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I am sick of hearing about it and how great it will be for UK tourism. I really couldn't care less about the fact Prince William our future king is getting married - although I am happy my hubby gets an extra bank holiday this year to spend with us :-)
Just to defend them a little if they married on the cheap they would be slated for it as well because they are royalty and should show off a little AND from the news reports Kate's family are paying at least £100 grand towards the wedding. The claims are it'll make the country more than it costs us :-)
It will have a longer lasting effect than you are giving it credit for. People who are working are more likely to be able to get employment, so temporary jobs help people to find further employment - people are seen as being more employabe if they have a job. Also the more people who are employed, even in temporary contracts the stronger the economy is because more people have more money to spend and thus that creates further jobs, thus startign a positive cycle of employemt. Also many of the factories that have been given the things such as creating cups and memorabilia were struggling factories, so it means that the workers at these factories have a little bit more job stability - reducing stress about how they are going to feed their families, because lets be honest factory workers are not well paid!
There is also the tourism aspect which again will increase revenue to the country, that should be longer lasting than just the wedding day.
I understood the point you was trying to make on helping charities, the point I was making was that regardless of what would be ideal that money would NEVER go to any charity because if was intended to go to a charity it wouldn't be being used to pay for a wedding. Everyone has a right to spend their money on what they want to spend that money on, regardless of how much it is. With that said I agree that 40 - 200K on a dress is a lot of money but that is because I don't have it. I disagree that they should spend money on the wedding, they are not just regular people they are royalty and so should have a wedding appropriate of such.
I suppose the press is reporting more here as it is something that is supposedly a really big deal for the UK. I think I heard the figure on the tv but here is a couple of articles discussing the details, although much is obviously not in the public domain.
The majority of factory work here is quite poorly paid, it is only really the highly skilled factory workers that get anywhere near a decent wages and those jobs are definately on the decrease (at least where I live). So it does help even if it is only for a year.
I'm not disputing that the memorabilia will not be being produced in 5 years time, but when an area has as increase in employment (even temporary employment) it does have an impact directly on that areas employment rates in the longer term. Being employed even temporarily increases peoples motivation and confidence making them seem better candidates when they attend interviews in the future, which is one of the reasons being in employment helps people gain employment. But also it has been found that a person who has a job is much more likely to find another job than someone who is unemployed, this could be largely due to the difference in attitude, often people who are unemployed (especially those who have been unemployed for a long time) become disheartened by the job application process and this comes across during this process, but it may also be because it looks better if you have a job when looking for another, if you haven't worked in a while there are questions as to how you will cope in the workforce, whether you will be reliable etc, whereas someone who has been working it is very easy to find out the answers to these questions.
Also as I said earlier, an increase in employment even temporary employment helps increase the availability of jobs in an area, as people can spend more money, so it may mean there needs to be an increase in staff at the local supermarket or the local pub may need more bar staff or waiters/ waitresses, the shopping mall may need more cleaners or security etc, then the creation of extra jobs even a couple continues this cycle and more and more people find themselves in employment, all because one factory was given a royal contract to make mugs for a wedding.
From what I have heard they are using both the private sector and the public sector for services, such as police and street cleaners. but again this helps the public sector because otherwise they would be having jobs taken off them and given to private companies, which could adversely affect the workers. Although it is all hearsay as the press office has been very tight lipped about actual spending and what will be used and what won't.
I agree to me 12 mil seems like too much to spend but that is because I have never in my life had anywhere near that amount of money, and I highly doubt I ever will, but if I had it (and had always had it) I don't think I would limit my child on his wedding day. For me it comes down to if you can afford to help your child and give them a day to remember why not, I remember as few years back my hubbys old boss bought his daughter a house, a very nice house as well, a lot of my hubbys collegaues bitched about how it was ridiculous and how he should make her buy it for them it came down to the fact they were jealous as they had to buy their own houses (now I don't think your jealous 12 mil is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on one day) but I think if you can afford it why not? I have the same kind of thinking on the wedding, yes it would be fantastic for that money to go tot charity or to be put into the country after all we are having significant cuts made to our services BUT that money would never have been used in that way, if it wasn't being spent (and some of it is being spent in the UK so it is helping the economy that way) then it would just sit in a bank account earning the royals interest.
Carolyn - posted on 04/14/2011
see, here , alot of the factory jobs, are often well paid. Atleast from the job adds I have seen.
You keep going back to the kitch and etc. Im not arguing that it will have a positive impact in the short term. But its not sustainable. its not going to keep producing income and jobs 5 years later. When there is no more kitch to be made, those factory workers are still left with instability and layoffs.
