MTV 16 and Preg. Tackles Abortion...

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Markai Durham, 16 and Pregnant Star, Under Fire Over Abortion Special



MTV somehow managed to upstage the antics of Teen Mom firebrand Amber Portwood this week with a controversial episode of 16 and Pregnant.



The special, entitled "No Easy Decision," chronicled the decision of Markai Durham, 19, to terminate her second pregnancy. Yes. She had an abortion.



Durham already has a daughter with her teenage boyfriend, and the couple concluded, sadly, that they simply couldn't afford to raise another child.



19 AND PREGNANT: Markai Durham made the decision to end her second pregnancy. Reactions to this vary widely depending on one's view of abortion.



While Entertainment Weekly called the MTV reality show a "vivid, unsparing look" at a "harrowing decision," Fox News described the special as "controversial."



The N.Y. Post reports that anti-abortion critics railed against the "one-sided portrayal" of the issue, saying "the pro-life issue will simply get tackled."



For her part, Markai Durham is standing by her decision saying, "I get sad from time to time thinking about it, but then everything happens for a reason."



A post on Durham's Facebook fan page sought to quell negativity as well:



"Let me say this again: If you DONT like Markai or her decision. UNLIKE the page, its simple. Markai feels enough pain for making her choice, she DOESNT need to be ridiculed for it. Shes been honest with you when she could have hid it."



"Have some respect or leave! Seriously there are plenty of pages "talking (expletive)" so go there. Dont waste your time, Im just going to ban you."



If nothing else, you have to credit Markai for courageously subjecting herself to the criticism she knew she'd face when this special episode aired.



Was their decision not to have a child they couldn't afford actually responsible? Why not practice safe sex? Is it all unethical? So many questions.



Statistics show 1 in 3 people in America have had an Abortion.



No matter where you stand on the pro-life issue, abortions do happen. What do you think? Did MTV tackle the subject fairly? Share your comments.

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Kate CP - posted on 12/30/2010

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Wow. That's really harsh and judgmental Brittany. So you would rather her end up on government assistance and barely see her kids because she'd be working so much? How is THAT fair?

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@Brittany -- I've said this before in other forums, but giving birth to a child isn’t the only consequence of having sex -- having an abortion IS a consequence of having sex too. You may not like it as an option, but a pregnant woman has three options as a consequence of an unplanned pregnancy: continue the pregnancy and raise the child, have an abortion, or carry the pregnancy and give the child up for adoption. Women don’t deliberately get pregnant just so they can experience an abortion.
I personally think it’s silly and overly simplistic for people to say “don’t have sex” if you don’t want to get pregnant. There is only a very small window of time in any given month when a woman can get pregnant and this girl and her boyfriend were using birth control anyway. Sex isn’t just about making babies, people. If it was, then you should be advocating banning all women over the age of 50 (and all married couples where the women is over 50) from having sex since they can’t make babies anymore. You should also be advocating that no one have sex outside their fertile period as well if that’s truly what you believe. My husband and I aren’t planning on having any more children after the two I am carrying now are born – does that mean we just hang up on having sex for the rest of our marriage because we don’t want any more kids?
Frankly, I think referring to abortion as “killing” a child is inflammatory and factually inaccurate, as are references to throwing kids in the trash. Abortion is not a decision a women arrives at lightly and such rhetoric really trivializes a very difficult decision. I also think her current child, to the extent her parents choose to ever discuss the abortion with their first child, will understand and appreciate the difficult choice her parents made. The parents are in the best position to judge what is in the best interest of their family, including their existing child, and they obviously made the choice in favor of abortion. That makes them good parents for recognizing their limitations.

Johnny - posted on 01/04/2011

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That is your feeling about your baby/fetus. I would agree with that sentiment. I could never imagine feeling like the life growing within me is simply a parasite. I can not, however, expect all people to hold the same feelings as I do towards their baby. For someone desperately wishing not to be pregnant, that fetus may well be a parasite. It does actually fit the technical definition. I do not have the right to impose my emotional attachments on to others. Many many pro-choice people would never consider having an abortion themselves. It is simply that they are defending an individual's right to act on their own feelings about what is going on within their own body. It would be wrong of me to call your baby a parasite and tell you to rid yourself of it, just as I feel it would be wrong of me to tell a woman that she should care for what she sees as a parasite growing in her.

