The Future Of American Education

?? - posted on 09/24/2010 ( 28 moms have responded )

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http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/The-Shock...

Waiting For Superman ( http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/ ) is a new documenary "about the state of public school systems in America, told through the eyes of five hopeful students. Each is eager to get an education, but in a system riddled with ineffective teachers, staggering dropout rates and schools that are literally falling apart, the odds are more than stacked against them."

The show on Monday led to many responses from viewers. Saying everything from they had no idea it was that bad, to blaming teachers, unions and parents. But everyone, in their own personal way, was fired up.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Viewers-R...

U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan says the film Waiting For "Superman" reminds him of a "Rosa Parks moment."

"When the country looked at Rosa Parks and looked in her eyes and saw her tremendous dignity and saw her humanity, the country was compelled to act," he says. "When you look at the eyes of Anthony and Daisy and the other children in this movie and their parents and their quiet desperation and how much they want a great education and how they know they may be denied that opportunity, it compels all of us to act with a huge sense of urgency. You cannot watch this movie and stay on the sidelines."

Secretary Duncan says education is the key to a better economy. "We used to lead the world in college graduates. Today, we're ninth," he says. "We have to drive reform."


"I would like to say to everybody who thinks, 'My kids are doing okay': This is your country," Oprah says. "When other kids in your country aren't doing okay, eventually your country won't do okay."

Oprah spoke with Bill Gates on her show on monday, today she was talking to Mayer of Newark, Cory Booker.

Many parents want a great education for their kids, Mayor Booker says, but it's not always in their control. "We should not live in a country anymore where your destiny is determined by how much money you have in your pocket, by what zip code you were born in or by the pick of a [lottery] ball," he says.



For months, Mayor Booker has been working with Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to put politics aside and help turn around the failing schools in Newark.

"What I'm committing to is changing the schools in the city where I was born and spent the first years of my life," Gov. Christie says. "Mayor Booker is going to be the point person, our lead guy in Newark in helping to develop this entirely new plan of how to reform the education system in Newark and create a national model. I'm in charge of the public schools in the city of Newark as governor, and I'm going to empower Mayor Booker to develop that plan and to implement it with a superintendent of schools that we are going to pick together."

For his part, Mark is investing in these leaders to initiate change. "I've committed to starting the Startup Education Foundation, whose first project will be [to set up] a $100 million challenge grant [for Newark]," he says. "Every child deserves an education, and right now that's not happening."

Mark says he chose Newark because he believes that Mayor Booker and Gov. Christie can deliver on their promises. "Running a company, the main thing that I have to do is find people who are going to be really great leaders and invest in them," he says. With this grant, Mark hopes that his partners in this project will have the flexibility they need to implement new programs and turn Newark into a symbol of educational excellence for the whole nation.

Now that this partnership is in place, Mayor Booker says the next step is to get the people of Newark involved. "Nobody gets a pass. We need to take leadership from parents, from teachers and from students themselves," he says.

Though a plan hasn't yet been formulated for exactly how the millions will be used, the three critical focuses must be to support teachers, design systems of accountability and support schools of excellence, Mayor Booker says.

Another challenge will be to restore hope to the children of Newark, Gov. Christie says. "What's going on in a place like Newark is we have violence and we have drug use," he says. "Children don't believe tomorrow can be better than today because we've robbed from them their education."

Mark Zuckerberg also wanted it noted that he initially wanted his participation in this plan to be anonymous. With Oprah, the Mayor and Governor's assistance, he agreed to come on the show and not be anonymous with his addition to this plan.

U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan then said that he commends those 3 men for their work. He says that if Newark can succeed, the rest of America can succeed.




What do you think of all of this? I encourage you to read the links I posted - what I have posted are snippets of the whole story that shows the general picture of what was discussed, as well as some [minimal] of my own commentary of what I saw on the show.

Do you think that the parents, teachers or unions are to blame more so than any other aspect? Do you think it's as big of a problem as it seems to be, or bigger? Will you watch the documentary "Waiting For Superman" ? What are your thoughts on education in YOUR town?

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Good Day! - posted on 09/26/2010

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Gotcha. I'd be interested to see what else he says, because the problem is deeper than that.

?? - posted on 09/25/2010

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Just to clarify a lil bit, those weren't his ONLY solutions - Oprah is only an hour long show though, those were the 2 "simple" things that he talked about during the approximately 15 minute segment that he was on :)

Kate CP - posted on 09/25/2010

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No, not all children do well in a Montessori environment. Some need a more structured setting, like your's, to get the best experience. I don't think all children should do a strict Montessori method of learning. However, I do think we could learn a lot from her method of teaching and alter the way we ask our children to learn in a traditional school to be more flexible for children of different needs.

