CONCERNS FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS

Marne - posted on 09/26/2010 ( 105 moms have responded )

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Find your local 912 project group in your area. WE SURROUND THEM, YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN YOUR CONCERNS FOR OUR COUNTRY. MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
The 912 Project
www.the912project.com

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Kate CP - posted on 09/26/2010

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Woah. Back it up. FDR pulled us out of a depression, unified the country, helped start the March Of Dimes, FOUGHT communism, integrated in the war-time factories, created new jobs, AND donated MILLIONS of dollars and time to find a cure/treatment/vaccine for polio. But that's BAD?!

Progress is BAD?! We lose freedoms like the freedom to marry who we want whether we are gay or not; we lose the right to serve our country even if we're openly gay; we lose the right to free healthcare when every other developed country has free healthcare; we lose the right to our privacy because of the Patriot Act...yes, I'm pissed about all that. Oh wait, CONSERVATIVES did that!

www.theblaze.com is run by Glen frickin' Beck. Anything that comes out of that man's mouth or from his deranged mind is utter nonsense and complete right-wing drivel. I have NO patience for Tea Partiers who throw money at people with parkinson's because they feel they should be able to pay for medical expenses themselves OR who scream racial slurs at CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS!!!

Krista - posted on 09/28/2010

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We want to Keep GOD in our Constitution, we want accountability and limited government. All the proposed policies should be based around these CORE principles and values of our founding fathers and constitution. Government and our country has lost site of our precious liberty that we need to fight for every day as citizens of America.

KEEP God in the Constitution??!?!? God ISN'T IN THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE! You folks want to INSERT him in there, when the Founding Fathers stated VERY, VERY clearly that the government would pass no law respecting the establishment of a religion.

The Tea Party doesn't give rat's ass about the Constitution, or they would NEVER say something like that. And that's what bothers me most about the Tea Party -- they are dishonest. They claim that they want to uphold the Constitution, but by their words and their deeds, they show very clearly that they want to destroy it and everything it stands for.

All the proposed policies should be based around these CORE principles and values of our founding fathers and constitution.

WHAT proposed policies?!?!? I have YET to see anything resembling a proposed policy from the Tea Party. It's not even on their official web site. All I see is a bunch of the same old rhetoric about values and liberty.

So, I will challenge you now: please explain to us EXACTLY what the Tea Party envisions for America. Can the rhetoric -- I want details. What would you like to see privatized? What laws would you put in place and what laws would you rescind? You want God in the Constitution -- how do you see that playing out, specifically?

Kate CP - posted on 09/28/2010

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*bangs head on desk* God was never in the constitution. American government was founded on the LACK of religion for a frickin' reason, people.

Marne: So you're saying that because Glenn Beck admitted on a liberal TV show that he doesn't check facts that his statement is invalid? What, do you think they tortured him into saying something false? If he didn't WANT to be on the show, he could have declined the invitation. How does it being on a "liberal program" have anything to do with the validity of the statement?

I would LOVE to take the country back to more prosperous times: when the richest of the rich had the highest taxes and the lower and middle classes had the lowest taxes. But that was also during segregation, abortion was illegal (as was the birth control pill), women's equality was a joke, and "duck and cover" was a favorite schoolyard rhyme. Sometimes things need to change, to PROGRESS (oh GOD, not PROGRESSION!) for things to get better. I have NO problem with higher taxes for the wealthy: they can frickin' afford it; *I* can't.

The man with parkinson's was there to "infiltrate"? Is this a top secret government conspiracy and the dude with a crippling disease is a spy? He was protesting! He had every right to be there and protest just like the Tea Party did.

Jenny - posted on 09/28/2010

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How are you gonna pay for that bloated miltary you have if you cut taxes? Cut education even more? Lay off more police officers? Close some more libraries?

Krista - posted on 09/28/2010

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Well, for starters on Beck's lies, he did tell Bill O'Reilly that under the new healthcare reform, that people who refused to buy health insurance would go to jail. Yep, that was a lie. I could post all of his lies, but who has the time? However, there's a handy little spreadsheet here:
http://glennbeckreport.com/glenn-beck-li...

Happy reading!

This is outrageous and I've never seen anything like this at any events I've been at. Lets see a video shown by a regular person like us and not some progressive media outlet that plants someone there and waits for some rage and intimidation.

So because you've never seen it personally, it doesn't exist, and is just some liberal conspiracy? You asked us for proof of racism at Tea Party rallies. We gave it to you, and now you're saying it's not valid proof because it didn't come from somebody like you? That's adorable how quickly you moved those goalposts. Do you honestly think that someone "like you" would even take (let alone release) a video showing the ugly underbelly of their beloved Tea Party? Pull the other one. If a media outlet doesn't paint the Tea Party rallies as all sunshine and roses, it might not be because it's biased and liberal -- it might very well be because the Tea Party rallies AREN'T all sunshine and roses.

