Circumcision ban?

Minnie - posted on 12/16/2010

I mean my girls talk about how they sit to pee and "dad stands to pee." They know that girls sit and boys stand.

*shrugs* Why do penises all have to look the same? What's the reasoning? Do they look the same even, from one circumcised penis to another? Don't they come in different sizes and shapes? Does four year old's baby penis look like Dad's 30 (or whatever) year old?

Sherri - posted on 12/16/2010

Krista I was simply responding to this.
Do you think he's going to be spending a lot of time comparing his dick with his dad's? Seriously?

You posted a question and on this one from personal experience you are wrong. Sorry you thought coming back as snarky was a good response.

Krista - posted on 12/16/2010

Well, Sherri, I'm damn glad that your husband never had testicular cancer and had to get a nut removed, because then you obviously would have HAD to have had one of your kid's nuts removed as well so that you wouldn't have had to come up with something oh-so-difficult like, "Yes honey. Everybody doesn't look the same. They don't have to."

Minnie - posted on 12/16/2010

Charley, no one here is taking you seriously because you aren't typing legibly and because you need to provide FACTS to back up your stance. Don't get angry when people choose not to respect your stance of "I chose to circumcise my son because I wanted to, so there." It's a debate. It's not 'state your opinion and we'll all go on our way."



Me, I'm going to continue to believe that you are trolling if you can't at least attempt to formulate a semi-non-emotional response and correct some of the grammar.

Minnie - posted on 12/16/2010

Meh. I'm pretty frank with my children. I don't see why a simple "Dad's penis looks different from yours because he is an adult and also because his parents chose to remove his foreskin. We know that the foreskin is a good part of you, so we left it on" wouldn't work.



Children are pretty smart.

Sherri - posted on 12/16/2010

Krista my husband to this day walks around naked everyday and yes my 4 yr old does/has compared his pee pee to his dads. They have also done it with friends and family when they have bathed together and are changing in front of each other.

Sherri - posted on 12/16/2010

Rebecca you are so snarky

I have to say I am with Charley on this one. I circumcised all of my boys. Why I did it because everyone I know in my family, husband and everyone in his family is circumcised. Honestly until this thread I didn't know some people weren't it really had never occurred to me. They can make it law but you do realize this is one city in one state so all they would need to do is drive to the next town or city and have it done there.

Krista - posted on 12/16/2010

yea i have no medical reason to do it but i did its just what im used to his dad is done as well as others in my family thats how the world works got to be like everyone else if everyone was uncircum in my family i would have not done it

That's really sad. So you put your son through a medical procedure that you admit has no medical benefit, just so that his penis will be like his father's?

My kid is blond. His dad is brunette. I'm not going to dye my baby's hair dark so that he looks like his daddy. Why is it mandatory for a son to resemble his father in every way?

Do you think he's going to be spending a lot of time comparing his dick with his dad's? Seriously?

Rebecca - posted on 12/16/2010

That's because what she is "writing" (I have a hard time even calling it that) is unintelligible.

Shannen - posted on 12/16/2010

I so want to see this ban in place so that it is no longer the Mums decision!
I have a headache from trying to read and understand half of what Charley said.

Erin - posted on 12/16/2010

So, it shouldn't be your choice as his mother. It should be his. That's what this proposed ban recognises.

Charley - posted on 12/16/2010

im happy for all of u for ur choice but im happy wit mine to my point is itsmy dec as his mama to have it done so what

Erin - posted on 12/16/2010

Even if they numbed your finger, you would still feel the tugging and pulling. Not to mention the throbbing pain afterwards.

No it doesn't make you a bad mum, but your reluctance to delve any deeper into this issue than 'it's just what I'm used to' does your son and any future children no favours.

Toni - posted on 12/16/2010

Charley, the fact that older children and adults who have the procedure done feel pain during and after the circ tells us that an infant will feel pain too, we do not have to have had a circ to know that nerves do not just suddenly appear at a certain age...and the only person who seems to have an issue with your decision to circ your son is you, nowhere in this thread has anyone except for you ever said your a bad mom for getting your child circ'd we may not agree with that choice but there is a difference between that and deeming someone a bad parent.

If all your family jumped off a cliff or got pink bunny tattoos would you? You do NOT have to be like everyone else, you are allowed to be different!

Rebecca - posted on 12/16/2010

@ Charley -- periods, please. Periods. No one can read a run-on sentence. It's on your keyboard by the right shift button.

