got the harder it was to get callbacks on interviews. My husband and I decided the best move for us was for me to just stay hime with our son instead of me taking a job that would just end up paying daycare costs. Right now I pay about $200 a month for private healthcare for my son. For my son to be covered under my husbands plan at work it would be about $600/month, something we simply can't afford. I do not have healthcare coverage, my husband has no healthcare coverage. He works hard, I work hard. I am so glad, proud and touched that finally we have a president who wants to work hard so my family can have the coverage that we need and frankly I believe we deserve.

Jenny - posted on 07/23/2009

Probably but nothing in my immediate family to my knowledge. =)

Alison - posted on 07/23/2009

Jenny I knew a guy who ran for the NDP his name was Helmut Giesbrecht - great guy - any connection?

Jenny - posted on 07/23/2009

I live in Canada. and have been paying attention to how they have been trying to demonize our system. Yes, waits can be a little longer but that's what happebns when you share. People are seen by priority of their cases but EVERYONE will get in. I don't know very many Canadians who would ever switch to user pay and most who would are rich!

Alison - posted on 07/23/2009

Jenny your comments are important - where do you live?

ME - posted on 07/22/2009

I just listened to Pres. Obama's press conference on Health Care reform, and I have to admit, I honestly don't see anything to argue with...what's so scary about what he's proposing???

JL - posted on 07/22/2009

Right on, but unfortunatly too many people are falling prey to the scare tactics being made by Republicans who are not worried about spending but are setting out to make Obama look bad at the expense of the American people just so they can win some elections and gain back some power. I am a military spouse so I already belong to a small scale version of universal healthcare and I will proudly stand up and say that my health care is great!

Jenny - posted on 07/22/2009

I LOVE Universal Healthcare and I'd fight my butt off to keep it. We're all moms here. How many prenatal exams did you have? Ultrasounds? Amnio? How much did it cost you? How much was hospital stay?



I had all the modern tests available and two ultrasounds. I had a C section with both kids and a tubal ligation. I paid nothing. I have extended benefits through work that I don't pay for that covered my private room even.



Have you ever had to budget for a doctor's visit? I haven't. I had a wart cut off a toe last week in fact.



My mom spent three months in intesive care in a hospital when a brain anuerysm burst at 42 years old. She had two brain surgeries among other treatments done. She didn't pay anything. How much would that have cost in America?



We have never had anyone in our country declare bankrupcty due to health care. Don't listen to the propaganda!

ME - posted on 07/22/2009

If more people like you, who have "survived" a socialized health care system would stand up and proclaim their support for it, maybe the masses would not be so easily swayed by the rhetoric of fear bandied about by the Republicans and conservative dems...I've been an advocate of health care reform since Mrs. Clinton attempted it in 1994 (??), and I pray that it passes this time. Thank you for your input, and keep telling it how it is...some of us ARE listening and receptive!!!

Sara - posted on 07/22/2009

Go girl!!!