So you ask for proof, we show you freaking VIDEO proof of Tea Partiers mocking a Parkinson's victim, and now you refuse to accept it as proof because you just don't like what you see. Well, too bad.

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Isobel - posted on 10/12/2010

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because nothing has changed other than the race of the president...he is NO different from any other president you have EVER had...the bailouts were Bush's so you can't even say that all those make him some radical communist. THAT'S why it appears from the outside that a certain amount of this LUNACY is caused by his race...cause nothing else has changed.

he's not even really a liberal...he's a centrist. and the reason he's losing popularity is that the liberals who voted for him are learning that he didn't really change as much as he promised.

Do you even hear that? that the rest of the world thinks he's business as usual, while a fringe group of nutters think he's plotting some crazy take over...ugh.

Marne - posted on 10/11/2010

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I didn't consider it a joke. Mostly because anyone calling it a racial issue is the typical comment when we question our administration with boldness.

Dana - posted on 10/11/2010

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Ah, yes, skip over anything I said and pick out that Kate made a joke. Typical.

Marne - posted on 10/10/2010

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This is not just about Obama, its non-partisan..its about deception and lies told to us by our American government.

Marne - posted on 10/10/2010

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Race has nothing to do with it and most of us have relatives that are black. Too bad you have to use language to ridicule.

Kate CP - posted on 10/10/2010

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Dana: It's because there's a scary black man in charge of the country. *eye roll* :/

Dana - posted on 10/10/2010

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OMG, I skimmed through. These people are crazier and crazier as time goes on. I wonder how many of them have been in the loony bin, are they all on medication? What the hell is going on with all of you nut jobs????

Dana - posted on 10/10/2010

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I'm sorry but, I'm not going to read such drivel when the first thing is President Obama next to Mussolini in what is supposed to be a similar pose, even though it's not. How fucking stupid is that. Do you people ever come up for air?

Dana - posted on 10/10/2010

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Um, nah, it's safe to say he's an idiot. Anyone who has chosen to drink themselves into an addiction or called the wife of a radio rival to ridicule her on a recent miscarriage is an idiot. But you go on ahead and defend the immoral bastard. ;)

Marne - posted on 10/10/2010

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Dana, unless you know a contact that knows him personally...no one can say he's an idiot. No one really knows a person unless your around him 24/7 or close to it.



Name calling just discredits what people say about him.

Isobel - posted on 10/08/2010

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and the fact that he appeals to SO many people scares the crap out of me :(

Dana - posted on 10/08/2010

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Exactly Sara. I suppose we just need to wait until Glenn has his falafel moment.

Sara - posted on 10/08/2010

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It's all relative, Mary. I get the feeling that Bill doesn't take himself so seriously, that's what I've come to "like" about him.

Dana - posted on 10/08/2010

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No kidding, Sara, I love how Bill O'Reilly has become "tolerable". Who would have thought 2-3 yrs ago we would have felt this way. :|

Sara - posted on 10/08/2010

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Marne, it's rather insulting that you just assume we have no idea what we're talking about when you are the one spouting off all the rhetoric ("Obamacare") that you've no doubt picked up from watching his shows. I've watched Glenn Beck's shows (I watch Fox a lot actually) and I think he's a snake oil salesman. So, good luck with that.

I think for me, the one positive thing that's happened, is that since Glenn Beck came along, I like Bill O'Reilly a lot more. Glenn has really put things into perspective for me. Thanks Glenn!

Dana - posted on 10/08/2010

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Marne I have listened to his shows, several times. It's how I know he's full of shit. Most people who actually know who he is, know he's an idiot.

Marne - posted on 10/07/2010

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If people in this discussion really have an open mind..then try to just 'honestly listen' once or twice to one or two of his shows. How can it hurt anyway if your claiming to be the 'sane' ones? It doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says..question with boldness as people should do with anyone presenting facts and opinions. "Do your own homework" as Glenn says.."don't take my word for it".

Here's just a little sample of Common Sense for parents to acknowledge..Glenn shows that several insurance companies are beginning to opt out of the 'new child only policy' having to do with the Obamacare law starting to move America to a 'single payer system'. (Its a FACT, do your own homework) http://www.glennbeck.com/content/videos/...

Marne - posted on 10/07/2010

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I totally agree with the exposing our kids to different world's religions, but the teachers/chaparones should have told the children ahead of time 'we are only here to observe and not partake in the prayer or service' . As soon as they realized what was happening they should not have let the group be 'separated into males/females'. (Either that or leave the tour at that point). If the public schools are in fact trying to keep prayer out of politics and schools, then why are they visiting religious temples? Doesn't make much sense.

I expose and welcome my children to learning different religions. I don't oppose muslim religion, just don't impose it on children when the parents aren't present; permission slip or not!

