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Amie - posted on 09/20/2009 ( 21 moms have responded )

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Election averted as Tories survive crucial vote

Updated Fri. Sep. 18 2009 4:15 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

The Conservative government has successfully passed a ways-and-means budget motion that will avert an election in the short-term and pave the way for the implementation of the long-awaited Home Renovation Tax Credit among other measures.

The motion passed in the House of Commons Friday morning with the support of Bloc and NDP members, marking the first time that Jack Layton's party supported the Conservatives since the election last fall. The final tally was 224 to 74.

Because the vote was also a confidence matter, it could potentially have triggered an election if it wasn't passed. The two opposition parties that supported the motion had previously signalled that they would vote in favour of it, while Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has said his party will no longer prop up the government.

Following the vote, Ignatieff spoke briefly to reporters.

"My sense is the question is: Is this government good enough? Yes or no? I've said no and now my job is to present Canadians with a clear alternative," he said.

The $3 billion Home Renovation Tax Credit was introduced at the start of the year, as an incentive that the government hoped would help stimulate the Canadian economy during the early days of the recession.

Many Canadians completed home renovations this summer with the expectation of using the tax credit to help defray the costs -- though it still has yet to be passed in the House of Commons.

It allows homeowners to receive a non-refundable tax credit worth up to $1,350, depending on the expenses associated with eligible renovations or improvements made after Jan. 27, 2009 and before Feb. 1, 2010.

The renovations must be worth more than $1,000, but not more than $10,000, in order to qualify for the tax credit. Homeowners are required to provide receipts and appropriate documentation in order to claim it.

EI debate

Meanwhile, a debate is raging in Ottawa as to whether a proposed set of employment insurance reforms should be fast-tracked through the legislative process.

The Conservatives want to offer extended employment insurance to some 190,000 long-term workers. The bill would cost up to $1 billion to implement, if approved in the House of Commons.

The opposition parties have a variety of opinions on the bill.

NDP leader Jack Layton has said the bill needs to be carefully reviewed, but also that his party will support the government until the EI reforms can be implemented.

The Liberals and the Bloc, however, want the process to move ahead more quickly.

The Bloc want to skip a parliamentary debate, so that the bill can be sent to a Commons committee for examination.

The Liberals want the bill rushed through all stages of the legislative process, so that it can be approved by the Senate before the first week of next month -- when the party intends to introduce a motion of non-confidence against the government.

"We don't want to give Mr. Layton any alibis," Ignatieff said Thursday, when explaining his party's position on the matter.

With files from The Canadian Press

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st...

Been a busy few days here so I just noticed this now. Yay! Maybe Ignatieff will take the hint and go back to Harvard. Putz.

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Amie - posted on 09/23/2009

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To win a majority government any party needs half the seats plus one (155, 308 seats in total)

To win a minority government any party needs only more seats than other parties. The down fall with having a minority government though is they need the support of other parties to be stable. If no one supports them it is cause for a no confidence vote and another election can be called.



To win a seat each politician must win for their respective area. For my area the conservatives won the seat last go around.



Each province/territory has a different number of seats, depending on the population. Since the population shifts every 10 years the electoral boundaries change to accommodate this. As of the last census taking this is what each province/territory has in number of seats:

British Columbia - 36

Alberta - 28

Saskatchewan - 14

Manitoba - 14

Ontario - 106

Quebec - 75

New Brunswick - 10

Nova Scotia - 11

Prince Edward Island - 4

Newfoundland and Labrador - 7

Yukon Territory - 1

Northwest Territories – 1

Nunavut - 1



So for us it doesn't matter if in the end a certain party had the most votes, it depends on how many they got as to whether it's a minority or majority government.