Kate CP - posted on 12/30/2010

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I also just have to add that I am constantly blown away by the lack of compassion women seem to have for other women.

Kate CP - posted on 01/01/2011

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FYI: When a fetus is aborted it's not thrown in a trash can. It's considered medical infectious waste and is incinerated. So there are no aborted baby fetuses sitting in land fills. Unless some one had a miscarriage at home and decided to just toss the fetal remains in the trashcan.

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sometimes people don't use protection because its so expensive! a box of condoms is nearly $20 a three month supply of the pill is $30 implanon is $30 plus two doctor's fees depo is around $30 and whatever the doctor charges. I know abortions can be very expensive too and maybe she follows a faith that allows contraception such as withdrawal and the rhythm method maybe they thought that night they were "safe" ie Markai was not in ovulation. I think shes very brave to air this publicly and to be honest i think she did the right thing in a round a bout kind of way they couldn't afford a second child so they aborted at least that child wouldn't grow up without enough food or clothes

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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Anyone is stupid if they dont use birth control at all and get pregnant then complain and cry about it, i know birth control fails but why does the baby have to be terminated because of an accident? We could argue about this till everyone is blue in the face and aggravated there is no point every one has there own beliefs and opinions and thats not going to change so im just going to drop it because im tired and sick and i have to tend to my kids. Sorry if i offended anyone or mad you mad wasn't my intention.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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Did i say you or all teen moms were stupid and irresponsible NO i said the ones who decide to have sex get pregnant and CAN"T support there children and live off other people and then they stay with there no good looser boyfriends. I said teenagers not adults and not anyone on here. If your a responsible mother and take care of your children than good for you thats what mother's are supposed to do and all mothers try and do the best they can like you said you took my comment as i was saying you were stupid and not perfect and thats not what i said or meant. And yea if i was a teenage mother sticking with my no good looser boyfriend i wish someone would slap me and give me a wake up call.

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Just as a reminder, adult women make up the majority of abortions. Are they all stupid too for having unplanned pregnancies?

Clarissa - posted on 01/06/2011

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So caring for your child the best you can makes you stupid and irresponsible? Noone is perfect dear, i dont live off welfare or my parents, but i care for my son the best i can, which is what any one who has a child is trying to do.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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Well i was a teen mom also but, teenagers who have unplanned pregnancies and can't support there kids without living off welfare or living off there parents are stupid and irresponsible in my opinion or the teenagers who complain about not being able to be a teenager any more. Those teenagers are irresponsible, and some girls on 16 and pregnant there boyfriends treat them like shit and they keep going back to them because they say they love him and he will change those girls moms need to slap some sense into them! And sorry Brandi thats not what i meant in putting it in quotes i meant that is others use that word because they feel its not a baby yet and i do. And Sherri i know she was on the shot but was her boyfriend using condoms or just thinking oh the shot wont fail. Even when i was on the pill me and my husband used condoms also just to be safer.

Clarissa - posted on 01/06/2011

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and NIkkole, how can you sit there and say teenagers are stupid for getting pregnant. Are you assuming that I am stupid, since I am a teen mother? FYI you can still get pregnant while using birth control, condoms etc. they are never 100% And these "dumb teenagers" are mothers just like you, me, and everyone else on this site. Having a baby doesnt make you dumb or stupid. its the decisions you make to handle it. and yes alot of the mothers on the show are not imformed, and live in a fantasy world, that raising a child is a breeze. But there also are the ones who have their child and care for them as good as any older mother would.

Denise - posted on 01/06/2011

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@Nikkole - According to your definition, it's still murder. If you're concerned about that baby having 'so many problems' are you okay with aborting fetuses with handicaps? Or if the mom's a drug addict or lives a lifestyle where that kid could grow up and become the same, or be abused him/herself?