So tell us what you don't like about the administration. Please vent...

Dana - posted on 10/07/2010

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I know, and then they accuse us of thinking he's God or one step below. It's ridiculous.

Isobel - posted on 10/07/2010

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yeah...I wouldn't want my kids school allowing them to pray ANYWHERE...not mosques, not churches...though I suppose I can't stop the inevitable before exams ;P

That's the thing though...I actually agree with the basic complaint...but they've filled it up with so much garbage that we CAN'T agree with it because we're so busy telling them they're acting crazy.

It's like how they talk about Obama...I have plenty of complaints and things I don't like about him, same as all the other lefties here. We never get a chance to say that though, because we're too busy dispelling all the lies and craziness.

Dana - posted on 10/07/2010

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What a shame. I know as I child, I would have loved to learn how another religion prays. Although I suppose if we're expected to keep all religion out of schools (and that includes field trips) then they're right.

Isobel - posted on 10/07/2010

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Wellesley School Superintendent Bella Wong said that allowing the children to participate in the prayer service was ‘‘a mistake,’’ and apologized to parents in a letter.

Five middle schoolers participated in the Muslim midday prayer at the mosque, she said. Some can be seen in the video imitating some of the prayer movements.

‘‘It was not the intent for students to be able to participate in any of the religious practices,’’ Wong said. ‘‘The fact that any students were allowed to do so in this case was an error.’’

No one at the mosque asked the Wellesley students to participate in the prayers, said Bilal Kaleem, president of the Muslim American Society of Boston, which manages and runs the cultural center.

‘‘Certainly in our tours we do not invite kids to take part, but if someone wants to come pray and take part, we shouldn’t prevent them,’’ said Kaleem. ‘‘It’s more an issue with the school.’’

He said the cultural center holds numerous tours, and that Wellesley educators had set up the field trip.

Wong said the mosque visit took place as part of the sixth grade social studies course, ‘‘Enduring Beliefs in the World Today,’’ which includes segments on Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam. As part of the class, students also visit a synagogue, a gospel musical performance, and meet with Hindu religious representatives, she said.

‘‘I extend my sincere apologies for the error that occurred and regret the offense it may have caused,’’ Wong said in the letter to parents.

In the future, Wong wrote, teachers will provide ‘‘more clear guidance to students to better define what is allowed to fulfill the purpose of observation.’’

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You would not believe how much garbage I had to wade through to find an ACTUAL article about this event.

Dana - posted on 10/07/2010

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You mean our children aren't being indoctrinated with Muslim ideals? Damn it, what else can I bitch about...

Krista - posted on 10/07/2010

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Hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good freakout about Muslims, right?

Jenny - posted on 10/07/2010

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Because the Muslims are taking over our country sounds scarier I guess.

Jenny - posted on 10/07/2010

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Actually, my understanding of the feild trip is it was a religious studies class and they also visited a church and mosque on different occasions. It is also important to note that all of the children on that trip had signed consent forms. The parents knew exactly where the kids were going.

Kate CP - posted on 10/07/2010

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No, Marne, I just can't follow your logic or reasoning. They went to a mosque. If they had gone to a church (and who's to say they weren't allowed to go to a church??) then I would have expected them to participate in mass. I don't WANT Christianity or any other religion to dominate our schools and I'm a Christian! You can have an upstanding moral code and ethics WITHOUT calling God into the equation. It's called being a good human being. In recent centuries people have replaced the words "human being" with Christian. And what I find absolutely abhorrent is the people who start sentences with "I'm a good Christian, BUT..." If you're a good Christian that means you follow Christ's teachings of tolerance, forgiveness, and gentle guidance. NOT berating, belittling, and scolding those who don't believe exactly what you believe. This is why Christ and God are not in our judicial or public school systems: people confuse good morals with being a good Christian. Just because a person isn't Christian doesn't mean they're a bad person and that's something I think you need to come to terms with.

Dana - posted on 10/07/2010

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JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT AMERICA TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT SHOULD BE OR HAS BEEN ONE!!!! If you don't like it, go start your own country somewhere else!!!

Krista - posted on 10/07/2010

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The pink boxing gloves were an inside joke, as things CAN get rather heated here.

And I pose this question to you: if Christianity was so all-important to the Founding Fathers, then why, pray tell, did they not see fit to implement it in the Constitution?

The bible was never IN the framework to begin with. In fact, it was left out quite deliberately. It is only people like yourself who keep trying to revise history, and who keep insisting that America was founded on the basis of Christianity, when no such thing is true.

If you want America to be a Christian nation, then that's your prerogative, but this constant twisting of historical facts does NOT reflect well upon your cause or your argument.

Marne - posted on 10/06/2010

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Please try to calm down. Remember this is a mom's forum for discussions and not yelling, arguing or cutting people down with name calling, or to belittle anyone. etc.. (Although you have pink boxing gloves as the avatar picture so maybe this group was intended to promote anger and argument).



