What has God done for you?

Samantha - posted on 06/16/2010 ( 319 moms have responded )

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I just read someone's post about what if there is no God. As a Christian even hearing those words hurt my heart. So I just wanted to hear from those of you who do have a personal relationship with Jesus what he means to you and what has He done for you?
Here's mine.
When I was 11 my mother was divorcing her 2nd husband my father had another family that filled his time and my other siblings were busy with there own life. I could go on for hours about how lonely and sad I was all day every day. No one noticed cause everyone was too busy to even notice me. I would ride my bike for miles in the middle of the night in the rain and hurry home knowing I was in trouble to find no one knew I was gone. My heart was broken my spirit destroyed. One weekend while with my dad we went to a new church my step-mothers friend told her about. At first it was too much. But several weeks later I found myself even more broken and even more open. I walked down to the altar and all I could do was cry. I was probably down there for several hours just crying to God. I had nothing to offer Him nothing to say. And just as though He was in flesh and blood I felt Him come to me put His arms around me and say " I AM HERE, I SEE YOU AND I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE." He was my father my mother and my friend. He came at a time I needed Him the most. I have fallen many times since then, got into drugs and what not, you name it I did it. But every time He was there with me protecting me even when I cursed His name. Today I am a born again Christian. I love my God more than anything or anyone. He saved me when no one else cared. He's as real to me as the breath I breathe. I can only hope I live a Godly example that my children will know His love and love Him like I do.

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Samantha, while I respect and fully agree w/ your intentions on this post... this is a debate board, so it's only reasonable to expect debate on any post.

I don't think it's selfishness that is keeping them from giving God the credit. How can they give credit to Someone that they don't believe exists? While I do not agree w/ the nonbeliever standpoint, they have a right to believe whatever they believe and I'm trying to learn to understand and respect that.

Maybe by sharing my beliefs w/ kindness... someone else will become a believer, maybe not. But bashing people over the head w/ it will not help anyone (well, maybe someone, but I have a feeling they wouldn't be vocal about it if it DID help). We are called to share the Truth in LOVE not put downs or threats of hell.....

Krista - posted on 06/22/2010

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Well if there isnt a God and there is no heaven after we die then why live?

Seriously? Well, I don't know about you, but there's a lot of stuff here in THIS life that makes life worth living. Family, friends, the chance to do good works and positively affect other peoples' lives, the opportunity to experience beautiful music and art and scenery and all of the amazing things that this world has to offer. I mean, are you honestly saying that the ONLY thing keeping you from offing yourself is your belief in God? That's really, really sad that your life is so empty on its own merits.

Seriously ladies what gets you out of bed on a bad day?

My own determination and optimism. And coffee. And my son's smile.

Why would you try to be a good mother if it all was just a random chance for life?

Um, because I want my child to be a happy, productive member of society?

If there is no Afterlife then i assume you dont ever spend a second doing anything you dont like because after all this is all you get right?

No. You're completely wrong. You are operating on this asinine assumption that atheists are these hedonists who have absolutely no morals because we do not fear a godly judgment. And your assumptions are wrong and offensive. I do not NEED the promise of an afterlife in order to be a good person. I am a good person because it makes me and those around me happier and more fulfilled, and because being a good person is the RIGHT thing to do.

Honestly, I have no idea if you've been sheltered or what, but you really need to step out from behind your Bible and get to know some people who don't share your worldview, because you have got some really bizarre ideas about atheists.

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Laura, you ask several questions and I will try to be as thorough as I can. But before I do, was it really necessary to tell people to go ahead and 'bash?' I often wonder at the insistence people have to please persecute. I do not bash, I do not insult. I ask questions and sometimes my questions and answers are not easy to swallow. That is not bashing. It's thinking.

First and foremost, you need to understand that atheism is not a worldview like Christianity or other religions. It simply is the rejection of a claim. That claim being that a god or gods exist. What you are describing in your first few questions is nihilism, not atheism. There are many worldviews that both the believer and the non-believer embrace equally.