An abortion is an abortion no matter how you cut it. You can't say one human deserves to live and another to die. I'm pro-choice, and the argument of 'just in these cases' irks me to no end sometimes - and it would if I were on the other side of the fence, too. And if a person doesn't want a baby, you want that child to have to grow up in a house where they're resented and unwanted? I think if you want to argue about quality of life, you're digging your hole even deeper.

Brandi - posted on 01/06/2011

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Being a pro-choice person, I respect everyone's choice. I think if you wanted to give your baby up for adoption, you should be able to do it without being judged by others. It would be your situation so I would assume that you would know what is best. I know, having given birth and being a parent and also terminating a pregnancy, I could not go through with an adoption arrangement and neither could my husband.

There are so many girls on 16 & Pregnant who keep their babies, even though their circumstances are not good to start a family in. Their boyfriends are immature, unfaithful, jobless, and emotionally abusive. They aren't finished with school. They don't have their own place to live. They aren't even adults. And yet one girl makes a decision that is different, and this is the kind of judgement she gets.

How is it better to have a baby you can't support? You can't stop being concerned about human lives once they are on the outside of their mother. The issues don't end just because the baby is born. They need more than parents who love them but can't raise them.

The issue of people being ill-informed or just plain ignorant about birth control and pregnancy prevention is no surprise. It's been going on forever. Should teenagers wait to have sex? Yes. But the idea that a teenager who has already given birth and is living with the father of her child should simply stop having sex is unrealistic. It isn't going to happen. Teens have always had sex and will continue to have sex. Preaching that to a girl who has already having sex is pretty pointless.

And I know some people think a fetus isn't a baby, but you quoted fetus as though I used the wrong word. I didn't intend to use it to dehumanize or anything, it's just the accurate term.

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Not to mention the fact she was obviously willing to have an abortion if sex resulted in an unplanned pregnancy. Which I guess means it was OK to have sex according to that logic.

Sherri - posted on 01/06/2011

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Nikkole she didn't have two children without birth control. She tried to protect herself w/the depo shot this time around and had some misinformation about it hence the second pregnancy. She was trying to do the right thing and protect herself.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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Oh sorry didn't answer your first question some people on here don't believe a fetus is a baby until they are born and can live on there own. Im not saying everyone but some.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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Well for me yea if i was faced with a decision either to keep,abort, or adopt out and i know i coudn't afford i would find a nice family for my child i would rather live with my kid being raised by a good family then having what if's run through my mind like i siad before i would have an open adoption or i would try to find a family member who would adopt my child. If she was concerned about her first child's welfare then like i said use multiple forms of bith control in case ONE fails or don't have sex its really not that hard to not have sex everyone acts like NO one can just say no to sex until they get through school or do whatever they need to do before maybe making another child. Its very simple dont have sex till your ready for ALL the things that come with it not just pregnancies but also possible std's! I respect what your saying and i respect other opinions also but i have mine and thats just that i wont change on this subject. She knew that she would get a lot of heat about this and putting it out there and she was brave for doing so but like i said before everyone has opinions and EVERYONE judges at some point in there lifes its not like im saying SHE's going to hell for this and blah blah blah, i feel it is murder for no other reason than just not being able to afford a baby. Im done arguing my view and why i feel the way i do! Again i respect your opinion and everyone else;s on here to.

Brandi - posted on 01/06/2011

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Why do you put fetus in quotes? Do you think it's inaccurate? Just curious.

It's fine to give your comments, but the point of MTV tackling this issue is to give a fair representation of a young woman choosing abortion. It's about time. The only thing you ever hear about young women choosing abortion is propaganda from the extremist right to lifers. I was glad to see a show that involved a girl who DID weigh her options, made her choice, and moved on with her life. It didn't show her just happily skipping her way into the abortion clinic and it didn't show her regretting her decision either. It showed that ANY decision with unplanned pregnancy is difficult.