Sure, getting hired as a temp might be helpful to your resume. All depends on who is looking at your resume and what they are looking for. I dont think a few days, weeks or months work is suddenly going to make someone that much more employable unless you learned some extraordinary skills relevent to the position. I actually dont put short stints of employement on my resume, unless its relevant to the work and proves to be useful experience.
My disgust is with with the money being spent on the actual wedding. i dont know how to make it that clear. 12 million pounds, isnt that like 24 million american dollars ? There is an appropriate wedding for royalty , and then there is a disgusting show of vanity. Given any thought to how much the food costs ? or what they are paying the chef ?
just because people have the right to spend their money how ever they see fit, doesnt make it any less wasteful.
they could easily spend 1/4 of the money and still have a beautiful and lavish wedding suitable for Royality. im pretty sure they could manage to impress with 3 million ? and then use the other 9 million and invest in local businesses, etc etc, that would be much more sustainable.
are they hiring private security ? or is it going to be using government funded services paid through tax dollars ? are they hiring cleaners to clean the streets after the crowds dissipate, or is the sanitation department going to have to foot the bill passing it onto the tax payers. ( i honestly dont know )
Id be really curious to see the balance on cost to the country vs revenues brought in at the end of it all. i might be surprised, and i might be disgusted. who knows.
I still think its ridiculous. I could have all the money in the world and still wouldnt pay that much money for a wedding, Id tell my kids to get bent and get some lotto tickets and pray they win, or cut their budget and get realistic. but thats me :)
Carolyn - posted on 04/14/2011
you can still have people create official wedding kitch and useless crap to sell without waisting hundreds of thousands of dollars ON the wedding itself. How much money they blow on a wedding dress ( because im sure the designer REALLY needs the money .... seriously ? ) and waste on a chef who i am sure isnt poor either.... the wedding is going to be a big deal because its a royal wedding, regardless of how much the ceremony and reception costs. So people are still going to by the stupid bobble heads with Will and Kates pictures pasted onto them, and the 3 $ rings.. etc etc. I bet she slap on a 3 thousand dollar dress and still draw a big crowd......
so i just did some figures research, I didnt look to hard to verify the facts because when I saw figures like 12 million pounds for the whole wedding.... the dress will be between 40k to 200k, i seriously feel sick to my stomach and pretty disgusted. Anyone wasting that kind of money, royalty or not on a wedding, i would feel the same way.
so a few extra servers are hired... for one day.... so a few extra hands are hired to help to the florist... for a few days.... how exactly does this help unemployement and poverty in the grand scheme of things. One day of work is not going to get your ass out of the ghetto.
im sorry you find fault with my random choosing of charities.. How about money to fund cancer research ? or will you find fault with that suggestion. you are missing the point....
im talking about the actual cost of the extravagance of the wedding itself being wasteful. Im not talking about the hoopla and the temporary cash influx useless crap being sold will create.
at the end of the day, this single day event will have an impact on the economy, i dont think it will be long lasting and as helpful to the poor and unemployements over the long term as some might think.
Its wedding fever, people are going to buy their crap, up tv ratings and then get over it. Its not creating anything sustainable, which is what is needed.
Again people don't though Carolyn, the fact is that billions have been donated to third world countries by not only the general public but by governments and charity organisations and yet the people who need it don't seem to see the benefit of it. Also with the breakfast for kids we already do things like that (free breakfast and dinner for kids who are in need - so it happens already) I was thinking about a local off-licence who was allowing parents to use the milk coupons to buy alcohol instead of spending them all on milk for the kids (as long as they purchased a pint of milk so the books showed milk sales) while I was reading your post, and so am a little jaded at the moment.
I understand that the amount of money they are spending is phenominal but at the same time I don't see why they shouldn't spend it, it benefits the UK and many of the poorer areas in the UK as many manufacturers have been given official wedding merchandise to create thus creating jobs, and helping reduce unemployment and reducing poverty within the UK.
Carolyn - posted on 04/14/2011
If you do your homework on your charities, your money would get to where it supposed to go. And the breakfast for kids in the UK, obviously you wouldnt give the money to the parents, that would just be stupid, you start a "breakfast club" program, we have them here where the children who are part of it go to the cafeteria instead of homeroom in the morning and the meal is provided through the school.
the point remains the same, its incredibly wasteful to have such and expensive and extravagant wedding. pissing away that much money for a few hours time.... makes me want to be sick.
it also isnt about who's share of the money is 100k the point is that much money is only "part" of the cost of the wedding, I'd love to see the final bill, then again, i'd would rather not lose my lunch. The money could be better spent then on food people are going to bitch about no matter how good or expensive it is, flowers that will wilt within a day or 2, and what ever else disgustingly expensive crap they have found to blow that much money on.
