A "debate"

Jo - posted on 12/04/2010

If we all agree'd or didn't talk to each other cause we didn't agree... I'm pretty sure this whole forum would have died about an hour after it started lol

Barb - posted on 12/04/2010

Emma, i think that really sums this all up in a nutshell

Stifler's - posted on 12/04/2010

I LIKE hearing everyone's opinion. Don't always agree but who cares doesn't mean I dislike the person at all or can't agree with them on another topic.

Kelly - posted on 12/02/2010

Glad ya like the quote.

Another quote of mine. "Knowledge is a gift that can never be taken away. It also is Power, but without the Wisdom to use said knowledge, the knowledge and power doesn't benefit you."

Sandra - posted on 12/02/2010

I like the assuming quote Kelly... My fav is "Do you know what it is to assume? It's making an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'."

Kelly - posted on 12/02/2010

I think the simplest way to sum up the brand name issue is this. -If- a person opens up their own company, has the copywrights, rights, patents, etc, and everything involved in their products or services they sell, it is a brand name. Some like Fubu, Aeropostle, and Nike, are just more -popular- and well known than others. There's too darn many to name. -Ever-. The 'name' (aka Nike, Reekbok, w/e) advertises the company/business. If Garanimals, for instance, made clothes and didn't put their name on them, we wouldn't know who was selling it.



There are countless numbers of companies and businesses (great or small), and each person or individual's involved has the 'say so' over his/her/their product(s).



Pricing things is a choice and of course laws and regulations have to be adhered too; tax laws and whatnot. I'm not a business expert, just a consumer like many others. I don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes at these companies.



-Whatever- brands you buy, that's one's -choice-. Simple as that. Each person has their own income, likes, dislikes, preferences, etc. Some folks can afford Gucci, and Prada, others cannot.



I agree with Toni and Loureen, completely. Assumptions lead to possible disasters. Makes one feel miserable later.



My Fave Quote (just made up): "Take -uming off of Assuming. This is what one sounds like when being foolish." (Please do -NOT- take my quotes for your own. They didn't come from your mind, but mine.)



Helpful friendly tip: Text on a screen won't hurt you unless you allow it too. Sometimes the truth may be painful, but if one takes things too seriously, perhaps they ought to get away from the PC for a while and take a break. Always a good idea. :)



Indeed, Joy. Everyone won't play nice all of the time. You can't please people all of the time, or even sometimes.



Some folks simply can't be pleased. Sorry if I've repeated anything, but sometimes it's just plain hard to please people, no matter what.



It's TEXT, on a SCREEN, don't let words hurt ya (at least not for too long), if ya do, you'll be miserable and in a bad mood from hours up to days.

April - posted on 12/01/2010

It doesn't bother me when someone is rude or takes something personally. everyone presents information differently and some people truly don't understand how to debate. Debating does require skill...not everyone is good at it. In my own experience, debating was something I had to learn how to do. I had to learn how to think on my toes and I had to learn how to find the research on the internet (and not be lazy about it..hehe)

Joy - posted on 12/01/2010

Kati, you ALWAYS make sense. Or maybe it's just that I'm fluent in "Kati" lol ♥

I think a LOT of what goes on here (on CoM's) has more to do with not having the luxury of being face to face with people. Our body language when we speak says volumes more than our words do at times. So without the body language, tone of voice, etc....things get taken out of context quite a lot and misunderstood. Then there are the girls who type the way they talk, but sometimes they may be speaking in broken English and then THAT comes accross unintentionally harsh or is misunderstood. Then you toss into the mix that we all have different levels of bitchy (yes, sometimes bitchy lol) personalities, PMS, post pardum, pregnancy hormones and it turns into a big icky stew of "OH HELL NO SHE DIDN'T" lol
On the other side of the spectrum you have girls on here that are just downright rude and think that any other way but THEIR way is wrong and they don't hesitate to let us all know exactly how they feel. Disagree with them in the slightest and sit back and wait for the insults and underhanded remarks. You will never change their minds or get them to see the other side of any topic. Why would they? They're perfect.

Luckily, in my two-ish plus years (off and on) on CoM's, that last group is a small group, a very small handfull of the spectrum. And that's a good thing or my monitor would have had a keyboard shaped hole in it long ago lol

Rosie - posted on 12/01/2010

i completely agree amber. when i was first on here i was like WHAT THE FUCK!!?? after a while the same people i was questioning were the ones that i've developed some nice friendships with! ♥ i'm very much for circumcision, and after my first debate about it i was ready to go ape shit on some people, lol! after many, many, MANY debates on that very topic, i've just learned the way they feel and their feelings, and respect that. i think they've learned to respect my view (as much as they can) on it, and it's just a non issue for me anymore. when someone new comes into the situation, they might not like what i say, or what other people have to say and get all pissy cause they aren't used to the way each individual woman is here. IDK, am i making sense?lol?