Are you familiar with secular humanism or naturalism at all?

But to be specific - why do we live, bother to get out of bed, etc.? Well, why not? It is my very strong view that the atheist has the stronger reason to get up than the anyone else. Because we (certainly not all but using 'we' is easier than continually saying 'some not all') recognize that when we're dead, that's it. There is nothing else. Therefore we better make darn good use of the time we have. To suggest that we're all slugabeds because there is no afterlife really needs more reasoning behind it. Are you aware that proportionately speaking, atheists commit suicide far less than their Christian sisters? That proportionately speaking, there are fewer atheists in prison than their Christian brothers? Perhaps it is because we know there isn't a final deathbed get-out-of-hell free card? Maybe.

I am an atheist but my worldview is that of secular humanism. I do not consider myself worthless because like all human beings, I make my own worth. Everybody does. I'm sure you know the expression, providence helps those who help themselves? Well, the secular humanist helps themselves and their fellow humans because no one else will.

You talk a great deal about free will and the stuff on earth that is bad. Well, why is it that way? Have you ever read anything by Mark Twain? He writes what I consider a brilliant essay on the creation of the fly. A creature that torments both the rich, the poor, the human and the lower animals. I recommend it. you can find it free online, and it's in the larger work "Fables of Man."

As to robots, I hear this a lot. Let me ask you this, are you capable of sin in Heaven? Do you still have free will in Heaven?

For the analogy of our children suddenly hating us. This is not a good analogy because we do not hate your god. We simply do not accept your premise that he's there. The theist is the one making the claim. We ask you to support it. I could just as easily ask why you are so angry at Thor or Lord Brahma but it would be silly because you do not believe either exists. So you can't be mad at them, can you?

The idea that my living and breathing being proof is faulty is a few ways. Add to that the other popular ideas of beauty in the world, newborn babies, etc. If new life is proof of god btw, then maggots are also such but I digress. All these things prove is that they themselves are there. They can be explained in very non-paranormal ways that work without needing a god. By saying God did it, you are adding to a system that already works on its own.

Science is not a faith based system though my friend. Do you require faith to say 2+2=4? Of course not. Do you need faith to say that a circle is a circle and not a square? No. Do you need faith to say that gravity will hold you down to the earth and keep you from flying towards Jupiter? No. That's not faith. Merrian-Websters defines faith in many ways but the one most people think of is this: firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Science offers proof. It takes no special opening of the heart or closing of the mind. Anyone can learn this stuff by reading a few books. It never requires that leap of faith.

I can only answer your statements to the best of my ability. I have included some links to wiki for definitions on the worldviews I mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_hum...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)

Thanks for reading and thinking about what I wrote. Always appreciated. :-)

Lady - posted on 06/24/2010

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I think by atributing everything good to a god then it takes away a lot from the good that people do - the work and effort people go to to try and help others or make advances in medical treatement or research that saves peoples lives. By thanking a god instead of these people is not fair IMO.

Johnny - posted on 06/22/2010

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Fascinating and amazing conversation ladies. There are so many ways of perceiving our existence, and despite the existence of organized religions and dogma, I suspect that there are as many ways to think about life as there are creatures living. We each form our world view from our own unique experiences, no two the same. I really appreciated reading all of these ways of thinking.

I am an agnostic. I neither believe nor disbelieve in god/gods/goddesses, heaven/hell, an afterlife, karma, reincarnation, etc. I have no faith. I do not believe that it is possible to know how or why we ultimately came to be here. I somewhat understand what the scientific evidence says has lead us to come to this point, but I don't feel that I will ever be able to know why or how things began.

I tend to think that when I die, what exists as me will just become new things. My energy will dissipate into the universe and find a new form of existence - not necessarily as a life form.. My body will decompose and hopefully become fertilizer for a tree. I came from the universe, I am made of that same matter and energy, and when I am gone, all the stuff that made up Carol will just go on to be something else. I suppose that could be seen as some form of an "afterlife".

