Borders are no laughing matter Mr. President.

Tanya - posted on 05/22/2010

Also I found this thread posted by other people of your state
Unless you are an illegal being smuggled into the US, then kidnapping will be as far removed from your experiences here as shoveling snow.

Here's how the statistics get run up. Sheriff Joe busts a drop house where Mexicans who have been smuggled in to the country are being forced to call relatives and friends to pay ransom to set them free. Every alien who is in the house when the bust goes down results in a "kidnapping" charge against the coyote (smugglers). It's pretty easy to run up 15, 20 or more kidnapping statistics for each drop house bust. It is kidnapping in that people are being held against their will for ransom, but it is not the same as you are probably thinking.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/phoenix-a...

Tanya - posted on 05/22/2010

Arizona is 15th in violent crimes. That means at least 14 other states are worse off than you.

Johnny - posted on 05/13/2010

"Wow the comment blows about Americans. You really hate us don’t you?"

Diane, what the hell are you talking about???? And exactly how do you get the erroneous impression that I hate Americans?

LaCi - posted on 05/12/2010

Diane, our CAPS are at 800,000 with priority given to refugees and those who are moving because of their job ie TYPES of immigrants. I suggested RAISING the caps, ideally eliminating the caps, but at the very least RAISING the caps. If people are ABLE to immigrate legally then they don't need to risk their lives trying to swim across rivers or raft across oceans. YOU have twisted it into something racist and I still can't see how or what point you are trying to make. TYPES of immigrants are determined by REASONS for immigration and thats what we ALREADY DO. You are selectively illiterate and unable to comprehend anything anyone writes, Pretty much done with this debate theres no more I can say and if there were it would be warped in your twisted brain.

Diane - posted on 05/12/2010

No sweetheart..I nailed you on a statement that sounded a bit racist and selective.

You said and I quote.........."raising our caps on the amount and types of immigrants we take in, decreases the need to immigrate illegally."

What are types? To do this you would have to profile. And gee Laci that is just wrong. :)

Types.........to sort them out you would have to profile and then be selective.

LaCi - posted on 05/12/2010

I said legalize drugs. Not just legalize marijuana. Pot is the primary example because it is primarily what they transport, living there obviously doesn't mean you know more about the drug trade. The only reason the immigrants aren't a problem as far as drug cartels go here, is because they recruit little white girls after they get it into arizona to transport throughout the country.



I never said to make immigration laws tougher or MORE selective I said LESS selective, raising the caps not limiting it primarily to refugees and people moving because of business requirements.



You've twisted everything I've said around to use as some illegitimate argument for the ridiculous procedure you support. You IGNORE logic and common sense.





are you selectively illiterate? I think you need to re-read and actually attempt to comprehend everything I just said because you obviously didn't retain ANY information from my previous post, it has somehow become completely warped in your head. That seems to be the norm with you.

Diane - posted on 05/12/2010

“my idea of helping people is allowing them to pursue better lives, offering services to maintain an acceptable quality of living for everyone, and not throwing people in prison for ridiculous actions that don't harm anyone”
Like what? So we should do nothing when we catch lawbreakers in this case illegals? What do we do with them when we catch them?
Legalizing pot will not illuminate drug cartels. Pot is not the only drug they traffic. They also traffic human beings.
“If you can't see the broader picture on what decriminalizing or legalizing drugs can do, then you must be completely blind to societal problems altogether.”
And if you can’t see what legalizing pot might do, what not enforcing the border laws will do to America, then you are completely blind. We have got to close the borders if we want to survive.
You want open borders and that will not only destroy Arizona but eventually America.
Why should we let everyone in? And how do you raise caps on the amount and types of immigrants that we let in. If you want to make it tougher and are selective about the type, that sounds there like its profiling. There is a problem with the system…….we are not enforcing the law as we have always known it and Washington is not doing their job.
“Being citizens and paying taxes eliminates all complaints of these god damn illegals coming over to take advantage of our social programs.”
It does not. They get the social programs at the taxpayers expense no matter what they do. Not a nice name to call illegals is it? We do not need anymore social programs. We have to many government social programs.
We now have socialized medicine. But that was never an issue with illegals because they got free medical anyone. The taxpayer pays for the same services they get free. No hospital can turn them away. They come over the border to have their offspring, so that at least one will be illegal. That law needs to change. The baby born should be from the country of origin of the woman.
Let me ask ya a question. If we did not take the illegals that come over the border back….then what do we do with them. Who should have to pay for all their needs. I do not want to pay for them. Why should I be forced?
You say do not send them back. So we should get rid of border patrol and just let the hundreds of van full of illegals daily to come over. They will collapse our hospitals in Arizona . Hospitals do not get reimbursed for the money they spent on illegals care. Our schools are filled with illegals who cant speak English. What do we do, hire more teachers to cater to their needs? Where do they do to live? And if businesses are banned from hiring them where will they work?
They are sucking the system dry.
You never addressed the Mexican laws that exist. They have tougher laws than we do. They profile.

