Here's a good one for you....

Christina - posted on 10/17/2010 ( 45 moms have responded )

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I watch Family Guy, yes, the obscenely rude and wrong television show on Fox.
Their latest straight-to-dvd episode, Partial Terms of Endearment, brings up the subject of abortion and unwanted children. One comment was: "if you're so pro-life, would you go down to the orphanage and adopt one of the unwanted children who lives there?" The response was "No. I'm here to save the unborn. Once they're out of the vagina they can go...", well I see no need to elaborate on that one. Suffice it to say the respondant wanted nothing to do with adopting a child.
I stand by what I've said to other people when it comes to this show: it teaches good lessons and brings to light some things in society that few would have the cahones to bring out into the open.
What I want to know is:
What are your thoughts about this?
Are you pro-life?
Pro-choice?
Somewhere in the middle?

*don't bash Family Guy, just answer the question*

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Corena - posted on 12/20/2010

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I am pro life.

Less than one percent of the millions of abortions done every year around the world are done because of rape, incest or danger to the mother's life. Less than 1 percent for all three combined...

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IMO, unless you're willing to vote against choice and make abortions illegal then you're pro-choice, which is therefore determined by the laws. IMO, it doesn't matter what your personal feelings are, or whether or not you'd personally have one and up until what gestational age - none of that matters to me. If you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. I don't let my personal feelings or guidelines dictate what others can do. For myself, I definitely fall somewhere in the gray area but I want abortions to remain legal and it's not my right to determine at what stage or for what reason, someone else might have one. IMO, that's for the medical professionals and the laws to determine.



Like you said, it's extremely difficult in Canada to have a late term abortion even though our laws state that there are no restrictions. We have one of the lowest rates of late term abortions also.



I hope this helps? Apparently I'm not making any sense because no one seems to agree with me. I do think that we're sorta on the same page....maybe?

Alison - posted on 10/20/2010

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I am pro-choice (not pro-abortion). I look at it from the point of view of what is best for society as a whole. I recently read the book "Freakonomics" which addresses the reality that anti-abortion laws are detrimental to a society. Anti-abortion laws, by definition, create unwanted children, which causes a rise in crime rates.

I think efforts should be made to protect girls and women against incest and other forms of rape, to educate women on the proper use of birth control and to make it readily available. Making abortion illegal does not resolve the problem. And truthfully, only a handful of the unwanted children actually end up in an orphanage. The teenager, may put her child up for adoption, but the professional in her mid-thirties and the mother of 5 will not...

Stasia - posted on 10/17/2010

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I respect every womans right to do what she wants with her own body, the problem is, abortion involves a baby's body too.

I am absolutely pro life

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Jennifer - posted on 10/04/2011

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Anti-abortion and yes, I would adopt. I've made the offer a few times, and was dead serious, and the women I made the offer to knew it. Most women want the baby gone, though, not adopted. Almost all of them are dealing with more than just a surprise baby. Until we help the moms the infants will keep being killed. Hating will never be the answer to killing.

I also love shows that point out problems we have and can bring up issues with some sort of humor. People need to get over themselves, and look at both sides.

Leeann - posted on 10/04/2011

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First of all I Love Family Guy and completely agree that it does bring to light most people dont have the balls to speak about. In saying that I myself is Pro-Life, but for others Pro-Choice. I wouldnt want the right to choose taken away from me why would I want another's rights taken away.

Julie - posted on 12/21/2010

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Just some thoughts too...MOST not ALL rape is a man trying to have power over a women and doesn't infact result in the transfer of semen. Most miscarriges happen due to defects in the child that prevent them from thriving therefor its the bodys way of rejecting the "unhealthy" baby-I think we need to let our bodies make the decision.

Julie - posted on 12/21/2010

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I'm PRO LIFE...I believe the the only choice we have is whether or not we open our legs:)

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I am pro live when it comes to my own decisions. Unless it was a life threatening decision. As for other people, they deserve to make that decision for themselves. If they want to abort, its not my place to judge them.

Clarissa - posted on 12/19/2010

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I am pro-life, i would not under any circumstances have a n abortion. But i believe people should have a choice as well, so i guess thats somewhere in between. What i cannot stand are the women who use abortion as a form of birth control!

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I agree, you can be pro-choice without being pro-abortion. I don't think anyone who is pro-choice is excitable about abortions or the process BUT we recognize that it's not our decision.

April - posted on 10/28/2010

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@ Dana, although i am pro choice, I really struggle with it. The nerve endings for pain are laid down in a fetus around the 7th week of gestation. It is unethical to do a study on whether they feel pain at that time (or any time).