I don't call myself an atheist because I am not certain that god does not exist. I am fairly certain that none of the major religions know the "truth", but that doesn't negate the possibility of god existing in some form. Either as a specific and active spirit or just as the life force within each of us. But like I said, I've got no idea so I choose not to believe in any such concept. I am interested in the concepts of secular humanism, and naturalism, and I have learned a lot from other free thinkers.

I enjoy hearing about the faith of others. It can be enlightening, informing, and challenging. But I tire quickly of being told by believers (of any stripe) that because I do not share their personal faith, that I am necessarily an immoral person who lives a hedonistic life and might as well run around murdering bunnies. Like I said, having no belief in god, I can not be mad at god. That is pretty much impossible. But I do often get quite angry at god's followers.

One thing I do believe is that if you require a belief in god and a fear of god's judgment in the afterlife in order to live a good and moral life, then you are probably actually a less moral person. Those who do not fear any god and yet choose to live a good life, be kind to others, and make contributions to society are demonstrating the greater moral stance. They are making that choice of their own free will, not from terror of the wrath of god.

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Well IMO this question/debate has had a good run and I think Im going to go ahead a close it for further comment. Im not sure what the OP was actually asking but with over 300 posts, its time to clost it. Thanks for the input from everyone!!

Lady - posted on 07/14/2010

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I do it too Dana, sometimes I don't know why but sometimes you can either get a good laugh or it can make you want to pull your hair out and scream at the computer screen. I've wondered if I did join one of the just how long it would take me to get blocked lol!!!

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Is it wrong to be a creeper? I didn't join the community but you better believe I had a snoop through it! ;)

Rosie - posted on 07/13/2010

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now u have me all curious. i might have to be a creeper too.....gqtm! :)

Rosie - posted on 07/13/2010

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dana, what r u doing looking at the christian communities? are you a creeper?!lol!!

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Stephanie....did Samantha send you here? I saw her whining in a Christian community and now you're here and the only threads I've seen you comment on are the god/bible/religious ones? Do you have an opinion that doesn't rely on god or the bible to answer?

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Same here Toni. If I was upset when people disagreed with my opinions (some of which are radical depending on your own POV), then I'd be broke just from buying tissues and hankerchiefs

And I'm not a heathen, i'm a happy heretic. ;-)

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Yes Jen - I ignored you lot of heathen women *Joke*

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion I do not know why some people seem to think that because somebody believes something different to you it is a direct insult on you as a person. Good God I would be rocking back and forth crying if I thought that everybody whose opinion differed to mine was offending me (I am rather opinionated)! Some people do not believe in God get over it and let them live their lives!

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Because the question was open ended. "What has God done for you?" There was nothing in the op to indicate that she did not want to hear opposing views. In addition, as others have pointed out, this is a debate forum. You cannot expect to have only agreeing points of view in this format. I just did a quick search on COM and there are ONE HUNDRED FIFTY EIGHT forums dedicated to Christianity of one form or another and its followers. That was accomplished simply by typing "christian' into the search engine at the top of your screen.

To suggest then that she couldn't find a Christian-only forum is sheer nonsense. I know you did not suggest this but SHE did. Therefore she put it in a debate forum on purpose and had zero expectation of getting only positive answers. In fact, I would suggest she was hoping to get opposing points of view either to feel persecuted which is becoming a trend among certain types of Christians or because she herself questions her faith and wanted to hear what we had to say.

Either way, she had the option of ignoring us. Yes?

Jaime - posted on 07/13/2010

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It's like leading lambs to the slaughter on these threads...everyone follows along so unsuspecting and then BAM, someone throws out an opposing view and chops the little lambs all to bits. If we really have to talk about God and what He has done...then he has given everyone free will and the ability to believe in whatever they choose to believe in. I believe in peanut butter and jelly.

Krista - posted on 07/13/2010

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Well yeah. Sorry, but this IS a debating forum. Ergo, we debate.