Isobel - posted on 09/20/2009

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first...don't you feel like they keep telling us that we MIGHT vote soon? I keep hearing about it but I haven't been to the polls in ages.



second...i don't know if it's a typo but "marking the first time that Jack Layton's party supported the Conservatives since the election last fall." I don't think they supported the conservatives last fall (or any time lately, maybe ever) ;P



For our American Friends...in Canada, liberals are actually called liberals (their party colour is red, and they are probably "center left")...Conservatives are called conservatives (their party colour is blue and they are probably what Americans would consider "center right")

The NDP is our "hard left" party...they almost always support spending willy nilly, and socializing everything (you would think based on our posts that we would want this, but...surprisingly (and overwhelmingly) no.



we also have the green party...which is exactly what it sounds like (I think they generally get something like 3% of the population)



We do have our Kennedys...we can't wait for Trudeau's son to run for office...he will win by a landslide.



And...just as a funny side note, I used to live in an apartment building and one day the liberals were in the lobby trying to get in to canvas. I let them in and told my daughter that it was OK because they were wearing red...NEVER LET TH BLUE PEOPLE IN! My daughter still thinks the Blue people are actually bad people ;)...even though they were handing out gum on the street during the last election.

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Isobel - posted on 09/23/2009

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Last year (I think...there have been so many elections I cannot keep them straight), the leader of the Conservative party in Ontario, John Tory, came close to winning but lost in his own neighbourhood

Isobel - posted on 09/23/2009

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Blue Man Group :) I love them. I guess it's a little different here, cause even in a federal election, you're voting for you're local representative ( I know plenty of liberals who have voted conservative just cause they love their rep.

Laura - posted on 09/23/2009

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I love your evil blue guys comments. I'm envisioning the Blue Guy Band (is that even what they were called) remember them... blue from head to toe, going around not saying a word handing out propaganda and you shuffling your children along telling them not to look them in the eye. I guess the not liking the leader of your party is similar to us though too. The person who eventually wins the nomination may not be the one that most people like it seems like it's more about momentum, who's peeking at the right time and one slip up can really kill the momentum. Oh, don't forget the money thing. Whoever can finance a campaign, that will take you far.

Isobel - posted on 09/23/2009

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Quoting Laura:

Ah, so very helpful in understanding how much more complicated it is than I was thinking it was. It would be sooooo nice to have six week campaigns. So what happens when you like the party but not the leader, or vice versa? I quess that's a personal decision but then is that how a party wins but has a minority gov.? Is that like our electoral where you can win in the amount of states but you can lose in the popular vote? So a party can win the seat but....now what I was thinking doesn't make sense. I shouldn't make these comparisons, I'm just getting myself more confussed. I don't even know how you could respond to my dribble but I'm going to leave it. I'm going for a walk.


it's maddening!  I am clearly a liberal, though I often vote NDP (for reasons I stated above) but I'm not a fan of Ignatieff... I think he's the reason that the liberals won't win by a landslide...I got really excited when I thought the Liberals and the NDP were going to over throw the Conservatives (I thought that our politics would get interesting for once ;))...I think though that most of us still vote along party lines based on their history of policy making.  If not for Alberta, those evil Blue guys wouldn't stand a chance.

Laura - posted on 09/23/2009

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Thankyou Amie, got it now! hahaha yeah right. No it's very helpful, thanks for putting up with me.

Laura - posted on 09/23/2009

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Ah, so very helpful in understanding how much more complicated it is than I was thinking it was. It would be sooooo nice to have six week campaigns. So what happens when you like the party but not the leader, or vice versa? I quess that's a personal decision but then is that how a party wins but has a minority gov.? Is that like our electoral where you can win in the amount of states but you can lose in the popular vote? So a party can win the seat but....now what I was thinking doesn't make sense. I shouldn't make these comparisons, I'm just getting myself more confussed. I don't even know how you could respond to my dribble but I'm going to leave it. I'm going for a walk.

Amie - posted on 09/23/2009

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LOL! I always forget about the Governor General. =|

Jenny did you hear about Canada walking out during Ahmadinejad's speech during the UN general assembly today?

