Sex Ed in schools...

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4279764/sex-

I am so disturbed by this. No kid 5 yrs old should know anything about sex. Even teaching 10 yr old different sex positions is totally wrong. I am so against this! Sex education is the parent's responsibility, not the schools. The kids are in school to learn to read, write, math, stuff like that. They are not there to learn about sex!!
My daughter starts kindergarten this fall & I will be sure to ask if they do a sex ed program & make sure my child does not participate.

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LaCi - posted on 07/13/2010

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Jenifer, they aren't really teaching them about sexual positions, they're just including information about oral and anal sex since theres a huge misconception in our world that they're somehow safer.

Heather - posted on 07/12/2010

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Shannon, first of all, the link you provided needs to have a disclaimer...because in order to get to the speaker you were talking about you have to listen to a Dr. describe in explicit detail, how he did abortions in the 80's. (and there is no way to skip ahead) I only listened to about 15 min...but it was excruciating from the very beginning starting with the prayer, which as a woman who is pro choice, was pretty offensive. You started this post under the heading of sex ed in schools...but I have the feeling you just wanted to throw your pro life/anti abortion propaganda out there.

You need to consider that this group has over 3,000 members...I am sure that some of these woman may have had an abortion at one point in their lives and posting such graphic content is inappropriate and off topic.

LaCi - posted on 07/12/2010

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LMAO



Shannon, I've been through sex ed in public schools. It has nothing to do with abortion, quite frankly they never even ADDRESSED abortion. We primarily discussed STDs, condoms as prevention and birth control- all the while saying the only sure fire way to not get pregnant is to not have sex.



But I'll go ahead and say, I'm all for a fucking abortion so quite frankly if they HAD talked about abortion, more power to them.



About the gang bangs, I was joking. but seriously, what exactly do you think your kids are going to do unsupervised? I can't imagine not trusting my kid to make responsible decisions.

Johnny - posted on 07/12/2010

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I completely and totally agree with detailed and comprehensive sexual education for children in schools. I want my kids to learn about sex like they learn about spelling. I want them getting all the proper, up-to-date information as soon as they are developmentally ready to understand the concepts. I have no desire to hide sexual concepts from my children.

I do not subscribe to the idea that there are moral implications to sexual behavior. There are health and psychological implications, and children need to be prepared from an early age to deal with these realities. I want my daughter to be prepared to make decisions that are in the best interest of her health, her happiness, her success, and her goals in life. I plan to be frank and clear about sex. I do not plan to hide any aspect of sexuality from her. I will tell her what I think she is ready for, but I will also make it clear that she can ask me any question and I will answer it. And I would like to do this before she hits the age where she finds it to embarrassing.

I don't want her to discover sex the way I did, when my friend and I found a gay male porno mag in the laneway behind our house. Fortunately for us, later that year, when we were 8, our school started a comprehensive sex ed program similar to what was outlined in that article. It cleared up a whole lot of confusion, misunderstanding, and fear that we had been holding on to. And as you can imagine, we certainly hadn't gone to our parents with our issues. Just being told where babies come from would not really have helped me sort out what was going on. But the sex educator talked about ALL aspects of sexuality, including same-sex relationships, and that was very helpful.

I also want to make sure that our children receive information about this issue in the home, because I do not want other values and society's prudishness to be the only lessons they learn about sexuality. We do not believe that sex is linked to love & marriage, and feel that sharing our beliefs will free our kids from the harmful guilt associations that have been built around sex and our ability to explore our own true sexuality.

Krista - posted on 07/12/2010

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I see nothing wrong with a 5-year old knowing how babies are made, as long as the information is tailored to the child's maturity level and understanding.

And if a lack of sexual education only affected the child in question, then I would agree that it should be up to the parents to teach them. Unfortunately, there are a lot of parents out there who are misinformed, or shy, or who think that ignorance equals abstinence. And you then have these kids going out into the world who think that you can avoid pregnancy by jumping up and down after sex.

Ignorance about basic biology has negative repercussions for all of society, not just for the family in question. That is why I think it is crucial to have sex ed in schools, because too many parents cannot be depended upon to get past their own hang-ups and at least let their child know the basic biological facts about the reproductive system.

