Congrats to our president!

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

and I think it takes more than ten months to set up a system to try hundreds of prisoners for terrorism...(exactly where are they going to find a jury?)

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting dana:

I think it was because of those plants we lost power her for 2-3 days (most of the eastern seaboard) I could be wrong. I just remember them trying to figure out if it was there or here, I don't remember the out come. I was just happy to have power again.

Anyways, Christa I do understand where you are coming from. I detest what was done at Gitmo but, it was another promise I don't think Obama can keep. That being said, You said,"These men killed 3000 people who were just going to work, they lost any respect as a human when they treated us that way." That isn't true, alot of those kept at Gitmo haven't had a trial and alot of them are innocent men too. I'm not saying all of them but, some of them. We won't know until they go to trial or someone trust worthy can actually tell us what they have done.

 

I do understand that some innocent men might be kept there and I don't know what the right answer is for that.  But how do you hold a man to trial when much of the evidence is in some cave somewhere or on a battlefield.  I know that our military has people whose job it is to collect evidence, but really they aren't dealing with typical crimes scenes.  Personally I would rather an innocent man be held against his will, then accidentally let out a terrorist who is then going to kill many more innocent people.  It's not like we a just rounding up anyone who "looks like a terrorist", the men in there gave us SOME reason to think they are a terrorist.  Again there's that whole guilty by association thing.  I don't know what the perfect solution is, obviously nobody does, which is why we are at a stalemate on this issue. 

who was it again who said that 4 guilty men should go free before one innocent man enslaved?  Oh right.,..it was God.  Being from the middle east was reason enough to lock someone up right after 9/11.

Theresa - posted on 10/13/2009

I think the only reason Obama hasn't released these prisoners is because it's not safe to do so. Maybe if they were released years ago, after they were found not to be terriosts, they would be fine. After being tortured and held without a trial for years, unfortunately has only produced new recruits for al queda.



Would you love a country that jailed you and kept you away from your family for years or would you vow revenge with every last breath? These prisoners cannot be released. Obama knows that now but because of national security cannot say so.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

Quoting Christa:

I don't care where you get your news. My point was the military is going to have more information then what is released to the media. If these people were SOO innocent don't you think Obama would have set them free by now. Don't you think he would be able to get the information to congress and get those innocent people released? Now that he has all the details that GW had, maybe he's starting to understand why some of those decisions were made. I don't really know, because like I said there is information the military has that we don't and I trust our military.

Cathy, I'm glad that's what you all have decided is right for you, but we left Britain for a reason. ;-) I don't know how your processes work over there so I won't judge them.

Yes, you would think he would release them or press charges, but he hasn't. That's the whole problem.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

Quoting Christa:

I trust the judgment of our military, if they put them there, they had a reason. You nor I have all the details and what gets spun by the liberal media hardly counts as facts.

And how exactly do you know where my news comes from? I've been very vocal in my distrust of the mainstream media. If it's corporate owned, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Cathy - posted on 10/13/2009

The UK was attacked ... we understand fear. They bombed the London transport system while everyone was on their way to work. As part of our anti terrorist act, they wanted to hold terror suspects for 90 days .... even that was considered a violation of human rights. The maximum anyone can be detained is 28 days but it is rare that anyone is held for more than 14 without charge.

Dana - posted on 10/13/2009

Alright, now we're regressing..

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

Not all of them have reasons to be there, many were in the wrong place at the wrong like the Canadian you are holding (without charges). When you throw human rights out the window they've already won. These are not the values your nation was founded on.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

Yes, that day was scary. I was with you that day too crying at the images I was seeing. However, it's time to move forward. Because of this event does the country just live in fear forever? Do you trample human rights forever because in 2001 some crazy people flew planes into buildings? Do you turn the nation into one giant panic room just in case? Shitty things happen in every country in the world, it is how you deal with them and heal that makes the difference.



BTW have you considered maybe there is a reason other nations don't want to blow us up?

