abortion...for once and for all

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Catholics don't worship Christ though. lol. Go back and look at the history of the catholic church they freakin burned Christians at the stake for having a bible and believing in Jesus.

Isobel - posted on 09/03/2010

Christian means follower of Christ...therefore Catholic is just a branch of Christian...I really wish you guys could figure your own religion out.

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Catholics, are not Christians. Totally different. They whorship mary, and angels. To quite honest ultimately they worship satan....do a little research on it.

Rosie - posted on 09/03/2010

partial birth aboritons are illegal except for if the mothers health or life is in danger. which i find VERY reasonable. read this, it is a story of a christian woman who had to abort her twins. http://www.barryyeoman.com/articles/gina...

esther a while ago posted this story and it touched my heart deeply, and the last sentence should make you sit back and think a bit.

At 17 weeks gestation our baby had been diagnosed with major heart defects requiring a minimum of three risky open-heart surgeries beginning at birth, and would later require a heart transplant. At 19 weeks we were finally given our amnio results which revealed our baby also had Trisomy 21.

A surgeon at the major teaching hospital where we'd had our fetal echocardiogram informed us that even if our baby somehow survived his palliative surgeries, this latest diagnosis meant he would not ever be eligible for a heart transplant. As we sat talking quietly in our living room, our priest shared with us that he’d spent time at the same hospital where we’d had our fetal echocardiogram and where our son would have had surgery.

He was there to support the family of a three-month-old who was having heart surgery. In the three weeks or so that he tended to this family, he also met 10 other families in the waiting room, each of whom also had young babies undergoing heart surgery. Sadly, within the short space of time our priest was there, every single one of those babies died.

Our priest came away from that experience feeling that this world-renowned children’s hospital was basically experimenting on babies. He saw their futile suffering and likened it to being crucified. The family he had gone there to support later told him that if they had only known what their baby would be forced to go through before dying, they would never have chosen surgery. Our priest told us that he believed we were not choosing our son’s death, only choosing the timing of his death in order to spare him a great deal of suffering. Something he said that brought us great comfort was “God knows what is in your hearts.” God knows our choice was based on mercy and compassion. Who would better understand our hearts than God, who made the choice for His own Son to die?

LaCi - posted on 09/03/2010

A fetus has no conscious brain function in the second trimester. A fetus responds to stimuli because it has low level brain function. There is no self awareness, there is no conscious thought, and being that this is a neurologist who is perfectly capable of checking brain waves and determining brain function I'd expect he should focus on that, since it's what actually matters.

Shannon - posted on 09/03/2010

Why isn't anyone commenting on the links I posted?? Nothing to say, huh??

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Great research Shannon!

Shannon - posted on 09/03/2010

Statement by Dr. Paul Ranalli



Dr. Ranalli is a neurologist at the University of Toronto, in Toronto Canada. He is acting president of the de Veber Institute for Bioethics and Social Research. He gave a presentation called "Pain, Fetal Development, and Partial-birth abortion" on 1997-JUN-27 to the House Judiciary Committee of the State of Ohio. 2,3 He has concluded that the "spino-thalamic" system is fully developed at about 12 to 14 weeks of gestation. This is the system that conveys pain signals from pain receptors throughout the body to the thalamus. He believes that the thalamus can feel pain, even though a connection between it and the cortex is missing.



To support his belief that a fetus in the second trimester can feel pain, he cites three signs:

*a fetus will "withdraw from painful stimulation"

*two types of stress hormones which are detected in adults who are feeling pain are also found in a fetus from when a blood sample is withdrawn. He quotes:

*Nicholas Fisk of London, England who observed this reaction as early as 19 weeks 4, and

*J Partch of Kiel, Germany who observed it at 16 weeks.





http://www.abbyjohnson.org/about/

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Lets just agree that anyone should have a RIGHT to life...you would think it would be horrible if someone tried to come and terminate you....You would say that is murder....terminating a life inside the womb is the same thing. It is taking anothers life without their permission

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Krista, you said that just because it has a beating heart doesn't mean its a baby?????!!!! Girl, anything with a beating heart has life, and is entitled to life so you tell me of an example of a living thing with a heart beat that isn't considered to a life. Lets say for example you have a beating heart. Are you a human? Or a evolving fetus? lol Maybe if your mom doesn't like you she should still have the right to come abort you.

