Do Atheist believe they have a soul??

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Jenny - posted on 04/02/2010

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EASTER meant much more to our ancestors than it does today. In the present era and in our secular society the event has been overtaken by commercialism and is seen mainly as a fun time for families, holidays abroad and big sporting occasions.

But for our forbears it was a much-anticipated event in the Christian calendar, preceded by a period of fasting (Lent) to celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ.

However, its origins go much further back than the Christian era and can be traced to ancient pagan fertility festivals.

The word Easter and the German equivalent, “Ostern,” come from a common origin, which to the ancient Scandanavians meant the season of the growing sun or a time of new birth.

The ancient Saxons celebrated the return of spring with a festival commemorating the goddess of offspring and springtime, Eastre. When Christian missionaries came across the pagan tribes of the north, they attempted to convert them to Christianity. Coincidentally, the pagan festival of Eastre occurred at the same time of year as the Christian observance of the Resurrection. In order to win over people to Christianity it made sense to keep the old tradition but to make it a Christian festival.

Many family historians and the general public often puzzle over the date of Easter and it can be a little confusing.

In early times Easter was celebrated on different days of the week but in AD325 the Council of Nicaea was convened by the Roman emperor Constantine. It issued an edict which stated that Easter was to be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the vernal equinox. However, the "full moon" was the ecclesiastical full moon, which was defined as the 14th day of a calendar cycle where day one corresponds to the ecclesiastical New Moon. This does not always occur on the same date as the astronomical full moon. The ecclesiastical "vernal equinox" is always on March 21. Therefore, Easter must be celebrated on a Sunday between the dates of March 22 and April 25.

An attempt to regularise the date by the various churches was made in the early 20th century but no action was taken following these discussions.

Family history researchers will often discover that their ancestors got married on either Christmas Day or Easter Sunday. This was because these days were recognised as the two most important days in the Christian calendar.

Our ancestors too were involved in the various Easter celebrations and traditions. The decorating and painting of eggs for Easter began during the Middle Ages. Christians often dyed their eggs red to symbolise the blood of Christ. Coloured eggs were also exchanged as romantic gestures between lovers. The giving of eggs to friends and relatives started during the medieval period when they were presented to servants by their masters – the household accounts of Edward I in 1290 recorded an expenditure of eighteen pence for 450 eggs, painted in gold leaf.

Traditions such as the Easter egg hunt and egg rolling can be traced to the Roman practice of running races on an oval track and giving eggs as prizes on Easter day. Easter egg hunts were traditionally held on the Saturday before Holy Week. In England and other European countries, eggs were rolled down hills on Easter morning, a game which has been connected to the rolling away of the rock from Christ's tomb.

Easter cards became popular in the Victorian era and started after a stationer added a greetings message to a drawing of a rabbit.

A symbol of the Saxon goddess of spring, Eostre, was the hare. Christians changed the symbol to a rabbit and that is how the symbol of the Easter bunny came about.

So our ancestors celebrated this ancient festival in style and entered into the spirit of the festival far more than we do today. However, there are still towns and villages which mark Easter as it used to be.

Charlie - posted on 04/21/2010

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As i have already said , i do not believe in god , i believe in energy an that energy is released upon death and reemerges in the great scheme of things as another entity .

There is plenty of purpose in living without a god like simply Living , teaching and loving our little ones and most of all enjoying the experience that is life , life experience is is our own personal journey we take our journey and the lessons learnt are passed on to our children , friends and family , im not sure what you mean by not being successful being a waste of time if you dont believe in god , i have studied several religions out of a historical interest and ive never seen once that god would judge you based on your success .

There is a lot of happiness in this world that people take for granted every day , personally i would be a little sad if the ONLY way i could find happiness was to follow a book , a man , woman or deity and not be able to experience happiness in its truest form to myself .

Krista - posted on 04/04/2010

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See, Stephanie? We're not so bad. :)

Consider this: throughout history, there have been hundreds of gods and goddesses worshiped throughout the world. You don't believe in any of them, like Zeus, An, or Odin, right? Really, atheists are no different...we just believe in one fewer god than you do.

Jenny - posted on 04/02/2010

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Holidays have always changed. Easter is a version of a pagan holiday as is Christmas. Easter, at it's root, is about fertility. The word comes from Eostre - a pagan Anglo-Saxon Goddess.