Sunshine - posted on 12/01/2010

Okay After I posted my response I read EVERYONES COMMENTS, LOL

LEMME just say you ALL had me cracking up :P

Amber - posted on 12/01/2010

To some degree I think that some people go overboard...but not often, and I don't think intentionally either.
We all live in different parts of the world...and sometimes you say something that wouldn't upset anybody that you know, but it sure gets somebody on here riled up :)
I've been on here for a couple years now, and the first couple of months I did take things personally. But then you get to know people a little better and you start to understand their comments and their humor; this definitely makes it easier to not get your feelings hurt.
And quite honestly, some people really need to grow a thicker skin. Not everybody is bashing you, and sometimes things are thought to be mean when there was no malice intended.

Sunshine - posted on 12/01/2010

Im not fully new to this forum but I don't comment much b/c last time that I did I tried to voice my opinion on the topic & everyone & their mom bashed me up & down.. SO I just left & didn't come back for awhile.. I am careful where I post now.. I don't think its fair to voice my opinion & cussed up & down for it I didn't do anything wrong.
I just wish I could come in here & say what I feel I don't come on here and bash no one or call any one names.. Not what I come in here for I try to help give advice not down anyone.

Jo - posted on 12/01/2010

I've been told to shut up for many reasons before but this one is by far the most funny and nicest reasons lmao

maybe if I post again... all the options will come back :p

Barb - posted on 12/01/2010

Jodi, don't talk anymore, each time you do another option goes away, now all that is left is "block member" LOL oh crap!

Jo - posted on 12/01/2010

lol yea I think the options at the top above the persons name will depend on the persons privacy settings as well as COM's pickiness at the moment.

I've noticed that when messaging Joy - sometimes the "send message" option is above her name, other times I have to go into her profile to do it. COM has bitchy moments too I guess lol

Barb - posted on 12/01/2010

That's funny i never noticed those before.. wow talk about none so blind as she who will not see LOL However some are different, like Joy has "add to inner circle, send message, block member" and then the two icons next to her picture that show how many posts she's made and how many are in her circle.

But Jodi, you just have "send message, block sender" the compliment buttons are at the bottom, the "helpful/nice/funny/encouraging" that everyone has.

I see the "inbox" is lit up now I'm so excited to see what is in it!!

Thank you so much for your help.

Jo - posted on 12/01/2010

I think the different things it says above people's name vary depending on the persons privacy settings :)

Above your name, Joy, there is only Add to Circle & Block member, but if I go to your profile, send message is there.

Joy - posted on 12/01/2010

Doh! Didn't read Jodi's last paragraph about the inbox thing....I totally didn't see it lol How does one miss an entire paragraph??? LOL

Joy - posted on 12/01/2010

Jodi, above your picture on that last post you just did, all it says is Send Message, Block Member. I usually send messages that way. And Barb, if you have any messages that people have sent you, they will show at the top of any page on CoM's. Top right hand corner, under your name, "Inbox" will be red and show how many messages you have.

Jo - posted on 12/01/2010

Above the name of the poster there should be a "compliment" "add to circle" "send message" and "block member" button.



You just go to a post of whoever you want to send a message too, and click on the "send message" button, a window will pop up and you can send your message!



Or you can go directly to their profile by clicking their name and underneath their profile picture there should be a send message option there :)



As for checking messages - at the top right of your page there should be your name and your profile picture with Inbox (0), Help, Settings, Logout. Sometimes I find that my Inbox won't actually tell me if I have a PM so I just click on it randomly to see if there's anything in there :p

Barb - posted on 12/01/2010

Well, to jump it a little more off topic. How do you send a PM? I see it doesn't look like they are looked upon too favorably, but there have been times when i've wanted to ask an off topic question or let someone know something without it being part of the whole debate.



Like for example letting Joy know how much i appreciated her condolences for Aunt Boppy but that I was happy that Aunt Boppy left because her mind and spirit were just too big for her small frail, failing body.

I just would have rather said that in pvt.



Edited to add: or even worse, how do you know if you have a PM? LOL , what if i have a bunch and don't even know it?! hahahaha Probably a whole group of people thinking i'm a snarky stuck up bitch for not returning their PM's now

Isobel - posted on 12/01/2010

we need an awesome button Dmak!

Chatty - posted on 12/01/2010

Hannah, all I can tell you is that I know EXACTLY how you feel and I'm sure everyone has gone or will go through those feelings at some point but I have formed some WONDERFUL friendships here. Like everything in life, we need to take the good with the bad.

Let's make lemonade, shall we?!!! ;) ;)

Chatty - posted on 12/01/2010

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Right back atcha, Loureen!