ME - posted on 05/12/2010

Laci...that's exactly how you help people...I couldn't add a thing...

LaCi - posted on 05/12/2010

my idea of helping people is allowing them to pursue better lives, offering services to maintain an acceptable quality of living for everyone, and not throwing people in prison for ridiculous actions that don't harm anyone.



Legalizing drugs not only frees up money from prisons, it eliminates drug cartels and the industry in general which eliminates COUNTLESS murders nationwide. It raises tax revenue to pay for the social programs you complain about, which you wouldn't be paying for unless you were a pothead. It goes beyond our borders and strikes the mexican drug cartels at home. Mexico is being completely TERRORIZED by these cartels, and the elimination of their profit destroys them. It's internationally beneficial. If you can't see the broader picture on what decriminalizing or legalizing drugs can do, then you must be completely blind to societal problems altogether.



Making it easier to become a legal citizen, raising our caps on the amount and types of immigrants we take in, decreases the need to immigrate illegally. You said you've been trying to help someone gain citizenship for TWENTY years. You of all people should understand there is a problem with the system.



Fair tax taxes our spending, not our income. Business pay no taxes on employees regardless of citizenship. Prices of goods go down, businesses have incentives to stay in the US because of tax benefits. Sales tax is increased to cover the difference, which means you choose to pay taxes.



Being citizens and paying taxes eliminates all complaints of these god damn illegals coming over to take advantage of our social programs.



universal healthcare- which the republicans killed- would eliminate your complaint that they get free medical attention while you had to pay for a tummy ache.



Any problems you see that I haven't addressed? I'm pretty sure I've said ALL that already. So don't say I didn't offer a solution, I offered many solutions that go above and beyond the problem. Your solution addresses one symptom of a very deep problem, and it won't even solve the problem of that one symptom.



Throwing people back over the border, in overdrive, will cause more people to die trying to get back in-little kids die trying to get out of mexico, and then you want to throw them in prison for ten years! Not only are you in support of throwing more money at the border to prevent immigration, you want to throw more money at patrols to find the ones who have already made it here, and then you want to throw even MORE money at prisons- where they will receive food, water and free medical care beyond what they would even get as illegal immigrants. YOU have not offered a single solution to the problem. You support actions that will cause FAR more harm than any good they could ever hope to achieve.

Jenny - posted on 05/11/2010

Diane, have you considered the fact that modern laws may not solve all of our present problems? Perhaps it's time to think outside the box on these issues.

Diane - posted on 05/11/2010

Do you think following the law is extreme Laci?
Yes lets legalize everything because our prisons are so full.
You have no offered one solution to the problem.

And curious about what your idea of helping people is?

LaCi - posted on 05/10/2010

Diane, your idea of helping people is NOT my idea of helping people. Your idea of helping people is applicable to only americans. My idea of helping people is universal.

Everything you complain about with illegal immigration I've already said there is a solution to that you are ignoring that would actually help with the problem and not perpetuate the cycle, and these solutions would actually benefit people. But as I said before, you refuse to read, comprehend, and listen to ANY argument that doesn't fit into your extremism. I feel no need to perpetuate this cycle of restating my points, because it would serve as much a purpose as throwing people back over the border, or in prison for 10 years-which is expensive by the way.

Johnny - posted on 05/09/2010

Diane, you really might want to consider how much of what you are reading into my/our posts is what is really written, since you can't even seem to manage to copy the spelling of my name correctly. I think the reception in your echo chamber is getting fuzzy.

