What type of sex ed?

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2010

Sherri, you may be surprised how much masturbation actually relates to the sex life later on. By ignoring it as an issue, it can affect how comfortable we are in our later sex lives. Masturbation can essentially be the road to sexual satisfaction, because it is a way that we learn about our bodies and what satisfies us. Unfortunately, allowing a child to learn about it on their own is likely to teach that it is not something that can be talked about and it is not something that should be enjoyed. Refusing to acknowledge it as part of sex ed speaks volumes. Don't you think we SHOULD enjoy masturbation, and not feel guilty about that pleasure?



I just think it is sad when it is treated like a dirty secret, and our children should recognise that it is a normal thing, and that there is nothing wrong with it. But that's just me.

?? - posted on 09/19/2010

What bothers me about this whole debate is the "me myself and I" sentiment.



I don't care if YOU are going to teach your child about one thing or another. I do care if you aren't going to teach them about one thing or another.



You might not think that it's necessary for your child to learn about any particular aspect of sex ed - but your child has the right to learn about those things from someone who will present it in an unbiased, factual manner.



Sherri, as much as I disagree with letting your sons learn about masturbation on their own, I honestly believe that you are teaching them about most things - and I am glad to hear that you would be involved enough to go over the information that will be presented and would allow your children to be involved in a sex ed program.



That is what I wish for all parents to do.





Unfortunately - and this is my point - as much as you teach your child about sex and STD's and anal sex or oral sex -- there are A LOT A LOT A LOT of parents that DO NOT.





All children, teenagers, humans are subject to peer pressure and caving into the pressure of wanting to fit in, wanting to feel special, wanting to be 'the cool kid' and overall being put in the position to make a very hard choice that could have very bad consequences.



Not teaching your children about oral sex, anal sex, masturbation and STD's puts them at a higher risk of not having the proper information to make the BEST decision possible for themselves.



You should arm your child with information. So that if or when that situation arises where lil Sally says "Danny, I want to watch you masturbate and then give you oral. Don't worry, it's not sex and it's not bad, but it feels realllllllllllllly good." And you haven't discussed ANY of this with your child... how are they supposed to KNOW it's dangerous? Children don't just automatically know these things. And you might have said "Do not do these things with other people, it's wrong." But we all know, peer pressure, wanting to fit in, wanting to do these things to make others feel good... are deciding factors, more so than "mom said this isn't something I should do."





If lil Danny is educated, he can explain to lil Sally WHY it's not safe to do those things. Danny could help Sally realize that she's putting herself at risk and that she should talk to someone about what she's doing to make sure that she's not sick.



Those are all reasons that *I* will be arming my son with information. So that he can make good decisions, and he can help others make good decisions when they are misinformed, or not informed at all - because mommy and daddy don't think they need to know about that stuff.

Isobel - posted on 09/19/2010

if you can catch diseases through oral and anal, they need to be taught about it. period.

It's not your choice to teach a child that the sun revolves around the earth...it's not your choice to teach a child that gravity isn't real.

there are laws that state that children have the right to be educated...I truly believe that choosing not to educate them should be against the law.

Krista - posted on 09/19/2010

I don't have oral sex. But that goes right along with other sex issues. We didnt talk about it as a sex ed class or if we did my mother must have opted me out. And, she never talked to me about it either. But, you know what, I don't have an STD. I've never had an abortion. I didn't get pregnant until I was 25. Oh and Im married to a man.

Correlation is not causation, Starr. My mom was the school nurse and saw first-hand what happened when girls were ignorant about sex, so she told my sister and me EVERYTHING. I knew from a very young age how babies were made, and had an almost clinical interest in it. At age 8, I could have probably described the entire cycle of pregnancy from intercourse to birth. And guess what? I don't have an STD. I've never had an abortion. I didn't get pregnant until I was 34. And I'm married to a man.

So your anecdote and my anecdote basically cancel each other out, don't they? What we need to do is look at the actual numbers, and the statistics prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that abstinence-only education is a big, fat failure. They also prove that a LOT of kids out there are woefully ignorant of the diseases that can be spread via oral and anal sex.