For me the holidays are about family and creating fun memories for my children.

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Easter changes dates every year so I don't think that's it. I believe it has something to do with the moon's patterns. Of course, I could also be mistaken.

But I celebrate the religious reason for Christmas and Easter despite the fact that Jesus' birth and resurrection most likely did not occur on those days. It doesn't matter what day it occurred, to me it's important to recognize that it happened.

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Christa - posted on 05/19/2010

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Kelly, thank for sharing your story. It's encouraging! I just wanted to tell you that Jesus himself said we WILL doubt him and he expects that. He just asks that we bring our doubts to him. If someone gives you trouble about that, they need to go back to the bible. :-)

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I personally don't think so. I think when we die, we cease to exist. Our organs shut down, as well as our consciousness, energy, etc.

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Yes, I was an atheist for just under 20 years. I'm not sure I fully believe in God, it's a lot to wrap your mind around, but I have made the decision to "try to believe in God" if that makes since.

I can't really tell you why or how my beliefs changed, just that they did. I was seeking comfort from some things and I thought this might be a good avenue to venture into. I've been practicing with the Catholic Church, but decided not to join them formally. I chose them because of their meticulous record keeping and their immediate acceptance of my doubts. They can back up their beliefs and interpretations of the Bible with letters and papers written thousands of years ago, and they have strict practices for teachers to insure that the teachings stay the same throughout the Church and generations. Regarding their acceptance of my doubt, they consider belief a conscious decision rather than a given--I may doubt God's existence, but as long as I confess that doubt to Him and "Hope" that there is a God, I am good (after all, wouldn't it be a lie to say I believe in something I don't, and as I understand it, to lie is a mortal sin). Most other religions I have looked into simply told me that I was "wrong" when I confessed my doubts to them. I can't "Make myself believe" in something I don't believe in, but I can choose to "try" and that should be good enough.

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Kelly- Does this mean that you are no longer atheist? Are you now a believer? Why and how did your beliefs change?

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When I was atheist, I believed that we had something within us that made us who we are, aside from our made up parts and experiences, but I believed it died with our bodies.

Why did I have morals and not live a sin filled life? Well, first off, because I have respect for other humans.
I also believe that my life and accomplishments would be passed down to my children and their children, would leave a history of sorts. I wanted it to be a good history, I wanted (and still want) to leave something good for future families look back on, learn from and relate to.

Krista - posted on 05/10/2010

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Alot of it is just stories and like with any story the more you pass it on the more it changes and gets farther and farther from the truth or original story and becomes so far fetched. : )

I agree. I always find it so baffling when people take the Bible literally. It's been translated and re-translated, and everybody who has had their finger on it puts their own slant on things (like Saint Paul and the weird bee in his bonnet that he had about women.) I would probably have more respect for religion if more people saw the Bible as you did: as a collection of parables from which one can draw various lessons.

But these people who say that it is the complete, unvarnished, unchanged word of god, and must be followed literally? That just mystifies the heck out of me.

Hell, if I write a media release, by the time it's gone through me, my boss and a couple of directors, it looks NOTHING like the original. And that's usually just over a two-day period. And it's written in English! But yet, this entire book has been passed down over many centuries, translated multiple times, and re-written by multiple hands, and it's supposed to be exactly faithful to its original source? Um...sure!

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@Suzette-

"Questions are a wonderful thing, if you're truly trying to understand (generally speaking) but if you're just attempting to tell me I'm wrong in a different way... I've heard it before and I don't want to hear it again from someone who's supposed to accept me as the person I am."

I agree 100%! I have known alot of people who call themselves Christians yet have harshly judged, disrespected and alienated me for my beliefs in the LDS church. Some people actually get crazy angry when they learn of my beliefs. That is why I really try to respect other people's beliefs that are different from my own and learn about them bc Ive been so judged for my beliefs when the people doing the judging had no idea what they were judging really, just judging the title LDS and following the stigma that comes with it when they have no real concept of what I believe and practice. Yep, I believe in spirits / ghosts, too. : ) I like talking to ya Suzette bc you're not a jerk about it! :D



@Laura:

"And I think it's funny that you are surprised by how many people don't believe in God...because I am always flabbergasted by how many do...especially those who take a literal interpretation of the bible."



