Reference for those attacked by bible verses...

Mary Renee - posted on 01/12/2011 ( 245 moms have responded )

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Yesterday I recieved a card from an aunt of mine. While I was pregnant with my daughter she refused to acknowledge it even when I was 6 months pregnant and at her home for Christmas dinner. While she didn't say anything directly to me, she let my mother know that she couldn't see my daughter as a blessing - since she was being born out of wedlock.



The card she sent said that she recieved my Christmas card and the three of us looked precious. Then she wrote "John 14:15." Then she wrote a website of an online bible so I could look up what the bible verse meant.



I decided to look up a few bible verses of my own, and I thought I'd go ahead and put them here for anyone to use as a reference when their lifestyle, situation, or sexuality are being judged.



Matthew 7:1

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged"





Luke 6:37

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."





Luke 6:41

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"





John 8:7

"If any of you are without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."





Romans 2:1

"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgement on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgement do the same things."





Romans 14:10

"You, then, why do you judge your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."





Romans 14:13

"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way."





1 Corinthians 4:5

"Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his PRAISE from God."



**I like how it says "PRAISE" not "eternal damnation"**





James 1:19

"My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry"





James 4:11

"Don't speak evil against each other, dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize and judge each other, then you are criticizing and judging God's law. But your job is to obey the law, not to judge where it applies to you."





Luke 6:37

"Judge not - any man without full, clear, certain knowledge, without absolute necessity, without tender love"







So the loud angry righteousness some bible thumpers have when it comes to condemning people for their lifestyle, their choice in partner, their families, their sexuality, or a woman's right to chose.... is actually a perfect example of hypocricy. Just thought I'd go ahead and throw that out there.

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in spirit yes, but not in physical form.

Just as you and me are the same spirit, yet we are two different people.

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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fair enough you got me on that one...not all believe in the holy trinity.

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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I don't have a bible silly...I am about as far from Christian as you get...I've just read more than my mother taught me :)... I learn from ALL religions, not just one tiny little branch. And LOGIC tells me that in order to be a Christian, you must believe that the new trumps old in all cases of conflict

Lacye - posted on 01/13/2011

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Jesus was not a God Laura. He never said he was. He said he was the Son of God. He was a man.

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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The holy trinity states that the father, son, and the holy spirit are all the same...likened to the difference between ice, water, and steam

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he did not say he was god, he said he was the son of god and god was part of him as god is part of all of us.....maybe you should read your bible..

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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In fact doesn't the old testament CLEARLY state that ANYBODY who says they are God is a liar...so just by believing in Jesus (as a part of the holy trinity) you are forsaking the old testament.

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my point is that all Christians do not believe that the new testament trumps the old. Some Christians don't even believe in the immaculate conception, yet they are still christian. BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS.

did you read into all 10, 000 variations of Christianity and confirm what you are saying?

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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You may learn from both testaments...but when there is conflict...Christians ALWAYS choose the new...that's what I was saying

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If you ask them why they no longer stone people to death, they will tell you it's because Jesus came and said we don't have to do that anymore...therefore, his teachings trump the old


Jewish people dont stone people.

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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Why don't Christians stone people anymore even though GOD clearly said we have to? And why are Christians now allowed to eat pork and lobster when GOD clearly said they are to be detested and dirty?

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The primary classes of Christians are:

* Churches without sacramental Ordination
* ** Protestant
o *** Lutheran (Minor Exception)
+ Presbyterian
+ Methodist
o Anabaptist
o *** Baptists
+ Pentecostals
+ Brethren
+ Amish
o Non-Trinitarians
o *** Universalists
+ Unitarians
+ Quakers
* Restorationists
* ** Church of Jesus christ of Latter Day Saints (The Mormons)
o Jehovahs Witnesses
o Charismatics
o Christadelphians
* Episcopalian
* ** Anglicans, Episcopal churches, etc
* Catholic
* ** "Roman" Catholic (Western Rite Catholicism)
o *** Sedevacantists
+ Those who follow Anti-popes
+ Old Catholics
+ Catholics who Follow the Pope
o Eastern Orthodox (under the Patriarch of constantinople)
o *** Greek Orthodox
+ Russian Orthodox
+ Serbian Orthodox
+ et cetera
o Coptic (Under pope
* Gnostic or Esoteric Christianity

The differences between these groups are vast, and the list of denominations that i have provided is by no means complete. There were at one time believed to be near 100,000 different denominations of Christianity, all have different beliefs and customs.