Jenny - posted on 09/23/2009

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The Governor General can dissolve parliament at any time. She is appointed by the Queen of England. Yes, England.



The conservatives will never will win a majority no matter how many elections they call and will probably end up losing seats for wasting so much money. I can't wait to not have to look at Harpers smug face anymore. But that won't happen till the Liberals ditch Iggy and put a real leader up to the plate. I've always been a Green Party supporter, they are starting to get enough attention now that hopefully the larger parties will adopt some of their ideas.



The Bloq should be dismantled they do not represent the entire country, I still don't understand why that's allowed.



Laura we don't currently have any set election dates but are trying to change that. And our campaigns only last about six weeks so we don't get sick of hearing about it lol.

Amie - posted on 09/23/2009

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Our government is not like yours. We elect a parliament not a person. We vote for parties. Which ever party gets elected in, the leader of that party becomes the PM. Depending on the seats won around the country it's either a majority or minority government.
The conservatives have been running on a minority government ever since they were elected. They called for more elections to try to win a majority but that didn't work.This last fiasco was the Liberal party trying to topple the government so they could get back in power. So the conservatives put forth their bill and if it didn't pass the vote of no confidence would have been there for the liberals to call an election. BUT the Blocand NDP voted with the conservatives so no election.
Make sense? LOL

Laura - posted on 09/23/2009

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Okay, I have a questions. I actually posted it earlier then thought it was stupid so I deleted it but now when Laura said she voted 4 times in the last 5 years I needed to ask my question. So, when the OP said that it was a confidence matter and could trigger an election if it wasn't passed does that mean that you would be able to vote out someone if you didn't like the way the voted on a single issue? I know you know our elections are regularly scheduled and that's it. I asume yours are also but do you get to throw in additional elections if it's called for? Or am I totally misunderstanding the whole thing?

Isobel - posted on 09/22/2009

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In Toronto, we call Alberta America ;)...think that'll bring some posts?

Amie - posted on 09/22/2009

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And I NEVER voted for the conservatives. The friggin farmers out here got sucked in by all their crap... esh

Isobel - posted on 09/22/2009

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Apparently I had my head up my arse...my boyfriend has corrected me...he says we have voted something like 4 times in the last 5 years...you guys over there in Alberta keep voting for those Bad Blue Guys...will you tell them to quit it?

I actually vote NDP usually- not cause I want them to win but because I think they are a good, moral opposition...and try to keep the needs of the people at the forefront

ME - posted on 09/21/2009

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Why's Saskatchewan so windy?



Because Alberta blows and Manitoba sucks. =P LOL!!!



LOL...we tell the exact same joke about Illinois, except of course It's Iowa that sucks and Indiana that blows!



I appreciate the info about Canada, we don't get much in our "world news" down here...

Amie - posted on 09/20/2009

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If you haven't been to the polls where you been? LOL! I remember all the voting and wasted tax dollars on it.

A lot of it used to be the conservatives trying to get a majority government. While they are climbing in the polls I don't see it ever happening. Too many Liberals are still thinking they can do a good job because Chretien did. Chretien is gone, he's the only Liberal I've ever supported. The green party... ya well don't know what to say. They are new compared to other parties and I keep reading their platforms. Only slightly different than the NDP... the Green party are farther left than the NDP is. I'm surprised more people don't see this when reading their platform. Taxation everywhere while trying to help the middle folk. I haven't been impressed yet.

I do support the NDP I always will. They've done a lot of good for Saskatchewan and could do a lot of good for Canada. Right now the conservatives are in office here and for once they seem to be doing a good job but they are being watched closely by the NDP. The opposition for our province. Brad Wall has pulled us through the recession quite well though. We are the only province that weathered it better than most. It even got international coverage because of it. I'm a die hard Saskatchewanian, I always will be.

Why's Saskatchewan so windy?

Because Alberta blows and Manitoba sucks. =P LOL!!!

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