" Why I still breastfeed my 4 year old. "

Chatty - posted on 03/12/2010 ( 83 moms have responded )

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Hi! Whether you decide to read the entire article or not I would LOVE to hear ur comments on extended or long term breastfeeding? If you read this woman's story please also feel free to comment on her experience......I found it rather strange the way she described things! To each their own, I guess?!!!





In December 2004, I wrote in these pages about how I found myself "still breastfeeding" a 14-month-old, when previously I had viewed "extended breastfeeders" as a bit odd, needy and, frankly, freaky. When I first became a mother, I had envisaged myself as a mother with a clipboard, with me in charge, not the baby. I never expected to be the sort of mother I am now, breastfeeding a four-year-old on demand. I thought I knew myself, but motherhood introduced me to a self I never even knew was lurking.





To pick up where I left off three years ago: at just over a year old, my daughter seemed to be losing interest in breastfeeding. But as it turned out, that was the lull before the storm. Just as she started walking, at 18 months, she started to feed intensively. This is normal: as babies reach major developmental stages, they need to feed more. Whereas she had never been able to tell me when she was hungry as a baby, now she beat her chest with her fists – like Tarzan's Cheetah – to tell me that she wanted milk. And she wanted milk a lot. I'd be lying if I said there weren't times when I wished I'd weaned her. I found it hard, but I was lucky. Far from being isolated, I co-run a pro-breastfeeding website that has lots of long-term breastfeeders as members. I wasn't going through anything others hadn't previously.



From the age of two, my daughter started to switch breasts – that is to say, she would no longer feed on one breast, then sedately take the other. She would switch, sometimes manically, between the two, because she had learnt that the let-down (the flow of milk) is faster if you stimulate the breasts in this way. It was also about this time that she started a habit I find extremely annoying to this day: twiddling. While she fed off one breast she would twiddle the other nipple, as if trying to tune in to a short wave radio station. Again, this was to stimulate the milk so that when she did latch on to the second breast, it was all ready to go.



I found feeding between the ages of two and four quite hard at times. She needed to feed a lot, sometimes 50 feeds a day, although they were quick. When we moved house, her feeding became almost frenzied, as if she thought I would leave her. Docking on to the "mothership" became vitally important. I'm not sure how I would have met her needs so quickly during this time without breastfeeding. And I'm not sure I could have parented during the terrible twos without it: it was like having an entire cavalry at your beck and call. Breasts are a powerful parenting tool.



Despite this, breastfeeding is often blamed for many childhood malaises. Your baby is hungry/ sleepy/won't sleep/colicky/you're tired? Give up breastfeeding! The very thing that can make life easier is jettisoned, purely out of ignorance. Imagine if every time you said you found parenting a little bit hard, someone said, "Put your child up for adoption." It'd be ridiculous, wouldn't it?



No matter how hard I found breastfeeding, however, I couldn't stop, for two reasons. The more knowledgeable I became, the more vital I knew sustained breastfeeding to be. And, second, because it is obvious how much breastfeeding means to my daughter. There's the beauty in feeding an older child: there is no second guessing – she tells me just how important my milk is to her, how it "makes everything better". When she gets a cold, she tells me that she needs my milk to "kill the cough". One night, she started to run a desperately high fever (104) and I had no medicine or way of getting any. I fed her all night; she injected her germs into me while my body made the antibodies she needed and fed them back to her. We both worked through the night and, by morning, she was better, as if the fever had never happened. Knowing that you have the wherewithal to comfort and cure your child within your own body is hugely magical and empowering. The bonuses that breastfeeding gifts you make the not-so-easy times fade into nothing.



Because we don't have a habit of feeding walking, talking children in this country, I stopped feeding my child in public when she got to be about two. I didn't want anyone else's ignorance to negate something she found so comforting. Now, there's a word: comfort. I remember, pre-motherhood, challenging a friend of mine who was breastfeeding her 18-month-old child. "But isn't it just for comfort?" I said. "What's wrong with wanting to comfort my child?" she said. Now, this is what I tell people, too. We – or rather, not me; not any longer – seem to be terribly afraid of comforting children. Sometimes it seems as if the more hands-off you are as a parent, the more of a success you are deemed to be.



Breastfeeding is about comfort, but it's also about nutrition, and that continues for as long as you breastfeed your child, whatever age they are. My milk is a living fluid – full of enzymes, macronutrients, minerals, vitamins, essential fatty acids, T-cells and at least 200 types of immunoglobin. And that's just what's known – there are ingredients in breast milk that we don't even know about yet. My milk changes, hour by hour, to meet the needs of my child. It isn't like any other woman's milk, anywhere on the planet, because my daughter isn't like any other child in the world.