Candi - posted on 01/13/2011

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I am Southern Baptist. We learn from both testaments. One is as important as the other

Lacye - posted on 01/13/2011

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actually, my church pays equal attention to the old testament as they do to the new. I'm not Jewish either

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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If you ask them why they no longer stone people to death, they will tell you it's because Jesus came and said we don't have to do that anymore...therefore, his teachings trump the old

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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and I said that they ALL believe that the New Testament TRUMPS the old...not that the old has NO value :)

not that I really care...just sayin

Lacye - posted on 01/13/2011

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She's right Julianne. Some christians don't even bother studying the old testament. They only look at the new testament.

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no they don't. that statement is false. The definition of being a christian is believing in Jesus. Not which book is more valued.



all christians, you cant make such a statement, have you read up on every single christian religion and talked to every single person in the world who is christian.



Most of the Christians i know believe that both books are of equal importance because its all the word of the lord. If you want to believe in god, take all his words, not just half of them.



More point proving that christians pick and choose what to believe so its doesn't cast themselves as sinners, yet can condemn others :)

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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all Christians believe that the new testament trumps the old testament...it is the very definition of being a Christian.

Since Jesus Christ was not in the old testament.

Nikkole - posted on 01/13/2011

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My mother in law will quote verses out of the bible and try to intemperate them and she is wrong most the time shes a CRAZY church lady lol! SHE pisses me off so much me and my husband lived together for a month before we got married EVERY day up until our wedding she said we were living in sin and we were going against gods way well we got married blah blah blah well her daughter has had at least 5 boyfriends live with her and sleep in her room! She got pregnant from her last boyfriend and wanst married and sleeps with her boyfriend now and my mil does NOTHING and they live in her house rent free! And when i was 8months pregnant i was told i may have to have a c section for medical reasons and she told me if i did it wasn't gods way it was unnatural and i was making him angry, and i couldnt breastfeed my milk would NOT come in well she said formual was the devil and god will punish me by making my kids stupid because breast milk is the only way for your kids to be smart! My husband had to hold me back from hitting her a couple of times :) i am more spiritual than religious i hate religious people who shove things down your throat and are rude to you!

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alison i did not misread the bible, plenty of quotes as i showed said its not alright to eat meat. Besides, thats not my reason to be vegan. I think the bible is cool and all, but i dont believe it to be the word of the lord. I'm actually wiccan, and i don't believe in god. All i was doing, was pointing out that anyone could read the exact same verse and pull two completely different meanings out of it. The bible contradicts itself, and then contradicts its contradictions. Its highly mistranslated. Recent studies show that when you cut out wheat(as opposed to all grain) sugars and meats, you live longer and are healthier.

Both studies are correct. Its the wheat and sugar that cause issues.









A select few Christians only believe in the new testament. So many christian religions exist, not ALL of them only believe in the new testament,MOST of them follow both.

Jewish only believe in the old testament. doesnt make either book any less the bible.



I was raised catholic and they preached both the old and new in church.

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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The very first quote...Leviticus...is from the old testament...look it up :)

ps, the new testament is the only thing that matters to Christians, if you only believe in the old testament, you are Jewish

have a nice day

Rosie - posted on 01/13/2011

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you should send her back a card with some of those bible verses. i cannot believe the gall of some people that claim to love you, AND love god. fucking ridiculous. not trying to disrespect your aunt, but what the fuck is she thinking??

Candi - posted on 01/13/2011

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If you read the story of Noah and his ark, you will read where he actually took 7 of the clean animals so he and his family could eat. There are plenty of places in the Bible where meat is eaten, just not pork, because pigs are considered unclean. It also mentions where it is acceptable to eat animals as long as they are dead, which someone pointed out already.

Mary Renee - posted on 01/13/2011

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True that. The "King" James Version is where they took out anything that didn't support the idea of a "monarchy"

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Not to mention the fact what we call the "Bible" was selectively edited (largely by the Roman Catholic Church), who reviewed a variety of texts and included only the ones they wanted (and, of course, supported their view of a male-dominated church).

