Pole dacing - sexy or sporty?

Lady - posted on 04/22/2010 ( 122 moms have responded )

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If these girls were wearing sports gear instead of bikinis and high heels would this still be seen as something that was meant to be sexual? I don't really see the difference between a lot of their moves and some that gymnists do, these girls are soo fit and not just in the good looking way! Put them in shorts and tops and this could be an olympic sport - What do you think?

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Mary - posted on 04/23/2010

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Wow, this thread is some seriously entertaining stuff!



Some of the ideas expressed on here really struck me with their absurdity. I should resist the temptation to respond, but....



I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever I put on ANY type of swim suit, the commentaries and responses I most obsess over are those of other WOMEN. We tend to be more critical of each other, and quick with catty comments. I honestly never even consider how other men are going to look at me. Most of the men I know are rather unobservant as it is. Usually, if I'm at the beach with my husband, and someone is in an unusually comment-worthy suit, I have to practically turn his head and point for him to figure out who I'm referring to. He's not unique in this...I've found this to be true of most men.



Perhaps I'm less bothered by what other women choose to wear and how it impacts my spouse because I am secure in my relationship, and have absolutely no concerns about whether or not he even notices. He is not blind, so I'm sure he does find some random strangers attractive....so what? It in no way worries me, nor do I think it has any reflection on how he sees ME, which is what I care about most. And, IMO, if scantily clad girls on a beach are a threat to you or your relationship, there's a bigger problem on the beach than what someone is wearing.

Charlie - posted on 04/22/2010

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First off let me say children should be protected from over sexualisation to an extent but there is the other extreme , personally i think its extreme and a little paranoid to suggest that most women in bikinis are only doing so to attract men , covering a child's eyes when a bra ad comes on is just over the top in my opinion .
In my opinion the over compensation to oppress sexuality can and will in fact do the exact opposite of what you are trying to achieve and that is to teach a boy to respect women , every time we repress our sexuality, its energy gets stronger. push it away, deep down into the unconsciousness, but from there it still exerts its great power. It is such a strong drive that it can't be tamed.In fact sexuality becomes more attractive, more appealing, when it is repressed into the unconsciousness .

I guess the problem some women have with your view is that it seems in all irony disrespectful to women and their right to celebrate their body without the feeling of shame .

A real man is one who can go to the beach and see women swimming in their bikinis and not sexual objects in bikinis , a real man is someone who is quiet capable of having platonic relationships with women without thinking its anything more than friendship , a real man can go out and have a drink and not think he owns a woman simply because she wore a short skirt , yes the men who go to strip clubs are there to view the women just as the women are there to be viewed , hey Ive seen male strippers on more than one occasion and i have a very healthy respect for men , i see men on the beach in their speedos going for a swim and dont think of them sexually , to say that most men would think like that i find a little sexist to say 98% of women in bikinis are only doing so to attract male attention is incredibly sexist .

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Sorry, I quit reading/skimming about half way down the first page. I don't have an opinion on the pole dancing thing other than it bothers me (big surprise, huh). I did, however, want to say that at least 90% of the men I know don't look at women as merely sex objects and I live in Hawaii where a LOT of women wear bikinis. Granted, my son is only 2, but I don't see how covering his eyes will teach him respect for women... Men look at women. That's a fact. It's what they DO (or don't do) w/ that fact that matters most.

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@ Christina



Yeah, I'm done with this thread.. I don't see how anyone can consider it appropriate for little children to watch when the origin of pole-dancing was to arouse males. The origins of football, baseball, wrestling, ping-pong, curling and water-polo were not for arousal, but pure sport! I better get out of here before I lose more respect for you all, as I would like to respect each of you very much..




the origin of pole dancing was not to arouse men...the origin of pole dancing comes from an exercise is very similar to Mallakhamb, an Indian men's sport with no erotic component...



Mallakhamb is a traditional Indian sport in which a gymnast performs poses and feats while hanging from a vertical wooden pole or rope. Mallakhamb also refers to the pole used in the sport.



The word "Mallakhamb" is composed of malla, which denotes a gymnast or a man of strength, and khamb, which is a pole. Mallakhamb, therefore, can be translated in English as pole gymnastics.



Mallakhamb is a complete exercise system which focuses on the body as a whole. However the major benefits of Mallakhamb are:



- It enhances the overall strength and power of the practitioner.



- It improves the stamina.



- It impacts each and every muscle of the body, thereby improving the muscular endurance of each muscle.



- It improves the balance and coordination.



- It enhances the agility and flexibility.



- It strengthens the grip and hand muscle in particular.



- It increases the cardio vascular fitness.

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Sara - posted on 05/07/2010

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I think this is amazing and both sexy and sporty. As for changing what they are wearing to "legitimize it" or such...have you seen the gymnastic and swimming and volleyball uniforms? really nothing these women wore show much if any more than those.
A friend of my moms teaches this and used to be a dancer (yes that type) and she is just amazing I say go for it.

