What has God done for you?

Samantha - posted on 06/16/2010 ( 319 moms have responded )

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I just read someone's post about what if there is no God. As a Christian even hearing those words hurt my heart. So I just wanted to hear from those of you who do have a personal relationship with Jesus what he means to you and what has He done for you?
Here's mine.
When I was 11 my mother was divorcing her 2nd husband my father had another family that filled his time and my other siblings were busy with there own life. I could go on for hours about how lonely and sad I was all day every day. No one noticed cause everyone was too busy to even notice me. I would ride my bike for miles in the middle of the night in the rain and hurry home knowing I was in trouble to find no one knew I was gone. My heart was broken my spirit destroyed. One weekend while with my dad we went to a new church my step-mothers friend told her about. At first it was too much. But several weeks later I found myself even more broken and even more open. I walked down to the altar and all I could do was cry. I was probably down there for several hours just crying to God. I had nothing to offer Him nothing to say. And just as though He was in flesh and blood I felt Him come to me put His arms around me and say " I AM HERE, I SEE YOU AND I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE." He was my father my mother and my friend. He came at a time I needed Him the most. I have fallen many times since then, got into drugs and what not, you name it I did it. But every time He was there with me protecting me even when I cursed His name. Today I am a born again Christian. I love my God more than anything or anyone. He saved me when no one else cared. He's as real to me as the breath I breathe. I can only hope I live a Godly example that my children will know His love and love Him like I do.

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Tanya - posted on 06/20/2010

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Sir Isaac Newton, the famous seventeenth-century mathematician and scientist, though not generally known as an alchemist, practiced the art with a passion. Though he wrote over a million words on the subject, after his death in 1727, the Royal Society deemed that they were "not fit to be printed." The papers were rediscovered in the middle of the twentieth century and most scholars now concede that Newton was first an foremost an alchemist. It is also becoming obvious that the inspiration for Newton's laws of light and theory of gravity came from his alchemical work.

- In 1633 Galileo Galilei, the Italian scientist, was forced by the Vatican to recant his "absurd" and "heretical" belief that the Earth revolves around the sun. This was one of the opening shots in a battle between science and religion that has raged ever since in some sections of the Christian church. Galileo's views were deemed absurd because they conflicted with a verse in Psalm 93 which says that the Earth "cannot be moved"

Galileo was a Catholic and had close relationship with some important Christian Churchmen such Cardinal Barberini who became Pope Urban VIII. He, nevertheless, believed that the Scriptures were not scientific writings and every passage of the Bible should be interpreted too literally especially in areas they seemed to with empirical observation urged that "the Bible is intended to men go heaven, not how heavens go." (Quoted in "Galileo Galilei")

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly" - Einstein

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"Shivers! My husband was talking to me about that verse yesterday!! I was also asking 'what on earth is the meaning of that??!!!' Will get back to you :)
BTW just answering that Scientist question: Albert Einstein, Galileo, Isaac Newton all firmly denied atheism"

Have you read any books written by (not about) Einstein. He definitely did NOT believe in a personal god and found the concept rather silly. At best he was a pantheist but he espoused no religion beyond a mystification of the universe.

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Samantha, you say it's hard when you try and make other people understand and want your point of view but let me ask you this question and it's a very serious one. Would you ever be able to give Islam a serious consideration? Would you be willing to listen with a totally open mind to the instruction of an Iman and read the Qu'ran with an 'open heart?' Would you truly be able to give it your best effort? Would you listen to all the truly kind hearted Muslims tell you what Allah and his teachings/blessings have done for their lives? Would you honestly be able to ever consider seriously that Jesus may not have been the son of Yahweh?



I suspect the answer is no. But you expect us, the unbelievers to do exactly what you would be unwilling and unable to do. We will give you our opinion of your religion. Some of those opinions may not be pretty. You must be willing to listen to our reasons and our reasonings if you ever hope to understand the mind of a heretic such as myself or others. ;-) I am an exceptionally polite person. I rarely slam but I am firm in my opinions. Not all atheists, agnostics, non-theists and anti-theists are exceptionally polite just as there are many Christians with mouths like sailors and morals like scum.



No one is perfect.