Im surprised by it bc where Im from it isn't the norm. I grew up on a small island where people are fiercely religious and although I know many people who are non-believers and have friends from every walk of life, it STILL surprises me. I'm just being honest. It's almost like a disbelief sometimes...like a "Nah, you're not really serious, right?" thing. I don't say that kind of thing to people bc I wouldn't disrespect them or make them uncomfortable but Im being honest when i say that is what pops into my mind. I don't take the bible literally which is probably the biggest way my beliefs differ from the LDS church. I have read it and there is some crazy stuff in that book! Alot of it is just stories and like with any story the more you pass it on the more it changes and gets farther and farther from the truth or original story and becomes so far fetched. : )

Jenny - posted on 05/09/2010

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I think it is a fact that our energy doesn't die, energy transforms but doesn't die. I don't believe in a creator, a soul or anything supernatural. I do know we are all connected to each other and to our planet through energy though.

Tanya - posted on 05/09/2010

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I am with Krista and Laura. I believe that our energy doesn't die, but its not a ghost or anything.

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I believe that the energy we have (which makes us greater than the sum of our parts) could be called a soul. I believe that when we die that energy rejoins the collective energy of the Universe...I guess you could call that God or Heaven?

While I don't believe that there is a "person-like" deity that is out there watching us and cares what we are doing, I DO believe that just as we have an energy that makes us greater than the sum off our parts, so does the planet...we are a part of something bigger AND more important...but there's nobody out there judging us.

And I think it's funny that you are surprised by how many people don't believe in God...because I am always flabbergasted by how many do...especially those who take a literal interpretation of the bible.

No offense, just wow.

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Yes, I believe I have a soul.....I don't know how to classify my religious beliefs other than to say I'm a SPIRITUAL person....I don't follow any one religion but I do believe there is a power greater than me.....call it GOD if you want!

Suzette - posted on 05/08/2010

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@Stephanie,
It's nice to see that there are people who can have friendships such as that. My BFF and I have extreme debates, to the point people believe we're about to strangle one another (online lol), the next minute we're laughing. I think we honestly confuse people. She's Christian and, well, I obviously don't really have a religion. lol. Religion, politics, we debate about pretty much everything. The few things we agree on are parenting and relationships. I think that our differences is likely what makes our friendship so rich and full of love, we're like sisters... even if we don't talk all the time, we pick up where we left off the last time we did talk.

I have had friends, in the past, who cannot seem to understand why I choose what I choose for myself. Instead of accepting me as I am, they tend to hound about it, perhaps not on a daily basis but they'll continually bring it up - the same things - and it gets tiring after a while. I'm sure you've had someone like that in your life at some point. Questions are a wonderful thing, if you're truly trying to understand (generally speaking) but if you're just attempting to tell me I'm wrong in a different way... I've heard it before and I don't want to hear it again from someone who's supposed to accept me as the person I am. (Sorry that went off topic into a bit of a rant! lol)

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this is a tough one it depends on what you belive is an athiest for example i dnt belive in a god however accept that other people do (if it makes you feel better about dying belive what you like) im not convinced by religon at all and belive the bible was originally a childs story book taken out of context some would say this belife makes me an athiest i personally dnt think i am. i belive we have soals and belive in reancarnation mostly because it makes me feel better about dying and its a comfrt that my lost loved ones are reancarnated and having another go.

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We are solid. I dont hound her with unwelcomed lectures on religion- Im not disrespectful and neither is she. She doesn't try to convince me that there isn't a God but we do have alot of conversations as to why I so strongly believe in His existance. It's not a situation where you would get "fed up" with your friend- that's not how we communicate. We only want good things for one another and enjoy sharing our lives. : )

Krista - posted on 05/08/2010

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That must be a good friendship then, Stephanie. If I had a friend who, for 22 years, kept after me about my beliefs, I'd start to get more than a little fed up.

But maybe it's an equal thing and she's been trying to convince you to not believe in God, in which case, that's great that the two of you are able to have those religious debates and still maintain such a strong friendship.

