Death Penalty?

Corena - posted on 07/08/2010

If you do the research you will find some interesting facts...

1) It costs way more money to put someone to death than it does to imprison them for life.

2) The death sentence does not deter capital crime. In fact a lot of times the capital crime rate goes up after it has been implemented. At best it stays the same.

3) The amount of people who have been put to death and then proved to be innocent is HUGE. (Mostly poor African Americans...)



I don't support the death penalty at all. To me killing even one innocent person is completely unacceptable and makes us no better than the people we are condeming to death. The death penalty is only feasible at all in a perfect justice system...which does not exist on earth.



My opinion is only so clear when all emotion is taken out of it though....if someone hurt my children or other loved ones I would likely hunt them down and kill them myself...

Ashley - posted on 07/02/2010

I believe in the death penalty..If you kill someone or are a child molester I believe they deserve to die as well...I don't think the death penalty is used enough....

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

I never said you attacked my view. I'm not even really sure what you're talking about anymore.

this is what you said. You believe in the death penalty because they have committed a heinous crime, then you said it's cheaper to kill someone and only 1 in 1000 is innocent anyway, so it is your belief that that one innocent man's life is not worth the cost of detaining the other 999 inmates. That is putting a price on an innocent mans head.

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

My beliefs don't lack value placed on human life just that if you are put on death row and were convicted by the justice system and your sentence was death then they should follow through with it. They shouldn't be able to sit 40 yrs on death row there should be a length of time that it can't go past. Why have a sentence of death for these criminals if they aren't actually going to go forward with it?? If you murder someone else you should be put to death I whole heartedly agree with that. You took someone else's innocent life and you shouldn't be able to live yours.

By the way I never attacked your view just posted my view like I was asked!! You have a right to your belief and I have a right to mine.

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

You aren't changing the fact that you just put a price on innocent people's lives. and my argument has nothing to do with you, it has to do with the lack of value your beliefs place on people's lives. So you could say I'm making your beliefs out to be the bad guy, because in my opinion, they are. The only reason I even acknowledged your post was the fact that you claimed people on death row are on death row for a reason, ignoring the fact that innocent men are being set free from death row.



And, this being a debate thread, if you don't want to argue your beliefs why bother posting at all?

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

oops spelt your name wrong sorry.

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

It isn't about the money it is about that they are guilty of committing a heinous crime and I believe they deserve to die for it. End of story. I am not going to justify my beliefs with you they are what they are and you are not going to make me out to be the bad guy in this one Lacy.

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

99.9% means 1 in 1000 is innocent. like I said, I won't put a price on an innocent man's head. Apparently you would be okay with killing someone for a couple dollars a year? A dollar you could save in other ways, like not using private prisons and not imprisoning non violent drug offenders, so on so forth.

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

99.9% aren't innocent that is why they are in jail. The justice system isn't out to just frame people and put them in jail. So then I will just agree to disagree with you then because I am still not going to change your mind and you still will not change mine. Have a nice day, enjoy the nice weather.

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

No we won't, because I don't feel you can put a price on an innocent man's head.

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

Ya we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one because you won't change my mind and I am not going to change yours either.

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

we had this debate in another thread or group, not sure if it was PDHT or DM. You can not determine absolute guilt in every single case. As long as there is a death penalty, innocent people will be executed.



As for the cost of prisons, thats an entirely different issue altogether. There are MANY ways to eliminate costs that are much more effective and substantial than killing prisoners.

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

With forensics nowadays they are almost 100% guilty. It cost $20,108 dollars a year per inmate in prison. It cost approx $86 to execute them. If they were on death row for murdering your child how many years would you want to wait before you saw them die. I am sorry they were found guilty by a jury of there peers they were sentenced to death it should be followed through with in a timely fashion.

Amy - posted on 07/01/2010

im pro life when it comes to abortion and pro death penalty in certain cases. people literally get away with murder these days! my dads cousin was murdered just for walking past the man who did it, he was sentanced to 5 years and was out after 3 for good behavour! on the other hand child abusers (baby P's parents for instance) shouldn't, its to easy for them to just be killed, they should have to suffer the exact same way as that poor baby did and then be killed.