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Lets see.... Since I actually have been a stripper & worked the pole very well, I can say it is most definitely a sex thing. But I agree, that if they were wearing sport type clothing it would be totally different. But they're not, so of course it's a sexy dance routine. I would also like to add that it takes a lot of strength & practice to do those moves & still look sexy.

Krystal - posted on 04/24/2010

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sorry i dont actually know what the men where in ballet are called, leotards are for women arent they lol. they look like leggins to me lol. but still they look hot in them lol :)

Krystal - posted on 04/24/2010

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those women are truely amazing, they are dancing and there is nothing wrong with that, heck if i was like them id be doin it 24/7 lol and as for the bikini, i wore one wen i was 8/9 months pregnant, i was way to hot and i was at the beach, no one stared or thought i was crazy and even if they did i would just tell them to f**k off and mind their own buisness lol. i havent worn one since because we havent been to the beach since then but if i had the chance i would if its nice wether. i think it should become an olympic, it probably wont but i deffinately would love to watch them in it. the olympics get so borin sometimes with the same old stuff. i would let my children watch this, my son is olny 11 months so he wouldnt understand anyway and im pregnant with our 2nd. there are certain things i wont allow (like porn untill they leave home, go to strip clubs untill they are old enough and again left home ect) but depending on the age of the film ect (say if they are 15 and the movie is 18 then even with some sex in it sure they can watch it they have probably seen worse than that on the internet ect lol). men and women pole dance and do those moves on the ropes or material that hang down from the ceiling it is the same thing. they are dancing and performing arts. i mean its not just men that have peering eyes lol, women do to and men that are in leotards (sp?) that do pallet(sp?) (wow lol) and those men that do things from the ropes or material from the ceiling (wow again lol). it must take alot of muscle and strength to do those moves. if only i had a body like those women lol. :)

Iris - posted on 04/23/2010

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Pole dancing could definitely be a sport. Pretty amazing video Gillian and wow, she is fit! Loved it.

Rosie - posted on 04/23/2010

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i know!! i was indifferent until she sang "sober" at another award show. love it. then that aerial silk performance was beyond over the top FABULOUS!! i fell in love with her after that! how she sung upside down AND didn't vomit is beyond me, and then walked away without falling over!! lol! my ass would've been on the ground as soon as i landed!

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2010

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ahhh i love pink!!! lol she's freakin awesome... gets better and better too

Sue - posted on 04/23/2010

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OMG that aerial silk act is beautiful.



Yes pole dancing should be considered as an Olympic sport in the same way that the uneven bars are or the balance beam.

Jocelyn - posted on 04/23/2010

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Lol Krista I would have been the same way :P

*while sobbing and gasping* " Am. I. Sex. Ee. Yet. ?."

Jenny - posted on 04/23/2010

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Pink's performance brought tears to my eyes and I am far from a crier. Totally beautiful.

Krista - posted on 04/23/2010

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If I had tried that, I would have looked neither beautiful NOR sexy. I would have been too busy, alternating between weeping and crying from the height, or puking from the spinning.

Rosie - posted on 04/23/2010

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tell me how this is not beautiful...









i think the good stuff gets to be around the 3:00 min. mark

Heather - posted on 04/23/2010

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Kati, yes, I loved Pinks performance with the silks...I thought it was beautiful also!

Rosie - posted on 04/23/2010

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havn't read any responses yet, but did anybody see pinks performance at the grammys (i think it was the grammys, not sure). she was up in the air doing the same thing on "silks". long pieces of cloth. i thought it was beautiful, and she was dressed pretty scantily. however, she wasn't taking off her clothes for money, and that's what people associate pole dancing with. so that's why i think they think it's okay.

i personally think it's awesome that they have the ability to do all of that. however i do feel sad that the majority of them are taking their clothes off for money. i guess if they're allright with what they do, and don't have self esteem issues like alot of these women have to have, then i could care less if they take their clothes off. shake your tassles away!!

LaCi - posted on 04/23/2010

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I was curious so I had to look for it, found some less graceful aerial with men in executioner masks. Very awkward lol. Found some very nice burlesque silk acts though.

Mary - posted on 04/23/2010

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Ahhh, Jenn, I have a feeling 40 is going to look better on you than it is on me! I only have about 5 months left - not sure I could pull it off (but I bet the hubby would support my efforts!) !

Emma - posted on 04/23/2010

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Not being funny but put this woman in some leather and you have aria bondage, this is just as erotic as pole dancing actual more so as it leans to the kinky if set in that environment.

~Jennifer - posted on 04/23/2010

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@ Jenny - I have one. Told the hubby I wanted one put in and he was MORE than fine with it - go figure. ;)
I used to teach the girls how to make the best use of the pole (before I had my children) - I really enjoyed it, and I think I'm going to start that up again. If I can get myself into the condition I was in back then, I'm going to enter the competition in the amateur slot (amateur my ass, I did this shit for the better part of 10 years, but whatever....)
I think it would be a respectable accomplishment @ 40 to be able to do this again, so I'm going to give it my best shot.
Why not, right?