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PS....My bff of 22 years is a non-believer. I've been trying to convince her that there really is a God since we were kids. I haven't given up lol. But, our opposing beliefs don't effect the way we feel about each other or the amount of respect and love we have for one another, which is overflowing. : )

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I have heard that so much in my life, that there can't be one without the other. But why? Why can't there be? I think "hell" is what you perceive it to be. Because I believe in levels, if I wasn't granted the level of exaltation that I strived for or where my loved one are, that would be my own personal hell bc I am not where I want to be. As for fire and brimstone, what kind of loving parent would burn their child for eternity for disobeying??? God is my Father, He loves me as He loves all of His daughters and if I sin I am corrected and guided to the right path, just as you would teach your own child here on earth. The rewards of heaven are by your works, meaning if you do the things that He asks of you, you will be in high exaltation. If you don't, yet you still believe in Him, your kingdom will be according to your works, as well, which will be lesser. Just like on earth, the harder you work the more you get. But even then, we are still His children and although He may be disappointed and saddened by our actions, He still loves us. He wouldn't set us on fire and burn us for eternity.; )
I agree with you about the people who disrespect other people bc of their religious views. My father, the God I believe in, is a God of love, peace, kindness and empathy. Not someone who would scream in your face and threaten you with setting you on fire. That persona goes against everything He teaches us to be and is something I will never understand. I have encountered so many people with that mind set and all I can say is wow, just wow, as I scratch and cock my head like a confused puppy lol.
I have strong religious beliefs but I am not a "holy roller" and am in no way perfect. I do things I shouldn't, I say things I shouldn't. But my creator made me to be human, He didn't make me to be God. ; ) But, I am a happy person and a peaceful person. My faith strengthens and calms me and gives me inner peace and contentment. Some people believe it's a sin to explore religions other than their own, what theyve accepted as truth. I believe that God wants us to learn as much as we can. He gave us our own minds and free agency to do with it what we will.
I am LDS (Mormon) but I have some beliefs that differ from the teachings of the church but for the most part, if I was to name myself, I'd say Mormon. My husband is in the priesthood and served a 2 year mission for our church then went to college at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, which is a Mormon university. There is alot of hype out there about what Mormons believe and how we live our lives but let me tell you, it is just that, hype. We do not believe in polygamy, I am my husband's one and only wife lol. There are people in Utah, and elsewhere, who practice polygamy but they aren't part of the mainstream LDS church. We aren't some weird cult.....what is a cult anyway and who says which group is going to be called a cult and who isn't?! And so what if we are a cult? Does that really mean anything? ; ) Im getting off topic, I think i need sleep lol. I do appreciate your questions and don't mind at all- it's not prying and I welcome it. I just don't want to be disrespected for my beliefs and I know that isn't what youre doing. : )

Suzette - posted on 05/08/2010

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@Stephanie,
I have no disrespect for other religions either, when I meant I was curious and honestly was trying to understand your post - I honestly meant that as well.
(The only disrespect I have is towards people who judge others based upon their beliefs and religions and those who do point their fingers and shout out "You're going to hell, etc." because they do not hold the same beliefs as them and their religions... I honestly can't stand those types of people either.) I do find others' beliefs curious, while I've spent time (as has my husband) researching other religions and that's what led me to my decisions, I still find their beliefs curious and wish to understand why it is they have those beliefs. I feel that you can research another religion until your fingers bleed (and your eyes too lol) but why another person believes what they do will always differ from what a book and history tells you.

" I don't even believe that a "hell" exists, at least not the way it's commonly taught as being fire and brimstone. "

I'm curious, since there are quite a few people (generally speaking) that say that you can't believe in a heaven without believing in a hell, what type of hell is it that you believe in? I've heard some that say they believe you're forever trapped for eternity in the life of misery you create for yourself if you don't believe.
(personally, I don't see that as all that bad considering I don't find my life miserable... but that's just one thing that I've heard and I'm curious what others believe, as I said before.) So, if you don't mind me prying, I'm curious to know. =)

As I said, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, or sound rude, and if it comes off as such then I apologize. I truly am just curious. =)

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Suzette: I would do all those things to fullfill my purpose in this life and also to carry that knowledge to the next life. I do not believe God judges material success, earthly things, money, but I do believe that we were sent here with a purpose and that He expects us to gain as much knowledge as we can, to prosper and be self sufficient. I'm sorry, I should have been more clear that I meant material success.
Yes, even without doing what is expected of us on this earth we will still be granted an after-life, yet how grand it is depends on your works and knowledge. There are levels, kingdoms, in heaven. I don't push my religious beliefs on other people. I am far from the kind of person who points and screams "You're going to hell!". I don't even believe that a "hell" exists, at least not the way it's commonly taught as being fire and brimstone. Of course I wish everyone believed what I do bc I feel it's the truth but I don't push my beliefs on other people or deliberately disrespect them for not feeling the same as I do. We are all different and I have friends from every walk of life.I am an open minded person and enjoy learning about other lifestyles and beliefs. When I said that I'm honestly trying to understand and not trying to be condescending I meant it and I would hope that others would have the same respect for me.