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

They can't be found innocent in appeals if what you want to happen happens, sentenced and then axed with no wait periods. We're only now freeing people who have been in prison for decades.

Sherri - posted on 07/01/2010

It is my opinion LaciWho and I am entitled to it!!!! They went in front of a jury they were found guilty sorry end of story. If they win on appeal fine, if they don't get it over with. Geesh!!

LaCi - posted on 07/01/2010

"I am pro choice and I say fry the bastards. Sorry but if they are on death row there is a very good reason probably a pretty horrific reason."



Right, because we haven't freed innocent men who wereon death row.

Sherri - posted on 06/30/2010

I am pro choice and I say fry the bastards. Sorry but if they are on death row there is a very good reason probably a pretty horrific reason. I say non of this wait 40 yrs and then do it. No you get one appeal if it doesn't work for you, you die within the next month. So your family can say goodbye, get your affairs in order etc.

Stephanie - posted on 06/30/2010

I'm Pro Life (for innocent babies) And Pro Death Penalty for murders. Mainly because innocent babies didn't do anything wrong and convicted murderers did. (Funny tho, I just had to defend this opinion is my Public Speaking Class.)

Kathy - posted on 06/14/2010

Although I'm pro-choice, I'm vehemently against the death penalty, because of the effect the power over life and death would have on the person holding that power.

I'm not really concerned about the rights of those who commit heinous and vicious crimes.

Erin - posted on 06/14/2010

Pro-life/choice is a human rights debate...death penalty is also a human rights debate. I think if you have damning evidence against you where you have killed someone out of cold blood (not the crime of passion/to save a life kinda murder) and child molestors (too bad they don't get this punishment!) then they, IMO, have lost their rights and deserve whatever a group of their peers gives them! I am pro-choice though, as a woman should have the right to choose how many kids she has, when she has them, spaced to her approval, with whom she would like to have them with, etc etc etc.

Jenny - posted on 06/12/2010

Pro-choice and for the death penalty in some cases but I'm not an eye for eye kind of proponent. I believe some people are broken and can never function in our society without causing harm. In those cases I consider it a mercy killing.

Jocelyn - posted on 06/12/2010

Pro-choice and for the death penalty as well! (which is a bit odd considering you all know me as a loving vegetarian pacifist lol) I enjoy being random :)

Jane - posted on 06/12/2010

Pro-choice and for the death penalty! I know, I wasn't supposed to answer but I had to :)

April - posted on 06/12/2010

i agree with Suzzete that some prisons can be like living in a hotel: continental breakfasts, free access to exercise machines, etc...

Suzette - posted on 06/12/2010

Gina, Thank you. Things in life like that only make a person stronger, I think my mother is the strongest person I've ever met because of what she went through with that man. I don't know why they have rights when they take the rights of so many with what they do, it doesn't make sense to me either.

Gina - posted on 06/12/2010

I'm so sorry Suzette for what you and your family went through, and it's so shocking how good he has it in prison. I do support the death penalty in that case hell yes! I can't stand how the damn murderer or rapist still has 'rights' It makes me soo mad!

Gina - posted on 06/12/2010

I don't think the two are the same really.I don't like abortion, but I support the right to choose.On the other hand I am all for a rapist or murderer spending their life in prison, NO parole ever,why shouldn't they suffer like their victims? Did the murderer kill in cold-blood? I think a rapist should spend his life paying for destroying another. That's just how I feel, killing them lets them off.The victim has to live with the pain.

Shalaina - posted on 06/11/2010

I am 100% pro-life. I just can't imagine taking anyone's life. That isn't our choice, that is God's. The only way I could ever imagine that is if it was to save my son or family and that would have to be the ONLY possible choice. If it comes down to someone killing my son or saving him and unfortunately having to kill the 'murderer' .... I think almost every 100% pro-life mother would choose their baby! I would sure hope so anyhow!

But it is hard to keep someone in this world that is a cold blooded killer. I am a little up in the air I guess. I guess in my above statement it is me physically killing someone not the death penalty. Tough question!

I do believe that no child born or unborn deserves to die.