Myself, I am an unabashed hard atheist along the lines of Richard Dawkins only far more humble as I am not a professor or a published author. I was a Christian till the year 1998 when I realized I only believed because that was all I knew. I asked questions no one could answer to my satisfaction. I myself almost became a Muslim in 2000. Yet that nagging question remained about how a deity could possibly exist in a universe such as ours. From theist to hard atheist was not a gentle journey and I mourned the loss of my faith like the loss of an old friend. But I am very happy now. I have raised my son without religion and have endured very hard times but come through the storm without ever lifting my voice in prayer. My grandfather was a hero in WW2 - was one of the first to land at Normandy Beach for example. He was an atheist before and after right to his death where we honored his request to have a non-religious funeral.



So I suggest you try us. I have a recipe for cornbread that will knock your socks off and you'll find I am a lot like you. I just believe in one less god than you do.

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"For the non-believers, where do you think the world came from? Did you come from a monkey? I didn't! If you think about the little speck that you are in the universe it is hard not to believe. Is it just 'poof' the universe is here?"

But isn't that exactly what Christians and other theists believe? That God said the word and poof the universe is here? I realize that 'let there be light' is far more poetic a way of saying it but the end result is the same thing as 'abracadabra"

And no, not monkeys. A different kind of primate however. We are primates now. I fail to understand why people dislike that concept.

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As the other ladies already mentioned, Samantha deleted most of her comments and a lot of what you were reading must have seemed pretty harsh because it was directly in response to certain comments she had made.

Like Jaime said, it was all in good fun.....hopefully you had a lil' chuckle?! ;)

Jaime - posted on 06/19/2010

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I'm not offended...I'm just not responsible if you are...that's all I'm saying Jessie. I welcome your opinions on this thread and I have enjoyed reading the different responses. Samantha did delete a lot of her posts which is unfortunate, but regardless of that...the jesting was all in good fun and it was not directed at anyone specifically.

Krista - posted on 06/19/2010

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Yes, with the missing posts, it DOES look rather like a pile-on, doesn't it?

Jessie - posted on 06/19/2010

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Thank you Sara and you are prob. right. It did look kind of off so I prob. just read it wrong b/c there were missing pieces. Well I'm sorry in that case if I offeneded anyone by being so offended, Lol. :)

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She mentioned that the OP deleted some of her posts because some of the posts you may have felt are offensive, may have been directed at her deleted comments. So you aren't really reading the whole story. Just wanted to clarify. =)

Jessie - posted on 06/19/2010

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Wow, I'm sorry I mentioned I was offended, I try really hard not to offend people and feel that people should be the same. I'm not saying walk on egg shells there are just some comments in her that I don't feel are right. As far as both sides I believe I covered that and have already said I have NO problem with everyone having two sides. I wasn't raised that way even though I was raised Catholic. My problem is the jokes that really aren't funny to me, it does make me feel bad. Some are funny but I feel on a thread like this asking about what God can do for you they aren't appropriate. Dana, I'm sorry but I don't understand the pertinence of her deleting her comments? I must have missed something, I'm sorry if I did. I just wanted to say that some of the jokes kind of offended me. I kind of feel attacked and stupid now. I'm sorry for every saying anything. Geez.

Jaime - posted on 06/19/2010

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If I have to walk around on egg shells just to have a conversation with someone, then I might as well cut off my feet! I am responsible for me. I am not responsible for how others perceive what I say and do.

Meghan - posted on 06/19/2010

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@ Jessie
" Some are going to be more in your face about their beliefs but that doesn't mean you make jokes and offend the ones that aren't that way"... sorry, but that goes both ways. People have their right to preech and try to sway, the rest of us should be free to express our own opinons as well...but GOD FORBID we think differently right??
I don't want to speak for everyone but I don't think they are trying to be offensive. It's personally how I roll...this whole thing IMO is silly and it is my GOD GIVEN right to address it how I see fit. Believe what you want, be the best you that you can be...I just chose to make my own choices and not put ALL of my eggs in the Jesus, Buddah, Allah, Jahova basket...I have to take responsibility and struggle without blaming or looking to someone else. *shrugs*

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Who isn't being respectful, Jessie? Do you know that Samantha, the original poster, deleted many of her comments?

Jessie - posted on 06/19/2010

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Wow! I respect other people and their religion even though I believe in God and that he has done wonders for me. There is no reason for some of the people making fun of others for believing. Some are going to be more in your face about their beliefs but that doesn't mean you make jokes and offend the ones that aren't that way. I don't care who you believe in or if you don't believe in anything. God lets us make our choices, and I believe everyone has their own time to go so for everyone that is supposed to die they die, if not they don't. This is why things happen that are truly unexplainable. He is not angry, at least not to me, and he is merciful and really just wants us to be good people. That is how I see it and I don't care if you agree or disagree I'm entitled to that. Please do not take my post and try to point things out or make fun of them. Anyway, please be more respectful of others even when you feel they aren't being respectful of you, it's the adult thing to do.