Diane - posted on 05/09/2010

You also said, “I care very much about those who are in trouble and need help, which is why I believe government's duty is to help people rather than harm them. Which is why I believe people should have the opportunity to gain legal citizenship, why I believe the government's job is not to criminalize everything, but to offer social programs to end the problems they now criminalize.”
The government is not helping us secure the border Laci. Let me say this again…..THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT HELPING US SECURE OUR BORDERS. THEY ARE DOING NOTHING. We are talking right now about GET THIS STRAIGHT…………FOLLOWING THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE. If we change policies and laws then fine. This is not about that. THIS IS ABOUT FOLLOWING U.S. LAWS NOW.
I have nothing against legal immigration. I have been helping a woman who has been in this country for twenty years and has four children, gain citizenship. She has permission to be here..but has not become a citizen. My father in law helped pay for a lawyer to get things moving faster and now she is doing all the medical check ups to make it final. I have nothing against people like this. But we cannot have open borders and allow all of Mexico to come across and then force the Arizona taxpayer to pay all their bills. This is not fair. We have social programs in Arizona for illegals. Arizona State University even gave at one time tuition grants to illegals…which is bullcrap and a slap in the face to citizen’s kids who do not have the money to go. Any illegal can go to any hospital and get FREE MEDICAL ATTENTION. I went for food poisoning a few weeks back and guess what……..I HAD TO PAY. How is that fair?
I can’t help that Mexico is a hell hole. Churches in Arizona are very gracious and most send missionaries over the border to help build schools, and housing. We can’t take on all the hell holes in the world however and if you and citizens are such humanitarians …then why doesn’t your country help? Look at all the land you have in Canada. Or should Arizonians take care of all of Mexico?
You said, “Illegal immigration is a symptom”…………No, it is an action that is against American law. It is just what the term says it is….it is illegal. We have laws in America…….and until changed they should be followed. Why are you so against following laws? Should I only follow the laws I think are fair. I pray in front of abortion clinics and there is a law that I have to stand back so far. Should I disregard this and do what I want? I live in a neighborhood that says you can’t park a truck in the front driveway overnight that it must be garaged. Should I break this law too? I do not want my taxes paying for abortion. Should I hold back a portion and then tell the government that I am not paying what they say I owe?
Because I am not in favor of law breaking you think I am a racist and horrible. What if Iraq bordered on the north side of Arizona, and those people also wanted to come to America and were entering illegally. Should we accept everybody because they live in a crappy country? Because the U.S taxpayer does not want and is sick of paying the tab for illegals…….that makes us racist?
You are advocating forcing someone to support someone they do not wish to support. Our Constitution does not say that illegals are citizens. It does not say that we have to give what we make to support anyone else. It has always been through the goodness of ones heart that people give. And you will not find another nation on earth whose people give more than we do. We might have faults but we give.
I help people too. I tithe to church and our church is big on missions. We support over ten full time missionary families all over the world. I give to various organizations that help people. I have worked before with Crisis pregnancy Centers and with Right to Life in my state. I help people. And as I said, I am helping my friend with citizenship. Get this,,,,,,,I am following the laws while I am doing it.
What you all do not get is this. You assume that its only White folk that are in favor of this law in Arizona. Not true…a great majority of the legal Mexican population is for this law as well. They know that something must be done and that while this law might not be perfect…it’s a start. They also know and have faith in our police that they will follow the law. A great number of police in Arizona are Hispanic. You assume that our police force are racist white men.

Diane - posted on 05/09/2010

We are not talking about Bush, he is no longer president. And although I voted for him, the later part of his second term was a disaster. He was such a disaster that people wanted change bad enough to elect a left wing radical socialist who had not one bit of experience or could boast that he had done anything of substance in his political career… for its next president. The thing is you guys think that Obama can do nothing wrong. I do not find this clip funny and I think it is in poor taste. And I certainly am not saying Bush did everything right. That does not change the fact that Obama said what he did and I believe two wrongs never make a right. Obama laughing at our circumstances shows what kind of person he is.
The US government by law is supposed to protect our borders and they are not doing their job. What should our governor do?
Wow the comment blows about Americans. You really hate us don’t you? Wow, I can only imagine what your country would do if you were attacked by outside forces. LOOK SOUTH I bet. 
You said, “And your suggestion that the government should "Make illegal entry into the country a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment." and "Make re-entry, after deportation punishable by ten years' imprisonment." will only result in a need for the most massive and intense prison building exercise known to man. And they'd just have to keep on building. Plus the cost of keeping all those illegal’s fed and clothed. Yikes! Unless your husband is a construction contractor and you would be personally financially benefiting from such an arrangement, I suspect that you would not appreciate the tax bill that you would have to foot to cover those costs.”
I never suggested the punishment. Didn’t you read what I wrote? LOL The list I gave were Mexican laws and what they do to illegals they find in their country. Notice they have tougher laws than we do on this.