In September, just as my child was about to turn four, I went to Italy with her. I'd been the year before and had encountered gentle curiosity about us still feeding. This time was different. "It's a tragedy," said one aged cousin, "that she's still feeding." "Who," I asked, "is it a tragedy for? Not me and not my daughter."



I smiled and offered tea, but she wasn't able to answer. Breastfeeding is an emotive subject – the most emotive I've written about. It brings up all sorts of stuff in people; even friends that have hitherto been supportive probably think I'm in freak territory now, even though I'm just doing what Mother Nature intended – humans are the only mammals that don't let their offspring feed to term. I can't deny that I like to normalise breastfeeding in a world that sees it as increasingly alien, and I'm also aware that some women don't have the support network I do and feel they need to feed in secret or enforce weaning when they don't really want to, because family and friends put pressure on them.



Naomi Stadlen, a psychotherapist, breastfeeding counsellor and author of What Mothers Do, Especially When it Looks Like Nothing, once told me that she thought people might feel threatened by the intimacy between a mother and her breastfeeding child. An uncomplicated response to the information "Yes, I'm still breastfeeding", might be curiosity; any stronger reaction was likely to be the other person projecting their problem on to you. It was a useful piece of information.



My child turned four at the end of September; her need to breastfeed seems to have dramatically declined, although, yet again, this may change. Feeding her is a wonderful time we have together and no matter how busy I think I am, it makes me sit down and be with her. She has lots of skin-to-skin contact with me, which I now know is important for neurological development. I've learnt that the natural age of weaning is closer to six years – when the first permanent molars appear – than six months. If I have another baby, my daughter may wean during pregnancy as milk supply can dip at that time. But if she continues to feed during pregnancy and beyond – called tandem feeding and perfectly possible – or if I don't have another baby, then she's in charge. She will wean when she is, uniquely to her, developmentally and immunologically ready (a child's immune system doesn't mature until they are about seven); she will then lose the ability to suckle. I'm interested to see where this goes and how much more I can surprise myself. All I know is that I'm glad I've got this far.





Annalisa Barbieri is co-founder of www.iwantmymum.comFurther reading: The Drinks are On Me, by Veronika Robinson, £11.99 www.artofchange.co.ukwww.kathydettwyler.orgwww.lalecheleague.orgAnn Sincott is writing a book on long-term breastfeeding and asks women to compile a questionnaire: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ann.sinnott...



Why mother's milk is best



* No scientific study has ever been carried out in the UK on breastmilk or breastfeeding beyond two years of age, despite strong anecdotal evidence of its benefits.



* Jack Newman, a paediatrician and world authority on breastfeeding, has this to say about breastfeeding an older child: "Possibly the most important aspect of nursing a toddler is not the nutritional or immunologic benefits, important as they are. I believe the most important aspect of nursing a toddler is the special relationship between child and mother. Breastfeeding is a life-affirming act of love. This continues when the baby becomes a toddler. Anyone without prejudices, who has ever observed an older baby or toddler nursing, can testify that there is something almost magical, something special, something far beyond food going on."



* The World Health Organisation recommends breastfeeding for at least two years.



* Breast milk has 70kcal per millilitre.



* Beyond 18 months, breast milk can provide as much as 31 per cent of calories and 38 per cent of all dietary protein.



* The iron in breastmilk is much more readily absorbed – a child may get as much as 50 per cent of its iron from his or her mother's milk.



* By the 20th month of lactation, levels of igG and igA (two immunoglobulins) are still as high as in the second week.



* "Independence, not dependence, is one outstanding trait that breastfed children who self-wean have in common," one study found (Ferguson, 1987).



* Last week, new research was publiched that showed breastfeeding protected against heart disease and high cholesterol. Children with a particular gene who were also breastfed were shown in the majority of cases to have a higher IQ.



* Breastfeeding has already been shown to protect both mother and baby against diabetes and certain cancers.

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Emma - posted on 04/08/2010

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I thought this might interest you all
i thought i would look in to the breastfeeding thing a bit more this is a some info on historical norms and cultural norms regarding breastfeeding.

http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/prisci...

Interesting stuff

Teresa - posted on 04/07/2010

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Who's volunteering to come put my son to bed tonight? He is 2 now after all and I don't really want to pin him down in his crib while he screams and cries hysterically for 'baboo nigh nigh'..... ;)



Thanks. I'll see you around 7:30. :)

Kathy - posted on 04/07/2010

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I breastfed my daughters for 2 years, 21/2 years (and was still feeding no.2 when no.3 was born. We tandem fed for a few months) and nearly 5 years.