I can't guarantee that my kid won't make bad choices. NONE of us can guarantee that, no matter what our approach is. But I'll be damned if my kid will make bad choices because I didn't do my goddamned JOB as a parent and educate them properly.

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2010

Maybe I should do a tour of the US with my hubby, picking out all the illegal shit and live life on the edge, LMAO!!!

?? - posted on 09/19/2010

Oh man, Sherri, that's some funny shit !!!!! HAHA

Starr - posted on 09/19/2010

JO, realistically it's not going to hold up unless in public. But, Im just stating the facts.

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2010

OMG Sherri, they are hilarious!!!!

?? - posted on 09/19/2010

Nah, I'm from BC Canada. I have friends in the states though. I can't believe that those kinds of laws exist... it's pathetic really.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

Crime, Punishment and the Ridiculous

# Places where oral sex is illegal: Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington D.C.

# An erection that shows through a man's clothing is illegal in: Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Washington D.C. and Wisconsin.

# In Georgia those charged and convicted for either oral or anal sex can be sentenced to no less than one year and no more than 20 years imprisonment.

# In Missouri sexually deviant behavior between people of the same sex is classified as a class A misdemeanor.

# In Harrisburg, Pennsylvania it is against the law to have sex with a truck driver in a tollbooth. (There's every woman's fantasy gone down the drain).

# In Nevada it is illegal to have sex without a condom.

# In Willowdale, Oregon it is against the law for a husband to talk to dirty in his wife's ear during sex.

# In Clinton, Oklahoma it is illegal to masturbate while watching two people have sex in a car.

# In Washington State there is a law against having sex with a virgin under any circumstances (including the wedding night!).

# In Newcastle, Wyoming it is illegal to have sex in a butcher shop's meat freezer.

# In Washington D.C. there is a law against having sex in any position other than face to face.

# Animals are not exempt from the law either and here are three of the most ridiculous:

# In Kingsville, Texas there is a law against two pigs having sex on Kingsville airport property.

# In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal for mooses to have sex on the city sidewalks.

# Lastly, even liberated California proves to be not quite so liberal for the animals...In Ventura County cats and dogs may not have sex without a permit.

Starr - posted on 09/19/2010

Here I copied this it's a bit interesting. More than I knew.

"Oral sex is perhaps the issue that causes the most problems in a legal sense.

Sodomy is legally defined as homosexual behavior in most cases, but in some states its meaning extends to include anything seen as "deviate sexual conduct" and hence unnatural. In states like Kansas, Missouri and Indiana, oral sex is classified as sodomy.

Georgia, the state where the last Olympics Games were held and where without a doubt oral sex was commonplace during that period, the act between two people, even if married, could result in no less than a year and no more than 20 years imprisonment. Let's face it, it is doubtful many were even aware of such a law and since no one was charged for doing it, is such a law even necessary? Can such laws be abused by some to get their own way?

There was a case featured in the November 1996 issue of "Marie Claire" involving an Atlanta wife who tried to have her soon-to-be ex-husband charged with rape. She had persuaded her then hubby to tie her up and later used the bondage as a means of proving that the sex had not been consensual. Her sister came forward and informed the court of the plot against the man, but there was another twist in the story.

Although the man was acquitted on the rape charge, the man was sentenced to five years in jail for having performed oral sex on the woman. He had admitted to that during the course of the case and so he was charged and sentenced under Georgia law. "
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Starr - posted on 09/19/2010

JO your in Georgia? It's illegal there too my friend.

?? - posted on 09/19/2010

Oral sex is illegal?!?!?!?! SERIOUSLY????? Wow.

I know that in Georgia, it's illegal for a woman to own a dildo but ORAL SEX being illegal is just... well... how the hell is that enforced?? Cops turning into peeping toms trying to catch a woman going down on her man? :\

Starr - posted on 09/19/2010

But anal and oral sex are moral issues as well. And here in my home state oral sex and gay marriage are not legal. Sometimes it's better to not plant the seed in someones head. I was never taught about oral sex and guess what. When I heard other girls talking about it I thought "oh hell no" And you know what. I don't have oral sex. But that goes right along with other sex issues. We didnt talk about it as a sex ed class or if we did my mother must have opted me out. And, she never talked to me about it either. But, you know what, I don't have an STD. I've never had an abortion. I didn't get pregnant until I was 25. Oh and Im married to a man.