Sherri - posted on 09/25/2010

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See my son has ADD he still does the exact same work as the other kids but he has to do it a different way he has longer to work on class work and turn it in compared to other kids. He has longer to complete quizzes and tests compared to the other children. He has to still do all the homework assigned but has a little leeway as long as he gets it turned in that week it is counted as on time. So they do adjust the curriculum for each child if they do require that. If we have over 15 students then every class is required to have 1-2 paraprofessional aids in the classroom. We average 15-18 kids until middle school when they are increased. The teachers offer the assistance to a child that is falling behind until they have grasped the work and can excel. If they can not assist enough then they go for half a day to a class called success where they are worked on one on one till they do grasp the concept and can move on. Can they do what ever they want when the want according to what they want to learn that day no. However, my kids thrive on consistency and a schedule and do not do well especially my oldest if that is varied from. So for us we need the actual structure of the school day. Our school only has 2 standardized tests a year and I am okay with that to see where they are at. Montessori schools are great for SOME but not all children will excel there as well.

Kate CP - posted on 09/25/2010

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Hey, teachers get mad props from me, man. I don't have the patience to deal with the brats AND their stupid parents...then pile on the crap from the system...yea. No, thank you. :/

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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agreed. =) And that's why it's frustrating to be a teacher. That and the pay...lol

Kate CP - posted on 09/25/2010

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Oh, I don't blame teachers or schools or kids for any of this. It's the way the system is run that sucks. It's the way we teach in schools that sucks and it's not the teachers faults at all.

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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I agree with what you said about many public schools. Unfortunately, as a teacher, I did have to find a balance of teaching test material and teaching to my students' needs. But that is not really the fault of individual schools and teachers. (I'm not arguing that there are not bad schools and teachers.) If the kids don't pass the test, the school and teachers are penalized. So they are caught in a trap. And the lawmakers have no clue. But with all that said, I still have faith in the public schools my children will attend. I know it's not perfect, but it's our best option. And I have full confidence that my children will succeed in our schools. And I wouldn't dare send them to any other public school around here. Or any private school around here for that matter. Maybe I'd drive 45 minutes to an hour (depending on traffic) one way to the closest Montessori. But most likely I'd homeschool. I'm just thankful that our public schools are actually GOOD.

Kate CP - posted on 09/25/2010

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Every public school I have been to (and I've visited a lot and been to some really "good" schools based on ratings) have taught the same way and it fails the kids every time. They can't take into consideration the children who have special needs. Or the kids who don't take tests well. They teach to the test every time. "No child left behind" is a frickin' joke and the program should be trashed. A school should be set up to allow a child to explore their environment and ask questions at their pace. Not be forced to go from one subject to another on some one else's schedule. They should be allowed to interact and teach each other when they have mastered a skill set. They should be encouraged to problem solve on their own. They shouldn't have their work marked on in red ink. They shouldn't rely on a chalkboard and a lecture to learn something when hardly any adults learn that way. A vast majority of children go to public school in this day and age to be babysat while their parent(s) work. They don't get a good education and they don't enjoy the school experience because its boring and mind numbing. When I hear political leaders talk about increasing funding for schools I whoop and holler because we DO need more funding especially for arts and literature. But in the same sentence they talk about relying more on standardized testing and my heart drops. Is this how we rate schools? Based on how well a kid can fill in a bubble on a ScanTron? I find that very sad. And I don't want my daughter to become another public school statistic.

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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Kate: Montessori is awesome, but not available in my town. I'm glad your children are able to benefit from it. My children will benefit from a fantastic public school. To answer your questions to Sherri (in order): yes (above a certain grade level), no, yes and no (on the teacher or school's schedule, but they won't leave a child behind that hasn't mastered a concept).

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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There are gems to be found in the public school system. You just have to do a little digging to find the good ones. It's sad that you HAVE to do that, though. It's sad that you HAVE to move to a certain area or rely on a lottery system to get a good education for your children. But at the end of the day, we are all doing what we can to ensure our children are getting the best education we can provide. Whether that is moving to a good system, working to pay for private/ Montessori/ Waldorf, or teaching them from home; it is commendable when parents do these things to provide their children with the best. (Sherri, my children would have gone to the good school system I taught in, but I chose to stay home. We lived out of district, so we moved so they could attend these schools. I know where you are coming from!)

