The Duggars..

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012 ( 38 moms have responded )

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So, I saw another documentary on the Duggars. Why ANYONE would want that many kids is beyond me but all the power to them. What is your opinion?? I was pretty impressed to see they are self sufficient and financially sound on their own. Of course their fame will add to that now but initially they were self sustaining before fame hit. I was impressed how well organized their house was...I loved their house!!

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Johnny - posted on 03/25/2012

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Krista pretty much summed up exactly what my response to you would be Amanda (although probably more eloquently). One child per person should be encouraged. That would be two children per couple. I am not advocating making it illegal to have more, banning it or anything like that. But simply that smaller families should be strongly encouraged and rewarded. And yes, there will be people who have no children, which will be covered by the people who end up having 3 or 4 kids. Families don't need to be producing 5 + kids to balance out those that aren't procreating. Not to mention, that although we don't like to admit it, we have ALREADY over stretched the ability of the earth to manage our population and a slow, natural decline in numbers would be a good thing for all of us.



You can breastfeed, cloth diaper, and grow your own veggies all you like. So do I. But when it comes down to it, our kids still require food and water, fossil fuels and other non-renewable resource products. By adding all these additional humans to the earth, we inevitably consume more than we would if we did not add those extra people. By a long shot. No amount of "pat yourself on the back" eco-living habits will change that.



We are robbing our children of their future by making too many of them. I want my children to have the opportunity for the best future possible, sadly, I know they're just going to be scraping at the bits left over on the earth and fighting for the rapidly diminishing supply of fresh water :( People assume my strong stance against over-procreation comes from not liking children. But it is actually the complete opposite. There is NO moral stance in over populating. In my view it is the greatest sin of humankind.

Minnie - posted on 03/03/2012

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It's their religious beliefs that I disagree with. I come from that background and I fully know what it entails. I disagree with the quiverful movement. I disagree with ATI education and the strict rules that are enforced for families to be a part of it. I disagree with their beliefs on the role of women and with discipline of children.



And yes, I disagree with popping out 19 children and...counting.

Krista - posted on 03/25/2012

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A lot of people DON'T think of that. They say that they're being environmentally conscious, and so they're not using too many resources.



But how can they guarantee that their kids will grow up to be environmentally conscious.



Not to mention the fact that no matter HOW environmentally conscious you are, you're still going to consume a shit-ton of fresh water. Between drinking water, and the water needed to produce livestock and grow grain, the average human consumes between 2-4 liters of fresh water a day.



So when it comes to water consumption, there is a BIG difference between having two kids, and having 20.

Krista - posted on 03/25/2012

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Amanda, I don't believe that Johnny is saying that having more than one child per person should be illegal -- simply that it should be discouraged.



Right now, you've got asshats like the Duggars who make having that many kids look easy and fun and desirable. And it is incredibly irresponsible for society to promote that type of thing.



And you may feel that how you raise a child affects their carbon footprint -- and it does, to a degree...while they're still children.



But think of it this way: if I have two kids, they'll grow up, and build homes, and use water, and eat food, and travel in cars.



The Duggars are putting 20 more people on the planet (18 net, once she and Jim Bob kick it), and those 18 people will be building homes, and using water, and eating food and traveling in cars.



And that's not when you even start counting how many kids THEY'LL have.



So you can cloth diaper all you want, but unless all of the Duggar's kids grow up and decide to live in yurts and collect rainwater, and grow their own veggies, there is NO freaking way that they'll use fewer of the earth's resources than my two kids.

Robin - posted on 03/08/2012

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I think the kids are robots and I think it is sick that the duggers are on TV After watching them with the last baby Josie u would think they would not want themselves and there children to go threw that again and she gets pregnate again please she is sick to still want to be pregnate and god is not giving her these babies he is for god sakes she has enough kids give it up and the bull crap on how they allow there kids to meet there future husbands and wifes I feel like throwing up I have only watched 5 shows and think people should stop watching them so they can get off tv I wonder how well they would do without there fame and now the oldest boy and his wife are on there way to making another clan of duggers and another tv show maybe if we stopped watching his poor wife will have to stop havin babies and I thought godly families did not believe in exploding there children????????

