Is Pro-choice the same as Pro-abortion?

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Jaime - posted on 09/14/2010

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So the only choices are:



A. Pro-choice abortion

B. Pro-life abortion only for the health of the mother



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How can pro-choice be just "pro-choice abortion"? It's not even suggestive of that. Pro-choice, means 'in favour of choice'...it's really that simple. Pro-choice is neither for, nor against abortion in any circumstance. A woman might say that they are pro-choice but would choose not to abort, while still supporting another woman's choice to abort...it still makes them pro-choice...not pro-abortion. I don't see pro-choice as the opposite of pro-life, because people that support choice are respecting the rights of the people to make a choice.



Once upon a time, I was pro-choice, but if it came down to me being pregnant, I would never be able to opt for an abortion. I went through all the motions when I found out I was pregnant with my son and I even considered abortion (which completely surprised me). And now, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I were to fall pregnant in my current situation, with my current financial and emotional status, that I am NOT able or prepared to care for a fetus and later a child...I would absolutely opt for an abortion. I will do everything in my power to prevent a pregnancy from happening and have even considered a tubal ligation considering that birth control has already failed me once. My point being, that even with my preparedness and my want to be informed about responsible sexual practices, I could STILL fall pregnant against all odds...and it's just not the right time for me to have another baby. I am thankful that I have choices for this very reason.

Diane - posted on 09/14/2010

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If a womans life is in danger almost always there is no death. I believe in this case.......an abortion the way all you condone it should not be done. Ok then I am pro-life in 99+% of the time......whereas you are pro-choice 100% of the time.
Which side is overwhelmingly pro-life.

And which are you an A or a B Dana?

Krista - posted on 09/14/2010

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Physical health, or does emotional health count too? 'Cause if a woman was forced by law to carry a doomed baby with no brain, I'm thinking that'd do a bit of a number on her mental state...

Diane - posted on 09/14/2010

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If there was a nationwide vote and there were two choices..........
A, pro-choice abortion
B. pro-life abortion only for the health of the woman

Would you be A or B?

I want to establish peoples real position on this.

Don't need a lengthy explanation just an a or b will do.

Krista - posted on 09/14/2010

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We need a frigging Kinsey scale for abortion. "Pro-choice" and "pro-life" are just way too damned narrow to encompass the incredibly broad variety of opinions and thoughts on this topic.

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I do respect your decision to be pro-choice and I do understand why you feel that way, but I don't feel the same. I am not pro-choice for the reasons I've explained before. I DO understand that many of you would not get an abortion yourself, but support a women's right to choose one if she wants. I don't support a woman just not wanting a baby so she has an abortion. That's the difference between pro-choice and pro-life and there are extremes on both ends. Yes, it sounds like we're all in the middle, but since you support a women's right to end a healthy pregnancy and I don't we can't both be pro-choice. Does that make sense? I respect your opinion, but I don't agree.

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No I don't think the two are the same. I personally would not choose to have an abortion. I don't think it is right for me.
BUT I would rather someone else had the right to choose.
Why?
Because the number of women who died or ended up with serious complications in back room/ ally ways and their own homes from abortions being preformed on them by people who were not licensed or in sterile conditions etc is too large.
I would also rather a person who didn't think they could care for a baby properly did not bring one into the world where it would likely grow up in an environment of hostility and resentment because it was not wanted.
But they could put the baby up for adoption? There already are thousands of children in this world, locally and beyond who need adopting. Do we really need to add another child into the system? But that's a different discussion all together so I will leave it there.

-Nicole

Jaime - posted on 09/14/2010

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Once again Anika, you're spot on!



"in some cases preventing an unwanted child from entering this world means giving a fighting chance to the children already here."



This is EXACTLY how I feel when it comes to pro-choice/pro-life. Sometimes an abortion really is the BEST option for a woman. And giving a fighting chance to the children that are already in existence is far more conducive to the pro-life cause than worrying about all of the fetuses that are extracted by abortion. I don't think that anyone likes abortion--even the idiots that use it as a form of birth control. And as much as I think that there are plenty of women that need additional medical help (counseling, psychiatry, intervention) apart from an abortion...I still think that in a lot of cases, it IS the lesser of two evils and that is all the proof I need that it is and always will be a necessary choice for women to have.