You are such a whiner Carole… blame America, no wonder you like Obama, he blames us for everything too.
Carole if you only knew the people of color that are in my life today. But you do not deserve a response really, you are not worth it. You are the one who is intolerant of anyone’s opinions but your own. So you call names….cause it’s all ya got and it’s immature. I do not have a racist bone in my body.
Laci said, “So while you throw millions of innocent people back to mexico and then in prison, you'll still be endanger because you'll never solve the problem of crime with the drug cartels.”
Who is innocent? If we sent people back to Mexico that means they are here illegally honey. That would be following the law. If you are here without documentation you are DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. We do not want to send legal Mexicans back, only those who are breaking the law. Why is that concept so hard for you to get Laci? Why do you condone lawbreaking? What other laws should citizens break?

Kathy - posted on 05/09/2010

I'm not getting involved in US politics, except to say it's the same the world over!

Sara - posted on 05/08/2010

Yes, I'm sure he thinks this whole "Presidency" thing is just one joke after another!!! Oh man, he's just got to be rolling all the time! I mean, did you see how quickly he decided to send all those tens of thousands of troops to Afghanistan? You're so right, it's obvious that he just doesn't care at all.



Sorry, but your assertions are pretty ludicrous. I believe he takes this Presidency very seriously, as I believe every President before him has. Just because you don't agree with the man politically does not prove that he doesn't care. You need to educate yourself a little more and assign proper blame where blame is due. The President isn't infalliable, but there are two other branches of government, you know.

LaCi - posted on 05/08/2010

I had a debate related response and deleted it because this is all I have left to say

You reject any point that doesn't fit into your crooked, extremist "conservative" philosophy. You apparently have no interest in or knowledge of the WHY, you ignore reality and avoid targeting the root of a problem. You are so blinded by your own extremism that you are completely incapable of even reading an argument that isn't along the lines of your own, which is why you misquote, misinterpret, and completely lack an understanding of anything I have said in any of these threads. You apparently think I've said the opposite of what I've actually said now. I have no interest in reiterating my point to attempt to argue with someone who can't even manage to read or comprehend anyone else's arguments. Continue believing what you believe, there's no reasoning with people who lack common sense and logic.

I care very much about those who are in trouble and need help, which is why I believe government's duty is to help people rather than harm them. Which is why I believe people should have the opportunity to gain legal citizenship, why I believe the government's job is not to criminalize everything, but to offer social programs to end the problems they now criminalize. The solution is not to throw people in jail, or back to a hellhole crime ridden country. Illegal immigration is a symptom, it is NOT the disease. You want a a government that doesn't help people, merely harms them. What I want will NEVER happen here, americans are much too concerned about themselves to give a damn about anyone else. So yes, I will leave. I will be content paying into a society that helps its own people. My entire purpose in life is to help people.

Before you argue about drug trafficking and some solution to it and the violence that follows you need to actually have an understanding of the situation, which you don't.

Johnny - posted on 05/08/2010

Diane, it seems to have escaped your notice, but these terrible problems with drug cartels, human smuggling, and gang violence are occurring ALL over the world. There are very few places on earth that have escaped this scourge. Even up here in icy Canada we have major issues with Chinese triads & Vietnamese gangs (very often consisting of Illegal immigrants), human smuggling from China and Eastern Europe, the drug trade exchanging marijuana for cocaine & heroin (bad deal) and illegal weapons smuggled from (guess who?) the United States. In fact, one of our major law enforcement concerns right now is ease of getting all those wonderful American semi-automatic guns across our borders. I really don't doubt that the problems in Arizona are more intense, although I can think of quite a few other places that have it worse.



