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Christina - posted on 08/07/2011 ( 312 moms have responded )

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I read all the time about how circumcisions should not be done because it is NOT your body, ect.
For those who are anti-circ and also against parents being allowed to make the decision for their children, are you also against abortion?
Yes, it is the woman's body who is going through the pregnancy, but it is the fetus's body who is being destroyed, which is not your body.

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Jodi - posted on 08/14/2011

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Quoting Brandi:
" I dont push my beliefs and opinions on people therfore I dont want other's pushed on me."

Ironically, you ARE pushing your beliefs and opinions on someone else the minute you decide to circumcise your baby boy.

Krista - posted on 08/14/2011

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Brandi, the reason why so many of us can't be "live and let live" about this, is because we see it as a human rights issue.

I can no more say, "Do what you want" when it comes to routine infant circumcision than I could say "Do what you want" if some mother decided to lop off her infant's earlobes, just because she thought it looked nicer. I (and the others) see it as an unnecessary violation of an infant's body...one that the mother SHOULD NOT have the right to do.

And it is not just a tiny bit of skin. It has a plethora of nerve endings, mucosal layers, etc. It has an actual function. The fact that you're pro-circ, but that you don't even understand the basic function of the foreskin...well, it saddens me. It shows me that you did not make an informed decision.

And as far as your analogy to webbed fingers or toes? It's a faulty analogy. Why? Because fingers and toes are not supposed to be webbed. It is a deviation from the norm. But an uncircumcised penis IS the norm. It alarms and depresses me that so many pro-circ mothers talk about the foreskin like it is a birth defect. Un-circ'd is how the penis is SUPPOSED to be.

Kate CP - posted on 08/08/2011

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"Thats fine... I have shown (when smaller) and instructed my son on how to wash properly... does that mean I wholeheartedly 100% believe that he does it the way I have said to? No. I tell my son to clean his room, tell him how I would like it to be cleaned... does he do it that way, nope. You can try to teach your kids anything you want... doesnt mean they will always listen..."

This is where consequences to actions come into play. If he doesn't wash properly he will get an infection. Same thing with little girls: if they don't wash properly or wipe the wrong way they'll get an infection. We don't encourage female circumcision because we drive home to our girls how important cleanliness is. But we seem to be willing to slack off and be lazy about it with boys and use the excuse that they're just dirtier or I guess too stupid to understand how to clean themselves. It's sexist, it's a double standard, and it sucks.

We scream and cry that girls are just as good as boys...why can't boys be just as good as girls?

Jenni - posted on 10/06/2011

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Sara D- Absolutely! That's why approximately 70-80% of newborn boys in Canada do *not* under go RIC. ;)



It is quickly and steadily becoming an outdated practice.

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Oh and I am a mom of 2 girls and 1 intact boy. And I can tell you it is 50x harder to clean my girls! Their diaper changes took (take) about 5-10 mins longer than my son who is intact.



We have never had an issue with him being intact. I do not have to clean his penis any differently than I would a circ'd penis. It did retract for a week and reattached around his 3rd birthday. But ummm, it wasn't a big deal. I just showed him how to retract it and wash it with a soapy wash cloth while he was bathing. Uh, it's not that hard even if they *do* retract early. But yup, it reattached after a week and has stayed that way since. Like the other ladies have said. It is *absolutely* NO DIFFERENT than reminding my SD to wipe front to back. Circ'd boys wash their penis and intact boys have one extra step; pull it back and wash their penis.



And the whole argument about; well some boys aren't as hygienic as others and could suffer recurring UTI's as a result is kinda a stupid argument. I'm pretty sure after getting 1 UTI as a result of not being hygienic, is enough incentive to pay closer attention to hygiene.



Virtually, every boy/man in our family is intact. My mom even opted out of circing my brother back in the 80's because she felt it was unnecessary. Even though his dad was. wow. they don't have to match!



Nobody I know have trouble with recurring infections. Other than my husband when he was a teen, but guess what? It was because he had Chrone's Disease not because he was intact. An operation for his Chrone's Disease cured his R. UTI's where a removal of his foreskin wouldn't have. Even if men get infections they don't get more than a couple in a lifetime. (both circd and intact because contrary to what some might think, being circ'd isn't a get-out-of-infections free card). Same as women. Big deal, I've had a UTI... I took a damn antibiotic and it went away! Imagine that? You know they actually have an antibiotic for UTI's now that you only have to take 1 pill?