When you make rude comments and label this girl as a "murderer" you really just shoot your credibility to hell. She didn't make some heartless decision. She made a decision for the CHILD she already does have. She knew she could never go through with an adoption and can you blame her? I know I couldn't. She wants a good life for her baby and she knows her baby can't have the things she needs if she brings another child into their lives. It was a family decision, a parenting decision. One you have NO RIGHT to judge. As a mother, you should at the very least respect that she was concerned for her first child's welfare.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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The op said share your comments so i did and when i did others said things about my comments thats the only reason i continued. I honestly dont care what others do i just feel strongly against killing a "fetus" or as i see it a baby for no reason. Most of the kids on 16 and pregnant are just stupid I honestly have only ever heard of maybe 2 people on this show who actually used birth control! This show is just shows how dumb teenagers can be and it just makes me sad that lots of teenagers out there are soo misinformed or they just dont care if most of these kids used protection the right way all these unwanted pregnancies could have been avoided and some abortions could be avoided. Parents need to be more involved in there kids life's and not just teach abstinence only and teach kids to use birth control properly! Sorry for the rant didn't mean for this to be that long :P

Brandi - posted on 01/06/2011

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Nikkole, I called you an immature little girl because you reply as though you are. You are obnoxious, judgemental, and unwilling to look at the reality of the situation. And with your second reply, you only reiterated that.

Let me explain this again-it doesn't matter what YOU think. This wasn't your decision. It doesn't matter how you personally view abortion. I can respect that you view any human life as invaluable. That's your perogative. But the way you feel shouldn't be so important and righteous enough that you can legislate how other people live their lives. Plain and simple. YOU would have made a different choice. That is great. If the situation ever arises for you, make your choice. You're free to do it. And so are others.

And I find it quite funny that abortion is murder UNLESS the mother was raped. Then what is it? Justifiable homicide? Because whether the mother was raped or not, the fetus is still the same living thing. Abortion is the same act. The result is the same. If you're going to make a statement like "Abortion is murder" at least be logical here.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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@ Denise If a girl were raped by a family member that baby could have soo many problems and if the girl who was raped was 12 or 13 that is a horrible situation no its not the child's fault thats the situation i ment but i didnt state that sorry, for me if i were raped i would have the baby but i know some wouldn't! . Your right but i think i teeter on the line of pro choice and pro life im more towards the line of pro life i just think if theres no medical reason or rape involved and she had one child already then she shouldn't have gotten the abortion. Thanks for pointing that out to me :)

Denise - posted on 01/06/2011

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@Nikkole - How can you say you're pro life and feel abortion is murder and then say that it's okay in two circumstances? Isn't it still murder, then? Do you believe the baby from a rape doesn't have the same rights as another baby? You think that the child is guilty of the father's crime? That simply isn't right.

There is no grey area when it comes to arguments like that. You cannot argue the moral of 'it's murder' and turn around and say 'but it's okay to murder IF . . . '

And just to split hairs, approving of abortion even in a few small cases still makes you pro-choice - just very limited, strict pro-choice.

Nikkole - posted on 01/06/2011

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@Brandi Bowman Im am not an immature LITTLE GIRL that is what this women did she killed something inside her that was living. And i would have given that second child a better life and given it to a family member or found a loving home and had an open adoption and Im mature because i didnt have two kids before i knew i couldn't afford them. Its not like i go on Facebook on teen mom and bash her for her decision and call her names im stating MY opinion and so is everyone else so sorry that i think differently than YOU, I think abortion is murder and should ONLY be done in rape or if the mother is going to die! Like i said im not being immature how is explaining what an abortion is immature it is killing your eliminating a living thing from your body.

Quianna - posted on 01/06/2011

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I admire her courage for not only sharing her first pregnancy story, then also this one- no matter how controversial. She has been getting the shot but either missed one or wasn't exactly sure how it worked and became pregnant. So she did take the necessary precautions to to avoid another pregnancy but things happen. She weighed all of her options and she and her boyfriend decided what was best for their family. For those who post comments without having seen this episode- please check it out. It was heartbreaking to watch, and even more so to imagine how she feels- because it was SO obvious had she thought she could keep her baby- she would have. Women are giving 3 options when pregnant- and while I couldn't handle ever having an abortion the choice is still there. (FYI I'm almost certain the special said that she was only about 6 or 7wks along)

Denise - posted on 01/06/2011

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I haven't seen this either, but I noticed Brandi replied to the topic and couldn't resist doing so myself. I feel bad for anyone who is caught in a situation where they have to make a decision like this. I think it's great that another option was put out there on this show - that girls in that situation have more choices than just having the baby. It is still a consequence and it is still hard, but it's valid, people do it, and I think it's only fair to include it in a show about teen pregnancy.