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I'm not going to get into the religious debate, I'm just answering the OP's question. God has given me assurance of salvation and a place in heaven. He has also given me a way of life that I love.

*Lisa* - posted on 06/19/2010

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I'm back with hopefully an explanation (well it finally made sense to me anyway).
Firstly, 'children' isn't a correct translation. The Hebrew word used in the original text states they were 'young lads' and also uses this same word to describe some of the young soldiers in the army. So they weren't a bunch of 5 year old kids who didn't know any better and were just being kids. The original text says they were young men, closer to the age of 25 rather than 5. I guess they were children in comparison to men living hundreds of years back then.
Secondly, 'Go up, go up' is in reference to Elisha's master Elijah ascending into heaven. It's basically scoffing that God was capable of also bringing Elisha to heaven that way. 'Baldhead' is a reference to the appearance of lepers. They were basically saying he was a leper who should bugger off (which back then was a big insult).
Like a lot of the old testament, God dealt with people who directly insulted his prophets and namesake with violence. If you read the Old Testament it is full of war and acts of violence both against the prophets and kings, and on behalf of them. Back then any insults against His people or Himself were not taken lightly. The prophets lived such dangerous lives, often being murdered for their work (which often just involved delivering a message from God). So I guess in this case, God was showing off how He cared for these guys that were willing to put their lives on the line for His work.
I think a lot of the things that I usually freak out about after reading in the Bible is an issue of translation. Translating that verse as kids gives it a whole other meaning!

*Lisa* - posted on 06/19/2010

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Shivers! My husband was talking to me about that verse yesterday!! I was also asking 'what on earth is the meaning of that??!!!' Will get back to you :)
BTW just answering that Scientist question: Albert Einstein, Galileo, Isaac Newton all firmly denied atheism.

Tanya - posted on 06/18/2010

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Once again I in no way intend to offend anyone. i just posted this on the welcome board on a spanking thread. I think you ladies are very open, honest, and thoughtful. I just want to know what christians think about this passage

Tanya - posted on 06/18/2010

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Ok so I am not trying to make fun of anyone. I know I have posted this before, but everyone on this thread keeps talking about what a blessing children are. So why would god kill them with bears? No one has answered this for me yet.

2 kings 2: 23-24
23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

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Here is the answer, but it's probably what you've already heard. I apologize if it's not what you're looking for, but it's what I've got, and straight from the Bible. (note, the capitalized emphasis is mine)

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

It's not about us. It's not about how good we've been. It's about God's power. If only good people went to Heaven, then life would be all about us; how good we are. Instead it's all about how good God is. He's so good that He can change the lives of murders, child molesters, gossipers (me). He takes away our sin, if we ask.

Like I said, you've probably already heard that a thousand times. But I hope it made some sort of sense.

Sarah - posted on 06/18/2010

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ok, so here's my genuine religious question that I have yet to have answered adequately IMO.
Ok, so If Christians are right, then all the jews, muslims, buddhists, etc go to hell right?
Even if they're good people? Even if they lived their lives according to their own religious beliefs and followed their book to the letter?
But murderers, dictators and child molesters who accept Jesus as their savior go to heaven?
I'm not christian b/c of this. I kinda believe in god, but not organized religion and I certainly don't believe that millions of wonderful people go to hell but scum who are sorry go to heaven.

Tanya - posted on 06/18/2010

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Teresa no your burning building did help. I just wanted to make you understand that to a non-believer its just conjuring up awful imagery. I do think that you come up with some great point. You do show respect for everyone.
I am with Dana you ROCK!

Amy - posted on 06/18/2010

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nothing!!! i dont believe in a made up invisible man who lets babies die and people suffer!
i dont understand why christians can say if its something good 'its because of god' but if its something bad 'god works in misterious ways' im sorry but evan if he was real i would have no respect for him for killing inosent little children!

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Quoting Samantha...

" Sometimes its hard when you want people to understand and they dont. "

I can't speak for everyone else but I DO understand what you're saying.....I just DO NOT agree with it! There's a difference. Like Krista said, we're not "a bunch of misguided idiots".....we have a difference of opinion, that's all!

@Teresa.....YOU ROCK!

@Krista.....the "burning building" is a great anology! I've heard that before too and it definitely helped me put things in perspective.