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Kimberly - posted on 06/11/2011

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sorry for the laungauge but oh my fucking god really people. i would pull my child out of a school that taught this. it is my job to teach them in the way i see fit and no school is going to be apart of it that young. high school yes middle school touch basis with it. around 11 talk about puberty. yes. but in no way in hell does that involve sex positions or whether your gay or not. and no way starting that young. holy shit.

Jaime - posted on 07/14/2010

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Comprehensive sex education is massively important to the emotional and mental maturity of our children. A five year old is not too young to know that they have a penis or a vagina...so they are definitely not too young to start learning about sex. I think there are certain levels of understanding that need to be taken into consideration, but at the core of it, sex education is important--and really the only true force against such teachings is the personal and moral discomforts of the parents. We need to make sure out kids are well-prepared for their futures...math, english, science, history, phys-ed, AND sex 101. We go to school to learn to become productive citizens...we can't be productive if we are too busy being pregnant and living on welfare or struggling through university at some point down the road. Pro-active health care, pro-active sex education---I say HELL YA!

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okay lets get back on track with this conversation everyone...if we cant Ill have to close it for further comments. Thanks for your understanding!!

Amber - posted on 07/14/2010

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Obama and Bush both deserve a lot of blame for a lot of things...but I'm not sure how that factors into this debate...

LaCi - posted on 07/14/2010

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I didn't blame bush for much. Although I did find him embarrassing. Especially when you'd see the way Putin looked at him during speeches.. lol His facial expressions showed what most everyone else was thinking.

Heather - posted on 07/14/2010

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Yes Kati, I agree...its just the man tryin to keep a brotha down lol I mean, I blamed Bush for everything, but he deserved it :)

Rosie - posted on 07/14/2010

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i cannot believe how many people think it is obamas fault for everything that happens in this country, even YEARS before he took office, probably before he was born!! lol!

Heather - posted on 07/14/2010

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I, for one have never even heard of a marijuana machine...but it sounds like a wonderful idea. ;)

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um. hmm Can you be very specific and say exactly what the President did in regard to sex education in schools? Please be specific because at the moment, I don't understand your rhetoric.

Johnny - posted on 07/14/2010

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6.5% of 12 year olds engaging in anal sex?!?!? This screams out for more comprehensive detailed education not less. I would imagine that these 12 year olds got information on this behavior through non-educational channels (older siblings, internet, etc.) and have no idea about the health risks of that behavior.

Johnny - posted on 07/14/2010

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ScienceDaily (Apr. 10, 2009) — Middle school youth are engaging in sexual intercourse as early as age 12, according to a study by researchers at The University of Texas School of Public Health.

Results from this study are published in the April issue of Journal of School Health.

Christine Markham, Ph.D., assistant professor of behavioral science at the UT School of Public Health, and colleagues examined sexual risk behaviors among middle school students in a large southeastern U.S. urban public school district.

“This is one of the few school-based studies conducted with this age group to look at specific sexual practices in order to develop more effective prevention programs,” Markham said. “This study shows that although most seventh graders are not engaging in sexual risk behaviors, a small percentage are putting themselves at risk.”

In the study, Markham and colleagues defined sexual intercourse as vaginal, oral or anal sex. According to their research, by age 12, 12 percent of students had already engaged in vaginal sex, 7.9 percent in oral sex, 6.5 percent in anal sex and 4 percent in all three types of intercourse.

Markham said, “These findings are alarming because youth who start having sex before age 14 are much more likely to have multiple lifetime sexual partners, use alcohol or drugs before sex and have unprotected sex, all of which puts them at greater risk for getting a sexually transmitted disease (STD) or becoming pregnant.”

The study found one-third of sexually active students reported engaging in vaginal or anal sex without a condom within the past three months, and one-fourth had four or more partners. The more experienced students in all three types of intercourse were more likely to be male and African-American.

“We need to develop prevention programs that address the needs of students who are not yet sexually active in order to promote skills and attitudes to help them wait until they are older to have sex,” Markham said. “And we need to provide skills and knowledge related to condoms and contraception for youth who are already sexually active.”

The study recommends that sexually active students also need to receive accurate and factual information and services related to STDs and pregnancy testing, as well as skills for future abstention and risk reduction for those who intend to remain sexually active.