That said, I wish Mirena would be more recommended for teenage mothers; I know that it's more reserved for married couples because they're worried about STDs . . . but I find that rather silly. Obviously resorting to "Do this and a backup method" is failing, so people ARE having sex without condoms. Might as well stop them from procreating even if you can't get people to wrap their junk.

Brandi - posted on 01/06/2011

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I have yet to watch this episode, but I have it DVR'd. Hopefully Isla naps long enough for me to get caught up on my shows!

Anyway, I applaud Markai. She made a mature decision and I am proud of her for being open and unashamed of it. The pro-life side doesn't matter. That's what gets me about pro-lifers. Their "side of the story" is really irrelevant. They don't have a story. It wasn't their body, their pregnancy, or their decision. The consequences aren't theirs to be dealt with. They've just really no place all together.

To the immature little girl who said that Markai's first child will have to grow up knowing her mother "killed" her sibling:

Shame on you and grow up. So you would have made a different choice. Yaaaaay, let's all pat you on the back. I personally think it is sad that you, knowing you couldn't support another child, would have it anyway instead of thinking about the child you already have. That's just me though. See how fun it is to judge?

Clarissa - posted on 01/05/2011

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I personally do not agree with abortion. I think every thing should have a chance at life. But I am 19 and a teen mother myself, i cannot imagine the physical and emotional strain another child would bring. To me, having another child right now would not be fair to me, my son, or the child itself. Just because you dont agree with someones decision doesnt mean it was the wrong one, she did what was best for herself and her child, and i think she deserves a little bit of credit for that.

Alexis - posted on 01/05/2011

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Rebecca your example just goes to show that the law is not always right, therefore since the law says the fetus isnt considered a child yet that its ok, but it doesnt mean that its not a living thing. Again I agree with you that every person has the right to make their own choices and the right to privacy and I am under no means trying to take that away from anybody. I am not trying to make it illegal to have abortions either. I simply do not agree with it and have my reasons. At the same time I find it a double standard that we can not do stem cell research which I do agree with. There are many fertilized eggs that come from fertility clinics that are left out to dry before being properly disposed of. I just don't understand the double standard, even though I personaly don't agree with abortions as a way out of a bad choice or as a form of birth control I do believe we could at least bring some life from the subject in the form of stem cell research. I also believe I did answer your question. In cases where a full term pregnancy would cause death to the mother or the child and in cases of rape would an abortion be ok, in my mind and heart. Again I am not trying to take anybodys rights away because i am sure there are things I do that are legal but others don't agree with and I would not be happy with them taking my rights away to make my own choices. I do however have the right to my thoughts and opinions and the right to state them, even when they are in opposition of someone elses. Which is exactly what we are all doing. I do respect your point of view especially since you sound educated on it and are not simply taking a side on an issue because of hersay. It seems you have looked at the evidence presented and formed your own educated opinion instead of just preaching an opinion when you didnt take the time to educate yourself. I have no problem agreeing to disagree with some who is educated but simply came to a different point of view.

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Alexis - abortions aren't legal "just because the child is unwanted." Abortions are legal because the "child" isn't a "child" or a person under the law and fully grown, adult woman has a Constitutional right to privacy and a right to control her own reproductive destiny, which includes her right to an abortion. Notably, the right to privacy also included your right to have sex out of wedlock and to use birth control (the morning after pill). Both of these things were illegal in the United States prior to the 1950 and 60s. It was also illegal for married couples to use birth control. Oh, but it was perfectly legal to involuntarily sterilize the poor, minorities, the retarded and other social "undesirables."
I don’t think your question is controversial at all and the answer is simple. We can't do stem cell research with aborted fetuses because pro-lifers have pushed legislation to block such research and because President Bush further limited such research by executive orders because they believe “life begins at conception” (even though an embryo in a petri dish has no possible chance of life because it’s not implanted in anyone’s womb). A women isn’t “pregnant” until the fertilized egg implants, which occurs 8 to 10 days AFTER conception and approximately 50% of those eggs never implant. Personally, I, and a great many other people, are in favor of stem cell research on aborted fetuses, miscarried fetuses, and leftover embryos from fertility treatments. Of course, I have no doubt that the people who oppose stem cell research on aborted fetuses or leftover embryos would have no problem accepting the benefits of a cure for cancer for their own family member if it resulted from such research, but I digress…
Since no one has answered my question about abortions and birth control, I will ask it again. For those of you who have remarked that abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, does that mean that there are circumstances when you think abortion is acceptable? To me, saying it shouldn’t be used as “birth control” means there are things you think it should be used for. Such as?