Anika - posted on 09/19/2010

I guess this goes back to our old debate Starr. You have this view because you're of the opinion that homosexuality/bisexuality is a choice. So from that point of view, I can see why you'd prefer it to stay at home. BUT if you take it from reality (and yes I am being a shit saying it like that), homosexuality/bisexuality is NOT A CHOICE. Therefore teenagers do need to know about it so that if they are experiencing those feelings they will know they are completely normal. And oral/anal sex is not restricted to gay sex anyways so I still don't know why you'd restrict that. Those are actually the ones I worry about most because we focus on vaginal sex and pregnancies but what about all the STDs you can get from oral/anal sex?

Starr - posted on 09/19/2010

Because it is not something that needs to be addressed. He will either do it or not. I don't need to know the details of it, if he is. Plain and simple that is one thing he can learn all on his own. Masturbation will not give him STD's, AIDS or impregnate a girl
I agree with you on this Sherri. That isn't part of sex ed. It's not sex. You shouldn't have to talk to your children about it and I don't want anyone talking to mine about it. I think masturbation is a subject that can or can not be talked about but by the parents. Too much informing of a subject goes right along with not infoming enough. I believe that sex ed should talk about the biology aspect of it wich will cover pregnancy and STD's. It doesnt need to cover abortions, oral sex, anal sex, or even as some said earlier in the thread, bi-sexuality. because that is a moral/ self preference issue. Teaching children morals/self preferences should stay at home. How a pregnancy occurs and some of the consequences like STD's have nothing to do with morals but are facts of what can occur after having sex.

Anika - posted on 09/19/2010

Here we go

http://www.oprah.com/relationships/Talki...

Dr Laura Berman.

Anika - posted on 09/19/2010

I meant way not why.

Anika - posted on 09/19/2010

Did anyone else see the Oprah episode when she had a Doc on (Sorry, can't remember her name) who reckoned we should be openly talking with our children, especially girls, about masturbation as a means to cut STD and unwanted pregnancies because the girls would be off pleasuring themselves instead of doing what boys say and getting off that why? It was interesting. Not sure if I agree, but it was interesting.

I'll look for a link...

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

Because it is not something that needs to be addressed. He will either do it or not. I don't need to know the details of it, if he is. Plain and simple that is one thing he can learn all on his own. Masturbation will not give him STD's, AIDS or impregnate a girl. It just isn't important in my book. It is something that will come to him naturally without any discussion on the topic. I was never taught it and I know what it is. I never even learned the term until I went for my first gyn visit. It just isn't discussed openly here. I believe even in Sex Ed. it isn't discussed in the public schools either.

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2010

Sherri, you haven't directly addressed the issue of masturbation. Why is it you don't feel that a boy of 14 doesn't need to know about masturbation? I am curious, because I am pretty sure he's NOT going to talk to you about that.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

Well when and if he is I am pretty sure will discuss it. We have a very open speaking relationship. He will not be allowed to date until the age of 16 and right now isn't ever without adult supervision and since I am a SAHM I know that for now he won't be having sex until at least 16 when he can drive.

Chatty - posted on 09/19/2010

Ya, SHAZAM!

Anika - posted on 09/19/2010

I think having sex ed at high school is potentially missing the boat. It's at age 14 when hormones are at their worse and impulse control is at it's lowest. Teenagers need to be educated BEFORE that point so they have a fighting chance of their brain winning out other their penis.

Sherri, you say your eldest son isn't interested but will you recognise when he is? Will he even recognise when he is? What's more likely?- he wakes up one day and thinks, "hmmm, I like girls now" or he's away from you, sees a particular girl and SHAZAM he's interested?

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

That is a possibility, there is also a possibility I will send them. I will make a final judgment call on that when the time comes. However, I may be more likely once I review the course material and because it doesn't occur here till the high school level. I would totally no questions asked be pulling them out if this was occurring in the 5th-7th grade levels.