We don't do routine tonsil removal at birth for fear of tonsillitis. We don't routinely remove the appendix for fear of appendicitis. Because contrary to popular belief these organs *do* serve a purpose... much like the foreskin.



I will not mutilate my children's genitalia for reasons of vanity, unfounded fear of infections or any other reason short of *actual* medical complications.

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Hold the phone! (My mommy brain is slow). So circumcision is not covered in Canada because it's an elective procedure. If it's elective then it's not medically necessary. If it's not medically necessary then why have it done? For looks? Just because? I'm confused now because I thought Katherine's whole argument was because it was "healthier."

If your country's healthcare won't cover it because it's elective then wouldn't that make you think it's not needed?

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Merry - posted on 10/08/2011

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Yes! The balls are always the worst! Poop gets all in those tiny crevises and they keep switching between floppy and scrunched up. Lol I too asked my husband all concerned when erics were all loose and floppy one day. And now it's even harder cuz when I try to wipe his balls he thinks I'm going to touch his penis so he starts in on the owie mom a no no touch ogling all over getting poop everywhere. *sigh*

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I know Dyan and they have creases! Sometimes too they're all firm and sometimes they're all floppy. LOL! I'll never forget when my son was a baby and I was used to his testicles being all firm and the next day they were all flat. I called my husband in hysterics to come look at our son and he laughed SOOO hard at me.

I'm a girl, how was I to know that balls did things like that?

Rosie - posted on 10/08/2011

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i've always found the balls the hardest part to clean, lmao! they get all stretchy, and thin in areas, and those damn testicles keep rolling around! ;P

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I promised to post the prices of Circumcisions in NY. The insurance rates for inpatient start at $187 and outpatient at $400. So it's really no shock to me that doctors push it.

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My boys are both intact and 2 of my nephews are circ'd and I have always had more trouble cleaning my nephews.
Everything Jenni said is exactly how I think as well. So next time you are going to get your baby boy circ'd then how about you remove the tonsils and appendix while your at it?

Jenni - posted on 10/06/2011

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My son's doctor told me to retract it!!!

Luckily, my husband knew better or I might have done it!

Isobel - posted on 10/06/2011

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The ONLY time I have ever heard of an intact boy having any "infections" it's been because the mother was retracting the foreskin.



I can't believe that there are doctors out there still telling women to do this...it's horrible advice. The intact penis require NO EXTRA CLEANING...in fact, it needs less because it hasn't been cut and therefore holds little to no risk of infection UNLIKE the circumcised penis.



By the time the foreskin needs to be cleaned any differently than a circed penis, your son will be not only old enough to do it himself...if you give him some soap you may have trouble getting him to stop "cleaning" it. ;P

Minnie - posted on 10/05/2011

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I watch a little boy and he's intact. Now after wiping poopy girl bottoms for the last five years I wiped him and was taken aback.

What? Where IS everything? Nothing to get poo stuck ANYWHERE? Everything's gone!

That was the first time I ever changed a boy's diaper. Honestly, I never have before. And I seriously cannot grasp what the fuss is about.

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"ng this route in our discussion makes me think back to this child i was working with, 4 years old, in diapers still, pooped and when i changed him had a huge ball of poop in the tip of his penis under his foreskin......not pleasent!!!!!! "

HOnestly the worst for me was changing friend's daughter's diaper. I could not believe how much poo went in EVERYTHING.

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"lol yup its tough work. I honestly wouldn't know though b/c i have all girls. I have only heard that uncircumcised boys/men have a higher chance of getting infections. Dont hate b/c I only stated my opnion before reading other posts"

Seriously I find this whole new trend of using the word "hating" incorrectly. Please point out exacty what was hateful in the post you're objecting to. I certainly couldn't find it. She was pointing out some facts in the thread. Sheesh. That's not hating. If she called you a name, that would indeed be hateful.

I think the whole "don't be hating" phrase is incredibly dismissive.

April - posted on 10/05/2011

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to tackle the abortion aspect of the OP, i am pro choice for everyone but myself. i do struggle a lot with accepting that some people do abort for non medical reasons. i do think fetuses are beings that should have more rights than they do. now back to circumcision: it's pointless, causes pain, doesn't make son look like daddy, and one day circ'd men will be in the minority. circumcision also doesn't protect men from STDs and circumcised males can still get UTIs/other infections. The person who benefits most from the surgery is the doctor who was paid to perform the procedure. It is okay to change your mind about circumcising without having to feel guilty about having done your first son...I did! One need not argue for argument's sake. It's time to admit that there is no good reason for circumcising!

