Burn the Qur'an

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Krista - posted on 09/10/2010

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for their own benefit, Dana. Interviewing sane, sensible people who are capable of nuance and rational thought is BORING and doesn't bring in good ratings. Giving air time to the nutjobs who scream and yell about wanting their country back? That there's some damn fine entertainment!



And that's the problem. The news isn't the news anymore -- it's "info-tainment". I know I've said this before, but I COMPLETELY blame it on the advent of 24-hour news channels. There is only so much REAL news that happens in a day, and these channels have to bring in sponsorships and justify their existence. So they have to grab viewers and keep them interested all day long. And how do you do that? By appealing to their base emotions: fear, anger, lust, greed, pride, superiority. Fox has turned it into an art form: scare the shit out of them, tell them who is to blame for them being so scared, and then tell them how "your" side is going to make it all better. It's cathartic, it's addictive, and it's emblematic of how journalism has utterly gone down the shitter.

Dana - posted on 09/10/2010

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Yes, luckily all Americans didn't think that way, I would go insane. lol It's hard enough hearing that there are some people out there like that. Though really, I haven NEVER in my life ran into so many crazy Republicans on CoM, as I have in real life. I will say there are plenty of people who hate Muslims getting air time right now, our media is doing the United States a disservice by giving them air time, imo, because it is not representative of our whole country. As we all know, the American media has been cultivating a cesspool of misinformation and outright lies for quite a while now, for whose benefit...I don't know.

Johnny - posted on 09/09/2010

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Well, those of us who are not Americans can only really judge by what we see portrayed on TV and in other media (and here on COM) and there appears to be quite a number of people who feel that Muslims are not Americans, regardless of what their citizenship papers say. I don't think anyone is suggesting that anything close to the majority of Americans feel this way, but some clearly do. I've seen comments here on COM to that effect. They are in the minority, but they exist. It's not an attack on Americans ( I get this vibe from your post). There are idiots in every country who think crap like this. There are Canadians who think that the only real Canadians are white, Anglo-Saxon protestants whose family has been here since confederation. They are also a small minority, and luckily, they don't get the media time they seem to in the US.

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It'll hurt the troops stationed in Muslim countries.

These idiots speak for Christianity in the same way the terrorists of 9/11 spoke for Islam. Pathetic, ignorant, backward!

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They burn our flag so I can burn their Qur'an....WE are supposed to out grow our 5 year old mentalities, WE are supposed to be the bigger person and demonstrate HOW we are supposed to behave. This can only be detrimental to international relationships and will not HELP anybody affected by 9/11.

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Dana - posted on 09/10/2010

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I fully agree, Krista. You would think that someone would have some integrity in the freaking media and stop the insanity. I'm dead serious too. It's so frustrating, I don't even bother watching mainstream media anymore. This whole fiasco going on, he's burning the Qur'an, he's not, he is, he's not. A deal has been made, no it hasn't. You'd think they would have gotten facts straight before they gave him more air time. The whole damn thing seems orchestrated.

Krista - posted on 09/10/2010

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Exactly, Carol. Sorry, Dana -- I wasn't being clear. I didn't mean by any stretch that all Americans think that way. Unfortunately, there IS a rather vocal and angry contingent who speak and behave as though they do not believe that Americans of the Muslim faith are actually Americans at all.

Mind you, many of those same individuals also do not believe that Democrats are real Americans, so I think the problem is broader than just religious tension...

Dana - posted on 09/09/2010

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Seriously? People in the United States know that there are Muslims in the US because there have ALWAYS been Muslims in the US. I really don't know where you guys get that impression. It's not as if 9/11 hit and people think there was this huge influx of Arab Muslims that came to the United States. Maybe you guys are only seeing an extreme view on what the US is like.

Katherine - posted on 09/09/2010

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He's obviously very unstable. He need to be treated like a damn terrorist.

Michelle - posted on 09/09/2010

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Well the last news about this situation was that he wasn't going to burn it because there was a promise made to him about the mosque being moved in NYC, but then an hour later he said it was postponed. Because the person that promised him the mosque would be moved said he never said it......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100910/ap_o...