Amie - posted on 10/13/2009

Quoting Christa:

Like I said I'm not worried about the ones we put in there, it's the ones that are going to be mad they are there. If they attack Gitmo the only people they hurt are their own and some military. That's not how they work they want to his us at home, so that all Americans will be scared to leave their houses. You can say that the fear is unfounded, but you've never had to deal with this kind of threat. You didn't share the same fear the rest of us did on 9/11 when we weren't sure if they were done attacking or where they would attack next. You don't have to worry about it up there, because lets face it the chances of them attacking Canada are slim to none. Like you said everybody likes you. And I'm sorry but the human rights thing means nothing to me. These men killed 3000 people who were just going to work, they lost any respect as a human when they treated us that way. Like you said guilty by association. To clarify, I'm not condoning treating these men poorly, but keeping them locked up I have no problem with.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nati...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st...

Yes we do.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

For sure, how do they know they are even getting true information? If you torture me I'd be confessing to every crime ever committed to get them to stop! I shot JFK, let me go!

Dana - posted on 10/13/2009

Oh, I also forgot. If you have no evidence then you have no evidence. It's cut and dry. The ideal situation would be to keep Gitmo open, stop the torture and bring them all to trial quickly with real evidence, if you don't have it then let them go. We've had 8 yrs to find it, come on now. We could of done this a LONG time ago if people would quit messing around and torturing them and get on with it.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

I honestly would not care. The fear is unfounded. They have been trying to build a prison in my city for years and I fully support it.

Dana - posted on 10/13/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting dana:

I think it was because of those plants we lost power her for 2-3 days (most of the eastern seaboard) I could be wrong. I just remember them trying to figure out if it was there or here, I don't remember the out come. I was just happy to have power again.

Anyways, Christa I do understand where you are coming from. I detest what was done at Gitmo but, it was another promise I don't think Obama can keep. That being said, You said,"These men killed 3000 people who were just going to work, they lost any respect as a human when they treated us that way." That isn't true, alot of those kept at Gitmo haven't had a trial and alot of them are innocent men too. I'm not saying all of them but, some of them. We won't know until they go to trial or someone trust worthy can actually tell us what they have done.

 

I do understand that some innocent men might be kept there and I don't know what the right answer is for that.  But how do you hold a man to trial when much of the evidence is in some cave somewhere or on a battlefield.  I know that our military has people whose job it is to collect evidence, but really they aren't dealing with typical crimes scenes.  Personally I would rather an innocent man be held against his will, then accidentally let out a terrorist who is then going to kill many more innocent people. I just can't respect that statment at all.  Sorry.  It's not like we a just rounding up anyone who "looks like a terrorist", the men in there gave us SOME reason to think they are a terrorist. We did though, plenty of them.  Maybe you should look more into it then. Again there's that whole guilty by association thing.  I don't know what the perfect solution is, obviously nobody does, which is why we are at a stalemate on this issue. 

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

I doubt anyone is getting in either. I'm sure many people in these facilities have people on the outside with a lot more resources already in your country than the Gitmo detainees do. Many of these criminal organisations already have helicopters, planes, bombs, arms of course. Some of them even have military training. You name it, it's already there.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2009

They are humans, not superheroes. A super max prison would hold them fine. They hold the worst of the worst of the Americans do they not?

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

No, I'm pretty sure that was some colossal wiring mess up...one generator overloaded, then tripped all the others along the way...the nuclear power plants are just fine (I hope) :P

Dana - posted on 10/13/2009

I think it was because of those plants we lost power her for 2-3 days (most of the eastern seaboard) I could be wrong. I just remember them trying to figure out if it was there or here, I don't remember the out come. I was just happy to have power again.



Anyways, Christa I do understand where you are coming from. I detest what was done at Gitmo but, it was another promise I don't think Obama can keep. That being said, You said,"These men killed 3000 people who were just going to work, they lost any respect as a human when they treated us that way." That isn't true, alot of those kept at Gitmo haven't had a trial and alot of them are innocent men too. I'm not saying all of them but, some of them. We won't know until they go to trial or someone trust worthy can actually tell us what they have done.

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

actually...we have two nuclear plants (side by side) that power your entire eastern seaboard that have been long suspected as targets.



you are right though, I wan't there, I cannot share the same sense of fear, but I was glued to my television for weeks, being scared for you. We can spew all the anti-American crap that we like but when it comes down to it...my brother-in-law was supposed to have a business meeting in the towers THAT DAY.