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America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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The Duggers are great! Micheele is so kind and gentle when diciplining the children and Jim Bob is a great Dad! It really is none of my business as to how many kids they have. That's for God to judge.

Sarah - posted on 04/15/2012

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No they do not believe in birth control or anything like that they NEVER use protection! They just have kids its what they do lol.

Alexis - posted on 04/02/2012

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what an interesting read, the last time i watched a documentary was when they had 16 kids i think. i do believe their is time in a womans life where she should stop reproducting. i feel that the loss of her last child is telling her to stop... i dont feel you can stop women from having children, it is a womens right to have or not to have children, yes there are women out there who cant have children and yes there are women out there who have more than enough. if you start capping it at one child a person, then what happens if you divorce and your new partner dosnt have a child and you have?

it opens up a pandoras box..

they are self sufficent, let them be..

Kat - posted on 03/30/2012

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Wow. i just saw the post below. I only watched a couple of show---rarely watch TV--so I had no idea of the babies and the setting up of their children's marriages.



Sounds like there is so much more than I knew.



Crazy..

Kat - posted on 03/30/2012

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I was impressed when I saw the show. And I could use a few more hands around my house to help me with the chores. They definitely raised them to help each other.



Also, one of the kids had a point when she said there is always someone to play with and they live on allot of land.

Unfortunantely, I was only able to have one and it was too late to adopt.



Also, they home school the children so it keeps them away from the bad habits of the kids at school that my child keeps picking up.

Krista - posted on 03/27/2012

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Honestly, our planet would be a LOT better off if everybody just had one or two kids. Our global population growth is already outpacing our resources, especially due to the fact that population growth is exponential.



It took until 1804 for the world population to reach one billion. It only took another 123 years to reach two billion. And it only took 33 years after that to reach three billion.



Thereafter, the global population reached four billion in 1974, five billion in 1987, six billion in 1999 and, according to a United Nations estimate, seven billion in October 2011.



That's fucking terrifying. Three billion people have been added to the world's population -- just within my own lifetime. At this rate, and with this kind of exponential growth, how long will it take before we're adding a billion people to the planet every year? And then every month? And then...every day?



To say, "Oh, well, I have five kids, but we grow our own food and use cloth diapers" is to look no farther than your own nose.

Mother - posted on 03/26/2012

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There is a book I read years ago that advocated having just one child.....trying to remember it. I wan to say the Celestine Prophesy....now I must go check!!

Mother - posted on 03/25/2012

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Johnny and Krista...........you both raise a really good point. One I hadn't thought about. I never thought ahead to when they would all leave their carbon footprint upon our already maxed out earth. Thanks for that.....:)

Amanda - posted on 03/22/2012

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Johnny I am curious how many kids do you have? To say more than one kid per person is wrong is a bit harsh. So what are you proposing should be done with any pregnancy that occurs past #1?



The cost of a child and their impact depends heavily on how they are raised. My kids for example are breastfed and cloth diapered, they stay with me 24-7 no babysitting cost... My babies are low maintenance and cheaper than the other kids in my family.

Mother - posted on 03/22/2012

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I don't see anything wrong with it. If you can provide for your family then I see no reason why anyone should judge them. Not that long ago families this large were normal and small families were the minority. I was literally amazed at how well the house ran and how organized they all were.

Minnie - posted on 03/20/2012

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Most families who follow and adhere to Gothard philosophy won't adopt because it's strongly discouraged. It's believed that when you do adopt, the family will inherit the generational sins of the adopted child.

Jasmine - posted on 03/20/2012

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To each their own I guess, but I wonder why they don't they adopt if they wanted a large family and can manage the household with that many kids. It seems like have that many kids in quick succession is not healthy. Since her last child was born preemie in what seemed like a tough pregnancy, it seems like that is a sign to take a break from the babymaking.,

Mother - posted on 03/03/2012

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They might get money from their show now but for the last 20 some years they didn't have the show. They are self sufficient...and that's pretty impressive. I have nothing against their way of life....I just wouldn't want it for myself.