I've feel very sad for you that you are so ignorant about this issue. Actually, I feel sad for your children. Particularly that you think mutilating children is "funny".

Charley - posted on 12/16/2010

if they numb my finger first sure y not they numb the penis first and how do u know if its a comparable sensation do u have a penis that was circ. its ur opinion not to do it to ur son great for you but its my opinion to do it so what does that make me a bad mom yea i have no medical reason to do it but i did its just what im used to his dad is done as well as others in my family thats how the world works got to be like everyone else if everyone was uncircum in my family i would have not done it

Erin - posted on 12/16/2010

Thank you Toni, I definitely did say PART.

And Charley, you can't honestly believe it doesn't hurt a baby. Would it hurt you if someone ripped your fingernail from it's nail bed? Because that is a comparable sensation.

Kelina - posted on 12/16/2010

I'm wondering if maybe an eyelid would be a good example of something similar to the foreskin? Both are sensitive, both have protective mucosal qualities. But would any of you want your mothers to have had the choice to cut off your eyelids simply so you didn't get eye infections? not exactly the same, I know but similar.

Toni - posted on 12/16/2010

Sherri, Erin said PART of their genitals, which a foreskin most definately is!

Charley - posted on 12/16/2010

haha you dont know me lady im a very good caring person id break my back for a complete stranger u dont know if it hurst them and they dont remember so we will never know until the day my son comes to me and says hey mom it really hurt when chopped off my penis skin im all for but if u dont think its right thats ur opinion whatever im not putting u down for ur decision buts seems to me like ur putting me down for mine

Toni - posted on 12/16/2010

Charley, if you have researched circ then why will you not provide us with any more than anecdotal 'evidence' and 'I am doing it and you are all stupid' responses, debate with us, show us your evidence that has proved to you there is no difference between circ and intact penises. I do have to question though if as you yourself put it there is no difference (pro and cons) WHY would you put your son through it?

Oh and we are not putting moms down we we are providing evidence to show that circ is just not necessary for most modern day boys!

Oh and I'm not mad at all, just baffled by the fact people still want to chop perfectly good parts off their sons, even when the evidence shows it is not beneficial...

Sherri - posted on 12/16/2010

Erin no one thinks its funny but some of us don't think it is a big deal either and their penises are not getting amputated by the way either!!

Erin - posted on 12/16/2010

I am not mad. I am astounded. I'm glad you think it's funny that millions of baby boys are having part of their genitals amputated for no clinical benefit. Says a lot about a person...

Charley - posted on 12/16/2010

YALL dont like the way i speak o well thats me o and my appointment is tomorrow you all get all mad when the moms that are all for circum comments the stuff we do u all can dish it but not recieve it ive looked up the pros and cons and there is no differ in getting circum or not being circum stop putting down the moms that are against the ban by the way i think this is all so funny

Minnie - posted on 12/16/2010

It'll be so interesting 20 years from now, when hardly anybody circumcises their son, and they'll look back at prior generations and wonder what the hell they were thinking.

Yep. Like FGM.

Minnie - posted on 12/16/2010

April, I regret a lot of things I did when Evelyn was a baby. Things that weren't good for her, things that I know not to do now. I seriously cry in my bed sometimes before falling asleep. A lot of people here know...we used to spank... a whole lot...We do the best we can with the information we have at the time.



If he questions later in life you could have a heart to heart talk with him and tell him that you made the best decision you could at the time. But that you did more research and learned. I think if I was in your situation I would offer to pay for restoration if my son wanted it. It wouldn't bring back all of the specialized tissue, but it might help with sensation and reduce friction for both partners.

Rebecca - posted on 12/16/2010

@April -- I wouldn't worry about the penis envy situation. It is what it is. Now that you have more information, the best thing you can do is make a different choice in the future based on that new knowledge. My husband is circumcised; his father wasn't; my boys aren't. My nephew is. My husband wasn't traumatized by the fact his penis was "different" from his Dad and my sons haven't seemed to notice the difference between them and Dad. My nephew has noticed the difference between him and his cousins (the nephew is 5; my boys are about 3), but he just thinks my sons have "long penises" (his words) and thinks it's funny that theirs are longer than his. Of course, my nephews Dad jokes that he won’t be laughing as much about that when he gets older...hehe). Plus, my Dad and his eldest brother were circumcised. My Dad almost died from his circumcision – he almost bled to death. My grandma refused to circumcise her later children as a result, so my Dad’s youngest brother is not circumcised. I’ve discussed the situation with my Dad, his brother and my Grandma (REALLY weird conversation there, but I felt it was important when evaluating what to do with our boys). None of them stated that there were any hard feelings, teasing or envy about the situation growing up. The older boys knew what had happened with my Dad and respected their parent’s choice not to subject their youngest son to the same risk. Also, remember that even if both your sons were circumcised, their penises wouldn't necessarily "look" the same -- there is a lot of variation out there in every body part between siblings and that includes penises!!