I think that over coming that fear and insisting on upholding the rights that Americans hold so dear is the ultimate victory...don't let them scare you into becoming a lesser person.

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

all I'm saying is that Super Maxes are crazy, super lock down, heavy duty facilities. I don't see the issue with sending one or two gitmo detainees to each super-max (if they are found guilty in a court of law)...I understand the fear, I really do, I just think that it's unfounded, and that the human rights that Americans hold so dear should trump that fear.

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

hey, If I had a super-max near my house, you could send 'em all...have you seen the lunatics they lock up there? terrorists will blow up a building, but some of those criminals will do far worse to you and your kids.

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

AFTER they have stood trial

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

I really don't see what the issue is with where to put terrorists...what's wrong with a good, old-fashioned super-max?

Dana - posted on 10/13/2009

Quoting Traci:

Dang! I hate when I accidently mark something that I didn't mean to!

Let's just say, for the rec'd, that Obama didn't end so called "torture." This "torture" we speak of was ended long before he was even nominated for the democrat ticket. Puh-lease stop giving the man credit for stuff he hasn't even done! urgh.

Those gitmo detainees live better than our prisoners do here, so cry me a river. They GAIN weight while in US custody....the fools eat better under our care and recieve better treatment than they would had they stayed in their home countries and lived out their lives as regular citizens. So BOO friggin' HOO! If it were up to me, it would be no holds barred down there....oh yeah....there' d be no rules such as the "unclean" nonbelievers having to handle their Korans with latex gloves....they'd be lucky to get a book! Unreal.

This is why we will lose the war on terror. It's not because we can't kick everyone's ass in the world. If our boys were allowed to, we'd have any and all terrorists annhiliated! No big deal. It's these whiny liberal lawyers....and all their BS.

Bush had almost 8 yrs of fighting the war on terror with hardly any rules at all.  Trying to blame whiny liberal lawyers for Bush's mess up is pricless, a typical republican tactic. 

And to say that the gitmo detainees live better than our prisoners do here only shows how little you actually know about what you are discussing. 

Isobel - posted on 10/13/2009

The reason you are not going to win the war on terror Traci, is because terror is not an enemy, it's a tactic. A TACTIC often employed by EVERY country involved in warfare (including America). It is an idiotic turn of phrase created by GW's White House that makes NO sense. It is code for a war on Islaam extremism. Yes, of course Gitmo was a wonderful, idyllic vacation spa *insert eye rolling here*

I too believe that this award is a little premature, however, MLK is just one example of someone who got it for "making speeches and good intentions" There are more examples on the video that Jenny posted. The hate that has been spewed by right wing has been truly disturbing to me.

Johnny - posted on 10/12/2009

Wow. I really really hate to say this... but when did people start getting Nobel prizes for great speeches and intentions??? I am actually a big fan of Obama, and I would have loved to see him win the Nobel Peace Prize.... in the future. He has been the president for less than a year, has been extremely busy attempting to fix the economy and knock some sense into your healthcare situation, but he has not had the time to make a real difference to world peace. I think he is saying the right things and making the right diplomatic moves, but perhaps the timing is just a little off.

Two things about this really bug me, first, what about all the other great nominees that have done wonderful work over many years that deserved this award? Often, the Nobel prize shines the light on important work which is happening in the shadows and needs more support. Things like the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh and the political peace movement in Liberia which have been recognized in the past. Does Obama really need more attention (and much of it negative on the home front) in order to get his work accomplished? This prize could have been used to push an important cause to the forefront internationally, instead, it is becoming another liability for Obama in America. And could make his battles for more open diplomacy harder to wage.

Secondly, this year's Nobel Prize for Physics was given out to a trio of men (one a Canadian :)) who are considered the fathers of fiber optics and made their discoveries way back in the late 1960's. Now, I'm not suggesting that people should really have to wait 40 years to be recognized for good works, but awarding one prize to a proven useful and positive invention and another prize for the small potential of peace in the future just smacks of blatant politics, something I would like to see left out of the Nobel prize decisions.

And I think the rest of the world is not so crazily in love with Obama as we Canadians might be. Perhaps they are way up in Norway, but I think many people around the globe are waiting to see results rather than great speeches. I know those results are coming, but this award has really jumped the gun.