But I think that part of the purpose of this film is to open all of our eyes to the bigger picture. There are children out there whose parents just can't do what we are doing. Don't these children deserve better? What is the solution to helping these children receive a good education? They are part of our society. As a country, we should be concerned and fighting for their well-being, because our well-being and our children's depend on it as well.

Kate CP - posted on 09/25/2010

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Sherri: Do they put more than 20 kids in a classroom with one teacher? Do they have to all sit at desks and learn the same way? Do they get to work on what THEY want to work on when THEY want to work on it until they have mastered the item? Then they're all the same and they all have the same problem.

Sherri - posted on 09/25/2010

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It is sooooo sad you feel that way. Your views are clumping all public schools into one and making them all bad is just not sooooo. You really need to view all schools as individuals and realize some are simply amazing and our schools are one of them and we purposely moved here because of that reason. Our gifted students spend half the day in with all the kids and half the day with a more advanced gifted program (beginning in 1st grade) Our children that are struggling receive immense support and help and spend half the day with all the kids and then half the day for what ever needs they require. All teachers make it a point to be available to there students via e-mail for out of school hours and also two days a week 1 hr before school and 1 hr after school for whatever needs they may need. All the teachers make sure they are in very close contact with the parents they call them, introduce themselves and work very closely with the parents to ensure all students excel. I can not gush enough about all the teachers we have had for the past 9 yrs of my kids being in public school (with the exception of one teacher, when my middle son was in 2nd grade).

Kate CP - posted on 09/25/2010

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The public school system sucks. Period. End of discussion: it sucks. I don't think it's any one's fault but the SYSTEM of public school. We jam too many kids into classrooms, teach ALL kids the same way which DOESN'T WORK, send home WAAAAAY too much homework which does nothing but make their brains shut down, we don't put enough money into schools, we put too much money into stupid standardized testing, and a teacher's salary is just a joke.

My kids go to Montessori school and they always will. I will never send my kids to public school. I value their educational experience too much to send them to a place where they'll become another number.

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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Teachers working more and getting rid of bad ones is the solution? I think there's more to it than that.

?? - posted on 09/25/2010

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Oprah asked Geoffrey Canada straight out "What would you do to fix it?" He did talk about what HIS solutions are. He also talks about them in the movie. He, Geoffrey Canada, founded Harlem Children's Zone, a school in the poorest, worst-performing district in New York. There, children attend class from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m., from early August through to the following July. For the past two years, the program has seen nine out of 10 of its children go to college.

Page 3 - 3rd link:

Geoffrey says fixing America's education system is the most important issue our nation has faced in the past 50 years. "If we don't solve this education issue, our country is going to decline," he says. "But let's wait 10 years? It's going to be too late."

For perspective, Geoffrey compares the education system to a business—if this were the case, he says, no CEO would dare run a company this way. "You would never have a system and a business that has failed for 50 years and continues to exist," he says.

Changes, therefore, must be made. One change Geoffrey proposes is for teachers to work one extra hour a day.

"Imagine your community is burning and you call the fire department," Geoffrey says. "The fire department comes, and they work for a few hours and then they say, 'Oh, we're going home.' You say, 'What about my house?' And they say: 'It's 3. We've got to go!'

Another change he proposes is to remove the obstacles some administrators face when they try to remove teachers who aren't educating children. Again, Oprah tells good teachers that this does not apply to them.

"Can we all just come together and agree that we need to do something and stop fighting with each other, and come together and do what's best for the children?" Oprah says.

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Of course, like many viewers pointed out, parents also play a critical role in improving their children's education.

As a father himself, Geoffrey believes in the importance of parental involvement. "It's not simply handing our children off to a school and saying, 'You educate my child, and meanwhile I don't have to pay any attention to this,'" he says.

It's also important for parents to understand the difference between homework and studying. "Your child does his homework, then that's done. Then, they still have to put time in studying so they're preparing," Geoffrey says. "That's why we're being beat by the rest of the world."

Sapphire - posted on 09/25/2010

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Gotcha Sara! Yes, we're on the same page. Yes, leave me alone so I can concentrate on actually teaching instead of spending hours in meetings, in-services, workshops, and analyzing data! I am currently on our school's National Acreditation Committee, which is helpful and useful.....but takes up so much time!