You mean you can't follow me on the Christian basis of politics? Big Government and Supreme court are the ones that took the bible out of our framework.



Its not a tangent. I just decided to put it into several posts instead of one huge one. I like to reference to things I post, thats all. :) Just make it easier and click on the link that says '10 truths about Christians & Politics' instead of reading the 3 different postings.



The point of the video is you don't see any public school allowing to take a tour or a field trip to a christian place of prayer. Not only this, they HAD the students participate in the praise/prayer and didn't state this in the permission slip for the parents to allow it. Only to OBSERVE a mass that may take place.



Are you in denial about indoctrination of the youth? A public school allows a field trip to a Mosque, but they won't allow high school students to use their christian family church's community service towards volunteer hours for graduation? You still ask what's wrong with this ?

Marne - posted on 10/06/2010

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TRUTH - The Foundation of Government and Politics Is Religion
http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10Truths...
“Strictly separate.” When it comes to religion and politics, that is the rule announced by the courts and enforced by the American Civil Liberties Union over the past sixty years.

In 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed a longstanding American legal tradition and declared that the U.S. Constitution has erected a “high and impregnable” wall of separation between church and state. The ACLU then set out to apply that ruling in the decades to follow, sending threatening letters and going into court to force civic officials to remove Ten Commandments displays, crèche scenes, the Bible, and even prayer from public life.

But while the ACLU has been tireless in its efforts to purge the Christian religion from public life, the truth is, religion is the foundation on which nations are built. And although ACLU attorneys may shudder at the thought, the Christian religion provides the surest foundation for the moral, political, and social order of any nation.

The importance of religion in providing the necessary foundation for any social order has been noted by acclaimed historians Will and Ariel Durant, who acknowledged in 1968 that “there is no significant example in history before our time of a society successfully maintaining moral life without the aid of religion.” Every government needs a moral code to justify and legitimize its rule, and every lasting moral system must rest on religion—which answers the ultimate questions about man and God. Without religion to breathe life and meaning into any legal-political system, the options are either anarchy or tyranny.

Marne - posted on 10/06/2010

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TRUTH: Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious People



“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.”



With these sober words, President John Adams warned that the U.S. Constitution will not be able to sustain our liberties if the American people abandon virtue and religion. Adams stated:

"Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."



John Adams was not alone in his opinion. This view was widely held by our Founding Fathers.



William Paterson, a signer of the Constitution from New Jersey, was appointed by George Washington to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court. He, too, understood the importance of promoting religion among the citizenry. “Religion and

morality are necessary to good government, good order, and good laws,” he wrote, “for when the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice.”



http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10Truths...

Kate CP - posted on 10/06/2010

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They went on a frickin' FIELD TRIP!!! If they went on a field trip to a catholic church I would expect them to take part in mass! What the hell was your point?!

Marne - posted on 10/06/2010

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You may find this interesting about religion entering the public and charter schools in Mass.



Wellesley, Massachusetts Public School Students Learn to Pray to Allah..You would NEVER see this for Christians.





In late May of 2010, Wellesley, Massachusetts public middle school students took a field trip to the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center - a controversial Saudi-funded mega-mosque run by the Muslim American Society of Boston. There, the students were separated by gender and the boys were asked to praise Allah.

Jenny - posted on 10/06/2010

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Article 11 in the Treaty of Tripoli speifically states:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

It passed UNANIMOUSLY and was published in every major newspaper. It had public, as well as government, support.

Kate CP - posted on 10/06/2010

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"please show me facts that tell me which part is incorrect on the history of our founders?"



No problem!



God is not in the constitution: It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States. (from http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.h...)



Nor were they seriously "Christians" for the most part. http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfa...



God was removed from our judicial and public school system for a reason: NOT EVERY BODY IS FRICKIN' CHRISTIAN!!!!!!





Edited to add: You do realize, Marne, that just about every link you reference us to is from theblaze.com which is a notoriously right-wing, ultra-conservative website run by Glenn Beck?

Marne - posted on 10/06/2010

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I've told you I am not a member of the so called 'tea party' name, we are citizens who assemble together in this peace 'movement'. We have the freedom to speak out and question with boldness. We have the right to go before the king and say "you do wrong" .
Chris Christie: It’s Put Up or Shut Up Time for GOP
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chris-ch...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blaze-mi...
Is the Tea Party Too Religious?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-t...

Marne - posted on 10/06/2010

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please show me facts that tell me which part is incorrect on the history of our founders?

Kate CP - posted on 10/04/2010

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Marne: Did you pay attention in history class or were you just goofing off?

Krista - posted on 10/04/2010

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So, uh Marne...still working on that list of proposed Tea Party policies to show us, are you?

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