Gelaine - posted on 06/11/2010

im pro-life, but support the death penalty in certain circumstances.. rapist/child molester/ serial killer.. i think these are extreme cases, but I'd rather that person be dead then have the chance to get out of prison (it does happen) and risk any more lives.. There is a big difference between killing something tiny and innocent that you chose (or didn't take enough precaution not) to create and convicting someone of a heinous crime that he full well knew the consequences of.

April - posted on 06/11/2010

I agree with Meghan M.....I'm pro-choice but i don't believe in abortion and i support the death penalty

Suzette - posted on 06/11/2010

@Sara,

"If someone has committed a heinous crime, it is a MUCH worse punishment for the person to be a part of the general prison population for the rest of their lives. They are brutal with each other."

I wish that were the truth. There are a lot of prisons that are extremely lenient. My biological father is in prison right now, he has been found on the internet (which they aren't supposed to have access too but they do) looking for "girlfriends." Dead serious. He's one of those that SHOULD have the death penalty. He's a sick individual who killed his wife (my step mother), taking the mother of my half sister and half brother. He was found to possess child pornography, thankfully he never tried that crap on my brother or myself, I don't know about my half brother or half sister, but I can hope that he didn't.

He was sentenced to 37.5 yrs to life all because the state didn't have the death penalty at the time he committed the crime. They couldn't find her body for almost 4 yrs, the only reason they did find it is because his brother turned him in. (There's a lot more to this, but I'm not going into detail.) The Judge asked him if he had anything to say for himself at the time of sentencing and he said, "The b!tch had it coming and if I had to do it over again, I would."

He's now studying ministry in prison. And he's the most racist individual I have ever known in my life. One of the times my brother and I visited him, before he did all this, for the summer and my Dad (who later adopted us who is hispanic) came with my Mom to pick us up, he refused to let my Dad in the house and called him a spick and threatened to kill him.

I didn't know about all the heinous crap he did to my Mom until I got older because my Mom kept us shielded until we could make up our own minds about him. I was only 14 when my Step mother went missing. She wasn't the best person in the world but she didn't deserve death. He killed her all because she was going to leave with the kids, he had threatened my mom with the same... and he threatened to hunt us down and kill us all numerous times. That man is getting more leniency in prison with the internet, studying ministry, and being able to work for privileges that it's insane. He should be dead.

They even moved him to a different prison because his family moved to a different state and the prison he was in was too far for his family to visit him. They moved him closer to the border of the other state they moved to so they wouldn't have to "drive as far."

Christina - posted on 06/11/2010

I like you, Kati! I'm also pro choice and I do agree with the death penalty. Life in prison is too lenient, especially given the crimes that lead to that sentence. If someone kills a person, not as an act of mercy, but cold-blooded-I-did-it-cuz-I-could-murder, and there is sufficient evidence, they should be put to death as soon as possible after the verdict is read. This housing murderers and rapists and child molesters for a few decades is B.S! What has it led to? We have over-crowded jails and prisons to the point that release some of them. Plus, people on death row get treated a whole hell of a lot better than we civilians, who can't afford healthcare and sometimes the necessities for our families. For cripes sake, they get a last meal of their choice, which can be all but gourmet. (My last meal was shake n bake porkchops with mashed potatoes. How gourmet is that?)

There is all this talk about the government needing to take care of its own people and taking care of senior citizens, but all the people in power seem to be interested in is covering their own asses. I mean, social security. How many paychecks have we got where we've paid into social security? And yet, by the time most of us are able to retire it probably won't be there. WTF!? But, if we went to prison, we'd get three meals a day, daily showers and exercise time, a bed with a roof over our heads, and all the healthcare we needed. How is that fair? Or even right? If you, as an adult, kill someone or molest someone, you should be killed in return.

I'm pro choice AND pro death penalty. Women have reasons for choosing abortion, I know I did. (Judge me if you must, but it's true. I cannot compare abortion to cold-blooded murder or rape or molestation, they're not the same, even tho to some they share so many similarities. Until you've walked in the shoes of an unloved mother to be who is carrying an unwanted baby, scared, ashamed, and virtually alone, do you really have the capacity to judge? No, you don't.)