Suzette - posted on 05/07/2010

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Personally, I have a variety of beliefs. I do not claim to know whether there is a God, but I do not believe there is ONE God either. I am more apt to believe there is more than one God. In the bible, if an individual chooses to follow those beliefs, there is a passage that states that a person shall not worship other Gods before Him. (I'm not claiming to know the exact verse or anything, but I know it's there.) It seems to me that the one God is stating that there are other Gods, to me it makes more sense that there is more than just one Divine being.

I also believe we have a soul, or some type of energy, that is released when we die. Perhaps it does go on to another entity and we're reincarnated... I think that'd be awesome. =)

I do follow holiday traditions from my family, but none for religious purposes as I don't believe in it. For me it is all about family. My husband is Wiccan and I am more in the belief that he is when it comes to any type of religion.

We've both agreed that our daughter will be raised to know of all religions so that she will be free to choose what she wants from life, not what we have chosen for ourselves.

I do not live by a moral compass based upon a God or Gods. I choose to live being the person I am, doing good things for myself, my family, and others because I believe it's the right thing to do. I don't believe you have to have religion to be a good person. I've known far too many religious people who were just downright mean and nasty to live by that logic. (I'm not in any way implying that all of them are that way either, I've known others that are on the opposite side of the spectrum as well.)


@Stephanie,
"What I meant is why work so hard for something when tomorrow you could completely cease to exist. Why go through the struggle and sweat of some things if in the end it's not going to matter."

This could apply to those who even believe they have a soul. Just because a person believes they have a soul and they believe in one God who is going to grant them a grand after life, why do all those things?

"I absolutely do not believe that God judges us based on our successes in this life."

If that is the case, then why do you do all those things? You could very well do none of those things and still be carried on to that grand after life because you believe in God and that you have a soul, right? (Or am I misunderstanding what you said, as you said, I'm honestly trying to understand - not trying to judge or be rude or condescending.)

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What I meant is why work so hard for something when tomorrow you could completely cease to exist. Why go through the struggle and sweat of some things if in the end it's not going to matter. I absolutely do not believe that God judges us based on our success in this life. Not at all. I believe that we carry all of our knowledge from this life to the next, that is why I said that.
"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis

Jessica - posted on 04/22/2010

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You have a way of wording things Loureen :) I agree with the post you put above.

Allison - posted on 04/21/2010

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Ooh, I just love this thread and have to post :)



I concur on many different kinds of atheists - the word just means no deity - so the only thing we really have in common is not believing in gods or God. But there are SOOO many other things TO believe in :)



I loved holidays growing up (as a Catholic), so we have decided to celebrate them just as celebrations of family and tradition, and of course will mention the religious roots to our son, even though we don't believe in God or religion.



I live a moral and just life precisely BECAUSE I don't believe in after life. This is the ONLY chance I have to make a positive impact on the world and all the people in it, and be happy, so I have got to make the most of it!



As for a soul...no, but I think that our actions throughout life touch so many people, in both subtle and strong ways, (more than we could ever count!) - so our "legacy" is what lives on, the ways we treated others and changed the world by being a part of it :) I think once our body dies, that is it for our conciousness, but all our ideas, actions, deeds, will live on and on through EVERY person we ever interacted with (and then who they interacted with, and on and on...) I find this life-view really tangible and much more powerful and easier to follow than what religion ever explained to me...which I couldn't see, hear, touch, or smell (or comprehend) and seemed so "made up" !!! Some people call this type of view "secular humanism", but I don't really like labels and stereotypes, in general :)

Jenny - posted on 04/21/2010

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It's more like this.. you'd be pretty much the person you are now and your life would remain exactly the same (save for church stuff) but you wouldn't believe in a soul.