Traci - posted on 10/12/2009

Dang! I hate when I accidently mark something that I didn't mean to!



Let's just say, for the rec'd, that Obama didn't end so called "torture." This "torture" we speak of was ended long before he was even nominated for the democrat ticket. Puh-lease stop giving the man credit for stuff he hasn't even done! urgh.



Those gitmo detainees live better than our prisoners do here, so cry me a river. They GAIN weight while in US custody....the fools eat better under our care and recieve better treatment than they would had they stayed in their home countries and lived out their lives as regular citizens. So BOO friggin' HOO! If it were up to me, it would be no holds barred down there....oh yeah....there' d be no rules such as the "unclean" nonbelievers having to handle their Korans with latex gloves....they'd be lucky to get a book! Unreal.



This is why we will lose the war on terror. It's not because we can't kick everyone's ass in the world. If our boys were allowed to, we'd have any and all terrorists annhiliated! No big deal. It's these whiny liberal lawyers....and all their BS.

Dana - posted on 10/11/2009

I don't think the thread needs to be closed, we're all giving our opinion. Nothing wrong with that. It is a current issue that many have strong feelings on and people in the media continue to discuss.



What exact reasons do you have for thinking this should be locked?

Tawny - posted on 10/10/2009

I think this thread needs to be closed... lol.... I am not an Obama Hater I would feel the same way if good ol Bush was given this prize also. So he received the Nobel Peace Prize great we just need to go on from here and just pray that everything that Pres. Obama is doing goes well and America gets back on there feet.....

Dana - posted on 10/10/2009

Well, if anyone read my original post then they know how I feel or felt that morning when I found out. I just want to make it clear I DO NOT want to be lumped in with all the Anti-Obama nuts. At this point I can not believe what is being said, yes I do think it was soon, would I go shouting it into my mircrophone with disgust for the rest of the world to hear, NO. I'm sorry that at a time we SHOULD be proud, we have to hang our heads in shame and disgust because of loud mouth a**holes. It's absolutely sickening. Rush Limbaugh is the joke, he's made the Republican party a joke. The audacity of this man and he's now concerened with our President being a world wide joke? Why wasn't he saying this for the last 8 yrs. This is the first time in a long time the world DOESN'T view our President as a joke!!!



Thanks, Jenny for posting the clip. I haven't been paying attention to what everyone else is saying. I'm kinda wishing I was still in lala land with my son, playing. lol

Jeannette - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Laura:

Here's one that's gonna shock you...I believe that Obama is fiscally irresponsible.

I also believe that he's trying to change the world in a good way.

If I lived in America, I would have preferred Hillary Clinton. Don't assume you know anything about me other than what I've posted.

And since you appear to be really ANGRY at me in particular lately...I will very calmly remind you that living outside the United States allows us to see the forest instead of the trees. Living in America blinds you to the bigger picture of how the WHOLE WORLD works.

Your president has single handedly repaired America's image with the world, and although you guys don't think that matters, I assure you it does. It will keep you much safer than bombs.

You know, I just looked at Duke and said, "Laura Cooke is driving me nuts!",  no lie...he knows I'm on COM, so he doesnt know who you are. 

Okay, my apologies, I do seem to have a thorn for/from you.  I will try to keep that in check.

I think the world has single handedly handed Obama a torch that he has yet to earn.

I think the Nobel Peace Prize is now a political joke...hey, guess who's getting the Peach Prize....Not Bush! lol!  I don't care that Obama won the Peace Prize.

Honestly, I cannot say that clearly enough...the only reason I got irritated is because you replied to ME specifically to defend Obama's winning the NPP, when I don't care who EVER wins the NPP....no lie...I cannot tell you who has ever won the damn thing!  Because.....I don't care.  Maybe that is an award that means something to some people, but in my real life, it means nothing.  No one I know is ever nominated, no one I know would ever think they could be...so on and so forth. 

I know he won, great, move on!  I don't really think it needs to be a debate, though I have encouraged one...so, on that note...I'm off the debate

Laura, I don't hate you though, not that you care probably! lol!  But thanks for keeping me in check...if anything, I appreciate it more when people just come out and say it....chill Jeannette  Thanks!