Katherine - posted on 09/09/2010

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Hopefully somone rigs his trailer before he burns the Korans'. With him in it of course. Why did he decide now it's a good idea? It's been YEARS, why 2010?

I hope someone offs him. I'm so violent.

Krista - posted on 09/09/2010

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Actually, Dana, I think a lot of people do forget that. Either that, or they deliberately choose to think of Muslim Americans as not "real" Americans, and hence, not worthy of their consideration.

Dana - posted on 09/09/2010

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I think I'm missing your point Jenny. I think everyone is well aware that Muslims live in the United States and that this is a shitty act against the United States too.

ME - posted on 09/09/2010

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This topic came up in all three of my college classes today...interesting. I teach in a very conservative area with a large population of muslims...I think this is a tough issue, actually. This man probably has every right to do what he's suggesting...If American citizens can burn our own flag, then they can also burn a book...however, just because you have the right to do something, it doesn't mean it's a good idea. I told my students today that their right to freedom of speech is fairly limitless (as long as they are not hurting anyone, or inciting violence against anyone), but their reasons for their "speech" are totally up for debate, and fair game to anyone who wants to comment on their "speech". Freedom of speech does not free you from criticism of that speech...

Krista - posted on 09/09/2010

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Good point, Jenny! A lot of people forget that there are a lot of Muslims living in America. They're asked to assimilate and to give their loyalty to that country. But how loyal would YOU feel to a country when a sizable contingent of its media and politicians make no bones about the fact that they think that everybody like you is an evil terrorist?

Jenny - posted on 09/09/2010

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There are Muslims in the United States. This act IS a shitty message to the US as well as all over the world. White Christian is not representative of all of America.

Dana - posted on 09/09/2010

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Well, I think if Muslims were planning on burning the bible on 9/11. I'd blow a gasket. I mean, that would be one shitty message to the United States...

Krista - posted on 09/09/2010

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Note how he said he'd give his life. People like that would love nothing more than to become martyrs for their cause.

And yeah, Jenny, if it was Muslims planning to burn bibles on 9/11? Glenn Beck would implode from an orgasm of outrage.

Dana - posted on 09/09/2010

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Yes, Iris, luckily they are few.

I too think he should be locked in a mental facility. It's unfortunate that many people who go to church to find answers are usually at the end of their rope or have mental issues. They then find this type of church with a nut job running it and they think it is the way. It's very sad but, not uncommon in any religion or just life in general.
There are also plenty of people who hate Muslims that don't believe in God at all. I wonder what they think of this.

Iris - posted on 09/09/2010

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The only people that are going to be the victims are the military people, at least to start with. This arrogant stupid pastor can hide in whatever rat hole, he's not fighting out there and he knows that. But he's making a war on terrorism into a war of religion. The extremist, self centered christians will be all for it, but the norm will be against. The sad thing though is that actions speak louder than words most of the time. Personally, I think he should be locked in a mental facility.
How can he not see that by his actions he is encouraging terrorism? My only answer is that he is stupid intolerant terrorist himself.

Jenny - posted on 09/08/2010

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Is a case for terrorism there? The laws are pretty broad these days right? Or can only Christians be terrorised? If this was a mosque burning bibles on 9/11 IN AMERICA can you IMAGINE the reaction in the Land of the Free?

Johnny - posted on 09/08/2010

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I wasn't joking either Jenny. I seriously suspect it. There are so many out there who list their favorite book as the "Left Behind" series and believe it to be prophesy. They are actively involved in attempting to facilitate the end times through extremism and more covert methods. These are the types who would hear their preacher hint that Obama was evil, then later in their bible study he'd turn into the anti-christ, and the next thing you know, they're plotting to vote for him because his arrival would be another signifier of the coming of the end times.

Johnny - posted on 09/08/2010

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LOL @ Jenny. I always suspected that was why Bush went to war in Iraq, to speed up the journey to the 'end times'. I wonder how many voted for Obama thinking that they were electing the anti-christ for that purpose.

Kate CP - posted on 09/08/2010

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The very sad thing is I know people who are all for this. *sigh* Sometimes living in Texas isn't all that great. :(

Dana - posted on 09/08/2010

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I deleted mine too, now I'll have to delete this too....vicious cycle.