Nothing sinister will happen to you, you won't want to jump off a bridge, the sun will rise and set. You just won't believe in a soul.

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I think that if I believed I didn't have a soul that the joy of living would cease to exist. How can you find joy in life when believing that tomorrow you and the ones you love will fall into dust and nothing will be left? It seems that life would be meaningless and heartless. There would be no purpose in anything, for nothing would matter. There is nothing to look forward to. There's no way I could find happiness in that perspective. Why bother teaching or learning? Why bother being successful knowing that you might die an hour from now and it would all be for nothing? I really don't understand it. Not to insult those who do understand and believe this, it's just way out of my grasp of reason.

Charlie - posted on 04/08/2010

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soul is just another word for our inner energy , which we all have .

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I consider myself an atheist and I definitly believe I have a soul, I also believe in an afterlife.

Emma - posted on 04/04/2010

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As an Atheist myself i would have to say No !!

But that's just me i know People who also call themselves Atheists who would say yes.

So it really dose vary from person to person.

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I believe that we all have souls, even before our earthly birth. I believe we were all spirits in heaven before we were given a body on earth. And when we die, only our body dies, a temporary host, not our soul. Our soul goes on to the afterlife and the position you hold there depends on your works on earth, meaning whether you were a good person or a bad person (much more complex but those are simpler, generalized words).



I am so surprised that so many people don't believe in God. I honestly didn't realize that there were so many non-believers in the world. I thought that even if a person did bad things and didn't follow the commandments that most still likely believed that God exists, they just chose not to follow His plan. It's surprising to see regular, normal, every day people who don't believe in God. I've thought of people who say God doesn't exist as these aggressive type hateful people, bc that is the type of people I have encountered. Just goes to show that you can't stereotype a whole society of people based on a few bad apples. I guess those people were the jerks of the non-believer society and not the norm. Just like how the "holy rollers" who scream at people and say "you're going to hell" to everyone doesn't encompass the behavior or mind set of all Christians. I realize that I probably sound really naive to most of you but I'm being honest. I'm not judging or making fun or anything negative. I just really am surprised and taking this all in.

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Sara likes the chocolate: "Especially those Cadbury eggs"

Sara, Cadbury has announced they will be Free Trade as of Easter 2010! So you can eat it with a clear conscience now!

Jessica - posted on 04/02/2010

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I celebrate Easter for the fun of it, but I celebrate with the title Spring Equinox/Ostara and believe it or not the colored eggs, baskets of flowers and hotcross buns, all part of pagan festival. Although, like Sara said about the days not nessesarily being correct, that goes for this to. Actual Spring Equinox is to be celebrated on the 20th and 21st of March. Jenny had alot of the facts so I won't go into it, but yes, Easter is another holiday that was taken for the purpose of Christian conversion.

Krista - posted on 04/02/2010

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Wow, Jenny. That was like one of those "The More You Know" TV segments. ;-)

VERY helpful, thanks!

LaCi - posted on 04/02/2010

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Christians move into a new area. Natives don't follow their traditions. Sometimes they torture them to instill that fear of god, other times they say "OHHHH you're kind of right, but instead of this deity its God and instead of this guy its Jesus." To manipulate their current culture into a more christian culture. christmas was yule/winter solstice. easter= spring solstice? may be mistaken.

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WHAT IS EASTER?

Easter is the sacred celebration of Christ's resurrection from the dead. It is the oldest and holiest Christian festival, the climax and center of the liturgical year, and the holy day to which all other holy days point. Even denominations that do not strictly follow a liturgical calendar commemorate Easter with tremendous joy and thanksgiving.

LaCi - posted on 04/02/2010

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I also agree with celebrating holidays in a nonreligious way. Holidays are stolen and passed through different cultures, it has little to do with religion for me.

It's childhood fun. Hiding candy inside a plastic egg will mesmerize my kid, so thats what I'll be doing. He gets xmas presents because its fun to spoil him, santa is fun, family gatherings are fun.

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Well Meghan, the thing is, you can't get into Heaven by living a good moral life. It's not based on works. BUT, good works are evidence of faith. You can't have faith without good works, but you can have good works without faith.

Just want to clear up that misconception.

And I like the chocolate too. Especially those Cadbury eggs!