Alexis - posted on 01/05/2011

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@ Rebecca- my statement about consequences was not to argue one being right over the other, simply to state that abortions are not consequences, but they do have consequences. And yes in a since punishment for the crime is a way to state it. We are becoming a nation of not having consequences for our actions and when you do have an abortion you are punishing the child with death for your choices. Also to clear it up, an unplanned pregnancy is the consequence, the birth, adoption or abortion are the choices on how to deal with the consequence of an unplanned pregnancy due to irresponsible choices. Yes all three choices will also have consequences I just feel that killing the problem (child) is not an answer that I could live with or agree with.

My background is that my son was unplanned and I was in the middle of a breakup with his dad at the time and had no job and only half way through school (college). I could not afford my son and it was highly stressful working full time and going to school full time but I did it and not only am I affording my son and raising but I am a better person for it and I am thankful for everything I have since I had to work so hard for it. Right after having the 'accident' that ultimately got me pregnant I did go down and take a morning after pill but it obviously didnt work. Now that I have my son I can't believe I had attempted to early abort him. Which in my opinion is what the morning after pill does since it simply does not allow a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus wall. Birth control does not allow for an egg to become fertilized which is the point I believe life starts, yes they may not make it to full term naturally just the same that not all of us will live to be 100 years old. My mother also had 2 abortions before having me, she was going to abort me too but my dad convinced her not too. While I am not in therapy over this I know my mom has had emotional issues over aborting her first two children, my aunt did the same thing. She aborted one child and put two up for adoption. She is still dealing with emotional issues to this day 30+ years later. The only comfort she got is when she reunited with the two she put up for adoption and saw that they had grown into wonderful people.

I wanted to give you a little of my background to give an understanding of why I stand where I do on this issues. I also agree with abortion when the child or mother will die from full term pregnancy and rape.

I have another controversial question. If abortions are legal just because the child is unwanted then why cant we do stem cell research with the aborted fetus that could help save the lives of children and adults that are wanted?

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I did not see the episode, but she is very brave for doing it let alone doing it publicly! I can't imagine how hard that must be to go through. I completely understand the adoption thing though, after carrying the baby to term, she wouldn't have been able to give it up, no one who is a mother already could... at least none that I know! I'm proud of her for doing what she thinks is right for her family, and she should be left alone, cause it's hard enough without being judged for it!

Rosie - posted on 01/05/2011

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you got me there meredith! :) eggs are yummy!!

and yes i would be alright with someone having an abortion as many times as she deems necessary. my personal opinion of her would be that she is a tramp, who needs a lesson in biology or keep her legs shut, but i will support a womans right to do with her body what she wants-up until the point the fetus can live on it's own. viability is usually considered 24 weeks. after that i'm against abortion for reasons other than saving the mothers life, or if the fetus will die. even then though, abortions after week 20 are VERY rare, and they are for medical reasons. you can't just go in when you are 28 weeks pregnant and say give me an abortion, it doesn't work that way.

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I don't see the distinction between "abortion as birth control" and abortion for any other reason. There is no difference in my opinion. My opinion wouldn't change if she got pregnant a third time and had a second abortion -- still her body, still her choice. Do I think she could make her life easier by effectively using birth control (remembering that she was getting the shot here but had a misunderstanding re: the timing)? Of course. But ultimately, it's her decision about how to live her life.
I don't understand the distinction you are attempting to make between pregnancy as a consequence of unprotected sex vs. abortion vs. adoption. If you really want to split hairs, then pregnancy is the consequences of unprotected sex. Once you are pregnant, there are three choices to deal with the unplanned pregnancy -- abortion, adoption, keep the baby. Not seeing how that somehow makes one OK and the others not. Abortion is a legal option to terminate an unplanned pregnancy. To put it another way, why is carrying a child to term and giving birth to it the only "consequence" of an unplanned pregnancy? Would the infant be the consequence here (AKA the punishment for your "crime")? That's pretty messed up to me.