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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"School districts tend to add more and more an dmore to a teacher's plate that ultimately the planning & instructional time gets shorter and shorter.....I feel that I have little control in my classroom."

That is what I meant by "leave teachers alone." NOT not monitor teachers and their students' progress. I think we're pretty much on the same page here. Maybe my wording choice was poor.

Sapphire - posted on 09/25/2010

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"In other words, leave the teachers alone to do their jobs. Hold them to high standards, yes. Make sure they are actually teaching, yes. But trust the teachers to do what they went to university for. A new curriculum mid-year? That's crap. Who does that benefit?"

No, I never said to leave teachers alone to do their jobs. There are times when we (all teachers in general) need a little pressure from the administration and higher powers to make us better teachers. There are reasons and rationale behind quarterly benchmark exams. I personally want to the see the progress made by my students at the benchmark testing every 9 weeks so I know who is struggling and who is far advanced. I agree there are problems with the educational institution at so many levels. Changing the master curriculum map in October is angering many in my district because this past Spring, the district had a committee set up to align standards. Now it's changing again, but we're not going to be effectively trained. School districts tend to add more and more an dmore to a teacher's plate that ultimately the planning & instructional time gets shorter and shorter. Charter schools may or may not be the answer either. There are great ones, and not so great ones. I'm just feeling so frustrated in my career and debating if it's worth it at this point an din this sad job economy. I am grateful to have a job, but on the other hand, I feel that I have little control in my classroom.

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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Maybe I need to watch the entire Oprah episode or go see the movie. From the links I have a hard time finding what the film-maker is suggesting the solution to be. Charter schools?

There is one school around here that I know of that runs by lottery system. It's in the larger school district that my district used to be part of before we pulled out. I spent some time at that school during my teacher training, and it is fabulous. I don't understand why the other schools in the district can't pull off what they do. Why should only select students receive that type of education?

I've had this discussion with my husband before. I've hard other people look at my town's school system and make excuses as to why they can't emulate it. I'm not suggesting that the system here is perfect and free of problems. But we consistently score at least 10 points above the number 2 district in the state. That's a big jump.

Excuses I've heard: "It's a small district." Actually we rank in the middle of all the districts in the state according the size. "It's a rich community." About 60% qualify for the free and reduced lunch program which is based on parent's income. Admittedly, in the inner city it's about 100%, but the other suburban districts are similar in our statistic. "It's all white people in your town" What are you racists? Black kids can't perform well? And it's not true, we are about 50/50.

So what's the difference? Speaking purely from my own experiences, these are the differences I see. The community's attitude towards education is fabulous. Turnout at school functions are huge, parents are involved, and taxes are passed whenever they are proposed. Businesses support the schools. The school board is able to keep the best teachers, and get rid of those that aren't up to standard. Teachers have easy access to trainings and state of the art materials. Teachers write and re-write the curriculum each summer. Instead of being told what to teach by someone who has never been in a classroom, they write the curriculum to fit what works for our students. And they've never had a problem getting the state's approval of the curriculum.

It takes the ENTIRE community to make good schools.

?? - posted on 09/25/2010

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One thing Oprah said (and a couple other people too) is that the teachers that are complaining about the show are the bad teachers, the good teachers are the ones that KNOW there is a problem and are ready to address it, take it on, and stand up in full force to change it.

Good Day! - posted on 09/25/2010

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"I love teaching, and love my job most of the time, but the trickle down effect from principal, to superintendent, to county, to state, to fed government is almost making me want to leave education after 15 years."

In other words, leave the teachers alone to do their jobs. Hold them to high standards, yes. Make sure they are actually teaching, yes. But trust the teachers to do what they went to university for. A new curriculum mid-year? That's crap. Who does that benefit?

Sapphire - posted on 09/25/2010

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I hate being a teacher from Arizona, miserably ranked #49 :-( I truly miss teaching in NJ where the state was constantly ranked in the top 10 for education. I'm looking forward to this film. I know the blame game has been around for generations, long before I ever became a teacher. I am sick of America as a whole being ranked in the bottom of the world's top 30 developed nations for education. I work my frigging ass off every day. I have my Gifted endorsement, ELL endorsement, Master's in Curriculum & Instruction, plus an administrative certification. Nothing has changed. My district is adopting another new curriculum mid-year and I'm pissy over it. I love teaching, and love my job most of the time, but the trickle down effect from principal, to superintendent, to county, to state, to fed government is almost making me want to leave education after 15 years. But, I have to commend my son's Kinder teacher for pushing and challenging him. He entered Kinder with most end-of-Kinder year skills so she formed K/1st gr. groups to challenge him. The only drawback I dislike is that there is no science curriculum, so I supplement at home as often as possible. This kid just eats up science!