The problem with this new law is that instead of finding law enforcement measures that combat gangs, establishing social institutions and supports that will reduce illegal drug usage making it a less profitable enterprise, and being willing to pay the real costs of growing food and manufacturing products domestically, society has chosen to instead curtail civil rights. This law isn't going to fix anything. I seriously doubt there will be much improvement witnessed. And a whole lot of people will likely just see their civil rights trampled (those are the ones who really might have the right to be offended by Obama's joke).



And your suggestion that the government should"Make illegal entry into the country a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment." and "Make re-entry, after deportation punishable by ten years' imprisonment." will only result in a need for the most massive and intense prison building exercise known to man. And they'd just have to keep on building. Plus the cost of keeping all those illegals fed and clothed. Yikes! Unless your husband is a construction contractor and you would be personally financially benefiting from such an arrangement, I suspect that you would not appreciate the tax bill that you would have to foot to cover those costs.



One comment I do have to agree with, "Ban foreigners from interfering in internal politics". That would be great, as long as it applies to everyone. Because if the US would stop interfering in Canadian politics we would be able to finally legalize marijuana, utilize proper drug harm protection measures, and put in more stringent firearms legislation. So I think that would be just fantastic.



And do I think Arizonans as a group are racists? Heck no!! Not even close. I suspect the great great majority are not. But I think you are.

ME - posted on 05/08/2010

See Diane...a sense of humor about difficult problems is ok...it doesn't make you a disgrace...it means that you don't ALWAYS in every single possible situation, take yourself 100% seriously. President Bush WAS joking about a war where he was the cause of thousands of deaths...PRESIDENT Obama was joking...he was joking in an appropriate way at an appropriate function...I think maybe your tinfoil hat stopped working...

Krista - posted on 05/08/2010

Here you go, Diane.



Ha ha ha! We can't find these supposed WMDs upon which we based this entire rationale for a war that has killed thousands of American soldiers! Isn't that just HILARIOUS?!?!

Glad I could help.

Diane - posted on 05/08/2010

Honey I lived in Michigan for 45 years before moving to Arizona...so do not tell me that the dangers are anywhere close to they are where I am now. I also have spent a lot of time in Canada........I know that border. I know both borders. How about you? And where do you live??????? I see the Indiana and Kentucky border.......how many cartels do you see working your area.
As I said you just have no clue whatsoever.

And what you said about not giving a damn.......you certainly do not, at least for those who are in trouble and need help.

Now if that is not a narcissistic view of life I don't know what one is.

Just try to comprehend this..... WE DO NOT WANT TO THROW LEGAL CITIZENS OVER THE BORDER. WE WANT TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ONES. What is so freaking hard about getting that concept. WE WANT THE LAWS FOLLOWED.
I cant help that you want and encourage people to break out laws..........I follow them. I want equal justice for the citizens of our state.

LaCi - posted on 05/08/2010

Bush absolutely would have gotten away with it, because all we ever did was laugh at bush. His entire presidency was a laughing matter, a sick joke. It's actually quite sad that I can't be completely entertained by the comedic value of our president and how completely fucktarded he is anymore.


We're all so up in arms about mexicans coming in our country illegally, we want walls and security and new legislation. We have another border, people can easily cross. They don't really have to do much to smuggle drugs in through canada, which is why theres no violence on our northern border. They just throw the weed over a ditch and someone swings past the other side and picks it up. No one would complain if canadians snuck across. Not that they have a big reason to do so, since they're in a better situation than we ourselves are. So do I think it's racist to target the border that separates mostly white from mostly non-white? absolutely.

And you still ignore all the other solutions to that problem, perpetuate the cycle, throw them out so they'll come right back in and keep the problem alive and well. Although more will die trying to cross multiple times. I hope the immigration laws in arizona are effective for years so everyone can see with their own eyes that it won't do a damn bit of good, that it won't solve any problems.