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Here's one that's gonna shock you...I believe that Obama is fiscally irresponsible.

I also believe that he's trying to change the world in a good way.

If I lived in America, I would have preferred Hillary Clinton. Don't assume you know anything about me other than what I've posted.

And since you appear to be really ANGRY at me in particular lately...I will very calmly remind you that living outside the United States allows us to see the forest instead of the trees. Living in America blinds you to the bigger picture of how the WHOLE WORLD works.

Your president has single handedly repaired America's image with the world, and although you guys don't think that matters, I assure you it does. It will keep you much safer than bombs.

Jeannette - posted on 10/10/2009

Laura, I know you love Obama soooooo much that you think everything he does must be from the heart and downright F A B U L O U S! Maybe if you paid taxes here, you'd give a damn.

Anywho, he shut down Guantanamo....where did all those prisoners go? Including the ones we KNOW to be terrorists and supporters of America's demise. He deserves something...

Anywho, if I understand this correctly...the last 3 out of 4 winners were Bush opponents, either Sr or Jr...maybe narrowminded people think llittle things like: Yahoo, he's not Bush...maybe worldly thinking people are scratching their heads thinking: wtf? Surely SOMEONE has made greater strides than TARP or cash for clunkers?



edited for gross spelling error

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Anyway, he's already gotten the award for whatever, talking, shaking hands...whatever...moving on....closing torture chambers...giving prisoners due process...attempting peace...whatever...who really cares anyway?

Jeannette - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Ok let’s reverse this for a minute. Lets pretend they gave the NPP to Bush right of after 9/11, for unifying the country and bringing the world together to stop terrorism. About this time in his presidency that's how he was viewed. Now look at how he's viewed, good intentions can turn into a big mess. They should have waited until Obama's mark was on history before honoring him for it. What if his "peace talk" just results in Iran nuking the US, nobody is going to think he deserves the NPP then. Mistakes are made everyday "with good intentions".

Hahahaha!!!  So DAMN TRUE!!!!!  They can't think like that though...not that I've seen.  I heard one of the people that was up for the award was a man who built schools for girls. He built them because he believed that if we were to have peace, we have to educate women.  Where the hell are the feminists on this one???????????  (heads up Obama's ass again)  Anyway, he's already gotten the award for whatever, talking, shaking hands...whatever...moving on....

ME - posted on 10/10/2009

Thank you Rachel Maddow!!! And thank you Jenny for posting this...no one could say it any better!

Jenny - posted on 10/10/2009

ME - posted on 10/10/2009

I am thrilled that the international community recognizes the hard work Pres. Obama is doing to change US foriegn policy. I think he may be even more deserving of this award 3 years from now, but I am fine with him receiving it now as well. I think the hatred coming from the right just proves that NOTHING Obama does or acheives will ever be viewed as "good" and probably not even as "acceptable". You cannot argue with ignorance or hatred...and Beck and Limbaugh have made it clear that the right is NOT to congratulate our president for this recognition because THEY (see venom spewing radio hosts) are full of hatred and ignorance. If Bush (for some insane reason) had been granted such an international honor...anyone who reacted in surprise, dismay, or confusion would have been labled unpatriotic and unamerican...but I guess things have changed in this country...now you're unpatriotic and unamerican for SUPPORTING and being proud of your president when he does something great or receives global accolades! It is hard to understand why this is so controversial...but it does have me wondering whether SOUR GRAPES might actually taste wonderful...????

Jenny - posted on 10/10/2009

Well when you get to the point that you are incapable of giving a simple congratulations to the leader of the country you're so "proud" of for an award for frickin peace what hope do you have left?

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

That's an interesting idea...I think America should separate from Texas...and then send all of their republicans there. win win situation

Jenny - posted on 10/10/2009

I agree Laura, it's almost time to literally split the country in two. A working partisan democracry is dead in the water in the US.

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

The fact that the rest of the ENTIRE planet agrees with us is of great comfort to me. You guys can keep your tiny little corners of your country the fill with hate

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

A lot of left thinking people feel that the award was premature...however, the disgusting display of hate in these "debates" is ridiculous! I can't believe that you people thought that ANY administration would be able to heal your decrepit nation in less than a year.