Would I pull the switch of someone convicted of murder? Probably not. There are people who get paid to do that and I'm not one of them. But I do support the death penalty, and it isn't used enough. If it were, there wouldn't be nearly as many repeat offenders on the streets.

Rosie - posted on 06/11/2010

i'm pro choice, but i'll answer anyway, lol! i believe the death penalty should be used infirst degree murder cases where there is a confession, or DNA, everytime. and it should be done right away instead of taking years to do and wasting taxpayers dollars. others should have their appeals and then give death. oh the money we would save not having to house criminals like that for the rest of their life.

Good Day! - posted on 06/11/2010

I'm pro-life and anti-death penalty. If someone has committed a heinous crime, it is a MUCH worse punishment for the person to be a part of the general prison population for the rest of their lives. They are brutal with each other. And what if the person is actually innocent? And I like what Kathy said about the person ordering the execution and the person administering it. There's just too much that could go wrong.

Suzette - posted on 06/11/2010

I agree with Meghan's statement, I don't believe my original response explained that at all.

Meghan - posted on 06/11/2010

I am pro-life-meaning I am pro a child being brought into a healthy safe enviroment where they can be given the best chance possible.(so I guess technically that would make me pro chice)
I agree with Brittany though, it's kinda hard to relate the two. One deals with abortion and the other deals with an extreme case of punishment on an adult. I am 100% for death penalty in cases of violent murders and any sort of child abuse.

Corena - posted on 06/11/2010

I actually was not trying to make a point or start anything. I was just curious about the correlation or lack thereof.

Meghan - posted on 06/11/2010

Just because a person is Pro-Choice does not mean they are Pro-Abortion or Pro-Killing...Although I am Pro-Choice I am not Pro-Abortion. I just think it is necessary for everyone to have the choice to do what they want with their bodies...but I am a death penalty supporter...

Lyndsay - posted on 06/11/2010

I think it should be reserved for serial killers and child molesters. If the person is not actually guilty, well thats unfortunate. But to me, its better than having convicted killers and pedophiles reoffending every couple of years when they're released from jail. Its all about the greater good.

LaCi - posted on 06/11/2010

I'm not prolife....

But I am against the death penalty.

Jackie - posted on 06/11/2010

I am pro-choice and all for the death penalty. So I guess I wasn't suposed to answer. But only if there is clear cut evidence of guilt. In which case, it's not used enough and the process of appeals takes way too long for some.

Kathy - posted on 06/11/2010

I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty. My reasons for being against the death penalty derive mainly because I am convinced that the power to order an execution can have dangerous effects on the person who has thism power.

Alison - posted on 06/11/2010

I am pro life and anti death penalty. I'm pro life in every way, I believe in mercy for all people from the fetus to the serial killer/terrorist.

Sarah - posted on 06/11/2010

I'm pro-choice and I'm not in favour of the death penalty.
:)

Brie - posted on 06/11/2010

While I understand the point you are trying to make, being pro-life isn't something you can compare to the death penalty and if you can then what would pro-choice be?? give the prisoner the option to die or not? Pro-life and pro-choice both pertain to the issue of abortion. I myself am pro-life, i do not believe a childs life should be taken. But I totally agree with the death penalty as long as it is sealed tried and true the person is guilty. How its fair is a child has done nothing to deserve death but somebody who has killed others should be taken out of society by any means necessary. not meaning to down you at all and I don't want to start an arguement. This is my opinion!!!

Michelle - posted on 06/10/2010

I am pro choice ( I know you said pro life) however I just wanted to say that I am pro choice and I think the death penalty is not used enough. Eye for an eye and all that jazz...

*Lisa* - posted on 06/10/2010

No, not in favour of death penalty. I think it's too risky, just in case the person was not actually guilty.

Suzette - posted on 06/10/2010

I'm pro choice, but I'm pro life. (Hopefully that makes sense.) However, I have personal reasons for believing in the death penalty. Long story. :)

Teresa - posted on 06/10/2010

When I say I'm 100% prolife.... that's part of what I'm talking about. :)