Daughters 1 and 2 self-weaned. No 3 required a bit of a nudge from me but the last feed (the occasional night time feed) just gradually disappeared. By the time she went to school she'd lost interest. All three are now very independent young women who will eat anything and try new foods with alacrity. Our whole family is very close.

It was pretty radical for the time (my eldest daughter is now 29) but I had a very supportive group of friends, and my husband was - and is - fantastic.

It certainly wasn't a sexual feeling, but it didn't tie me down and I never felt I was living my life through my boobs OR my kids! I enjoyed it, yes, but I can't imagine what needs of mine it would have been fulfilling that weren't already being met. Our way wasn't for everyone, but it suited us.

So that's my story - bit radical at the time, perhaps,but not weird. We all lived happily ever after.

Shavaune - posted on 04/07/2010

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Oh please! I have known many extended breast feeders and have never heard of a kid still breast feeding past grade 1. If they still want to suck on your boob after that breast feeding is the least of your problems LOL Geez, there are always people who take any little thing to extremes but that doesn't mean that extended breastfeeding in general is wrong. I mean I've seen 4 year olds in diapers but I highly doubt they'll go to college still wearing them! UGG I keep picturing a guy in collage breastfeeding now LMAO

Minnie - posted on 04/07/2010

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Quoting Christina

There are many other ways to bond with your child when they are that old




So? Why isn't nursing a justifiable way to bond?



Suppose the child NEVER WANTS to wean from nursing




Tahahah! Get real.



Quoting Niemah:

what about your poor boobs? don't they get a say in the matter? : ) 4 to 7 years of being sucked on?




My stomach was never given a choice in digesting for these last 27 years.



I am sorry but we are not just mothers, we're woman too. and I don't know about you but I do value my body!




I wasn't aware that being a mother and a woman were adversarial positions. Of course I value my body- enough to reduce my risk of several hormonally-related diseases. And wow what value my body has! It can grow, sustain, and comfort another human being.



What does your husband think?




He thinks it's great. Why would he not?

Johnny - posted on 04/07/2010

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And what if being weaned early from the breast leads to detatchment disorder and the child grows up to become a psychopathic serial killer?

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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But if there aren't any then why worry about it?

C. - posted on 04/07/2010

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That was the point! There aren't, but every person is different. So in the off-chance that someone would be THAT attached to their mother's breast that they did not want to self-wean, then what would happen? I am thinking of the worst-case scenario with a woman and child who believe in self-weaning from nursing.

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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Christina, how many people do you know that are breastfeeding before they are off to campus?

Johnny - posted on 04/07/2010

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Christina, that is a completely absurd comment. Many many people in North America, and Europe, but particularly in all other parts of the world allow their children to self-wean. Have you ever heard of a college student breastfeeding from their mother????? Very many other cultures practice self-weaning in their children, and the median age in those places for weaning is about 4 years old. I really think you need to educate yourself a bit more about this topic.

As I said, I've known many extended breastfeeders and kids who were extended breastfed. The oldest child I've ever known to self-wean was 7. And aside from him, the next oldest was 5. And that was 2 kids out of very many. Most actually quit between their 2nd & 3rd birthdays.

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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Have any of you who suggest pumping after a year ever pumped? It's annoying, time consuming, messy and for me it doesn't empty me well at all. I just stopped pumping to donate milk because my daughter will be a year old (can't donate after that). It's not all about bonding, it's not all about nutrition. It's a mixture of so many things. I love the breastfeeding relationship I have with my daughter. She's 11 months and nurses 7-9 times/day. I have no plans to wean. I'm not ready and she's not ready so why should I force her?

I definitely value my body. I'm using my breasts for their God given reason. Not sure how that's not valuing my body. This is what I believe my breasts are here for and I'm so glad that I'm able to breastfeed for the length of time that my baby and I choose. Breastfeeding has made me feel more womanly than anything (this is how I feel. Not saying that if you don't breastfeed you're not a woman. Wanted to clear that up before it's misunderstood) My husband is supportive. Why wouldn't he be? He knows all of the benefits. It's not like he never gets to touch them although they are not his so he doesn't get to just grope and grab as he pleases. They're mine and just like you might choose to not breastfeed or breastfeed for a year, I choose to breastfeed for as long as we want.

C. - posted on 04/07/2010

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Ugh, Carol..

Suppose the child NEVER WANTS to wean from nursing. What would the parent do then? Let the child nurse as long as he/she lived? I suppose that would go over real well when they go to college and their mommy is on their way to nurse them for breakfast. There comes a time when you have to let a child grow up and be a CHILD, not a baby. You have to cut the apron strings at some point in time!