However, for me...that's enough to not ever have an abortion for myself. I can't just assume that he or she doesn't feel pain because the tools for feeling pain are there so early.

With such strong feelings, I should be pro-life right? I want to be...but then I feel like I'm betraying my gender. Women have fought so hard to be treated more equally. Women are more than just baby making machines. To outlaw abortion...well it would send the wrong message about women and their bodies.

I believe you CAN be pro choice, yet be against abortion.

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You're pro-choice and your laws support that. I get it! I feel the same way. It's disturbing to me too but who in the hell is out having an abortion just for the fuck of it past 24 weeks? It doesn't happen. That's all I'm trying to say. There's no reason for us to put those restrictions on people because it just doesn't happen very often. Either the laws support our stance OR you won't be able to find a medical professional willing to preform one without a valid reason. Let's leave it up to them. Everyone who is pro-choice agrees that it's not OUR choice to choose for someone else......leave it up to the people responsible for making that decision.

Rosie - posted on 10/27/2010

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dana for me personally, i am pro-choice with some restrictions past 24 weeks for medical reasons-which i'm pretty sure is the law in the united states anyway.
you ask how i can be pro-choice and put circumstances on it, and my response to that would be after 24 weeks the fetus can live. it can be it's own seperate person from me at that point of gestation. once my choice starts to affect another persons life is when it becomes unacceptable to me. :)

Jen - posted on 10/26/2010

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I understand what you're sayin Dana! If you're pro-choice that means you agree that it's a woman's choice. You can't make stipulations on a choice, then it ceases to really be a choice... Just like you can't be pro-life and say except in blah blah terms.. because then you aren't... that's what you meant right??

I am pro-choice.
I waited til I was married to have a child (now 2.5mos) and I am soooo happy I did on soooo many levels. BUT!! If I had gotten pregnant at a young age (I'm 27 now) I would have had one. If my daughter came to me at age 16 and told me she was pregnant, I would suggest it. NOT PUSH THE ISSUE, but suggest it. Maybe that makes me a bad person in some people's eyes but I don't care. Having a child while still a child is unfair on both ends.. in most cases. Some teen mothers turn out to be awesome parents. Maybe someone would tell me if the 16yr old had good parents she wouldn't have gotten preg, but I had a pretty good upbringing and my first time was at 15 and teenagers make dumb decisions. I know made my fair share. That however doesn't mean I personally believe that makes abortion the right answer to it all. But I do believe that it should remain a woman's choice. It's your business what you choose to do with your body.

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Rebecca, good luck finding a doctor who will abort a child at 30 weeks JUST because the mom doesn't want it anymore? Nope, not gonna happen.



And TYPICALLY late term abortions are preformed when there is a medical reason.

Rebecca - posted on 10/26/2010

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I really don't understand the late term abortions.. Why wouldnt they just take the baby by c-section and adopt it out? I have a son (7months) and did not refer to him as a baby until 5-6 months when he would be able to survive outside of the womb. To me, that is definately a grey area. In those cases, where a baby can breathe, and move, and respond, I just can't imagine aborting. I know that to be pro-choice, you don't necessarily have to agree with everything someone does, but agree that they should have the choice. I just think there should be some limitations. At say... 10 weeks, it is a woman's body, and they should have the choice, but at 30 weeks, it isn't just her body anymore.

Isobel - posted on 10/25/2010

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most late term abortions are a result of danger to the mother or deformities in the fetus that are incompatible with life.



No there are no laws in Canada regarding abortions. period.



Before 12 weeks you can generally have the procedure done in a hospital under general anesthetic (and it's covered by our evil socialist government medical plan), later than that you usually have to go to an abortion clinic and do it while you are awake.



after 22 weeks I doubt you'd find anybody willing to perform one without some pretty serious problems to justify it.



as for this...

"People, I really don't understand how you can say you're pro-choice but then proceed to put limitations on that. It just doesn't make sense to me."



it's exactly the same as all the people who say they are pro-life except in the cases of small children who are raped by their father and get pregnant...or except if the mother's going to die...



I don't get what you don't get about the fact that most people fall into the gray scale in the middle.



very few people are indeed 100% either way.

April - posted on 10/25/2010

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I am pro-choice, but would never suggest abortion to anyone. I would never have one myself, either. I do wish that there was a national law against abortions after 20 weeks. I know this law has passed in a few states. I don't like the idea of abortion at any stage, but I also don't like the idea of women being told what to do with their bodies. Wish there was some sort of national happy medium!

Laura - posted on 10/24/2010

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I LOVE Family Guy! Haven't seen this one yet...but I will!