The £100K from the Middletons isn't from an outdated aristocracy they are self made millioanaires and so are new money rather than old money - they started a business in the 80's and have become very successful from it.
I disagree on the royals being outdated as well (even though I am sick of hearing about the wedding), they actually do a lot for charity and bring a lot of income to the UK - via tourism etc. I think it would be a crying shame as well for us to lose the monarchy as they are part of our history and although they don't have any real power now (due to our civil war) they still have a very real role.
'"And i could care less who you are marrying, if 100k is "part" of the bill.. you are wasteful and selfish. especially since those are pounds or what ever , now lets convert that to american dollars and then tally up how many kids in africa that could feed, how breakfast it could provide for children in the UK who might go to school without one.... "
Once again speaking as a Yank, that money would never have gone to charity no matter what. That money is used to hang onto an aristrocracy & monarchy that in my very American opinion is long outdated and outlived any semblence of usage.
"And i could care less who you are marrying, if 100k is "part" of the bill.. you are wasteful and selfish. especially since those are pounds or what ever , now lets convert that to american dollars and then tally up how many kids in africa that could feed, how breakfast it could provide for children in the UK who might go to school without one...."
But let's be realistic it wouldn't would it, if it was sent to Africa the vast majority of it would not go to the people whom need it and live in the slums, and if it was to be used in the UK there would be parents who would find a way to not spend it on the children - if it even made it to those families in the first place! Which tbh if the family wanted to donate that money to charity they would have already - so although it could benefit others it never really would!
Carolyn - posted on 04/13/2011
that is interesting Loureen.
About the only thing interesting about it for me. I really could care less and get tired of seeing all the crap on the news.
I was appauled at Canada's CTV national news when they aired a story on who was rumored to be sewing the dress. Yeah because some good cause couldnt use some coverage or recognition for good deads and maybe bring some pubilicity to up donations newp, gotta fucking know who MIGHT be making the dress..
are you effing kidding me ?
And i could care less who you are marrying, if 100k is "part" of the bill.. you are wasteful and selfish. especially since those are pounds or what ever , now lets convert that to american dollars and then tally up how many kids in africa that could feed, how breakfast it could provide for children in the UK who might go to school without one....
pardon me while i vomit.
Charlie - posted on 04/13/2011
"For the Mail can reveal that William and Kate are distant cousins. Not only that, the common ancestor who links the two lovers is a murderous despot whose bloody deeds have been deliberately forgotten by history. Until now.
The man who links William and Kate as kith and kin is Sir Thomas Leighton, an Elizabethan soldier, diplomat and, for 40 years, the cut-throat Governor of Guernsey.
He is William's 12th generation great-grandparent, and Kate's 11th, making them 12th cousins, once removed."
NOW THAT is interesting !!
I find it kind of funny that it's such a huge deal here in the U.S. They're doing specials on it on TLC and it's in every gossip magazine. I'm with Kate, I dont' really care either way. I might watch some of it if I catch it on. I didn't get to see Charles and Diana because I wasn't born yet so this is my first Royal wedding.
Louise - posted on 04/12/2011
I just see it as a day off with my husband and kids. I will watch a bit of it but I wont sit there for hours like I did when Charles and Diana married 30 years ago. I don't think any body gives a dam in England we are all fed up with hearing about it. Just get on with it guys.
Jenn - posted on 04/08/2011
I am sick of hearing it but I do like Katie, I think she is an independent woman who didnt rush into the marriage, hence the nickname "waity katie", she seems to have a good head on her shoulders, but meh i dont care either way...
Johnny - posted on 04/08/2011
I can see that it may well make the UK more than it costs. Unfortunately, the costs for security and such will be born by the taxpayers and the profits will be reaped by private companies. So it's great for a few businesses, but not so hot for taxpayers who are already losing a lot of services.
Can't wait to see her dress though ;-)
I am sick of hearing about it. I think it is severely wasteful to spend that much money on a wedding for a marriage that might not last. I don't think it's a useless necessity, every bride should feel special on that day (although like I said, they need to cut back on the cost of everything!) In a way it is kind of like a modern day fairytale with the handsome prince and the "peasant" girl. Don't know if I spelled that word right but oh well. lol
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