Johnny - posted on 04/07/2010

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Assuming that we are possibly able to know the motivations of every mother who breastfeeds past the age of 2 is ludicrous. Some may do if for less than reasonable motives, and others have perfectly good reasons. Some might be doing it for themselves, and others might have the strong belief and instinct that their children require it.

For example, I know a mom who is still breastfeeding her 4 year old daughter. My husband and I were over visiting her husband and the kids one afternoon when she got home from work. She came in, called her daughter in from the back yard, plopped down in the chair, and told her daughter, "come and have some boobie, Mommy's had a hard day." All I could think was WTF!!! That is exactly why people have the impression that parents are doing it for themselves. And honestly, I was quite disturbed that as the parent she was using her breastfeeding relationship with her daughter to fulfill her own needs for intimacy (notice I don't say her sexual needs!).

Now, I could have been closed-minded and gone on to decide that all parents nurse their kids for an extended period of time for their own selfish reasons. But I've known extended breastfeeders my whole life, and this was the first time I'd ever witness something like this. Most of them, only feed on demand, and have disciplined their children to demand it politely and only at certain appropriate times, often in the morning and before bed. They certainly don't go around asking their child to nurse to soothe the parent. Many of them believe that self-weaning is the appropriate route for a child, that it leads to greater self-confidence and independence as they grow up, and they don't necessarily love nursing (or hate it) but are simply doing what they believe to be the right thing for their children.

C. - posted on 04/07/2010

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@Sara.. Firstly, I apologize. I thought you were directing your comment towards me in your post (I suppose it would help if you specified a name), so I thought you were assuming that I thought it had something to do with being sexual. My mistake.



Secondly, I am not talking about finger foods. I am talking about when the child actually learns all the do's and don'ts of eating with utensils and masters that. That usually doesn't happen until around a year and a half, sometimes 2 depending on the child b/c we all know that children are different and learn at different paces.



And like I mentioned before. There are other ways to bond with your child. You don't HAVE to breastfeed until they are in grade school. And yes, I find it disgusting and unnecessary when people are breastfeeding a child past age 2, but I don't think it's sexual.



Like I said in a previous post, I think that mothers who breastfeed beyond the age of 2 are doing it to keep their child a baby to them. That's really all I think it is. I don't think it's anything sexual and I really don't think there are any benefits that could be reaped by breastfeeding a CHILD, not a toddler or baby, but a child. There are other ways to bond with your children. IMO

Niemah - posted on 04/07/2010

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Whoa, this is a heated subject.. I totally get giving your child breast milk if you feel its best, but personally I feel after 1 year to a year an a half its a little awkward and unnecessary. Why cant you just give her the breast milk in a cup or a bottle rather than give up the breast? Its almost like its more for you, then the best interest of the child..We all want our young ones to stay babies forever, but at some point you've got to let go.There are plenty of ways to bond with your child. I am not saying it's sexual, because that's just weird, I am just saying it's stunting their growth. It's the same as seeing a 7 year old with a bottle, what would you say to that? & what about your poor boobs? don't they get a say in the matter? : ) 4 to 7 years of being sucked on? I am sorry but we are not just mothers, we're woman too. and I don't know about you but I do value my body! What does your husband think? If you must, give them the breast milk..WITHOUT the breast... *just my two cents

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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If you read Lyndsay's posts it says this:

"For me it borders on a perverse type of sexual abuse... especially in this case, where the woman says her daughter tweaks one nipple while sucking on the other. She is obviously getting some type of pleasure from this, and even if its not sexual pleasure she is still taking advantage of a young child to fulfill her own needs."



A child can feed themselves before a year (usually) so should a mom stop breastfeeding then because her child has developed the pincer grasp? Even though the recommendation is 2 years (and the recommendation also says that the breastfeeding relationship should continue as long as mutually desired by mom and child).



This topic makes me laugh. People treat it like extended breastfeeders let their child run with scissors, play with knives and bounce around the back seat while they drive. Like Shavaune said, it's harmless. It doesn't hurt anyone (and yes there's been research on if it has any psychological effects on older breastfeeders). The only thing it does is continue to give mom and child all the wonderful benefits of breastfeeding (how terrible).

C. - posted on 04/07/2010

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Sara.. Who is saying it has anything to do with sex??? If the child can feed themselves, then breastfeeding really isn't necessary. There are many other ways to bond with your child when they are that old.