Jenny - posted on 09/03/2010

If I was aborted or my child was, we wouldn't know any different as we wouldn't exist. What a silly rational.

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Lets just call it for what it is - They call us pro lifers so lets call pro choice the truth Pro Death lol.

As far as a woman being on drugs and getting pregnant, or a woman getting raped? Well for starters rape is wrong, but so is murder...you guys use crazy examples to try to justify abortion lol. How many women that get raped actually get pregnant, and most women that are out on drugs don't even hesitate to take birth control so not very good examples. I am concerned about married women who have a husband, money, and way to take care of a child and still go get abortions. That is what i call crazy. On another note someone said that a baby at conception is not capable of hearing...etc. Well, that little heart is beating like within very little time of conception. Ultimately what you choose to do within the law is your choice, but think about the kids you have now...what if you had aborted them??? You wouldn't have the blessing that you do

Shannon - posted on 09/03/2010

It is ALWAYS a baby, born or not...

Shannon - posted on 09/03/2010

Planned Parenthood also lies to their patients about abortion....



http://liveaction.org/



http://liveaction.org/monalisa

Shannon - posted on 09/03/2010

Barbara....I'm so glad you asked to see a video of Planned Parenthood supporting pedophilia... Because I have one.

http://www.lifenews.com/state4837.html

http://liveaction.org/lilarose

Jenny - posted on 09/03/2010

Not have sex lol. You tell my partner of 10 years that and see how it goes over. Sorry honey, I have to keep my legs closed so I don't risk getting pregnant. I've had a tubal ligation and I still have a 1 in 1000 of regenerating and getting pregnant. Birth control is not 100% effective.

Chatty - posted on 09/03/2010

I'm pro-choice! Just wanted to get in on this although I admit I haven't read the previous two hundred and seventy something comments. Sorry.

Krista - posted on 09/03/2010

By the way if you are so determined to make a choice to have abortions, or that it is ok just don't have sex. Wouldn't that be a better choice?

It's all very black and white to you, isn't it? So if I get pregnant and my fetus has anencephaly, then I should have just not had sex with my husband? If I get raped, then I should have just told my rapist to not have sex with me? If I'm a drug addict and completely fucked out of my mind and don't even know where I am, then I should have the presence of mind to be celibate?

This isn't a 1950's sitcom, where the "good girls" all wait until marriage, and have 2.5 perfect children after smooth, uneventful pregnancies, and where the "bad girls" have premarital sex, get pregnant, and get abortions.

Life is a hell of a lot more complicated than that. And it would be nice if pro-lifers acknowledged that once in awhile instead of just screaming at clinics (and sneaking their daughters in the back door for an abortion the next day).

Krista - posted on 09/03/2010

Sarah, be serious. A newly-conceived embryo cannot hear or suck its thumb. Hearing does not develop until 30 weeks, and virtually nobody is having abortions at that point. Studies strongly indicate that fetuses are not capable of feeling pain until 26 weeks gestation. It has a little beating heart, and yes, it is a life, but it is not a baby. And to compare a first-trimester abortion with the murder of a full-term, independent infant is just inane.

Rosie - posted on 09/03/2010

what about my married friend who used birthcontrol adn still got pregnant? should she not have sex? what about the woman who was raped? should she just not have sex? there's so many variables to that statement sarah. you just can't apply that to everybody.

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Krista, no a baby is a baby at conception....it has a little beating heart, it can hear, and it can suck its thumb. It is a life at conception.

Krista - posted on 09/03/2010

First of all, nobody aborts infants. They abort an embryo or a fetus.

Second of all, there is a huge difference between an 8-week old embryo and a newborn baby.

A new born baby can obviously survive outside of the uterus. An embryo cannot. An embryo has only very rudimentary brain activity, focused solely on growing itself. A newborn baby is a sentient being with emotions and pain receptors.

Besides, all of this is moot. It's not like any of us are saying that it's a GOOD thing to have an abortion. But sometimes, in a very bad situation, it's the better choice.

Now with regards to "partial birth" abortion, first of all, I must remind you that the majority of abortions DO take place in the embryonic stage, so late-term abortions are actually relatively rare. And many of them are done either to save the life/health of the mother, or because the fetus has severe abnormalities that are incompatible with life. Perhaps you would be content to carry a baby with no face to term, knowing that it would die the second it's born, and wouldn't mind. Maybe you wouldn't mind going through with a pregnancy that threatens your life and could leave your existing children motherless.