Chatty - posted on 09/19/2010

Ok, fair enough but your statement implies you don't want them to learn from any third party.....I don't think it's wrong of me to assume that you would keep them home?!

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

I don't think it should be in the schools!! I think it should be a parents responsibility but I never said I wouldn't send them since it is in the schools.

Chatty - posted on 09/19/2010

Oh, well my apologies. I could have sworn we're all back and forth with you because you refused to allow them to be taught in school? Pretty sure I'm right.

Oh, guess what I found....your original comment on page one of this debate. You very matter of factly said, and I quote, "Leave it out of schools it is up to the parents to teach there children."

Did I misinterpret you?

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

Never said I wouldn't allow them to attend sex ed classes. What I said was I would have to view the course material and see if they were ready emotional to handle it at that time. I am not sure at this time if I will or won't allow them to attend. In a year or two when it is taught in high school it may be the perfect time for them to learn about it, as they don't have sex ed in the elementary or middle school levels. They have learned as much as they need too at this point and time and will obviously add more to that as they continue to mature.

Chatty - posted on 09/19/2010

Sherri, I think you're just afraid to step outside your comfort zone?! You've now admitted that you've talked to them about certain things but not others. Those OTHER things are important and you'd rather just ignore them and let your children figure it out on their own rather than allowing a certified non-bias educator teach them properly? It floors me that you would rather just throw them to the wolves because you're not comfortable talking about oral and anal sex or masterbation? Get over your fears and embarrassment or let someone else teach them.

Rosie - posted on 09/19/2010

have you explained that they can still get std's from anal or oral sex? have you explained that masturbation is normal? sorry if i don't want your undereducated child telling my hypothetical daughter that she can't get an std or get pregnant if he sticks it in her butt.

and seriously whats is wrong with being completely open and honest about sex? it's not a shameful thing, it's something that everybody does. and since there are stds and unwanted pregnancies out there all the time-yes it scares the hell out of me that someone doesn't want to educate their child fully on the subject.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2010

Why are my methods scary Kati at 12 my kids were taught about sexual intercourse, what they could do to prevent pregnancy and about contraception. They have been taught about AIDS and I haven't gone into blunt detail of every STD but they are aware of STD's and what will happen if they decide to have unprotected sex. I have brought them to my friends that have had new borns and they have had to take care of them for a few hours and they want no part of it for now. Which is very good. My oldest isn't a big fan of babies so he pretty much felt like he was in a torture chamber. So what exactly haven't I taught them different sexual positions no and I won't be either. The difference between regular and anal sex no won't be doing that either. They are aware of their bodies the changes that are going to happen to them. So what exactly have I not done to prepare them for the next steps that are going to be occurring in there lives.

Jaime - posted on 09/19/2010

Megan where have you been all my life?! I agree with everything you have said...and the fact that you are a teacher and have seen and heard first-hand the consequences of poor education on the topic of sexuality, only proves further the absolute need for comprehensive education--no matter how uncomfortable it might make some parents feel.

Megan - posted on 09/19/2010

Before I quit my job this past June to have my daughter, I was a high school biology teacher. Let me share some of my insight on this:
1) I honestly had sophomores in high school who did not know that it only took one sperm to fertilize an egg and create a baby. This came out when we were covering meiosis. This was also the same year that I had 2 pregnant sophomores and a freshman who got pregnant before the end of the school year.
2) The abstinence only sex ed class that was taught at the high school where I taught was completely useless to probably two-thirds of my students who were sexually active. Somehow or another the word got spread around that condoms didn't work so why bother using them at all (this came from the abstinence-only program)? That didn't sit well with me at all, and, needless to say, my 1st period class got set straight on that that day. It irritates me that sex ed. has been pushed over to the health teachers when, as a biology teacher, I am MUCH more qualified to teach it.
3) This past school year, I had 3 pregnant freshmen girls and 3 other freshmen girls who had pregnancy scares (I know because I bought the pregnancy tests for them).
The year before that, I had 2 pregnant freshmen girls. One of them started school 4 months pregnant, the other got pregnant right after school started. I also had one actively trying to get pregnant. She is pregnant now, btw. Her issues go deeper than a lack of information, though.
Literally, everyday I could walk down the hallway and see a new girl who was pregnant that I'd not seen before (my school had 1500 students--it wasn't hard to do). The sad thing is that a lot of these girls were intelligent, beautiful girls who knew better.
So, yes, it is the parent's responsibility to educate their kids about sex, but either it's not being done at all or it's not being done soon enough or it's not being done thoroughly enough. A 14-year-old who is not interested in sex or who hasn't heard much about sex is in the minority. Unfortunately, the HUGE numbers of teen parents isn't just a life issue. It's an academic and social issue. Teenage moms have a much more difficult time completing their high school diplomas and going on to college or trade school--thus, our populace is becoming less educated making them less able to function in the workplace. Many (not all, but many) parents demonstrate to the educational system on a daily basis that they are not capable of teaching sex ed to their own kids.
So, for those of you who don't want the school to teach your kids sex ed, remember that not every parent does and those are the kids who need it the most because they are usually the most at-risk for everything.