Sherri - posted on 03/03/2012

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Brittany I can't even fathom how your expenses are so low. I have 4 kids so a family of 6 and our electric bill is $200 a month, $50 water bill for 3 months and we don't have gas.



Heck Lisa I can't afford to eat the way you do and I only have 4 kids.

Minnie - posted on 03/03/2012

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I could never imagine feeding a family of 21 on our diet. No wonder why a staple of theirs is 'tater tot casserole.'

Brittney - posted on 03/03/2012

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Three people live in my house our water bill never gets higher than $35.00/3 months, our electricity bill is $50/mo, and our gas bill is $70/mo. I cannot imagine paying for that many kids, they must get money from their show...

Krista - posted on 03/03/2012

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Exactly. You can line-dry your clothes all you want, but you are NOT going to offset the environmental impact of 19 kids. Just the freshwater usage alone would stagger you.

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I have no problem w/ large families. I definitely think 19 is a tad too extreme though. When I think of large families I'm more thinking around 5-6 kids. :)

Johnny - posted on 03/03/2012

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More than 1 child per person is wrong in my opinion. I believe that over-population will be what kills off our species, or at least decimates it back to the stone age. But we love our procreation, so there's nothing I can say that will convince people that adding to our population is a dangerous plan, I've learned that by now :)



And no, frugal and ecological lifestyle practice by large families are NOT going to mitigate their negative impact.

Krista - posted on 03/03/2012

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I think what Johnny's getting at is that people like the Duggars glamorize the notion of having extremely large families. They make it look easy and fun. That's extremely unrealistic -- very few families would have the financial means that they do. And like it or not, it IS a drain on our planet's resources to pump out that many kids. I'm not going to quibble with people who have three or four kids -- they're probably offset by people who have no children, or only one.



But 19 freaking kids? That should not be encouraged, glamorized or promoted in any way, shape or form.

Sherri - posted on 03/02/2012

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Then Johnny you must be opposed to most parents with more than 2 children on this board?

Johnny - posted on 03/02/2012

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I am morally opposed to the encouragement to over-population. I see their fame as promoting a habit harmful to our survival and success as a species.

Mother - posted on 03/02/2012

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I'm with you Sherri. Even tho I'm not Christian, I think if you can afford that many children and it works....AWESOME. Back in the day it was nothing for families to have 13-15 kids and that only stopped because of pharmaceuticals and the cost of living.



"And with 19 kids that's a lot of help" -- and with 19 kids that's a lot of mess and laundry and dishes and and and...LOL

Sherri - posted on 03/01/2012

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I think they are an amazing family and amazing parents. They are doing a wonderful job raising all those children.



I have 4 boys and would have loved to have had more children if I could have but God had different plans and decided that 4 children for us, was what we were meant to have.

Anna - posted on 03/01/2012

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I know very little about the Duggars but I imagine the kids are helping her organize and clean. And with 19 kids that's a lot of help, even if some of them are still young.

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What doesn't impress me is that I thinnk having that many children is a sickness, a need to constantly be pregnant is an illness. I think she's a woman to be pitied frankly.

Minnie - posted on 02/28/2012

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Not impressed in the slightest. I come from their religious background and I know the ins and outs of it.



No, they don't believe in birth control.

Mother - posted on 02/28/2012

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Well, I'm not sure if they believe in birth control or not. Does anyone here know??

Morgan - posted on 02/28/2012

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I think it's great that they can afford a large family but they had Josie #19 at 24 weeks and just lost baby Jubilee #20 at 18 weeks. I think it's time to stop having babies!!

Brittney - posted on 02/26/2012

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I don't see how anyone can afford to have more than 1 child, according to http://www.babycenter.com/cost-of-raisin... We (my husband and I) will pay a Total cost: $240,050 for one child...multiply that by 3 and this new total is $720,150! and thats just for 3 kids, I couldn't imagine how I could raise 16, 17, 18, or even 19 kids!

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