But you do not have the right to make that decision for another woman.

Jenny - posted on 09/03/2010

It is ALWAYS my body, pregnant or not. No law will take that from me.

My line is drawn when a fetus can survive outside the womb. I am not a slave to procreation. I am not an incubator. I am not a baby making factory. I do not care if others consider it worng. I am a woman with a complete family. I will never complete another pregnancy as I do not want another natural child. If we desire another down the road, we will adopt. Abortion is not always about rape or life threating circumstances, we have (or deserve to have) the right to control what is in our bodies.

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

By the way if you are so determined to make a choice to have abortions, or that it is ok just don't have sex. Wouldn't that be a better choice?

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

lol. There is no way to convince you guys that pro choice, or abortion is wrong because you have the wrong mindset. Ok, look at it this way why is it ok for a person to abort a baby as a infant, but its not ok to take a childs life when they are older? Obviously it is a human and a baby at conception and birth just like it is at 6 months, 1 year and so on. Why should it be anyones choice to ever take another persons life. Just because our government makes something legal does not for one moment make it right. What about partial birth abortion? hmmm its pretty obvious that as a baby is being born it is murder to stick an instrument in their brain...which is what they do. How would you like it if someone did that to you? Someone mentioned that a womans body is hers and she has a choice....well when you are carrying another human its not your body its the babys body. I don't care what you try to say to make it right there is no way that taking anothers life is ever right.

Jenny - posted on 09/03/2010

I can't stand Alex Jones and I'm a tinfoil hat wearer from way back.

Bottom line, no person has the right to tell a woman what can inhabitate her body. It's HER choice period. There is no other alternative.

Dana - posted on 09/03/2010

OMG those clip say that planned parenthood sells body parts and that they support pedophilia...what a joke. I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching those.

Dana - posted on 09/03/2010

I'm not for abortion, I'm for choice. It's not up to me to tell anyone whether they should carry a baby that's been conceived by rape, incest or because of any other issues. I'll do what I want to do for myself, they can do what THEY want to do for themselves. Conservatives talk about the "world police" or "new world order" what do you think you're doing going around telling everyone what they can and can not do.

Barbara - posted on 09/03/2010

Sarah, why can't you prove your point? There are a lot of good arguments against abortion, why post these videos filled with inflammatory, silly, unbelievable statements that you evidently cannot prove?
I'd like to see the proof that Planned Parenthood sells bodyparts, for example. And that they are supporting pedophilia. Your video stated these things were so, can you provide any evidence to back these statements up? Even biased evidence gathered by abortion organizations? Anything?

Krista - posted on 09/03/2010

Sarah, you're not getting it. Being for choice does not necessarily equate being for abortion. I think I can speak for everybody when I say that if a time ever comes when abortions are rendered unnecessary, we'd be right there with you cheering and throwing a ticker-tape parade.

HOWEVER, most of us here are also realists. And we know that unless we develop some sort of dystopian Aldous-Huxley-esque way of procreating, then pregnancies will still take place inside of a woman's body, and that accidental pregnancies will still take place.

I have never in the position of having a pregnancy threaten my health or my life. I have never been raped. I have never been pregnant with a baby that had severe fetal abnormalities incompatible with life. I have never been homeless and pregnant. I have never been in an abusive marriage. I have never been an alcoholic or drug addict who found out she was pregnant. I have never had my birth control fail at age 17, right before starting university.

I have never had any of those things happen to me, so I will be DAMNED if I will support the idea of the law forcing those women to carry those pregnancies.

Sometimes, for some people, abortion is the lesser of two evils.

So what I am FOR, is working on trying to get all of those aforementioned situations reduced in the first place. Improve prenatal health. Reduce rape. Improve contraception and access to it. Etc. Etc. If you pro-life folk expended some of your considerable energies on THAT stuff, you'd see abortion numbers drop a HELL of a lot more than by waving scare-tactic signs in front of clinics.

Making abortion illegal is NOT going to make it go away.

Preventing unwanted pregnancies is what's going to make abortion go away -- or at least reduce it by one heck of a lot.

Isobel - posted on 09/03/2010

because it's not murder. It's a women's rights issue, when they are illegal, women die. That's about it really.

and yes, the medical community has rallied to prove that there is no link between abortion and breast cancer. That part was a lie...the rest was his opinion.