Meghan - posted on 09/13/2010

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I am pro-life. Pro life in that a child has every right to be brought into a loving, nurturing, healthy, environment. Every woman should have the right to decide. And I am sorry, I just can't wrap my mind around this whole "just carry the baby and give it up for adoption" thing. REALLY?? If only it where that easy. A young girl is rapped by a family member-suck it up and carry the baby then just give it away. A young adult is brutally raped- yup, suck it up! It is totally ludicrous to me that anyone would think it's acceptable to govern a situation like this.

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Laura, we were obviously posting at the same time but you said it much better then me. With the exception of Starr, who graciously bowed out, we're all pro-choice to some extent.....some of us just lean further one way than the other.

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Sara, you said, " Maybe all abortions should be illegal in every circumstance. Is that better? I would think that you'd (the pro-choicers) would prefer pro-lifers that thought more like myself than the ones who are so hardcore they want every abortion to be illegal no matter what. So while you may not believe there is a spectrum of pro-life, I do. And I'm pro-life."

No, Sara, what I'm hoping for is some understanding for the pro-choicers who claim that even though they're pro-choice, they're also able to be pro-life. If pro-lifers can make exceptions, then why can't pro-choicers?

Isobel - posted on 09/13/2010

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if you believe in a "spectrum" then I have to believe you are one of us...just leaning further to the pro-life side of things...none of us are on the exact same place on the pro-choice spectrum :)

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But harm can be caused by going through with an unwanted pregnancy. Having an extra mouth to feed could push some people over the poverty line. It could mean that some people couldn't afford to feed or clothe or shelter all their existing children. A loving adopted/foster family place could be taken away from existing children. Resources could be taken away from existing disabled children.

in some cases preventing an unwanted child from entering this world means giving a fighting chance to the children already here.

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That's an extreme circumstance. I explained that earlier. I don't think a five year old could carry a baby to term without death being a possibilty. That's the spectrum...

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How can you say that you're pro-life when you would choose to let a person (already in existence) die just to protect the rights of an unborn fetus. I'm sorry, Starr, I know you're getting frustrated but I don't understand.

Quoting your comment, Starr. "How am I sounding like a hyprocrite? I dont think it should be legal. I dont think my daughter should have one. I dont agree in abortion. Yes, I guess that would mean I am taking away her right EXCEPT...they are not illegal. They probably never will be. Not all of us listen to what our parents want. Im not hypocritical Im just being honest. Deem me a horrible mother or person or whatever you want if you feel the need to because I dont agree with killing the babes!"

I have a few issues with what you said. Firstly, you basically said that it doesn't matter how you feel or what you think because they're aren't illegal BUT you would vote to have them made illegal? Is it just me or it's that contradicting? Secondly, I didn't/don't deem you a horrible mother or person - hell, I don't even necessarily think you're wrong.....I'm just trying to understand your stance and you've made some contradictory statements and I wanted clarification. We're here to debate, no? I have nothing against you personally and while I may not agree with certain aspect of your core beliefs I don't think you're a horrible person so please don't put suggest that's what I was thinking.

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Anika =) It's ok, I've just decided to leave the thread alone now. Apparently Im getting too emotional and sensitive over the subject.(I didnt even know i was sensitive, LOL) So because I see where you all are coming from and because I still opt pro-life I dont have anymore to say. Thanks for the debate, Im out.

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Well, maybe I'm convinced then. Maybe all abortions should be illegal in every circumstance. Is that better? I would think that you'd (the pro-choicers) would prefer pro-lifers that thought more like myself than the ones who are so hardcore they want every abortion to be illegal no matter what. So while you may not believe there is a spectrum of pro-life, I do. And I'm pro-life.