Sara - posted on 09/08/2010

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This situation seems fitting for one of my favorite Kurt Vonnegut quotes: "Oh, the complicated futility of ignorance".

Jenny - posted on 09/08/2010

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It feels to me like the zealots are trying to bring the end times around sooner rather than later. They know damn well it will result in violence and that is exactly what they want. I think we should just fire them up to space and leave them there. They'll be closer to heavan so that should make 'em happy.

Dana - posted on 09/08/2010

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I don't know, Cathy....it's illegal for anyone to burn anything other than small twigs in a small fire in that town. As soon as he tries to burn the books, they're going to arrest him. All it's going to take is that one photo of him laying flame to the Qur'an to spread anger around the world. So he's not technically going to be able to burn them but, the image will be there because of the photographers crawling all over each other for that one shot.

Alison - posted on 09/08/2010

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This man needs a good smack in the head!

@Tawny: too funny!
@Krista: Thanks for teaching me a new word (jingoism)

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The media can't be avoided. Even if the media weren't allowing him airtime, Muslims would still hear about it. It would still be news regardless.

Dana - posted on 09/08/2010

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So does the media have any blame in this for blowing it up into international news and giving this guy actual air time?

Krista - posted on 09/08/2010

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That's what pisses me off, Cathy. People like that tend to always go on about supporting the troops, and they're patriotic to the point of jingoism. And yet, they have no qualms about an action that would OBVIOUSLY have serious and direct repercussions for American troops and for America in general. You think that the image of burning Qu'rans isn't going to be used as a fantastic recruiting tool for Al-Qaeda?

LaCi - posted on 09/08/2010

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I don't care what people burn. Burn flags, books, crosses, whatever. What bothers me is the fact that this guy's perpetuating the stereotype that islam is the reason terrorists do their thing, and the fact that, being a religious figure himself, he knows how it will make the local followers feel. If it were here I'd burn a bible for every single one he set on fire, and I throw the flaming ball of trash at him.

Isobel - posted on 09/07/2010

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it's also scheduled for September 11, which just so happens to be Eid. :(

Rosie - posted on 09/07/2010

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how is it NOT a hate crime? if it were bibles instead of the quran christians would be screaming. i don't get this damn country and all of its idiocy. oh the irony kills me as well-religious tolerance my ass.

Iris - posted on 09/07/2010

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Tawny, the good thing is that this guy only speaks for few idiots out there. The bad thing is that he's on tv and therefore sounds like he's representing American views. Lets hope the rest of the world is smarter than this idiot and realizes that he and his idiot friends are the odd ones out.

Tawny - posted on 09/07/2010

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That is so pathetic.. people are so stupid they say they are religious but turn around and say that they are going to burn it to the ground. Okay can you really make religion look even more stupid and now they are really giving people who dont trust religions a reason not to and what they been saying just shows the truth. I dont get it seriously people are so stupid, now it just shows how ignorant americans are.

Barbara - posted on 09/07/2010

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I wonder how he would feel about International Burn a Handlebar Moustache Day. "We're not trying to offend all people with handlebar moustaches, we're just sending a message to all the intolerant wearers of handlebar moustaches. Other moustache wearers should be on our side."

Krista - posted on 09/07/2010

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"we need to show them how we feel about extremists"

The irony...it burns.

Kat - posted on 09/07/2010

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i have nothing to say about this except it's such a bad idea. what are they thinking? i saw this on the news this morning and the guy was like "we need to show them how we feel about extremists" or something.

Krista - posted on 09/07/2010

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Bunch of frigging idiots. The only bright spot in this is this:

Other religious organizations have joined with U.S. Muslim groups to oppose the Quran-burning. The National Association of Evangelicals is urging the church to cancel the event, warning it could cause worldwide tension between the two religions, and Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Hindu leaders in Gainesville have organized a "Gathering for Peace, Understanding and Hope" the night before the scheduled Quran burning.

Maybe someone taking it too damn far will make people realize how ugly they're being.

Dana - posted on 09/07/2010

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Oy this guy kills me when he calls them mOslims. Anyhow, now Muslims are sooner or later trying to "institute Sharia law", in America? So disappointing.

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