More than one-third of youth in the study reported engaging in precoital touching behaviors. Among the students who engaged in precoital behavior, 43 percent reported having engaged in sexual intercourse.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 80 percent of the 435,427 births to mothers ages 15 to 19 were the result of unintended pregnancies. According to the National Vital Statistics Report, birth rates among Hispanic and black teens remain higher than other racial/ethnic groups, including rates among those ages 10 to 14.

In 2000, youth between the ages of 15 and 24 accounted for 9.1 million or 48 percent of all new STD cases, according to a report by the CDC. Minority youth also are disproportionately affected. The CDC’s 2006 STD Surveillance Report stated that minority racial and ethnic populations had higher rates of STDs when compared to whites and, although black teens represent only 17 percent of U.S. teenagers, they account for 70 percent of HIV/AIDS cases reported among teens. “We need more research to develop effective interventions, in particular for youth of color living in underserved areas,” Markham said.

“A common misperception among adolescents is that oral or anal intercourse is not as risky for STD transmission,” said Markham. “But transmission of non-viral and viral STDs can occur through all three types of intercourse when condoms are not used.”

Johnny - posted on 07/14/2010

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Puritan nonsense! I can not come up with one good reason in my head that children should not be taught that curriculum aside from parental discomfort. I want my child to be very well prepared to look after her sexual health and psychological well-being.

"Male teens who received sex education in school were 71 percent less likely — and similarly educated female teens were 59 percent less likely — to have sexual intercourse before age 15. Males who attended school, meanwhile, were 2.77 times more likely to rely upon birth control the first time they had intercourse if they had been in sex-education classes."
~Mueller TE, Gavin LE, Kulkarni A. The association between sex education and youth’s engagement in sexual intercourse, age at first intercourse, and birth control use at first sex. J Adolesc Health 42(1), 2008.

LaCi - posted on 07/14/2010

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I'm seriously afraid to bring up my son in this country because of people who think things like that. Just saying.

As for cigarettes, liberal politicians are essentially anti smoking.

Marijuana machines won't happen, because cigarettes machines can't even happen. It violates the checking of ID... and obama is PRO war on drugs, unfortunately IMO, so I'm not sure how that even comes into play with your obama nonsense.

Krista - posted on 07/14/2010

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Um, Lisette? Sex ed has been around for a lot longer than Obama's presidency, darling.

And a lot of kids already smoke.

And "machines with marijuana"? What on earth are you even talking about?

LaCi - posted on 07/14/2010

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"I am bothered but this as well. It upsets me how America has changed since Obama came into office."

Oh my god. SERIOUSLY? did you just crawl out of a cave or something?

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Im open with my kids they ask and i tell them the truth but i dont think its some of what they want to teach kids is right. They shouldnt be taught about homosexuality, anal sex or abortions. They should be taught how to protect themselves from disease and pregnancy. Also be told enough at a young age that they know abuse is wrong. My oldest son recently had a sex ed class (hes 11) and mostly they talked about body changes. We have the opt out option here i had to sign a letter to allow him to take the class in the first place, i would definately be opting out if they were teaching him sexual positions and oral sex.

Johnny - posted on 07/13/2010

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Yeah, Heather, I laughed when I read that second mention of gay porn lying around. What kind of self-respecting man (gay or straight) looses track of his porn like that? Most guys have it carefully hidden away ranked by breast and/or penis size depending on preference. I was also flashed in the same place a year later when I was out playing with my neighbor. Perhaps there was in some sort of vortex of perversion in our laneway. It is a good neighbourhood. gqtms ;-)

Christina - posted on 07/13/2010

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I am all for it personally! I think the earlier the better! In this day and age children become pregnant every day, if they were better informed, it may not be as big an issue. Our children are maturing a whole lot faster too. The very second my son asks me anything regarding sex education, depending on his age, I will explain it to him in the best and most appropos way possible! If mom chooses to put her head in the sand with such issues, child will suffer!

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I wanted to see when my daughter would be going through sex ed and in our district they don't even touch it until 7th grade. I think that's a little late (honestly), but I am also one of those parents who WILL be talking to my daughter about that stuff and I WILL answer any questions she has with age appropriate honesty.