I'm pro-choice. I have had an elective abortion that was the absolute best choice I ever made at that time in my life--NO REGRETS! I have also given birth to a healthy daughter (12 years old now) that was also the absolute best choice I made made at that time in my life--NO REGRETS! I'm just thankful I live in a country that allowed me to make those choices. The reasons I made the choices I did when I did in my life are no one's business but my own. I, personally, don't view "Life" as beginning at conception; "Life" actually begins when we are born and take our first breath. "Life" ends when we exhale for the last time. So even though I felt may daughter kick, heard her heartbeat, I did not consider "alive" until I heard her first wail of a cry! THEN I knew she was full "Life"! Just my perspective...

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I am pro choice. But after having just had a quick search to see what was available and one of the site i looked at my tummy is churning. I feel sickened. I'm not sure why. I know women need to have the option but the site kept talking about making a decision early (obvioulsy) and talking in weeks and all i could think about was 12 weeks is a stage that when we get to we start to tell people. Although i could never wait that long. I don't think i could have an abortion over 12 weeks. I felt my second child moving from 14 weeks. But yes i'm pro choice even though i doubt i would ever understand another womans reasons.

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After doing MUCH research before responding to you Alison, I couldn't actually find any clinics that admittedly do late term abortions BUT, from my understanding they are extremely rare but they ARE preformed in Canada. In Canada, they are preformed at hospitals by a specialist with a doctors referal or at a private clinic, depending on the clinic. Like I said, I couldn't find any clinics who willing admit to doing them although one did offer counseling and referals for late term abortions but didn't state where it would be preformed. Canada has one of the lowest rates of late term abortions.

I did however find this. http://www.canadiansforchoice.ca/index2....

"Late-term Abortion in Canada



Many anti-choice and misinformed individuals would have Canadians believe that a woman in Canada can access abortion services at any point during the nine months of pregnancy. This belief is hugely inaccurate and serves only to appeal to the emotional response of people in trying to prevent the acceptance of abortion as a critical reproductive health service. In Canada, a woman cannot have an elective abortion past 24 weeks gestation. There are simply no doctors and no facilities that will allow for an elective termination at that point. In fact, there are only a few doctors in the entire country who are willing to perform abortions past 20 weeks. As there are different methods of abortion, each woman’s pregnancy is individually assessed by a doctor to help decide which method is safest and best for her. However, since abortion services after 20 weeks are not easily available in Canada, many women who seek an abortion at this point must either travel to another province or to the United States, or must continue to carry the pregnancy to term.



Despite what some may believe about the availability of late-term abortion services in Canada, Statistics Canada has reported that less than 1% of abortions take place past 20 weeks gestation.[1] The fact remains that nearly 90% of abortions in Canada take place before 13 weeks gestation. The belief that a woman makes the choice to have an abortion easily and without giving it much thought is especially inaccurate in instances of late-term abortion. Many women who have an abortion after 20 weeks originally wanted to have a child, but chose to have an abortion after discovering that her foetus was severely or fatally impaired, or upon the discovery that her own health or life is endangered. Other women need to access abortion services past 20 weeks because of extremely long wait-times or, especially in the case of young teenagers, because they were either not aware that they were pregnant or were in denial about being pregnant until the symptoms were no longer unavoidable. Whatever the reason a woman seeks to have an abortion past 20 weeks gestation, Canadians must know: abortion services in Canada are not uniformly accessible and late-term abortions are much more rare and difficult to access than abortions that take place within the first trimester of pregnancy."

So, apparently I was wrong. We do preform late term abortions but not for any or all reasons. MY BAD!

Alison - posted on 10/21/2010

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Dana, my understanding was that Canadians have to go to the States for late abortions.

Barb - posted on 10/21/2010

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Although I've never cared for family guy, that is a very good point that was made, caring more for the unborn than ones who are born and living unwanted and unloved in facilities.

Personally i don't think i could ever have an abortion, no matter the circumstance, rape, death, etc. I know i was given that option and the very idea made me sick and hateful to anyone who suggested it.

At the same time however, i don't feel it is my right to ever dictate how someone else should live their life. So i don't know what i am. For my personal body, I'm pro life, for other peoples' bodies, I guess I'm pro choice?

Charlie - posted on 10/20/2010

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Im saying while i disagree with some reasons for abortion i know the choice has to be there reguardless of reason , i dont think i have to like it to agree with pro choice do i ?

I dont think i ever said i want to make abortion illegal far from it , i believe a woman has a right to choice , its her body those arent reasons for abortion only just my personal take on when i may consider it illness , rape , incest not really what i expect should be a rule .