Rosie - posted on 09/18/2010

your attitude about sex ed is very scary sherri. read these stats-i'll post some of the more beneficial ones. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH....

Of the 18.9 million new cases of STIs each year, 9.1 million (48%) occur among 15–24-year-olds.[8]

•Although 15–24-year-olds represent only one-quarter of the sexually active population, they account for nearly half of all new STIs each year

these issues are nothing that should be left up to the parents. if you feel secure about what you've taught your children that's great, but i DON'T feel secure knowing there are 14 year olds out there that have never had the "talk" with their parents. why should i have to depend on other people to parent their kids when it affects MY childs health? ALL children should be informed-that's the right they should have as an american citizen. to know that they are fully educated about their bodies, and know that other people are as well.

Jennifer - posted on 09/18/2010

I live in the UK and the sex ed I recieved was great. We had some in primary school when I was about 11 years old which mainly consisted of just explaining the stages of puberty. We then had sex ed in year 7 when we were about 11/12 which covered how people have sex, about STDs and contraception then in year 10 we had more which included abortion, STDs, sexuality, contraception, putting condoms on fake penises and sexual positions/slang words for different things lol! I thought it was good fun =]

Jaime - posted on 09/17/2010

"there will always be an opt out clause for parents. That is a right as an American."

There will always be a need for children to be fully and completely informed about health and safety...that is their right as human beings!

Anika - posted on 09/17/2010

Here here Krista! Well said. It is a health issue. And don't we all want our children to be healthy?

Krista - posted on 09/17/2010

Unfortunately Krista it doesn't matter there is no way anybody is going to be able to enforce a child to take sex ed in school there will always be an opt out clause for parents. That is a right as an American.

Well, it's a damn shame, because for me, refusing to teach your child how to keep themselves sexually healthy is as irresponsible as refusing to teach your kid to brush his teeth, wear his seatbelt, or wash his hands after he has a shit.

I just wish that people could get over this puritanical foolishness and look at sex ed as a HEALTH issue, not a moral issue.

Anika - posted on 09/17/2010

We had comprehensive sex ed when I was at school. I even remember our deputy principal trying to pull a condom over his head to demonstrate how strong they are! LOL I also remember talking about abortion. And let me tell you, where I grew up we had the most churches per head of population and the area was 'dry' (ie no pubs/bars/liquor stores) til 1999 (How I'm an Atheist, I don't know, LOL). AND our principal was a staunch Baptist and wouldn't even let us have fundraising raffles because they were 'gambling'. But comprehensive sex ed is the law here.

I think it's naive to 'wait' until you think a teenager is ready for sex ed. What if you miss the mark and they found out through experimentation. 2 naive uneducated teenagers can still have sex. They might not know exactly what they're doing but they'll know it feels good. And if you haven't told them what oral/anal sex is, only how babies are made, well, how are they supposed to know it's not acceptable or it can spread STDs? I just think its very naive.

Sherri - posted on 09/17/2010

Unfortunately Krista it doesn't matter there is no way anybody is going to be able to enforce a child to take sex ed in school there will always be an opt out clause for parents. That is a right as an American.