She was 5 when we had our 2nd child and when she asked how that baby got in my tummy I told her that daddy put it there with his magic wand... not totally the truth, but we felt she was too youg. Besides, when she finds out the real meaning of "magic wand" later in life I don't think she'll be mad at us for using a different term. :)

As for abortion being "taught" in school, I honestly didn't even know what abortion was until I was around 19 or 20 (yes, I led a fairly sheltered life before I met my hubby and moved away from home). They never mentioned it in school, not even in my 8th grade health class (where we had to watch a movie of a woman giving birth - and the teacher rewound it and played it over and over again about 5 or 6 times... it was actually quite weird to see the baby go back in then come out again! lol).

I also looked through the curriculum for the sex ed course (it's actually just a small class taught over 2 days) in 7th grade in our district and it's all about STDs, safe sex, bodies (with the boys in one room and the girls in another, but both learning about both sexes) and then there's a bullet point that says "Aproaching common myths about sex" as well. I will let my daughter do the class when the time comes, but I will not let that class be the only source of sex ed she has. She already knows she can talk to her dad or me about anything at any time.

Heather - posted on 07/13/2010

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What I want to know is who are these people leaving gay porn mags in random places??? LOL

Rosie - posted on 07/13/2010

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i was talking to my husband about this thread to see what he thought. his first reaction was, why do 5th graders need to know about oral sex? then i politely reminded him of his age when he first had sex (which was 13), and he started messing around before that (oral sex). he changed his mind pretty damn quickly, gqtm ;)

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Shannon, I live in NYS. We are generally more liberal than most states. After all, I can walk around topless if I want and it's legal. I wouldn't because I don't want to be responsible for the ensuing eye gouging but anyway.

I remember the sex ed in school and NO ONE mentioned abortion until my senior year when we had representatives from Planned Parenthood who gave a very good talk on the proper use of birth control and the local Anti-Abortion league who held up plastic fetuses and told us how many babies were murdered each year.

And that was it. My son had some minor sex ed in 8th grade this past shcool year. I reviewed the materials and signed the consent form. Abortion was not mentioned then either.

So I wonder about the real agenda here.

LaCi - posted on 07/13/2010

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I remember when I first learned about anal sex ;x when I was like, 7 i think, my cousin and I found a gay magazine on the railroad tracks and of course we read it, and i learned what anal was from a very sad but strange advice column that, looking back, was so strange it had to have been a prank letter lol. Kind of off topic.. but yeah.

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Ah right LaCi =] Over here we're taught that they aren't any safer and a condom should always be used unless you're in a commited relationship and know they don't have anything but I still think it's a little early to be teaching them that anyways. At age 10 I knew what sex was but I didn't have a clue about anal sex and its right I didn't.

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I believe sex education should be taught in schools and at home by the parents but it should be age appropriate. Teaching 10 year olds sexual positions is not acceptable. I first had sex ed at age 10 and it was mainly to explain the stages of puberty and what a penis and vagina did.

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I listened to her, and if that is what they are doing then that is pretty messed up. However I think we need to look at the bigger problem here...why would they want to sell abortions? to make $$$...The system that allows for profit health care is at fault here!

On a side note, I've gone to planned parenthood and have not found them to work like this, atleast in WA. I have only EVER found them to be quite comprehensive about everything! If you are breeding stupid people who don't know how to question their health care providers and what not then IDK what to tell you? Even she said we need to have parents talking to the kids... So what can we do to get parents of children to give their kids comprehensive sex education? Because I still refuse to think that giving your kids comprehensive education is what breeds this amount of stupidity! People who know how to protect themselves from diseases and pregnancy are better equipped then those who are not. The sooner you know what to look out for and how to protect yourself in situations the better off you are! In this I'm not saying teach kindergarteners how to have sex, just that they needc to have age appropriate information and that it shouldn't be a dump it all on at once in their preteens, but rather a collaborative effort brought out as inquiries persist

Jane - posted on 07/12/2010

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I remember when my now 20 year old was 3 and I was pregnant with my son. She was always in the bathroom with me and one day, she asked me, "mommy, how is he gonna get out of there". So, I told her...obviously as age appropriate as I could but I figured if she asked, I'd explain. I remember this like it was yesterday...she said "ouch mamma....that's gonna hurt". And I said "yep" and she started asking if it hurt with her and I said "yep" and she said "you're a good mommy". LOL. The good thing is that I've always had a very opened relationship with my kids about sex, about the body....about everything! AND, what I got out of that was very responsible kids who came to me for everything...including birth control pills when she was "thinking" about having sex with her boyfriend....with whom she is still with after 4 years!