If someone only wants the opinion of other Christians on a particular topic, then it really would make more sense to post that topic in one of the Christian mother groups.

Johnny - posted on 07/12/2010

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If she didn't want any debate or diversity of response, this was probably not the best forum to post such a question. I read the question and answered... what has god/jesus done for me? Nothing.

Stephanie Jo - posted on 07/12/2010

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I am thankful for my family,my Jesus.When Samatha posted this,she was asking for those that have a relationship w/Jesus Christ.If you dont than why comment?

Katchya - posted on 06/30/2010

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This is always such a touche subject. I am happy that what ever you believe makes you happy is great! Do not convince people one way is better then the other. I appreciate both end of the spectrum. We need more people that are just that appreciative.
My personal experience with "GoD" is not a great one. But I do not fault people who have had a great experience. Just remember the BEST things in life were looked upon as mistakes. When you life is a "mistake" take life by the balls and turn it into a master piece all on your own. Start believing in something real, your self. Look for answers there 1st. If you need something find a way to make it happen.

Danielle - posted on 06/30/2010

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Ok so I'm sitting here reading all these comments and I'm blown away. I saw one comment that caught my attention that God did this and that to a person...you know what? I'm facing cancer and God didn't do it to me but He is getting me through it. This post was started to find out what God did for you. So here's what He did for me. He gave me life. He gave me a wonderful husband. Two wonderful kids. He gave me an awsome family and great friends. Every day that I wake up I know He's given me another day. Why sit here and argue about this? One day you will know whether there is a God or not so I'm not gonna waste my time debating about it. God has done alot in my life and I myself know there is a God. I don't care what anyone else thinks.

Lady - posted on 06/26/2010

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***MOD WARNING****


I know you ladies are not meaning these posts to be offensive at all but I think some people might find them that way and they are rather off topic so could we please either get back on topic or move to a different post - thank you very much Gxxx

Rosie - posted on 06/26/2010

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there is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures chuck norris allows to live!!!

Isobel - posted on 06/25/2010

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Coronation street SUCKS! my mother is addicted so I still know most of the characters...I'm pretty sure the only reason people watch it is because it's the only show you could actually have a chance of being on yourself.

Krista - posted on 06/25/2010

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BTW, to those of you who are religious, please know that this light joshing is not meant with any disrespect.

A tiny bit of irreverence, yes. But not disrespect.

Jocelyn - posted on 06/25/2010

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Wow, Jesus is a badass :P
But Chuck Noris could still roundhouse kick the shit outta him!
LMFAO!

Johnny - posted on 06/25/2010

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I hope no one finds this too offensive. It's just so silly. See if you can notice where they misspell Jesus in the subtitles.

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It's ok Dana... at least I hope it is. That one made me giggle too.

Krista, you seriously need to stop being so funny. Nah, humor is good. :)

Isobel - posted on 06/25/2010

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I'm sorry, I'm confused...it was God who kicked out the window or you?

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@Dehra......" we are suppose to be dead. "........you're not supposed to be dead or you WOULD be dead!

Krista - posted on 06/25/2010

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That's rather convenient, Dehra -- so until I'm in a burning building with my non-existent 5-year-old, my opinion doesn't count?

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I've missed most of this.....but I wanted to say......
CORONATION STREET IS AWFUL!!!
That's all for now.
;)

Dehra - posted on 06/25/2010

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krista, until you've been in a burning building with your 5 y.o. daughter you have no idea where im comming from if you dont belive then that is your choice. but i do! i feel him in my life everyday. and me kicking out the window was not just good common sence my daughter and i could not breath! we are suppose to be dead.

Johnny - posted on 06/24/2010

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In Canada it's on CBC. My mother watches it some times when my daughter is in the room. I totally disapprove. Not because of the "adult content" but because I don't want her get into it and try to make me watch it. I went through a Coronation Street "phase" in high school which was thankfully short lived.

Luckily for Lisa, I'm fairly certain there is no good television on Saturday nights anywhere. Clearly you know how to pick the right church.

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