Shavaune - posted on 04/07/2010

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I never considered weaning my kids necessary. My kids never tolerated cow milk and hate soy milk.I let my kids self wean (which they did by the age of 2) when they were ready but maybe some other kids aren't ready. In my opinion breastfeeding is only between a mother and her baby and it shouldn't be anybodies business to tell them that they should quit. I had people tell me it was gross that I was still breastfeeding my 18 month old! lol Its such a harmless thing to do why does anyone care? I just don't understand how it suddenly becomes disgusting when they reach a certain age.

Lady - posted on 04/07/2010

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Sara you might not have met any mothers who extend breast feeding to avoid cooking but I'm sorry to say I have.

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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Yep, I got lots.



I was thinking...there are some cultures where it's completely acceptable (and encouraged) to breastfeed beyond 2 years. I'm not just talking about countries that have no food or water. So are they perverted for breastfeeding beyond what we (as a society) consider normal or are we the pervs for even thinking that breastfeeding a child of any age could be sexual?

Minnie - posted on 04/07/2010

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I suppose 'need' is completely subjective, Christina.

I enjoy nursing my daughter- it's not sexual in the least bit. I think it's silly to end something we both enjoy so much.

And I practice extended breastfeeding for MY health as well. It's the biological norm of things. My risk for ovarian, uterine, and breast cancer decreases the longer I nurse, as does my risk for osteoporosis. HER risk for those diseases decreases as well. I'm sorry if we choose to carry out that breastfeeding relationship at -gasp- my breast, rather than me spending time putting it in a cup. The horror!

Do you see any adults who breastfeed from their mothers? No? So what's the big deal letting a child self-wean?

C. - posted on 04/07/2010

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Sara, you really have some nerve. I never said it's Ok as if my opinion would change the opinion of someone else. I'm saying there really is no need past age 2 and YES I (ME, THE ONE TYPING RIGHT NOW) I think it's disgusting to breastfeed when there isn't a need to do it.



I really can't see any other reason to continue when it's not necessary, OTHER than the fact that the mother does NOT want to put in the effort to wean her baby (which would be VERY selfish!) That's MY opinion.

Emma - posted on 04/07/2010

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Well i think you might get in to some hot water with child services if someone reported seeing a 7 year old boy sucking on his mothers breasts while twiddling a nipple.

I stand by my first post on this each to there own i made my choice with my kids you are all free to do the same im just asking out of curiosity would the sex of the child have any bearing on anyone's decision ?

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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Why would that change anything? It would still be her son, right?

Emma - posted on 04/07/2010

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Just throwing this in the mix ....... or pouring petrol on a fire we will see which it turns out to be.

The woman in the article has a 4 year old girl who she says she might breast feed up to age 7. what if it was a boy and not a girl would this change things ???

I mean a seven year old boy still breast feeding .......

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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Wow, Lyndsay. My daughter has twiddled my nipple before. I don't get any pleasure from it. I find it a little annoying and stop her. People who make the "sexual abuse" claim always terribly offend people who have suffered REAL abuse. I don't get it. Who cares if this mom breastfeeds as long as she and her child wants? I bet if someone on her said (this is an example) that formula is disgusting that people would fly off the handle. So why is it ok to call extended breastfeeding disgusting? If you don't like it, don't do it.

Lyndsay - posted on 04/07/2010

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I didn't read this whole article, just the first half. Personally I think its disgusting. If its something you feel like you can't do out in public after a certain point, then why is it okay to do it in private? For me it borders on a perverse type of sexual abuse... especially in this case, where the woman says her daughter tweaks one nipple while sucking on the other. She is obviously getting some type of pleasure from this, and even if its not sexual pleasure she is still taking advantage of a young child to fulfill her own needs. The little girl is long past the age where she would benefit from breastfeeding, as opposed to eating actual food and getting her nutrients there. Not to mention the extreme attachment issues this kid is going to grow up with. I don't care what Ferguson said in 1987 -- breastfeeding a 4-year old is probably the easiest way to make a child co-dependent. All of those little factoids at the bottom are relevent to children up to two years old (as stated in the first fact, no research has really been done on breastfeeding older kids), which is fine. I think anything after that is pushing it waaaay too far.

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/07/2010

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Christina, I just assumed because my daughter is approaching the "disgusting age" when it comes to breastfeeding (which is the general statement you made). I'm glad you've said it's ok to go to 2 years. My attitude is mirroring the one I'm reading. :)



Gillian, usually when people breastfeed that long it's down to only a few times a day. Solids become their main source of nutrition. I don't know any extended breastfeeders who only give their 2,3,4, etc year old only breastmilk just because they don't feel like making a meal.