Jenny - posted on 04/23/2010

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Good for you Jenn! I'm on the look out for classes in my area too. If I had more sqaure footage in my house I would definately install a pole.



I do agree an image change would need to accompany this being accepted as a sport. As far as it being Olympic worthy, ribbon dancing made the cut, need I say more?

~Jennifer - posted on 04/23/2010

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I plan on entering the 'amateur' portion of the competition for my 40th birthday present to myself.

(Yes, I'm serious)



=)

Krista - posted on 04/23/2010

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Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, I think that with a proper gymnastics-style leotard, this could definitely qualify as an Olympic sport. They'd have to change the name, though, to avoid that sex-club stigma. Perhaps pole gymnastics, or bring it back to that Indian name that Meghan mentioned, Mallakhamb.

With regards to the side topic of modesty/sexuality, I'm not really all that concerned about nudity. I'm a lot more bothered by violence. CSI comes on right after the evening news, and there are often very realistic-looking corpses who in the story, died violent deaths. I'd MUCH rather my kid see Heidi Klum in a push-up bra than see a depiction of a bloated corpse being pulled from a river.

For starters, it's a hell of a lot easier to explain. :)

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haha i just made my mom watch that video who is the ultimate prude lol she said if she had their body and wasnt so clumsy she would do it.... and she would like to point out that gymnastics suits ride up their "bottoms" and it is a one piece.... so maybe a tanktop and shorts....

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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Amber you knew I was sensitive about my weight months and months ago. The ONLY reason you posted those comments was to attack me and you know it. Grow up. Again, those posts were made more than 5 months ago.. HELLO! Anything can happen in that time. You know you were doing it as an attack, so grow up.

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Thank you LaCi... hell I bet every mom could afford to lose some weight i know once i have my 2nd itll be more towards the 40's for me but if you tell everyone on COM that you need to loose weight and then when someone repeats it back to you and you report it .... that seems childish...

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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She would be making a point if she knew how to use her brain. Those posts were more than 5 months old! Who's to say I haven't lost any weight since then? She was directly attacking me for no reason.



Sorry, but telling me to lose 20 lbs so my husband would like to show me off or so my husband would rather look at me.. Yeah, that's a pure attack.

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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Oh, excuse me but since you never CLARIFIED..

I knew it would be deleted, but she's throwing shit, so I'm going to as well.

LaCi - posted on 04/23/2010

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Technically I'm in the bible belt too. The very top edge of it ;) I actually didn't know that until just now.

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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LaCi, what on Earth are you even going off about?? Nobody cares about whether your posts are deleted.

Mary - posted on 04/23/2010

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Amber, I agree...I have nothing but admiration, as well as a healthy dose of jealousy when watching them!

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I fit that description haha I was rasied in the bible belt... went to a christian highschool and a christian college... haha got pregnant at 19 and married 20 a month after i found out hahaa.... and in my home town in SC there are so many girls getting pregnant and having babies its unreal... even the mayor said something about it... i guess LaCi is right... haha

LaCi - posted on 04/23/2010

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I'm guessing that will be deleted. I'm debating your beliefs. If you take it as an attack, so be it, as for you having a problem with me, don't really care. :)

LaCi - posted on 04/23/2010

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I guess I have to google everything for you.

Mark Foley sex scandal: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

David Vitter: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/0...

Larry Craig: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/28/c...

Mark Sanford: http://www.time.com/time/politics/articl...,8599,1907036,00.html
Although I would classify him as just cheating on his wife, he disappeared while governor, very irresponsible.

Bob Packwood: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/10/weekin...
That goes against respect for women.

Ted Haggard: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/29/lkl.ted...

Bob Allen: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/1...

Glenn Murphy Jr: http://news-tribune.net/local/x519368106...
That one happened right here in my old conservative home county. And yes, thats a real news link, it's one of our locals.

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Christina... YOUhave said in like 3-4 posts that YOU wanted to lose the baby weight... YOU said you needed to lose the weight... YOU also said YOUR husband likes to watch pornos and im sure if you learned how to pole dance... he wouldnt be watching them anymore hed be watching YOU.... just food for thought

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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There is a difference between debating and blatantly attacking someone for their beliefs. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE and maybe I wouldn't have a problem with you!

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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Try giving me links to REAL news stations.. Not ones that look like they make anything up for gullible people..

I highly doubt that a website called Badmouth.com is going to have a REAL news story on there that wasn't twisted in some way.

LaCi - posted on 04/23/2010

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As for attacking beliefs, I'm debating, this is a debate thread. If you can't handle it stop responding.

C. - posted on 04/23/2010

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@LaCi.. Who are you to go on bashing what I believe? Will you get over yourself already?? That's all you ever care to do when speaking to me.



And no, the conservative politicians are not usually the ones who get in jacuzzis with young girls, get caught in hotel rooms with young boys, etc.. I have NEVER heard of any of those happening and we always watch the news at our house. I HAVE heard, however, about liberal politicians doing the very things you listed..



What does the location of the states have anything to do with this??



You are no one to question my authority over my children. If I think barely-there undergarments are not to be viewed when they are young, then so be it.

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