Your founding fathers envisioned life, liberty and justice for all. The constitution is a living document, intended to change with the times, not fester with the hatred and bigotry of days gone by.

It's time for the right to admit that there is NOTHING that Obama cold do right. You hate Obama SO much that you attack the Nobel Peace Prize...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Traci - posted on 10/10/2009

He was nominated after being in office for exactly 11 days.....the man has done NOTHING to deserve it. Basically, he was nominated for the very fact that he was running for president and said he was going to end the war. All he has done is paid lip service to his idea of a perfect world....yahoo. I'm impressed. This is beyond ridiculous. But seeing as though Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Yasser "the murderer" Arafat have also won that esteemed prize, I'm not a bit surprized. Congratulations, Mr. President, you're in great company.....

Dana - posted on 10/10/2009

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but, to make the statement, "If they haven't figured out how to fix the problems yet, maybe they should step down and let someone else try." has got to be THE MOST ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. Do you seriously think this??!! It's absurd on SO many levels I don't even know where to begin. It's not as if he's sitting there doing nothing, he's not running off to Camp David every weekend or to Chicago for a break. He has been getting things done. Do you actually understand how the Presidency works or the government. Have you paid attention to previous administrations? And I don't mean Bush's messing up. How can anyone have a serious debate when something like this is said?

Maleasha - posted on 10/09/2009

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/0...

Read the first paragraph in this article. Obama was only in office for 12 days before the deadline for nominations.

And Christa, once again, I apologize in advance for my next comments.

Ok, I'll be speaking generally in my next few comments I'll be making. You keep telling conservatives to pull our heads out of our asses and see what good Obama is trying to do for our nation. If Obama was really working for the greater good, he would sit down and look at our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and try to stay with what our Founding Fathers envisioned for our nation. I don't want a government who is going to force people to act a certain way. I want a government who is willing to realize that everyone is an individual and we all have different opinions and different needs. We are not the same and should not be treated like we are. Why don't you take your own advice and realize that we have different points of views. What you may believe to be of good intentions, the next person may not feel the same way.

And Natalie, you and everyone in this world is guilty of judging people. Your about as innocent as the next person, so have a nice day. And I don't know where you get your so called "facts", but I'm pretty sure that there are other facts out there that would contradict what you are trying to pass off as facts. So give it a rest already.

Bush was far from being a great President, but why don't we stop playing the blame game and get on with the fact that this is a new Presidency. If they haven't figured out how to fix the problems yet, maybe they should step down and let someone else try.

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

You say probably written by someone on the left, which gives me the idea that you immediately dismissed it without considering its content.

You also don't know who was considered for a Nobel Peace Prize, and you won't for 50 years. http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/nominat...

All his peace talks could blow up? At least he is trying, which is more than can be said for the last leader of the US. He has been instrumental in turning the world opinion of the US around in just nine months. But you guys are just too busy bitching about how he wants to help the majority instead of the few who don't need it.

I am done with the idiocy of the conservatives in this group. You are completely unwilling to see reason, bitter about the fact that our president is working in the interest of the greater good instead of your own selfish desires, and happy with maintaining the status quo. You say you want small government, but what you really want is government that makes people behave the way you want them to. You refuse to concede good points and instead pull the "we'll have to agree to disagree" or "I'm not getting into this" bull crap when you can't refute an argument that is based in fact. It's not debate, it's you judging people and trying to use your ill-conceived opinions as fact. I'm done, I'm out of here, goodbye.

Maleasha - posted on 10/09/2009

Quoting Natalie:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/9/...

Start congratulating.

Sorry Natalie, but this article was probably written my someone on the left and those so called accomplishments, not everyone agrees with. There have been plenty of people who have made just as much, if not more, positive change and they weren't even considered for a NPP.  As for now, it's too early to give Obama a prize for anything. They should have waited. All his peace talks could blow up in his face. What will they do then?

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/9/...

Start congratulating.

Jenny - posted on 10/09/2009

Just as I thought, can't be the bigger woman and give a simple congrats. You're clouded by conservative bias and can't even be proud of your President for something as simple as this, sad.