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@Starr, I am sorry for making you think about your daughter in those terms. I did say that it was terrible and I sincerely hoped you never had to be in that situation and I do mean that. I just wanted to see your views from another perspective. Personally, I don't like thinking about abortion decisions at all. Like I said, it is not a decision made lightly and I would only consider one under extreme circumstances. And then I'm not even sure if I could go through with one, even if I had been raped. I just don't want my choice, and your choice, and your daughter's choice, and my daughter's choice to be taken away from us. You choose life. But that is your choice. And I respect that and would wish you well if you ever were in that situation.
In my mind, there is no spectrum of pro life. You either are wholeheartedly or not at all. If there is even a 0.00001% chance in your mind that there could be a situation where an abortion could be necessary, well then you're pro choice.

And as an aside, Gee you guys are quick! I need to stop procrastinating so long over my posts! :)

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Sherri, I can respect "that when you take away anyone's rights are just wrong. It doesn't mean you have to do it or make use of that right but you still should have that right available to you"
I am not saying Im right but this is my belief. I am sure on another right like freedom to vote or whatever I would be upset if it were taken away form me. BUT, It's not harming another like abortion is harming a fetus.

Jaime - posted on 09/13/2010

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GAH! What sense does it make to speculate about the unborn? I don't even speculate about my son's future because it's not for me to say what he will become. To suggest that abortion is wrong because that fetus might be the next Jesus is just absurd!

Getting back to reality...
It just doesn't make sense to insist that a woman be responsible for the gestational care of a fetus that she does not want. If the pro-lifers are truly pro-life, then the concern should be for the life that is already in existence...no matter how irresponsible and immature that life is. The woman in question needs to learn how NOT to make bad choices that require abortions...not be chastised because she realized that she was unable to nurture the fetus growing inside her. It's not about taking the onus off of the woman. It's about making sure that every woman has a choice...to either be or not be pregnant.

I fully believe that proper, comprehensive, informative, sexual education is a HUGE factor in the decrease in abortion rates. Pro-choice supports choice, not one side or the other.

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Just like with every other pregnancy decision, I suppose your OB would. I don't know that I would vote to have abortions illegal because that will not make them stop, as many of you have pointed out.

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Dana, How am I sounding like a hyprocrite? I dont think it should be legal. I dont think my daughter should have one. I dont agree in abortion. Yes, I guess that would mean I am taking away her right EXCEPT...they are not illegal. They probably never will be. Not all of us listen to what our parents want. Im not hypocritical Im just being honest. Deem me a horrible mother or person or whatever you want if you feel the need to because I dont agree with killing the babes!

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Sara, do you require a doctor's note? Who decides then what is life threatening and who's life is more important? At what point does that happen? Can we not agree that it needs to be determined on a case by case basis?

Sherri - posted on 09/13/2010

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I think that when you take away anyone's rights are just wrong. It doesn't mean you have to do it or make use of that right but you still should have that right available to you.

We have the right to vote, we have the right of freedom of speech, we have the right to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol some of us choose to use these rights some do not. The one thing I think we can agree with though is we wouldn't want these rights taken away. They are rights afforded to us and weather we choose to use them or not we would want to be able to have that option.

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Also Anika, it's going to be very scarring either way if a 12 yr. old get raped and concieves. Wether she were to have the baby or have an abortion it will be verry scarring. Why do we have to bring the conversation this far? Noone should have to think about their daughter getting raped anf the hurt that they will have to go through. Thats like next asking well if you know the guy would you kill him? Of course I don't believe in murder but we all can do some crazy things when it comes to protecting our babies. Im trying to explain my opinion and views but you are really making this thread very uncomfortable.

Isobel - posted on 09/13/2010

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she chooses what to do with her own body...so the word is PRO-CHOICE...drop it.



I am curious though, about the one situation that I posted about earlier...the youngest mother ever...5 years old...do you believe that a 5 year old should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term knowing that it would either kill her or maim her permanently?

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So, Starr.....you would vote to make abortions illegal in any and ALL situations. You do realize that would take away your daughter's right to choose one for herself, right? You said you would leave that decision up to her, yet you've clearly said that you want ALL abortions illegal, which would in essence, make it impossible for your daughter to have a safe legal abortion SO you're NOT letting her make that choice for herself. I'm sorry but you sound like a hypocrite.