I think if parents TALK to their kids with an open, honest dialogue, no matter what the age, as long as it's age appropriate, you have well informed kids who know about everything and don't take chances. That's always been my philosophy. By the time my kids had sex-ed in school, they were bored to tears because they already knew it all.

And, to stir the pot a little ;) I think abstinence only programs are ineffective!

Sunny - posted on 07/12/2010

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I am all for sex ed as young as possible. I also strongly believe that that should include information about laws, rights and molestation. Oh and the average age for girls to start their menstrual cycle in Australia is 10 years old.

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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010...

Go to this link...it has the PDF of the entire document but it highlights, by grade, what would be taught.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong BUT I will say this...sex education SHOULD be a parents responsibility, however, there are MANY parents out there that do not teach it because they believe ingnorance is bliss when it comes to this subject. If ALL parents actually TAUGHT their children about sex, then the school systems would not feel a need to do it. That's the problem!!!

Jenny - posted on 07/12/2010

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I am a tomboy too. All my friends were guys. When I was 15 I would be out with them till midnight. What were we doing? Usually drinking coffee at the truck stop.

I think it is completely ridiculous to seperate your girls from the boys, that is ASKING for trouble. You've just made them taboo and even more appealingn should they feel rebelious. It causes girls to get better at lying to their parents.

Groups also don't do much. They will have sex with others in the room. Also good point on the girl-girl Laci, it IS trendy these days. They also beleive it is safer and don't understand STI's can still be transmitted through girl-girl contact. Or having anal sex to avoid pregnancy and remain "a virgin". I would much rather kids have factual information to make their choices with.

Krista - posted on 07/12/2010

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Erin makes a good point. I used to sleep over at my best friend's house when I was about 7, and her older brother would have a friend over. One time they ran in our room and waggled their penises at us, and then ran away. It was funny and gross, but it does go to show that the parents can't be watching the kids every single waking second, so it's best for kids to know what's what so that playful experimentation doesn't go horribly wrong.

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Better take their phones away too cuz they are all sexting any ways! Who needs to even be there for sex? Send pics online or over the phone! Ahh, gotta love technology!

Rosie - posted on 07/12/2010

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aaaahhh everybodies turning gay!!! run for the hills!

you know laci they wouldn't be making out with those other girls if they hadn't learned about other types of families in the first place!! gqtm! ;)

LaCi - posted on 07/12/2010

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lets not forget girls making out with girls at slumber parties. Doesn't have to be a boy around for something to go down..

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I have 4 brothers and could have slept with any of their friends during any of the umptine sleepovers they had! Under MY parent's roof! With them there!!! I didn't, but that was because of ME not them! With 6 kids in my little 3 bdrm single wide trailer there wasn't exactly room to be hiding! I know kids who were having sex on the school bus on the way home! Or others who would during breaks @ school! Granted, that was MS/HS, but I'm sure if that's what you were working on in 5th grade you could probably work it out there too! If not more so as they aren't really looking for that behavior in that age group...

Sherri - posted on 07/12/2010

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It doesn't matter it is what I and all of my kids friends have agreed too. No kids over unless an adult is present period. No opposite sex friends over unless it is the group.

Rosie - posted on 07/12/2010

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i feel the man was a total creep, lol!! yes kids need to know about different types of families out there, duh! and if they think that by knowing this it is going to turn their child gay, than i guess i have no words. how ignorant can you possibly be? and what, by the way is so wrong with being gay? gah!!!



and about 5th graders and knowing different sexual things like oral sex. my son is going into fifth grade this year, he is 10. they taught him about his parts and what happens to him last year, so if i remember correctly this year will be the year they go into what happens to the other sex. i see nothing wrong with them being informed and having the knowledge of what dangers there are out there of ANY sexual activity that they do. i think it's crucial to teach the child about these things BEFORE they start doing them which is getting younger and younger these days. i have always said age 11, is when i'm going to start talking to my son about sex and all that is involved with it, that will be during his 5th grade year. so i guess i don't see what the big friggin deal is. just a bunch more crap that pro-lifers out there can throw around and then wonder why there are so many abortions. TEACH them about it, and it will be less likely to happen, duh!!

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