Nikkole - posted on 01/05/2011

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IF she got pregnant again and wanted an abortion that would be wrong! I think in my opinion she is immature becasue it is possible if you do multiple forms of birth control not just one that you can prevent pregnancy and if she thought something was wrong just in case she could have gotten the day after pill like i said before mistakes happen yes well after the first one you should learn your lesson!!

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@ Rebecca, im sorry but abortion is not a consequence of sex, the only consequences of sex is an STD or pregnancy. Abortions, Adoptions or keeping the child are choices on how to handle the consequence of pregnancy. The backlash of the public and the personal emotional turmoil are consequences of having an abortion, especially publicly.
@ Kate can a baby survive outside the womb at 10 weeks,no your right, but that doesn't mean its not a living being. Can you survive underwater? No, but that doesn't mean your not a living thing that deserves to live.
@ Brittany--I agree with you, if you can't afford a second child why have unprotected sex and if you do then there are consequences, just like she learned when she was 16. While yes I believe that people should be able to make there own decisions, abortions included, I obviously don't agree with it but that applies to only my life choices. I have another question to pose to all of you; What would you think if she was to get pregnant a third time and she still can't afford it? Would an abortion still be ok in your eyes since she would then be using it as a form of birth control? And how is that any different than this time when she could have put the child up for adoption and at least given it a chance to live, even if she did have to work more and not be with her child as much at least it would have had a chance to have a life. Having to work harder to make it work is part of cleaning up the mess of consequences from irresponsible choices made.
FYI I do not mean any disrespect to anyone, I simple wanted to post my opinion and get more feedback from those on the other side of the issue.

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For Killing an Animal its called animal cruelty Ive never heard it called murder and i think its VERY sad that people who abuse animals in any way get more time than if a man or women rape or molest a child or another person!! and i could see having an abortion if you were raped or your life was in the utmost danger thats the only reason i would see to get one!

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Agreed, but it's not called "murder". I'm just talking about the specific meaning of the word "murder." You can't legally murder an animal, although you can kill it in such a way as to result in a criminal offense.

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For those of you who have commented that abortion "shouldn't be used for birth control," does that mean you think abortion is acceptable under other circumstances? What circumstances? Just curious.

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Actually, "murder" has a very specific meaning under the law -- and that meaning doesn't extend to unborn children except under very rare circumstances. Nor does it extend to animals. ;-)

Meredith - posted on 01/05/2011

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@Kati Color, you eat eggs don't you? lol



I just don't see how one life is more important than another.. "murder" is murder no matter what! You can go to jail for killing a dog.. you can't for having an abortion.. I think pro-lifers are closed minded.. but that's just IMO!

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That's fine. Doesn't change my feelings that I'm pregnant with a baby not a parasite. And I didn't throw out the murder thing. As I've said before I'm trying to understand different views on this topic.

Sherri - posted on 01/04/2011

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Sarah it is considered cells or a fetus in the eyes of the law until it is born. You can't murder something that is not a live but a parasite that can only live off its host.

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Putting on my moderator hat...

Let's keep posts on topic and remember the guideline while posting.

Thanks,
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Kate CP - posted on 01/04/2011

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Having an abortion is killing the potential of a baby. Killing a baby is infanticide and implies the baby was already breathing on it's own.

Rosie - posted on 01/04/2011

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i'm pro-choice, but there is no way that cows are comparable to a human embryo. i'll eat a cow any day, not so much an embryo. cows simply don't compare to an embryo, in any way shape or form.

Meredith - posted on 01/04/2011

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and abortion clinics were put here so we could have that option.. Meat is still Murder.. and "Pro Lifers" are still hypocrites. Good Day!

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