Caitlin - posted on 01/13/2011

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Unless anyone here speaks ancient aramaic, all these debates about "this means this" and "that means that" are pretty much dependant on whos version of the bible you read. Considering most versions have been translated MANY times before they reached english, there are so many different interpretations in there and changes that I can't see any of them as being "the word of god".

Alison - posted on 01/13/2011

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Julianne, I think it is fine if you want to be a vegetarian, but I think you TOTALLY misread the Bible. (on a side note, recent studies show that cutting out grains and sugars can actually make humans live longer - i.e. a diet of meat and vegetables. Humans are definitely omnivores.)

Jane - posted on 01/13/2011

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In the end, no one will ever really know. The bible is a book that was written by MAN a very long time ago and everyone that participated in these writings is long, long dead. People can interpret all they want.....including the religious scholars but in the end, any interpretation is nothing more than an educated opinion on the meanings.



It's a great book but people should not live by it because everyone picks and chooses what they will and will not abide by and shrugs off the rest. Extremely hypocritical!!

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Yes, but Christians and Muslims both consider the Bible to include the Old and New Testaments. That is the actual Bible according to them. You are referring to the Hebrew bible.

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The jewish believe in just the first half of the bible, and refer to it as the bible. torah is just another word they use for the same book.

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well, the second half of the bible is when jesus came in, the first half is the actual bible, the second half is where they "fixed things" and told the life of jesus.

Mary Renee - posted on 01/12/2011

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Hey, I think you guys need to make a separate thread about vegetarianism in the bible...

Just to throw in my two cents, I was raised Christian but then after reading a lot of Vonnegut, learning a lot about Physics, the Universe, Evolution, etc. I decided it's better just to treat everybody nice with out needed the "reward" or "punishment" of an afterlife. And I decided that it's a lot more likely that human beings are just as insignificant as ants, our brains are just bigger and they tell us that we're important to make us feel good.

That said I was raised by a Catholic father and a Christian mother and I always understood the bible to say that you can eat meat, but you can't eat meat that is bloody, and that you're not supposed to eat meat on Fridays or during Lent, except for fish.

And Thirdly... where does anyone get off saying the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible? The New Testament MAKES it the Bible. Otherwise it's the Torah... hiho.

Fourthly (bringing it back to the fact that it's Circle of MOMS) Vegetarianism in religions have often been to the detriment of women.

I live in Hawaii (but I'm not Hawaiian) and learned that there was a Kapu System (taboo system, things that weren't allowed) and there were different Kapus for men and women. For example, women weren't allowed to eat meat or certain banana-like fruits.

As a result, many women died during pregnancy, or lost their fetuses or ended up with very sickly children, as they weren't allowed to eat a balanced diet and several elements were missing from their nutrition. When the Hawaiian leaders decided that the kapu system of dated and did away with, there was a much higher survival rate of children and more infants were carried to full term and born alive.

I think it's possible to be a vegetarian and be healthy, but I think in societies where maybe all the expensive-vegetarian-protein-replacement-foods bought at fancy super markets isn't available - enforced religious vegetarianism isn't compatible with feminism.

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A lot of things are mistranslated in the bible too. For the simple fact that the metaphor was misinterpreted. That could have been one of them. I forget where i heard this, so it might not even be creditable: on meant, by, so the correct translation is walked by water.

Charlie - posted on 01/12/2011

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well did he litterally walk on water ;)

There is one school of thought that suggests the story told of Jesus as walking on water is a metaphor for the dilemma of the situation he was facing at that time.

The four main symbolic identities in this story are as follows:

1: Jesus and his crew were out in a boat! (not on solid ground)= dilemma.

2: A storm descended which scared all the disciples to death! (Negatively charged emotions - Anger,fear) = disillusionment!

3: Jesus calmed the storm, by? (applying positive feed back)= Calm.

4: walking on water! (controlling his emotions)= over-came fear.

The Boat, The Storm, Jesus calming the emotions of the disciples by showing he was un-afraid.

Otherwise known as 'Walking on Water!'

But who knows really , he may have walking on water a real miracle , it could be a metaphor which makes more sense or it just might have been low tide .

Lacye - posted on 01/12/2011

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I'm back! sorry it took so long. I was trying to get my daughter to go to sleep. No Jesus actually walked on water.

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