Johnny - posted on 04/07/2010

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I used to give her bottles of 1/2 pumped breast milk and 1/2 cow's milk that she would take. But now that I'm not pumping anymore, and have absolutely no plan to start again, that option isn't there. She doesn't have milk in cereal, but I don't worry about it because she eats plenty of yogurt, cottage cheese, and other cheeses. She does also eat custards. So it isn't like she doesn't have any dairy in her diet. It really hasn't been a focus of mine to get her on to drinking milk. Like Emma said, she gets all those vitamins and nutrients elsewhere in her diet as well. To be honest, I wasn't really seriously asking for Christina's advice. I was being facetious.

LaCi - posted on 04/07/2010

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This is not judgement, this is just my opinion and observation. I don't really care at all if people want to breastfeed a 4 year old or a 15 year old. I think its a little strange, mainly because it is about time for the kid to start school. I don't understand the necessity of breastfeeding a four year old for bonding, there are SO many way to bond with kids. From the nutritional standpoint, why cant she pump and allow her daughter to go places? I mean, she can't be having any time away from mommy at this point. No play dates, no preschool, etc. Mom can't follow her around school as the milk machine, so pumping I would see as being less strange. i think breastfeeding at 4 has downfalls as far as limiting what her little girl can do. Does she have friends? does she have hobbies outside the home? What a boring childhood that would be, IMO. If someone wants their kiddo to get the nutritional benefits of breast milk at 4 thats one thing, but the bonding is so unnecessary, and IMO more for the mothers benefit than the childs. I think she wants to feel needed, to feel unreplaceable, and like the most important force in the girls life and unfortunately she can't seem to feel that way without breastfeeding.

Lady - posted on 04/07/2010

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@Carol for no other reason than pure curiosity - does your child take other types of milk in cereal, sauces and puddings ect? I hope you don't mind me asking, I was just wondering.

I personally don't have much of a problem with mums breastfeeding up to 2 years old as that is the recomendation - although I couldn't have done it beyond a year.(I fed all my children for 8 months). But I do think that after the age of 2 they should be weanned as I fail to see the benifits to the child of going longer, their immune systems are quite well developed, they can get all their nutrition from other sources and they are more than capable of getting comfort in other ways.

@Sara, their are mothers out their that extend breastfeeding for purely selfish reasons - not all of them, that is not what I'm saying but there are some, I've seen them , I know them. In a lot of ways it's the easy option for them, they don't have to make the effort of weaning, they don't have to go to the effort of trying to creat a helthy balanced diet because they asume that the child is getting all they need from the breast milk and if the child is ever upset or fussy they simply whip it out. Like I said I'm not saying all extended brestfeeder do that but there are quite a few.

Emma - posted on 04/07/2010

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@ Carol
As i posted i only managed to breast feed my kids for 3 months so they had formula, but when i transitioned them of the formula and on to milk i did a half milk half water mix with a teaspoon of the formula as they where used to the taste, then i stopped putting any formula in at all and slowly increased the milk to water ratio.
But i don't give my kids milk any more as there are many other ways of getting the good things in milk like calcium in them with out giving them breast milk from another species if your lucky as i have been with my kids they will eat almost anything you put in front of them. so i have no problem getting all the good stuff in. but as i said im lucky.

C. - posted on 04/07/2010

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Um, excuse me, Sara, but I never said anything about weaning your daughter. So why don't you take that snide-ass attitude back to where it came from. It's not needed. Well I am sorry that I misunderstood your comment, but after SO MANY other comments and you posted one that sounded like a general statement, how was I to know you were aiming it directly at the OP?

*Fluffy Bunnies - posted on 04/06/2010

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Oh, you're right. I better look at weaning my daughter because Christina says so. Not. I was responding to the OP which was about that mom. My original plan was one year, but now I feel differently. If another mom wants to wean at one then it's because she feels it's the right time. I think a breastfeeding relationship is between mom and child an no one else. And I don't think you would appreciate someone calling something you do as a parent "disgusting."

Melissa - posted on 04/06/2010

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I am not one to judge, so I won't, but I also find this rather odd.

Johnny - posted on 04/06/2010

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Oh, I'd love to hear your suggestions of how to get my daughter to accept other milk! It would be so very helpful.

I personally would not choose to breastfeed my daughter until she is 4, or much after her 2nd birthday for that matter. As soon as she has cut her final molars, I plan to gently nudge her in the direction of weaning. But that is my desire, and I do not think that other people are disgusting for choosing to nurse longer than I.