Sherri - posted on 09/24/2010

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I feel the same as Sara also. We are also ranked amazingly high and have been ranked #3 in the entire state. I feel my kids are receiving a phenomenal education. One other thing I would like to add to Sara's list is not only do parent's feel the school is a babysitter but teachers/principals are scolded for trying to discipline any of these "perfect" (imo ill mannered, ill behaved little imps) children.

We also separated from the huge city that abuts our smaller town and decided to educate our kids ourselves with a much more hands on approach with tons of arts, cooking, sewing, wood shop classes offered with also a whole bunch of learning extra curricular activities before and also after school if they choose. We also have a waiting list of teachers trying to get hired in our town, but unless someone has a baby and doesn't return or retires no one is leaving. The same exact teachers that my son had for Kindergarten and 1st grade 7 yrs ago are all still there and my 4 yr old when he heads there for Kindergarten will have the same teachers his older brothers had. Soooo Cool!! We also offer many gifted classes and tons of support classes for those that require extra help. I also love the one on one communication with the teachers they really go out of there way to learn and meet all the parents and stay in complete communication so no child gets forgotten, they truly care about ever student.

Good Day! - posted on 09/24/2010

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Amy, I'm in Louisiana too! Nice to meet a neighbor.

Schmoopy - posted on 09/24/2010

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I think everyone bears some responsibility in this mess. But mostly I think it's the system itself.

My perspective may be a whole other debate, but I think that education as a whole has become very misguided. I see so many things in mainstream schools that are TOTALLY age inappropriate! For example, teaching letters and reading in Pre-K and expecting Kindergarteners to read??? Their brains can do it, but there's a big difference between being able to do something and actually being ready and fired up to do it.

I could go on and on, but you asked about education in my city... I'm lucky to live in a place that offers Waldorf education. It's such a refreshing alternative! I'm in love with it, and my daughter is proof that it totally works. She is smart as a whip and now at age 7 she's reading up a storm and loves doing it. Plus she's a whiz at math and her ability to absorb information aurally is amazing! I know the skills she's learning will serve her very well in life - and the way the school pays attention to her spirit helps me feel good about sending her off to school every day.

I wrote an article that illustrates a day in the life of a Waldorf Kindergarten classroom. If you're curious to know more about what happens in a Waldorf school, feel free to read it: http://www.nolaparent.com/index.php?opti...

Amber - posted on 09/24/2010

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I basically feel the same as Sara.
It's time for parents and the community to step up and make education important again. It's just taken for granted that you will send your child to school and it's their job to teach them. That just isn't the way it is. Everybody needs to be teaching their child and taking an active role in their school whenever possible.

Good Day! - posted on 09/24/2010

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I guess I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in the other community. =)

I think there are many different aspects to blame for the state of our education.

But number 1: STOP basing everything on one standardized test each year!

Parents (not all) are part of the problem because learning should not stop at school. Many parents view school as a babysitting service.

Teachers (again, not all) are part of the problem. Teaching to the test, teaching to the middle and not challenging or helping those not in the middle, etc.

Principals (not all) are part of the problem. Not supporting teachers or being aware of what goes on in the classroom.

Lawmakers are part of the problem. Most don't have a stinkin' clue how a school or classroom should be run and pass laws that make the job harder.

I'll be honest. I didn't read the links. I'll do that and be back later.

In my town, education is highly valued. My town pulled out of the larger parish-wide school district for many reasons that will make this post way too long. Since then, we've been ranked number 1 in the state. Reasons: 1. High taxes to support schools which pay for state of the art classrooms, technology and supplies. 2. Highest paid teachers in the state. There is a low teacher turn over rate and when a teacher is lost, there are hundreds of more waiting to take her place. The school board can pick from the best. And we can pay for Master teachers, PhD's and Nationally Board Certified teachers. 3. Classes that cater to both above and below average students to challenge and help bring them up to level. 4. Principals that are in each classroom everyday observing and providing teachers with resources. 5. Trainings and workshops available (all the time) for teachers that they can get paid to go to. 6. Curriculum written by the teachers based on national standards AND what is important for our particular students. 7. Teaching the whole child, meaning keeping arts and athletics important and providing gifted students with tutors and classes. 8. Awesome community support. And probably a lot of other stuff.