@Samantha, I wish you the best......hopefully this thread and ALL the comments gave YOU some perspective also? We all need to be open-minded and check our judgements at the door. That's how we LEARN from one and other. Good luck and God bless.... ;)

Krista - posted on 06/18/2010

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Poor Teresa -- it might not have turned out so well, but it's actually the best analogy I've heard yet as to why so many Christians are so determined to "save" the rest of us. I don't AGREE with it, but it really did help me understand that mindset a little better.

Jackie - posted on 06/18/2010

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I agree, I think everyone was being pretty civil (i've seen these discussions get UGLY! I didn't really see anybody bashing anybody over the head with critism except maybe Samantha.

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I didn't know I had that kind of power, Krista.

Hmmm..... (power going to my head now...)

What should I do w/ this?...... ;)

Krista - posted on 06/18/2010

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I understand what you're getting at, Samantha. Someone once described it to me as though you see people in a burning building, and you're trying to save them, but they can't see that it's burning and they just look at you like you're nuts when you tell them it's on fire.

And to you that fire IS real.

And to me, it's not.

And maybe it's something else altogether, and we're both wrong -- but we truly have NO way of knowing for sure in this lifetime, no matter how strong our beliefs are.

Krista - posted on 06/18/2010

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And Samantha, if you go up to the blue bar at the top of the screen, you'll see a button that says "My communities". Mouse over it, but don't click it. A menu will drop down. Click on "all communities". A new screen will come up recommending some of the more popular communities. If you do a search for "Christian", a few groups will show up. The two largest groups are "Christian Moms" and "Christian Mommies", if i'm not mistaken. Just click on either of them, take a look around, and you like what you see, click on "join group".

Of course, you should still stay in this group as well -- we really aren't such a bad bunch. Teresa keeps us in line. ;-)

Samantha - posted on 06/18/2010

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And I know Teresa. Sometimes its hard when you want people to understand and they dont. Like I said im only human i make mistakes and although i try to say everything with love sometimes I just get mad. I didn't mean the hell thing as placing you there or gloating I meant for it to come across as hell is not the place you want to be when you realize you had other chances. I dont know if even that is coming out right. Its hard to express what im saying without you hearing my voice and seeing my face. Its not with comdenation it truely is with love.

Krista - posted on 06/18/2010

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Teresa, you rock! ♥ I wish all Christians were as empathetic and respectful as you.

And you have it EXACTLY right. I'm not going to give God the credit for the good things in my life any more than I would give the credit to Zeus or Odin or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's not selfishness -- I just don't believe in those particular entities.

Jenny - posted on 06/18/2010

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Samantha, this is a debate board. You cannot expect to put a post up like that and have it go unchallenged. If you're looking for a ra-ra, feel good Christian chat a Christian board would be your best bet. I, for one, am not bashing, but presenting my views which happen to be opposite of yours.

Samantha - posted on 06/18/2010

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Thanks GIllian. I'm new to this so I posted something in the only thing I saw to post I dont know how to get into the Christian one if anyone can help me with that. Thanks. Once again sorry everyone that I times this just turned into a horrible bash party on everyones beliefs that was never my intent. It's hard to see the humor in a lot when you can see anger in a lot of posts as well. You can't tell which is which anymore. Anyways hope all have a good day. God Bless you ALL! : ) had to get that last one in : )

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Samantha, while I respect and fully agree w/ your intentions on this post... this is a debate board, so it's only reasonable to expect debate on any post.

I don't think it's selfishness that is keeping them from giving God the credit. How can they give credit to Someone that they don't believe exists? While I do not agree w/ the nonbeliever standpoint, they have a right to believe whatever they believe and I'm trying to learn to understand and respect that.

Maybe by sharing my beliefs w/ kindness... someone else will become a believer, maybe not. But bashing people over the head w/ it will not help anyone (well, maybe someone, but I have a feeling they wouldn't be vocal about it if it DID help). We are called to share the Truth in LOVE not put downs or threats of hell.....

Krista - posted on 06/18/2010

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Samantha, when you act as though you have all of the answers, and that the rest of us are misguided idiots who are all going to Hell, well...are you really surprised that you raised a few hackles? There are several other devout Christians on this thread who have managed to have excellent dialogue with the non-believers, and it's been very civil and informative. And that is because they have not come across the way that you have.

You deleted all of your posts, so I can't quote you directly, but I seem to recall you basically saying something akin to how we would all find out the truth when we're in Hell. It was gloating. And it was ugly.