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I just wiped pooped out of my daughter's vagina about 2 hours ago (for the millionith time in her life). Vaginas are insanely difficut to clean. We're working on potty training and it seems easier to her to wipe back to front. So I have to take the time to teach her how to wipe. And when she poops I have to take the time to make sure it's cleaned out of all her folds. Girls are so much more work when it comes to hygeine down there. An intact boy would be a breeze-wipe and then do nothing but give the kid a bath until the foreskin retracts on it's own (average I read was 3-7 years).

April - posted on 10/05/2011

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i have a boy, but i HAVE changed a girl's diaper before. let me tell you, cleaning up a boy is a heck of a lot easier! i think i spent a good 10 minutes making sure every speck of poo was wiped vs. the 10 seconds it ever took me to clean my boy. it takes all of about 3 seconds to clean an uncirc'd penis, although mine son IS circumcised. Wishing I hadn't done it though. I feel bad. I won't be doing it for any future sons.

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Why are the circ's so ignorant? There is NO reason that a boy should be circ'd as a baby. Only 1 reason why any man should ever be circ'd and that's due to complications. Open your eyes up and start thinking of what's best for your child NOT you!!

Merry - posted on 10/05/2011

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And some don't retract til 18 years!

I get it, you chose this for your son, you havent had any problems with it, you're going to defend your choice til the end of times unless your son or a boy you know and love goes through trauma due to a routine circ.
I guess no one can learn new things until they do it the hard way.
It seems it takes a son suffering for moms and dads to give up this ancient tradition of cutting off body parts.

Katherine, what do you honestly think of my sons situation? Was i an incompetent mother who 'let' it reattach? Was my dr a bad dr to 'let' it reattach and to instruct me to fix it? Or maybe it's my obgyns fault, maybe she messed up? I get the feeling you think someone somewhere in erics life did something wrong to cause his trauma with circ and since you and your drs are doing it right your son is safe.
That's not true! I highly doubt my obgyn had any less training then yours, and I sure followed every piece of advise to the letter while caring for erics circ.

The point it all comes down to is circumcision is cosmetic surgery at worst and preventative surgery at best.
Either way it's retarded because WHY dear God are we putting newborns through surgery to possibly prevent a few minor inconveniences in their future that they may or may not encounter!

So yeah defend it til your blue in the face but I hope somehow it's sinking in that this is a pointless risk for the infants of the world and most of the world knows this and wouldn't put their babies through it.

Minnie - posted on 10/05/2011

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lol yup its tough work. I honestly wouldn't know though b/c i have all girls.

If you can't even fathom the idea of teaching a boy self-hygiene how in the world have you managed with girls?

I've got two. Girls have loads of folds boys don't have, and they have MUCH more opportunity to develop an infection. Oh! And I had to take the time to teach them to wipe properly. We all know what can happen if you wipe back to front!

And you know? I really don't think I lost a huge amount of my life teaching them that.

had a huge ball of poop in the tip of his penis under his foreskin......not pleasent!!!!!!

Mothers of daughters? Show of hands- who has, while changing a poopy diaper found poo smushed into the labia and surrounding the vaginal opening? Anyone? Oh, it's normal and you had to wipe it, no big deal? Hmmmm....

Katherine - posted on 10/05/2011

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Going this route in our discussion makes me think back to this child i was working with, 4 years old, in diapers still, pooped and when i changed him had a huge ball of poop in the tip of his penis under his foreskin......not pleasent!!!!!!

Katherine - posted on 10/05/2011

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Your right laura I'm not an expert, but neither are you!! All that I've read says that some children retract in the infant months, some in the toddler years, some as preschoolers, yes some children do retract earlier then others, some dont, some need medical attention to help it, but it happens when it's ready!!!

So glad i don't have to deal with that!!!!!

Merry - posted on 10/05/2011

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No disrespect but I doubt you are an expert on intact penises. Everything ice read says 4-18 years. Is average. I can find references.