I do have concerns about socialization issues for school aged children who continue to nurse. The potential for bullying, teasing, and mortification for a 7 year old whose peers discover that he/she still is nursing should be strongly considered IMO. My mother's friend continued to nurse her son until he was 6 and it was discovered by some kids on his street. He quit that day, but continued to be harassed about it until he graduated from high school and left town. His humiliation was very severe, and to this day, he has a terribly strained relationship with his mother. I do not think that these problems are in any way universal for children who are breastfed until they are older, but they need to be at least considered by the mother. There is a point at which being closely bonded with one's mother in that way may become detrimental to successful integration into our North American/European society. But for a 4 year old, I don't think it is an issue quite yet.

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@Sara..



"A mother that realizes her child's needs and nurses as long as that child wants/needs to is not selfish. If anything she is selfless."



When you generalize statements like that, then how are people supposed to know that you were only talking about this mom? How else is someone supposed to take that kind of statement when you do not specify?





@Lisa.. If you haven't developed a strong bond by breastfeeding between mother and child by the time that child is two, then maybe the whole bonding by breastfeeding thing isn't working..





@Carol.. I am not talking about a child who "asks" by crying or anything like that.. I am talking about when a child can walk up to mom, lift her shirt up and say "mom, I want to nurse" in perfectly plain English (or whatever language you happen to speak). To me, yes that is a little disturbing.



Ok, I know I said before that beyond age 1 is a little disgusting, but I can be flexible enough to buy that idea about until the age of 2 (even though all my doctors recommended age 1 and after 1 they start cow's milk).. However.. A 4 YEAR OLD?? That is just disgusting to me, and apparently to other moms as well.



So, I'm wondering now after your statement about moms that know their kids and themselves best.. What if a mom and child did NOT want to quit breastfeeding and that child was.. 7 or 8? Wouldn't you say that was a little disturbing?



And as for the "My daughter also has refused to drink cow's milk, soy milk, or almond milk"... Well, I'm just going to bite my tongue on that b/c I think that begs another debate.

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I find this idea that a child who can ask for it shouldn't be breastfeeding quite perplexing. Firstly, because my daughter has been "asking for it" since birth. Back then it was with crying, now thankfully, she just says, "nursie". Much more pleasant than crying if you ask me.

Secondly, according to the pediatric society where I live and according to the WHO it is considered optimal to breastfeed until the age of 2. Now, how many 20 month old kids are unable to ask for the things that they want? My daughter can ask for food, specific kinds of foods, water, books, specific toys, to go to the playground, and to visit our neighbors, etc. It would be rather strange if she couldn't ask to nurse.

My daughter also has refused to drink cow's milk, soy milk, or almond milk, so the best source of nutrition in this area is still coming from my breast milk. She eats a huge variety of fruits, vegetables, legumes, grains, and meats, but there are things, especially the antibodies, that my breast milk gives her that she is not getting from any other source.

I certainly do not think that all moms should practice extended breastfeeding. I tend to think that moms know their kids and themselves best, and are the ones who should be making that choice for themselves. I just hate to think that there are people out there weaning their children simply because people have told them a bunch of bs about how kids who can ask for it shouldn't be nursing.

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And...I'm pretty sure I didn't say that mothers who don't breastfeed beyond a year are selfish. I said that THIS mom is not selfish. So yeah :P

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I'm sure that you have not overlooked the fact that breastfeeding is not purely about nutrition, Christina.

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@Sara.. So just b/c a mother DOESN'T want to engage in "extended breastfeeding", it makes her selfish? Hmm.. Yeah, didn't think so.



(@ the group..)

Personally I think 4 years old is WAY too extreme and not at all necessary. Children that age can eat with utensils and do things by themselves, can take vitamins. Breastfeeding a child that can do so many things by themselves (like a 4-year-old!) is almost like holding your child back, like you want them to STAY a baby, IMO! It's just not necessary at all and I think that WAY too many mothers do it simply for the "wow-factor" and do it so people WILL stop and stare and so they can say something to the people that stare at them. You're just asking for comments when you sit out in public breastfeeding a young child who is NOT in ANY WAY a baby anymore.



And WHY are the mothers that are Pro-extended-breast-feeding making it out that mother who aren't for it are bad and selfish??? You all keep saying it's a personal choice if you wish to breastfeed longer than one year.. Well some mothers either can't or don't want to breastfeed longer than one year. So why should we leave it at a personal choice for YOU when YOU are bashing those who can't or won't? Is it not a personal choice for us, too?



I have made this point in many other breastfeeding forums before, but the fact that someone else just said it is wonderful!



"I think if your kid can ask you to wip out a boob as they fancy a quick drink they are to old to still be doing it."



THANK YOU, EMMA!!!