Joy - posted on 12/01/2010

Loureen, I totally just copied and pasted that into my FB status lol

Christina - posted on 12/01/2010

lol, this has gotten so off track, like usual. Maybe we need a trash thread, lol.

Sherri - posted on 12/01/2010

The only time I send a pm is if something has gone so completely off topic on the op that it would be better to be taken privately to get the op back on topic.

Sherri - posted on 12/01/2010

So hmmmm who would have thought I would have started an unintentional debate???? Thanks for the support ladies.

Hannah - posted on 12/01/2010

ok, if i may be honest with ya'll about something....I havent been on COM boards that long but I have been thinking about leaving, Im just not 100% sure yet. It just seems like there are a lot of catty people here and it seems like a lot of people just like to complain about stuff that they see their friends do or they dont agree with someone so they tear them down....and its getting a bit old...idk, am I the only one that feels like this? i mean i love the idea of a forum for moms because I feel like there are so many benefits but its just so catty sometimes as i said before...ugh

ok, im done with my rant, i think i need my coffee ;)

Toni - posted on 12/01/2010

Hey, at least you guys get PM's from people your debating with, I got a PM from a complete random telling me that I should tell people to split up from their partners and not try to work things out and talk things over - at least the actual OP thought I was helpful.

It kinda makes me laugh when I get nasty PM's I just think wow how mature...

Meghan bring it on ;-)

Jodi - posted on 12/01/2010

Oh Loureen, I need to borrow that.

Charlie - posted on 11/30/2010

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Meghan - posted on 11/30/2010

I am sending you ALL pm's next time I disagree with you!

Kate CP - posted on 11/30/2010

If I get a PM I just respond with "Well, bully for you. Don't message me again" and I block the bitch. :P

Jo - posted on 11/30/2010

I don't do PM's either, in fact, if someone sends me a nasty PM, I will copy, paste & post the PM in the thread that the PM originated from. If someone wants to try and talk shit to me in private, they can talk shit to me where everyone can see - 99.9% of the time, I won't actually respond to the PM, I will tell them that I don't do PM's and that I don't appreciate their behavior being bottled up and sent to my inbox though lol

Jodi - posted on 11/30/2010

Exactly!!!

Charlie - posted on 11/30/2010

Hey if you don't have the balls to say it public just don't say it , I won't respond to PM's either if their purpose is to continue a debate in private , once it is over the debate is over , move on .

Nikkole - posted on 11/30/2010

LOL Well said Jodi and Joy! Yea i just told the girl im to mature to argue with you in private if you have a problem talk to me on the discussion! :)

Jodi - posted on 11/30/2010

Personally, I don't do PMs. So if anyone here has a bitch about anything I say and sends me a PM about it, don't expect me to respond by PM. If you have something to say that is about a topic on which I voice an opinion, if it is on topic, keep it in the discussion. If it is off topic and an outright whine and bitch, then really, you need to grow up.

Just my opinion :)

Joy - posted on 11/30/2010

Yeah, Nikkole, I've had that same thing happen to me recently in a PM here on CoM's. Isn't it nice to be "scolded" in private, where no one can see? LOL A bit childish is right.

Nikkole - posted on 11/30/2010

I dont take it personal when people get heated its a debate people get upset sometiems i understand but i answered a question someone had on here once and i just stated my opinion and what my family does and i wasnt rude or assuming anything she did or does and she sent me a message saying how i was rude and needed to grow up and all this other crap now thats where i think it goes a little to far i dont agree with that i think that is a bit childish!

Kate CP - posted on 11/30/2010

Okay, obviously the words "fact" and "opinion" have been confused here. These are not the same thing. These words are not interchangeable.

A fact is a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.

An opinion is a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.

THIS IS AN OPINION: Piercing an infants ears is stupid and barbaric.

Chatty - posted on 11/30/2010

I vote for world peace! ;)

Rosie - posted on 11/30/2010

i was trying to be funny...just realized it looked kinda bitchy. sorry, that's not how i meant it!! :)

Rosie - posted on 11/30/2010

it doesn't help guys, in fact it does the opposite. so keep on biting your lip loureen!! :)

Charlie - posted on 11/30/2010

*biting her lip *

Isobel - posted on 11/30/2010

I'm sure all those who believe in female circumcision would thank you for no longer using the term fgm then ;)

Hannah - posted on 11/30/2010

Christina, I couldnt agree with you more... Well said!

Chatty - posted on 11/30/2010

Even if it's just your opinion....that's fine, but you have to expect people to challenge it. If your response is based on experience that's fine too but you can't take it personally when someone attacks your credibility. I can be a bitch sometimes and others are overly sensitive. We need to meet somewhere in the middle.

Charlie - posted on 11/30/2010

The thing is a persons view of debate is always going to be in part their opinion , mainly their opinion backed with facts and reason why they believe the way they do .