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Dang, why are you all so for abortion??? I don't get it

LaCi - posted on 09/03/2010

Man. Com ate my post regarding the video. I'm sad. It was a long one. I'll try again later. I'll go ahead and say though, that the guy is a moron.

Barbara - posted on 09/03/2010

Sarah, if he's telling the truth, he's not providing any irrefutable facts to back up what he's saying. Perhaps you can provide some?

LaCi - posted on 09/03/2010

"The fact that abortion is genocide !!"

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

A fetus is not a racial, political, or cultural group.

Sarah - posted on 09/03/2010

Toni, it is a video of the truth. It is not a lie. Believe what you want, but the guy didn't make it up

Jaime - posted on 09/02/2010

I support abortion, no matter the reason!



Having said that, I am not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice. I support abortion because it's necessary. No woman should be forced to carry a child in her womb that she does not want. Talk about torture.



We can talk about the rights of the fetus all we want, but a fetus doesn't have a living status until it is born and deemed 'alive' and eligible for a birth certificate. We don't issue birth certificates in utero. It sucks balls when someone has to get an abortion, because even the most immature woman in the world, can't possibly look at herself in the mirror after her 10th abortion and think that she has made good choices in her life. But I will assert that her decision to not have those 10 babies would be far more humane than giving birth to 10 babies that are a mere consequence of selfish actions.

Toni - posted on 09/02/2010

Sarah I am really confused with what you think that video shows, because as far as I can see it is scare mongering and actually works against the pro-life cause. Please could you explain what exactly you thought it demonstrated.

Barbara - posted on 09/02/2010

Oops, I thought it was a repost of the other video. This one isn't funny, it's disturbing. And what does it even have to do with abortion?

Barbara - posted on 09/02/2010

That video is HILARIOUS! I saw the "Abortion is WRONG" post and thought it was put up as a joke, it's just so ridiculous.
I love how he equates not being sued for libel as proof that he's telling the truth. Maybe Planned Parenthood has better things to do with their time and limited funds than suing crazy people.

Rosie - posted on 09/02/2010

why must people LIE to make their point? whoever the heck this guy is doesn't tell the truth about the breast cancer thing. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/facts...



the rest of it, well his lying in the beginning made me not want to listen to him at all. he's using scare tactics to get what he wants -hmmm, remind you of anybody?? because he knows that his argument WITHOUT lies holds no water.

Dana - posted on 09/02/2010

Oh he's funny, almost as funny as Glen Beck. I wonder if he considers himself a good Christian man too. Does yelling and puffing out his chest make him a good man? Putting on a show, reading off cue cards? Hmm...

Sarah - posted on 09/02/2010

Sarah - posted on 09/02/2010

Dana - posted on 09/02/2010

I was actually asking about your reasoning as to why one is okay but, the other is not. Though I will be happy to move on.

Shannon - posted on 09/02/2010

About rape??? NO, I already said I don't allow my daughter to see anything that has to do with sex. She has never even heard the word sex, so it isn't an issue yet. When the sex issue arises, I will explain it to her & I WILL talk to her about rape. I will not show her a rape video. AND THAT IS MY CHOICE. You people are all about freedom of choice, well MY choice was to show her an abortion video.
We have all established the fact that I'm a bad & abusive mother for having let my daughter watch curtain things...can we move on to the REAL subject please. The fact that abortion is genocide !!

Shannon - posted on 09/02/2010

Which question was that???

Dana - posted on 09/01/2010

Shannon, is it possible for you to answer my question. I'm very curious.

Sarah - posted on 09/01/2010

Michelle, i understand where you are coming from...pro choice or pro life its a choice which way you want to believe. God gave us a free will and we can use our will, and make decisions in the way we want. What we do and believe is between us and God. I have made many bad choices in my life, and am still reaping some of them. What is So wonderfully awesome though is that God forgives us, and that each day is a new day. Some people saw me as being rude on here earlier today, and for that I am sorry. I am no better then anyone else, and I cannot judge anyone for the decisions they make. To tell you the truth i have all kinds of things going on in my life, and earlier today i felt like just spouting in anger towards someone. That was not the right way for me to handle it. Anyways, sorry guys i was wrong...I still believe abortion is wrong, but shouldn't be handled in anger.