Krista - posted on 04/02/2010

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I'm just all about the chocolate.

And as for this:

Ok, so here is another question then....
If you have no soul & when you die you're just dead. Why not live a radical, sin-filled life? If you aren't going to be accountable for you life, why have good morals & values in the first place? Who cares if you steal & lie & kill & destroy? There are no consequences for your actions..Sure you might go to jail, but is that the ONLY reason you don't do those types of things???


Of course not. That's just silly. I try to be a good person because it is the right thing to do, not because I fear some sort of divine punishment or anticipate some sort of divine reward. I AM accountable for my life. But I'm not accountable to some sky guy. I'm accountable to MYSELF. It's called "having a conscience" or "having good ethics", and believe it or not, it's not the sole domain of the religious.

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As an agnostic, I have no belief in the afterlife. I haven't got the foggiest idea what happens when you die, and I don't think anyone really does. My logical side suspects its just the end and your existence ceases, while my metaphysical side thinks that one may live on in the ether of the universe. The energy that is you can not just dissipate into nothingness, and just changes into a new form. But I have no firm set idea about it.



Choosing to live a "moral" life to me is about how I treat my fellow humans here and now. I do not need to fear a judgment day to want to be a good person. I was born with, raised to, and continue to choose to value myself and others as worthy of care and respect. My moral compass is focused on not "doing harm". So when I make choices or support an idea, for me it is based on what kind of real effects it could potentially have on our society.



Easter is the celebration of chocolate, bunnies, hot cross buns, and lamb dinner. Not one of my favorite holidays, but nice none the less. And I do always appreciate the long weekend.

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I have a 2 great friends one who happens to be a devout catholic and the other claims no religion...they are BEST friends...one night at a get together the Catholic gentleman says well Dennis I will always pray for you...and Dennis said well as long as you are I know I don't have to...and Greg asked well whi is that? Dennis replied your my get into heaven free card if it would happen that I ever need to use it...

I told that story because of a comment I left earlier just reminded me that if god is as forgiving as many of you say he is and your praying for my sins, I have nothing to worry about because it will not matter as long as I have lived a moral life.

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I agree with Jenny about the holidays...we celebrate but in an un-religious way...I mean whats religious about a bunny leaving treats in the back yard...or a big fat guy leaving presents under a tree?

Jenny - posted on 04/02/2010

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If you have no soul & when you die you're just dead. Why not live a radical, sin-filled life?

I do live a sinful life. I'm been living with a man unmarried for 10 years for one thing. Good thing I don't believe in sin lol.

If you aren't going to be accountable for you life, why have good morals & values in the first place? Who cares if you steal & lie & kill & destroy? There are no consequences for your actions..Sure you might go to jail, but is that the ONLY reason you don't do those types of things???

No, jail is not the only reason, evolution is. Humans lived as small tribes for a very long time. That living arrangement would have never worked out if it was every caveman for themselves. We developed charater traits that would allow for communal living such as empathy. I believe now that we are living more isolated lives that we are beginning to lose that unfortunately.

I am a good person and do good things simply because it is the right thing to do and it is who I am. I don't need an alterior motive and I don't need personal gratification, I just do it.

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You don't need to believe in god and a soul to live a good life, I'm sure I've said this before but will again. If we all just did as we wanted and were completely selfish then the human race would cease to exist - as a society we need to take care of each other and look out for each other - they do it in the animal kingdome and certainly not for religious reasons. I live a good, moral life not because I'm in fear of what happens when I die but because I care about my fellow human beings. I'm bringing up my children to be good and moral and to care about others because I hope that if everybody did the same then the world would be a better place - morals don't come from the bible, they were around a lot longer, the church just grabbed onto them and attached hell on to them in an attempt to control.

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You don't need the fear of hell or prize of heaven to have a sense of morality.

I don't need to think theres some sort of punishment awaiting me. I feel as though life is the prize and life is valuable, all life, which is why I try my best to do no harm to anything/anyone. Thats my morality. It's about compassion for life, not some divine discipline. Believing that life is it, why would I want to make anyone/anything else's life worse? Respect for life.

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Karma! What goes around come around. That's no way to live. I'm not really sure if I beleive in an afterlife but who I am and what I did will live on through decendants (I Hope). I still want to have a good "Name" and be a good role model for my kids so that they can be good people too

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