*ducks and runs for cover*

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Dana, that's NOT pro-choice. Again according to the definition provided by Jodi:
"pro-life adjective /ˌprəʊˈlaɪf//ˌproʊ-/ adj opposed to the belief that a pregnant woman should have the freedom to choose an abortion (= the intentional ending of pregnancy) ****if she does not want to have a baby**** " I don't support a woman accidently getting pregnant and just not wanting the baby so she gets an abortion. In the definition life or death situations are not included. So I guess that's the grey area, but I'm still pro-life because I don't think women should choose abortion just because they don't want the baby.

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Oh wow Anika. I will try to explain better. Ok..As being her legal gaurdian..and thats if saying there is an age limit on having an abotion(is there? Does one have to be "of age") Anyways, I will teach my daughter my beliefs. It doesnt mean that she will follow. I hope that she does. But as we all know in reality we don't always follow what we are taguht is right. I cant force her to not have an abortion. I will deffinatly try. I don't know how better to explain it.

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Aw shucks Jo :)

Starr, you're confusing me. So you're saying that if your daughter was raped and became pregnant at 12, you would leave it up to her to decide and yet you're saying you're staunchly Pro Life? If you believe abortion is wrong under all circumstances then why are you giving her the choice? You are her legal guardian in charge of all medical decisions pertaining to her. Why would you then give her the choice? If you're not Pro Choice? Please explain?

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Yikes Dana! Right, I do not. I believe in miracles. I believe that whatever is suppose to happen will. I do not believe in any circumstances that abortion is an option.

Please dont think that I am downing anyone who believes differently than me. I;m not saying anyone is wrong in their beliefs. I am 100% pro-life. Thats all.

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Starr, I just want to clarify something? You are saying, that even when deemed medically necessary by a doctor, you're not in support of abortion? Teresa and Sara claim they would make the exception for necessary medical interventions.....you don't?

Jodi - posted on 09/13/2010

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Starr, I understand your beliefs :) I don't like abortion as an option either, but I just won't take that choice away from other women, as Nikki said. I don't believe I have that right.

And I will also never say never about anything. I always think choices should exist for any extreme circumstance, so I would never vote to take it away, whether it be abortion, right to homeschool, euthanasia, anything (yeah, I know euthanasia isn't legal, but I support restricted legalisation of that too).

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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Laura, I see what you are saying. I don't use the term pro-abortion. It probably is used in hurtful terms. Im just answering the question. Again, I am not saying it is an appropriate word.

Starr - posted on 09/13/2010

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So then I am saying that I will never choose abortion for myself or anyone else. I've said it before that I can't force my opinion on someone but I still don't agree with it. Doesn't mean I'm right or you all or right. It's just what I BELIEVE.

Jodi - posted on 09/13/2010

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You know, after this discussion, and all the hazy definitions, I am quite obviously a bit of both :) Do you think we can be a bit of both?

Isobel - posted on 09/13/2010

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I'm just trying to make a point that the word "pro-abortion" is simply an emotionally charged word created to intend harm to people who are indeed pro-choice...

my point is words become ridiculous if you push them around enough

Nikki - posted on 09/13/2010

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I LOVE what you said too Anika, it is exactly how I feel, I would never want an abortion for myself, but I also would NEVER wan't to take the right away from someone who might.

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"I understand there are horrifying situations where the baby or mom will not survive and they may choose abortion. I can support (for lack of a better word) that decision and still be pro-life."



THAT is pro-choice. LMAO! I don't understand how you don't see that? By your thinking then, I'm pro-life also, EXCEPT, I'm not, and neither are you because we're both agreeing that there are situations that warrant an abortion and it's the mother's CHOICE. If you can understand that there are horrifying situations where the mom or baby won't survive, and they may choose an abortion AND you've clearly stated that you can support that, (for lack of a better word), then how can you not understand that THAT makes you pro-choice AND pro-life. Isn't that what the rest of us are saying? Hmmm?

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