Katherine - posted on 10/05/2011

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Some children's forskins do loosen on their own before age 3, some in their infant months, some during the toddler years and some even later

Merry - posted on 10/05/2011

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Donna at 2 years that boy shouldn't have been even able to retract his foreskin it's fussed to the penis!
So if he had infections it was because someone damaged his penis by pulling back the foreskin.

Katherine - posted on 10/05/2011

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Def had to pay for circ'ing not quite the $400 you were quoated Jenni, but for none elecitive all fees are covered for the most part (other then the basic regular travel shots etc).

@Donna, I had my little guy circ'd, I'm happy I had it done, I hear about other moms wishing they had of done it when their son was a baby........and i've had a friend who had to get it done at 18, not what i would want for my little man!!! He'll never remember it

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Eh who's hating? I was only making a point...seriously being hygienic is a much better way to prevent infections than circ'ing, as long as we teach our children to wash regularly they will have a very small chance of getting infections and if they do get one a short course of antibiotics will clear it up. I honestly cannot see the logic in performing surgery for a might one day case, really circ is a last resort for solving infections and uti's or it should be.



I truly hope if you do have any further children and that child is male you do some true research into how unnecessary circ is and don't just listen to word of mouth as there is so much incorrect information floating around...look at countries like the uk and aus where circ numbers are low and see that many of the things the so called doctors claim circ is necessary for aren't true.

Donna - posted on 10/05/2011

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lol yup its tough work. I honestly wouldn't know though b/c i have all girls. I have only heard that uncircumcised boys/men have a higher chance of getting infections. Dont hate b/c I only stated my opnion before reading other posts.

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Donna have you read any of this thread? How many times does it need pointing out that in countries where circ is low the men don't have infections often if at all. Your friends kid is a rare case not the rule!



What is there to keep up on....hygiene? As long as we as mums teach our kids to wash properly (the foreskin should not be retracted until it can naturally be retracted) there isn't a problem, but I'm sorry if the thought of teaching hygiene is such hard work for you!

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id get a circumcision done if i had a boy. they lead to infections if not kept up on, and my one co worker had to have her 2 yr old son get one b c he kept getting utis

Merry - posted on 10/05/2011

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This site says Canada rates are much lower.....


The Canadian Institute for Health Information, which in 1994 took over the national Hospital Database from Statistics Canada, reports that in fiscal 1996/97, circumcision was performed as a primary procedure on about 20 percent of Canadian male neonates, however by 2005, this had declined to 9.2 percent, which brings the genital integrity rate up to 90.8 percent.


Not sure which is right but either way, the majority in canada is intact.

Jenni - posted on 10/05/2011

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The Public Health Agency of Canada reported the average rate of circumcision overall (for all of Canada) is 31.9% of newborn boys in 2006-2007. Steadily, on the decline.

Rates by province are anywhere from 44.3% in Alberta (the highest) to 6.8% in the NWT (the lowest).

Jenni - posted on 10/05/2011

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Umm. I live in Ontario, Canada. It's not free here. I think I recall the sign in the OBGYN office quoting it at $400?



Circumcision is not covered by insurance in Canada at all because it is an elective surgery. BC was the first to not cover it in 1984. All the rest of the provinces by 2004 except for Manitoba. But it is now considered an elective procedure there as well, not clear on the date that became effective.



But yeah.. not covered anywhere in Canada any longer because elective procedures are not covered by UHC and most insurance companies.

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"I forgot you was in Canada, most people who argue so strongly for circ are American, but just because you have universal healthcare (as we do) it doesn't mean doctors are not money orientated, they still have budgets and quotas to meet.
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Very true. I have the CPT for routine infant mutil...no circumcision and will post costs from the US tonight. At least I will really try to. I'm exhausted this morning and it's a 10 hour day today at work. (YAY - MEDICARE SEASON....YAWN)

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Ok I can see why you put all this blind faith into this doctor, I would be very inclined to believe and trust a doctor whom I knew on a personal level too. I still feel he is either improperly educated on circ or is a complete idiot...as I have said we don't routinely circ I the uk and men are not unclean here, they are not running around with uti's and living on antibiotics, they are more than capable of cleaning themselves properly.

I forgot you was in Canada, most people who argue so strongly for circ are American, but just because you have universal healthcare (as we do) it doesn't mean doctors are not money orientated, they still have budgets and quotas to meet.