Krista - posted on 09/17/2010

If a child determines they don't want there children to learn anything (although I don't agree) that should be there right as a parent.

Actually, I disagree with you on that one.

Why?

Because it becomes a public health issue at that point.

If a child is not taught ANYTHING about sex, the odds are pretty good that when he does grow up and start having sex, he will not know to protect himself and his partner from STDs. The more people we have out there who are ignorant about sex, the more unwanted pregnancies we have and the more STDs we have. If I didn't teach my son anything about sex, and he went out and caught chlamydia from someone, he could then pass that along to any subsequent sex partners. And if they're just as ignorant as he is, they wouldn't know to protect themselves and wouldn't know to get themselves checked periodically. Chlamydia can cause infertility.

So unless that parent also plans on cloistering their kid at a monastery or nunnery, their insistence upon their child's sexual ignorance AFFECTS OTHER PEOPLE. And THAT is why parents should not have the right to fuck around with the health of their kid and all of their kid's future sex partners, solely due to some misbegotten, ridiculous puritan attitude that thinks that even TALKING about sex is somehow immoral.

Jodi - posted on 09/17/2010

"I don't want my kids being taught about anal sex, masturbation quite yet."

But don't you have a 14 year old? And you haven't discussed masturbation with him? How do you know he's not already doing it? Have you talked to him yet about wet dreams? Sorry, I just find it bizzare that someone thinks a 14 year old isn't ready for that discussion.

?? - posted on 09/17/2010

Anyone that thinks Planned Parenthood is solely about abortion is as uninformed as they say the people who are facing the option of abortion or have chose to get an abortion are.



Margaret Sanger - the founder of family planning clinics all around the US - including many PP beginnings.



Taken from Wikipedia - but can be verified in the autobiography of Margaret Sanger;



In a chapter from Woman and the New Race (1920) entitled "Contraceptives or Abortion?," Sanger wrote, "While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."



In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: "To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."



In a 1916 edition of Family Limitation, Sanger advised women douche with boric acid and to take quinine to prevent implantation. She wrote further, "No one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions."





Planned Parenthood still holds the same values that Sanger intended back when she initially got involved in the birth control movement = contraceptives ARE the focus, NOT abortion.

Jaime - posted on 09/17/2010

For anyone that believes that 'Planned Parenthood' is a cult society of individuals dedicated to the massacre of unborn babies...have you ever actually taken a tour of their website?



I just did and their drop down list of health services is in alphabetical order...which makes it easily accessible. So I snooped a bit and from what I can see, PP offers a wide range of information about abortion, contraceptives, pregnancy, even MEN'S health issues, among other services. It's not looking like a crazy pro-abortion lobby group to me. But then, what do I know? I'm just the lazy asshole that wants my son exposed to as much un-biased information as possible so that he can learn to think for himself and not bed a bunch of STD-infested troglodytes.

Isobel - posted on 09/17/2010

I'm sorry you felt I was belittling you...my intent was to illustrate just how dangerous it is to let your children learn about sex from other children but hey...your choice is your choice.

I just know that I have heard CRAZY things from adults, nevermind 10 year olds.

Chatty - posted on 09/17/2010

Yes, I grew up in Abbotsford, moved away for many years and recently moved back after having Roxanne. I can't believe the blatant differences in our school systems....it's discouraging.

Abbotsford is the "bible belt" of the lower mainland. I'm literally surrounded by churches and the only thing that seperates my our home/yard from a Christian highschool is a 8 foot fence. Disturbing to think it varies so much between school districts and unfortunately religion plays a huge role in that. SO SAD!

Sherri - posted on 09/17/2010

My answer is NO

Johnny - posted on 09/17/2010

I wonder how many of the parents of the 13 year olds at that party think that they are not "ready" for sex ed yet? I guess they've got their "education" now.

Johnny - posted on 09/17/2010

I did grow up in Vancouver. Did you grow up in Abbotsford by chance? I suspect that the socio-political leanings of our respective school boards might have made the difference. When I was in kindergarten, there was a huge debate in the Vancouver School District over sex ed, with a few very religious administrators stepping down over the issue. It was resolved and comprehensive sex-ed was the answer.