April - posted on 12/16/2010

i will forever feel guilty for allowing my son to be circumcised. i left it up to my husband and I shouldn't have...should have gone with my instinct.

I am also worried about our next baby...if that baby is a boy, I won't allow him to have that god-awful procedure. BUT...if there's a new kind of penis envy and it's between the 2 siblings? What if one son gets jealous of the other son (mostly the older one envying the younger one because he's "intact" or has a better sex life?) Yes...at 1 year old...I am worried about my son's sex life!! People have argued that he won't know any better...but what if his brother were to tell him? What if it gave him esteem issues? I ALMOST want to have him circ'd too..to keep things even with the brothers....almost.

Krista - posted on 12/16/2010

And yet, the numbers keep on dropping.

It'll be so interesting 20 years from now, when hardly anybody circumcises their son, and they'll look back at prior generations and wonder what the hell they were thinking.

Sherri - posted on 12/16/2010

And we have added 3 more to the circumcised population in NH.

Rebecca - posted on 12/16/2010

One of my next babies is a boy and we definitely won't be performing any after-market work on him when he's born! No circumcision for my boys, which means we've added three to the intact population in Michigan!

Caitlin - posted on 12/16/2010

Lol.. I hope my next is a boy too, because it's my last and if I have 3 girls, i'll never get my turn in the bathroom in 10 years or so.. I told the hubby we'll need a house with an ensuite bathroom for us if that happens, with a combo lock on the door..

Shannen - posted on 12/16/2010

Fine then i'll kep it going.... I have decided to circ my boys!
Hehehehehe Just to keep it going..... Tell me why i shouldn't!
Lol ok ok so i'm only joking!

Chatty - posted on 12/15/2010

Thanks Sara!

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 12/15/2010

As long as the conversation is going and people aren't violating No THUMPS then we don't close the conversations in this community just because it reaches a certain number. We've only closed a few threads so far and we've had a few OP's close their own threads. I'm amazed at this debate. It's definitely are biggest yet!



Sara

Moderator

Minnie - posted on 12/15/2010

Yay! Keep him in all of his perfect perfection!

-I am hoping this babe is a boy-

Caitlin - posted on 12/15/2010

Yup.. If my next is a boy, his penis is going unclipped!

Charlie - posted on 12/15/2010

ah , ignorance is such a prolific disease these days perhaps they should bring back lobotomy .

Erin - posted on 12/15/2010

Melissa, why exactly should it be closed? Because it makes pro-circers uncomfortable? Well, there would be a reason for that...

Jaime - posted on 12/15/2010

Circumcision sucks BIG time!

Minnie - posted on 12/15/2010

OK Circumcision sucks.

April - posted on 12/15/2010

it doesn't count if you don't keep talking about circumcision though...it won't that big of an achievement!

Minnie - posted on 12/15/2010

LOL It's late!

Chatty - posted on 12/15/2010

I think your math is off, Lisa!

I'm posting #720, which leaves 280 posts til 1000!

Minnie - posted on 12/15/2010

It CAN'T close. We are just 272 away from a 1000! Nooooooo



271.

Caitlin - posted on 12/15/2010

I was like.. OMG 717 posts, wth? Oh well, I stopped reading at like 300 and I definately don't have time to go back and catch up.. Knock yourselves out girls! I've got an exam tommorow and I really should be studying..

Chatty - posted on 12/15/2010

Why do you feel it should be closed, Melissa? Are we bothering you?

Melissa - posted on 12/15/2010

Is this convo closed yet or what. Moderators?

Sandra - posted on 12/15/2010

After reading her non-use of correct grammar, I strongly suspect Charley might not know what "anecdotal" means. Lol.

I also strongly suspect that the boy's mother may have been given false information about cleaning. It sure sounds that way.

Shannen - posted on 12/15/2010

I wish i was receiving updates i can't believe i missed that one! :(