I stick with my earlier thoughts you are biased about your doctor and his out dated opinions, but I'm not asking you to take my word for it do some research yourself, look at countries where circ rates are low (like the uk and aus), look at why they are low, don't just take one guys word for it because it should concern you that he laughed at his sons side effect of circa as if he can laugh at his son what would he do if one of your children had an issue?

Katherine - posted on 10/04/2011

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@Toni....actually we do socialize outside of the office, I have worked with him before becoming his patient and were friends before he became a doctor...do i trust him with my life, yes, my husbands life, yes, my sons life, yes i do!!!

I believe him more over then anything i read online, most of it's crap anyways!!!!

I also don't pay for a doctor, I live in Canada, where it's FREE!!!!! If i had to pay for medical care I think i would be relocating, our doctors treat us a patients, family, friends, never just looking at us as a paycheck. yes they get paid but the gov does that. my doctor makes exceptions for us, those things that do need to be paid for out of pocket he covers for us so we don't have to. hes fantastic and has a 400+ wait list....thats what you call a great doc

Merry - posted on 10/04/2011

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"I'm sorry you are going through this, but you have to think, your the one who signed up for it, you didn't know that it would happen to your child, hell it could happen to my son, but theres no damn way i'd be ripping skin from skin on my sons penis, i'd be getting him back in to the surgen and having him put local anesthetic there and getting it resnipped. no questions!!!!"



Would you do general anesthesia where they take your baby from you into a surgery room? It's not an easy decision. And when my dr said ripping it back was no big deal. He didn't even mention an option of a repeat surgery.

He said reattachment, means rip it back.

That's what I was told by 2 drs. One male one female.

They both offered to do it for me but I couldn't let them do it to him. I went home and did it slowly over a few weeks just a tiny bit at a time so he was easier to calm and distract after. At the drs office they would have made me hold him down and ripped the whole way around at once, so it took me like 7-8 pulls to get all the way around so they would have done that all at once? No way. I couldn't hold him down for that.

There's NO good option. Except not circumcising in the first place.

Merry - posted on 10/04/2011

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Yes Sara, my options are and were to rip it back myself, to let the dr do it, or to put him u der general anesthesia and have it recut.
The reattachment was all around the ENTIRE head of his penis. With three small pinholes that were oozing smegma and red swollen and inflamed.
Steroid cream didn't help one bit.
The dr said it was 'no big deal' to just pull it back. 'Just a quick snap like a bandaid' he said.

Now that erics over 2 years I'm not touching it anymore, he's too old for me to be able to do it again. Each reattachment was lower and lower on the head so this 5th time is just above the ridge so unless it gets red swollen or oozy again I'm leaving it alone.
Yes drs have all told me this is a 'common and minor side effect'
And I call bullshit.
I have never sworn on CoM but I think this is an appropriate time.
Reattachments are NOT minor.
Maybe if it's a teeny piece of skin but most everyone I've asked says they're son had it all the way around just like eric.

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"he has more medical knowledge then most people who are doctors....who would i listen to....doctor.....someone whos not a doctor??????? easy answer....i'll listen to him"

I don't give a crap how much money he makes. If he's telling you a cut penis is CLEANER than an UNCUT penis, he's a moron. simple as that.

jeez, I don't even want to know what he thinks about girl parts being dirty since we have waaaay more nooks and crannies than a foreskin ever dreamed of.

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Yeah I'd pick my doctor on the fact "he makes a ton more money then most people"...that's a great indicator *head desk*

I am thinking that maybe your a little biased to believe everything doctor dearest says as you believe you have a great friendship...which unless you were friends before he was your doctor or socialise outside of the doctors office I highly doubt is true...you pay him to be nice to you!

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't trust your doctor but you need to be aware that he is trying to make money from you, you are just a pay check to him, he's going to tell you what you want to hear, he's not going to turn around and say yeah circ is awful and causes unnecessary pain now is he, he's going to say circ is the best thing ever...he doesn't want to lose your business!

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wow, I love my doctor, we have a great friendship and professional realtionship...nothing i would change at all.....he makes a ton more money then most people, has a ton of clients and he has more medical knowledge then most people who are doctors....who would i listen to....doctor.....someone whos not a doctor??????? easy answer....i'll listen to him.

they give local to snip the adheason (unless it's a big adheasion and then they have to put the kid under), so it all depends on the child and adheasion

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"He also said hes glad he had his boys cut....much cleaner in his words."