Samantha - posted on 06/18/2010

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You know what everyone this was ment to be an encouraging conversation to believers. Instead most have turned it into a bash on God my God that I love. I don't want to hear you guys mock my posts or what I believe. God has done everything for me and if you guys are to selfish to realize what He has done for you and want to take credit for yourselves thats fine. GO start your own conversation about what you believe but dont tell us we're being ridiculous. And Meghan God is my provider and He comes thru with all my needs but I dont sit home with no job and I didn't drop out of school either and expect Him to do everything for me. I work hard for what I have and GOD rewards me. I'm sorry if I've discouraged anyone from God that was never my intention obviously, but please don't tell me and the other Christians on here that our belief is ridiculous. Let us encourage eachother in the Lord. This post went the opposite direction I had intended and I apologize for that to everyone.
Think about this though.
God says there is ONE way to get to my house you exit on right road, take the straight way then narrow path and I'll be waiting. Instead, we go our own way we exit on wrong road, take wide way and then easy path. Then we call to God and say you're not here, where are you God, what kind of God would do this? His reply I've been waiting for you this whole time did you take my directions?

Krista - posted on 06/18/2010

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It made sense to me, Jackie. They don't call it a "leap of faith" for nothing -- it is the act of believing in something despite not having tangible evidence of it. So if you don't have that faith, trying to logically understand all of the ins and outs of God (as it's explained by his followers) is really an exercise in frustration. There ARE a lot of loopholes and inconsistencies. And if you have faith, evidently the whole thing all makes perfect sense to you. And if you don't, it just doesn't.



And I also agree that it seems like a bit of a scam job for so many religions to say "Well, you can be the nicest, kindest most giving person on the planet, but unless you join our club and believe what we believe, we think you'll be damned to an eternity of torture after you die." If religions thought that heaven was earned via deeds, not faith, that would make so much more sense to me. It just seems so wrong to think that someone can believe in Jesus but be an utter bastard, and yet they can get into Heaven, but an atheist who runs a homeless shelter and adopts orphans cannot.



Not that it matters to me personally, as I do not believe in Heaven or Hell, but damned if i don't find it at least a LITTLE insulting.

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No, it kind of does make sense to me.

I just see it from the opposite. ;) I do a lot of good, but I still screw up (granted it's 'small' screw ups, but still screw ups) all the time. Doing good is good, but it doesn't earn you anything. All it takes is belief. Maybe it just seems so simple to me since I DO believe though.

Sorry, I do try to see it from the other side, but the only brain I have available to use is mine. lol!

Jackie - posted on 06/18/2010

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Teresa - I did not mean to imply that someone that believes is unreasonable or illogical. Those who DO believe have conviction and Faith. If you don't have that faith instilled and you are looking for other reasons or evidence, it's quite hard for a person who has logic and reason to make sense of it all. It's too far fetched to believe that.



Personally - the MAIN reason the whole organized religion thing doesn't sit well with me is the fact that (according to christians) I can live my life as a good person, I contribute to society, I'm a hard worker, a loving mother, I don't lie (too often), I don't cheat, I don't steal things that don't belong to me, I typically do unto others that I would have done to me and all that jazz, I AM STILL CONDEMED TO BURN IN HELL because I didn't accept Him as my personal savior.



I don't effing buy it. If I die today - and I happen to stumble upon the "pearly gates" and realize I was mistaken, the loving forgiving God is still going to turn me away. Well, if that's how it is then I guess I'll meet all the other girls with marshmellows but I'm bringing some gonja to the party so we can all have a good laugh.



I don't know if that made any sense to anybody.

Jenny - posted on 06/18/2010

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That is true Teresa but when you read that something like 97% of scientists are athiests it gives Jackie's comment some weight.

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That's not an answerable question since LOTS of reasonable, logical people believe, but you seem to be implying that simply believing MEANS you are unreasonable and illogical.....

Jackie - posted on 06/18/2010

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What has God done for me?? Well, he's made it possible for me to read this debate back forth. One side being logical, the other side being mythalogical...

Riddle me this, Batman...

If God gave humans the ability to think with logic and reason, then tell me why in the HELL "He" made it so impossible for a reasonable and logical person to believe?

Jessica - posted on 06/18/2010

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hehe I found out I was a month and a week pregnant 1 week after our wedding! Explained why my dress was snug! hehe and thanks to all the ladies who answered my question. :)

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