So while you throw millions of innocent people back to mexico and then in prison, you'll still be endanger because you'll never solve the problem of crime with the drug cartels. Theres too much money involved in trafficking through arizona and there will ALWAYS be another person lined up to do the job of the man you threw back across the border, because thats how the world works, the profit exceeds the risk. In the meantime, the prices of everything will go up, farms and factories will shut down, because citizens don't want the jobs for lower pay and by the time you pay them the wages they want the prices will skyrocket and we'll all need higher wages, the companies will go bankrupt, because we've ignored the root of all the problems we'll all suffer. It will be fantastic.

And then I'll go jump that northern border a little sooner than I planned, so I don't really give a damn . ;)

Diane - posted on 05/08/2010

Celia said, “How do you read so much into one sentence? You are assuming much Diane!
He never said your police are corrupt, he said if someone has no ID they are chucked out of your state.”

Because that one sentence my dear tells a story. His words and actions spoke volumes. Washington has done nothing, he has done nothing to help us. He has to joke to cover up the fact that he has done nothing. People are in danger in Arizona. The invasion from our southern border is growing and crimes are going up.

People who are against this law are saying that our police are corrupt and that they will not do their job legally and will abuse the system. They want to protect the criminal by tying the hands of law enforcement. Obamas joke is not, was not funny. And the fact that you or others think this is funny shows your lack of concern for me and others in my state.

What if Bush had made a statement about the people waiting in boats during Katrina…that they were so stupid that they could not swim to safety? Think that would have been taken as a comical harmless joke? Hell no.

What do you think Mary Elizabeth…think Bush could have said a statement like that and gotten away with just laughing the joke off as fun?

I got a question for ya. Last week on the show Red Eye which is a"satirical take" on the news, Greg Guttfield made what he thought were hilarious comments about the Canadian military. He suggested that they want to take breaks from duty to get "manicures and pedicures," to practice yoga and to prance around in "gorgeous white capris." He made the comment in reference to what some military commander in Canada said about Canadian troops who will be coming back from Afganistan, getting a much needed rest. After the comment a few were killed in action in Afganistan so they attacked him even more. Threats have been made over Guttfields comments and a comedian has been banned in Canada from performing because he laughed at the comments. Guttfield has apologized but it’s not good enough for the Canadian military. Is this funny? Is it funny that men and women are in service for the country and someone makes comments about that service just as a joke? Is it funny that people in my state are dying and Obama our president makes jokes about it? That we go so far as to kick people out just because they are Mexican? We do not do that. We want the ones who are here illegally to go home.

I am so glad that Carol you are so amused and think this issue is a joke. And thank you Kathryn that you get it. You live it of course because you I am sure see crimes happening all around you. I am glad you are here, welcome.

I am sure you would agree that the people here are a sad group.

And to this group I say, how dare you call the people in my state racist. Your words are ignorant of our problems. It shows lack of knowledge and more than that character and empathy for people who have problems they can’t solve. You sit back in your ivory towers and laugh. You are the ones who are cruel and mean-spirited.

The reason the Hispanic population is being singled out by people who do not live in our state is because the invasion is COMING FROM MEXICO. If we bordered China then it would be Chinese. We for the most part are not looking for Chinese drug cartels. We are not looking for Australian drug cartels. Our population is made up of a lot of Mexicans already so we can’t help but try to weed out the lawbreakers from this large population who are in fact following our laws. We can’t help it that they happen to be Mexican. What is so hard for you to get? Now that we have e-verify businesses have cleaned up their acts and there are not as many coming for jobs. They move through our state to find work. I am not talking about the nonviolent ones coming across the border; I am mainly talking about the ones who are here with criminal intent in mind.

Although it is a law I am sure you are not aware of….it is illegal to be in the United States if you are not a citizen and do not have permission.

Ya know Jenny the hiding Canadian communist……… Every country on earth has borders. And for your information the Mexican law on immigration is enforced more than ours is.

The Obama administration has promised to make immigration reform a priority, but the issue has taken a back seat to his Health Care reform. Oh well another campaign promise thrown out the window. Of course Michelle has become fast friends with the Mexican first lady. And now Barracks administration has earned praise from Mexico for taking the blame saying that U.S. drug consumption is a large part of the problem. Ah those poor drug cartels. In other words Obama says……..we deserve it. And I am sure he thinks Arizona deserves this invasion. He now has his Camelot and does not give a rip what happens to anyone else. Say has he said or done anything about the oil leak?

You say that we are racist in Arizona? Here is Mexico and their laws.