Then your doctor is a fecking moron. Sorry.

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It tells me the doctors a dick if they laugh at a very real side effect...one that has happened to his own son none the less! Yeah he sounds like a real douzy of a doctor!

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have to have an older child re-circ'd that involves putting the child to sleep, right? So that is a big deal. They can't do the local anymore.

Minnie - posted on 10/03/2011

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Circumcision is a complication in itself. The very nature of circumcision leaves scars. I can see my husband's scar.



You're removing a functional ORGAN. An organ is a group of tissues that work together to serve a function. You're not removing a flap of skin. You're removing muscles, nerves, immune cells, mucosal tissue.



It has a purpose. It's not an accident, a waste. It's purpose is to keep the glans soft, moist and clean.

Krista - posted on 10/03/2011

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That's Laura's point, though. NOBODY knows whether or not this will happen to their child. It could happen with even the most skilled physician. So why risk it? Why not leave well enough alone?

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did your doctor tell you to start ripping the skin back that was trying to attach itself???

perhapes having it re snipped would have been less painful to him and less hurtful for you???

I don't know where you live, but when i brought this up i was told there are several different methods of removing/snipping the adheason, and none of them involved ripping skin from skin.

I'm sorry you are going through this, but you have to think, your the one who signed up for it, you didn't know that it would happen to your child, hell it could happen to my son, but theres no damn way i'd be ripping skin from skin on my sons penis, i'd be getting him back in to the surgen and having him put local anesthetic there and getting it resnipped. no questions!!!!

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no, he laughed about about the adheasons, apparently they aren't super bad most of the time, apparently sometimes they can be bad but 9 times out of 10 once a boy gets his first erection it streches a bit and is fine....that doesn't include all of the erections a child gets, which means its been streching since it adheard.

my doc is great, i've known him for 10 years, worked with him, and wouldn't trade him for anyone else!!!!

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I'd laugh about my sons reattachment too if it didn't bother me to see him in pain.
Oh haha he's saying owie mom no no no
Haha now it's bleeding silly penis
Haha now he's crying when I wash his penis in the tub silly boy. Buck up!
What a fun thing it is to make my son writhe in pain while I rip skin from skin in his tiny penis
My idea of a fun afternoon I tell ya.
I think I've finally cracked.
So help me God I wish I could have video taped the whole two year ordeal of ripping back my sons penis skin so I could show women what they're signing up for.
No my dr was not incompetent she did many many circs, many many c sections. He was well trained and well informed.
She cut him straight and didn't scar him.
And yet his body tried to heal.
And now he thinks every time I even LOOK at his penis I'm going to hurt him!
Why dear GOD would anyone do this to their precious baby boy.
I simply don't get it.
Cleaner?
Cleaner then what?
What is so dirty about a normal penis?
There's no poop in it, it's fussed until 3+ years so no chance of poop in there.
Smegma? Well women get that a TON so that's obviously no need to have surgery.
Sweat? Yeah no I don't think there's sweat under the foreskin.
The foreskin is there to KEEP IT CLEAN!
Not to make it dirty.
I think I need to quit circ debates because I'm just not able to tolerate the stubbornness and ignorance and stupidity of the general pro circ side.
I WAS pro circ. Very adamantly pro circ.
But then it all went to hell and now I know better but for Eric, it's too late. He's forever going to think of his penis as a painful spot and me as an nflictor of pain.
Great job me, well done.

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Your doctor laughed at your concerns and was dismissive about the very real risks of circumcision?

He sounds like a peach.

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I admit i was concerned when i was speaking to the doctor, and when i mentioned it he laughed at me and told me people over react all the time about them. his own son has one....got to tell you some when your doctor laughs about something. He also said hes glad he had his boys cut....much cleaner in his words.

He also said that the numbers where we are are beginning to change and circing rates are on the rise.

we are lucky, anything could have happend....but anything could have happened all throughout my pregnancy, anything could have happened all through my labour and anything could have happened through my emergnecy c-section.

Jessica - posted on 10/03/2011

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. Katherine, you are not right, you are just lucky. Anyone whose son doesn't experience adhesions even the slightest bit, lucky. No complications from the surgery? Lucky. I wish I could have been that lucky, but I see this as a blessing in disguise. Now I know better, and I might not have if we weren't going through this.

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