Im just saying for those that say never , there are all areas of grey that need to be considered and these reasons are the very point of keeping abortion legal , if someone wants to have an abortion purely because they couldnt be assed using a condom then thats her perogative i still thinks its a shitty reason doesnt change the fact abortion should be legal though .

LOL does that make sense .

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But, Loureen - if you're not willing to vote against choice and make abortions illegal except in those rare circumstances, then IMO, you're not really pro-choice. I truly mean that with the utmost respect. I don't understand it - you either support choice or you don't....in my humble opinion of course. To me, it doesn't matter what I would do in my own personal situation - the law dictates how I feel about being pro-choice. In Canada, abortions are legal and preformed at any and all gestational ages for different reasons, although it is very difficult to find someone to preform a late stage abortion.

Anyhow, I hope I'm sorta making sense?

Rebecca - posted on 10/20/2010

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i am pro-choice. I don't think anyone knows exactly what they would do if they were in a horrible situation.

Charlie - posted on 10/20/2010

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"People, I really don't understand how you can say you're pro-choice but then proceed to put limitations on that. It just doesn't make sense to me."

Well i think there are extenuating circumstances that need the option of abortion , i personally do not agree with abortion as a form of birth control or late term abortions ( past 15 weeks even 15 weeks is a lot for me personally ) because ive held my 15 week gestation baby in my arms and well......he was a baby , however i cannot be anti abortion because there are reasons why the choice needs to be available and while i dont agree with all reasons for abortion the simple fact is there needs to be a choice and in the end i most likely will never know who has an abortion and all i can do is make choices for myself .....key word being choice .

I think people should focus harder on sex education to reduce unwanted pregnancy in the first place instead of picketting clinics .

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Stasia, I don't care how many times someone else decides to have an abortion. It's not my body. As for fetal age - for me personally, I don't think I would consider an abortion past 24 weeks but ask me again when I'm in that situation. Like I said, I am pro-choice and I don't get to choose for anyone else where their limits are. I am pro-choice for any and all reasons a woman deems necessary! I might not agree with their choices but I'm certainly don't want to take that choice away from them. I don't know there situation.



People, I really don't understand how you can say you're pro-choice but then proceed to put limitations on that. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Beck - posted on 10/20/2010

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I'm sorry do we really need this debate again!? This is getting silly, no matter what way you put it in the OP it is still the same arguement and still gets the same arguements.

Charlie - posted on 10/19/2010

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Pro choice for rape , incest and illness .

If i had to choose between dying and leaving behind my kids or aborting a cluster of cells , i would stay for my kids thats really the only reason i would do it but to make that choice there has to be one ( a choice ) to begin with .

Stasia - posted on 10/19/2010

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Dana, when you say any, do you really mean any? What if it has happened multiple times? At what fetal age does it stop being ok?

Caitlin - posted on 10/19/2010

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pro-choice. I'm glad women have the right to choose, but it's not a choice to be taken lightly. I'm glad that I have never been put in the horrible position of making that huge decision because both my girls were wanted and their ultrasounds normal...

Jayde - posted on 10/18/2010

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In my opinion, my view & not judgement, aborting an unborn baby is murder no matter what the circumstance. I don't like this subject cos people (not necessarily people on here, just in general) will never agree & it makes me feel ill when people talk about it like it's nothing...

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I dont know ..all i know is life is precious but sometimes there is no other choice..when a mothers life is in danger..a woman/girl has been brutally raped, getting pregnant as a victim of sexual abuse or incest.. or the unborn is severely disabled with no quality of life , you find yourself having to do something you dont agree with but sometimes the best choices are the hardest to make.Once you make that choice it lives with you until your dying breathe..it would with me if in any of those scenarios i stated.I wouldnt judge another in those scenarios either..i would feel disgusted if its used as a form of birth control..i have an issue with that.

If you see ME as a murderer for aborting in those situations i accept that.

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I love Family Guy =] I'm neither pro-choice or pro-life. I only see aboriont as acceptable in certain circumstances such as rape, the baby having an illness incompatible with life or the mother's life being in danger. I can see what they mean but an unborn child doesn't have the choice whether they live or die, a child waiting to be adopted is living.

Petra - posted on 10/17/2010

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I think this conversation has been had many times in many different threads recently. You can be pro-choice without advocating abortions as birth control, but to be pro-life without thinking that this attitude supports the creation of unwanted kids is ridiculous. Outlawing abortion would lead to many, many more kids in the system, as well as many, many more injured and dead mothers who tried to abort. There is no simple solution - but making abortion illegal would be a bad one.

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Didn;t we just have this conversation?!

I'm pro-choice. No one is going to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. Period. And I am glad we live in a society that gives women that choice as opposed to back-alley abortions of the past.

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