Make illegal entry into the country a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment.
Make re-entry, after deportation punishable by ten years' imprisonment.
Require all law enforcement officials at all levels to cooperate in enforcement of immigration laws, including illegal alien arrest and deportations.
In obvious cases allow any person to arrest the illegal aliens and accomplices.
Make it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.
Require immigration authorities to keep a record of each foreigner.
Ban foreigners from interfering in internal politics;
Send those who aid in illegal immigration to prison.
Allow only immigrants who will be useful and that can support themselves and their dependents.
Keep track of every foreigner in the country.
All police at every level must cooperate with federal immigration and assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants.
Fine and/or imprison foreigners with fake immigration papers.
Fine, deport, and/or imprison foreigners who fail to obey the laws.
Imprison foreigners who are deported and re-enter the country for 10 years.
Make it a felony to help illegal aliens enter the country or to employ them.

http://www.ktsm.com/is-mexicos-protest-o...


Mexico
"A national population registry keeps track of every single individual who comprises the population of the country, and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86) a national catalog of foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91)."


We have a law in the US. If you are not a citizen and do not have permission you are here illegally. How do you catch people if you do not ask where they are from?

Could you give me a clip Krista when Bush said what you accuse him of saying? I want to hear or read what you are talking about.

Krista - posted on 05/08/2010

And Diane, were you this outraged when Bush was making jokes about not being able to find WMDs, at his press dinner? An awful lot of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians had died because of that war, which was based upon the lie that Saddam had WMDs. Were you equally outraged when Bush made a mockery out of the reason for the death of so many American troops?

Krista - posted on 05/08/2010

Yes, Joe A. is definitely a godsend (rolls eyes). I'm sure Richard Post thinks so, anyway.

For those of you who don't know, Richard Post is a paraplegic who was arrested for possession of weed in 1996. Arpaio's goons broke the guy's neck. He's not the first person to be seriously injured or even killed while in Arpaio's custody.

But, he's giving illegals the boot, so who gives a damn if he breaks a few necks to blow off some steam, right?

Jenny - posted on 05/08/2010

Borders are ABSOLUTELY a joke. They are imaginary lines we drew on a picture of the big rock that we all live on and SHARE. WTF! Borders are not natural, no wonder people can't stick to them. We're animals, we mingle.

Kathryn - posted on 05/07/2010

I live in Arizona and this is no laughing matter. He was asked by our governor 5 times to get in here and help us and he has done nothing. The most he has done for us is make jokes. Life here is out of control. We have over 450,000 illegals here and they are here against the law. What is it that people don't understand, AGAINST THE LAW. This is my home not theirs. Enough is enough. Thank the Lord we have a Joe A. who is rounding them up and giving them the boot back to their own country.

Johnny - posted on 05/07/2010

LOL. He may not be all that effective as a president (IMHO) but he sure can crack a joke. Thanks for posting that Diane. I hope the majority has greater empathy for your issues when you become the minority than you show for their issues. "For the times, they are a changin'".

ME - posted on 05/07/2010

That's a pretty funny joke. PRESIDENT Obama was talking to the press corp at their annual dinner. It's supposed to be a funny speech...every president that speaks at that dinner gives a "funny" speech. He didn't make a joke about cancer or abortion, nor did he make a joke about kidnappings or drug use. He made a joke about a ridiculous and unconstitutional law that will almost undoubtably be overturned asap...

...if anyone should be offended by this joke, it's the US citizens who now have to worry about their civil rights being trampled on...not you!

Celia - posted on 05/07/2010

How do you read so much into one sentence? You are assuming much Diane!
He never said your police are corrupt, he said if someone has no ID they are chucked out of your state... it is a law that was just passed in Arizona as you know. I laughed at his joke because its a joke that the law was ever passed in the first place, its Arizona who is racist if a state can ever be called racist. With the majority of its citizens being hispanic I am thinking its a bit odd they are being singled out for discrimination... thats alot of people being escorted out of the country!! All the poor buisnesses who rely on their spending. Its sad really. But Adios indeed!
Dont be too upset that you are a minority, at least you are a minority of privilege and power!! Soon all your yucky McDonalds will be shut down if people like you have any say over it spanish speaking or not. Who would work them?