Sorry if I offended anyone. I just really don't see the point when your child is capable of eating by themselves. And I DID edit this before I posted, believe it or not. Like I said, sorry if I offended anyone, but I personally don't see the need for it to go that long.

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Well each to there own, I live in Africa and no one looks at you twice if you whip a boob out in public and feed your kids, but i can tell you now ive never seen an African momma feeding a 4 year old and they are far less bothered by what the west deems appropriate, So i would like to know if there are any documented accounts of this way back when before we all became uptight about boobs and being socially acceptability.

I think if your kid can ask you to wip out a boob as they fancy a quick drink they are to old to still be doing it.
I breast fed both my kids as long as i could i only made it to 3 months each as my milk just was not sufficient for there needs, i had planed for +/- 1year
Personally i just think 4 is a little freaky but as i said before each to there own.

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oh sara, you are brave! any mom who chooses to breast feed for however long is brave. we sacrifice so much to breast feed. we give our bodies to our babies. we give up our sleep due to night nursing. we just plain give ourselves because no one else can breastfeed and that means that at 3 am when you're tired, dad can't help because he doesn't have boobs. and why do we do this? because we know it's the best thing!

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A mother that realizes her child's needs and nurses as long as that child wants/needs to is not selfish. If anything she is selfless. She continues to do what is best for her child regardless of the terrible things society tells her. She is compassionate and understanding of her child and is not forcing them to do things that they are not ready for. I wish I could be that brave, but I don't know if I am.

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Extended breastfeeding is one thing....I think whatever works for mom and child is great, however, some people take extended to the extreme. When I read that "the natural age of weaning is 6 years old", I 100% disagree. By that time, a child is in 1st grade and can tell his/her classmates about how it gets it's milk from it's mother. This can be devastating for a child that age. In turn, if you tell your child not to tell their classmates, then it's seen as something unnatural and puts the child in a bad position. While I think 2 years of age is complete max in my book, if a mother continues past that while the child is still at home and young enough that if said to his/her friends about getting "mommie's milk", then more power to the mom. But, again, I think it's completely selfish on the mothers part if a child of 5 or 6 is still nursing and potentially put in a position to be ostracized and teased by their peers. This is clearly just my opinion.

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So I read the entire post, and it made me smile...

Before I had my daughter, I thought it was DISGUSTING that my sister would breastfeed her 2 1/2 year old son.

Now that I have my own child who is a major "tittie girl" as we call her, I would have no problem breastfeeding her as long as she wanted. There are so many benefits, and like some other women on here said, "What's wrong with comforting my child?"

I know for some people, 4 years old is extreme... but for me, I am realizing that could be me in a few years, and I'm okay with that!

As far as the twiddling goes, Valerie has tried that with me, and she still does. But I am very consistent in covering my breast after nursing, and putting my hand over it, because she tries to twiddle over my bra. She gets the hint.

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Alison: I posted the original thread but those aren't my words; it's just a blog I found! I'm sorry I won't be able to answer ur questions!

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"and i am not uneducated on the topic, when i was breastfeeding my own son i worked with 3 different lactaion consulants, not to mention the 7 classes i took while preggers. all in which long term breastfeeding was discussed. and 13 yr. olds become pregnant bc there parents dont educate them about sex and the problems it can cause not bc when they were 4 there mother had a hard time trying to explain breastfeeding to them."

You missed my point here. Failing to explain breastfeeding to a small child won't cause that to happen, no. But if you are that uncomfortable with explaining a NATURAL situation between a mother & her child that is completely innocent, how in the world do you plan to explain to your child later on what sex is, birth control, condom use, and all the other topics that are bound to come up later on? Parents being too embarrassed or uncomfortable to discuss things like that is the reason why kids go right out and have sex, do drugs, and end up in trouble. They've had no preparation or guidance.

And I'm very surprised that person who is so educated about breastfeeding is treating it like such a dirty topic, but that is just me.

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I feel really sad reading this. I was so determined to breastfeed my baby, unfortunately he arrived at 27 weeks. I pumped for 10 weeks, but because of all the drugs I was on for severe pre eclampsia, the frequent pumping and the stress, my breast milk supply stopped. Dead. Nothing worked.

I would have been completely open to feeding him as long as it worked for us, whether that be 1 year or 5 years.

I think society is weird, why is milk from a foreign animal - a cow, goat or sheep, more acceptable than milk from our own species? It baffles me!

Says me who has been giving her son cow's milk based formula for over 6 months I love being a hypocrite!!!

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The problem with this is when is it going stop? Will the child not go to school because she won't have her mother's breasts with her.. will she ever be able to comfort herself?