Dear God, Please End Your Presidential Endorsements

Sara - posted on 07/25/2011 ( 73 moms have responded )

9,313

50

584

Now that Rick Perry is positioning himself as the next Great American Messiah, it’s hard not to find one’s nerves wearing thin at the number of candidates that God apparently sees fit to endorse, and even more, with their sheer gumption and embarrassing lack of qualification.

Rick, of course, is a delightful case of crackpot and self-aggrandizing delusional quasi-prophet turned politician, but he is hardly alone in being quite so ridiculous. In fact, it seems that God has called most of the Republican field to run; He just can’t seem to make up his mind as to which entrant He finds to be the most tempting. Perhaps we should make them wear apple costumes. The Almighty seems to be fishing towards the lower sections of the barrel when He dredges up the candidates that He wants to run. And you have to ask why, after all, for someone who is omnipotent, could He not pick anyone?

It’s not that much of a surprise that Barack Obama, an ex-drug using Ivory Tower type and formerly non-religious radical is not high on God’s list, even if he might be top of the candidate roster drafted by the less religious factions of the United States. God doesn’t want candidates that are big on that learning bent, but loves candidates that know how to pray!

Let’s just run through the list, shall we? Michele Bachmann is feeling God’s call to run. Rick Santorum and his wife have decided that God wants them in this the race. Tim Pawlenty’s star campaign recruit feels that God not only wants him to help elect the next president, but that that person should be Tim Pawlenty. Herman Cain thinks that God wants him in the milieu as well.


And of course, Palin has spoken in the past about God’s plans for her life. God’s list of endorsements is roughly a Tea Party revival, if it was held in a big tent environment and narrated by an appropriately excoriating sermon. Perhaps Glenn Beck could MC the entire do.

And oh yes, Mitt Romney, the Mormon’s chosen candidate. If you want to know about who thinks that he is called to the race, just track donations from individuals who have only donated to two political things in their life: Mitt’s last Presidential campaign, and the Proposition 8 effort. Then look at their religious affiliation. Then wonder if in fact it is more than coincidence. If you are feeling a bit sloth, ask Fred Karger and he’ll tell you all you need to know.

It’s almost a bit sad, to see God’s own chosen crew as they really are: Religious ideologues forcing their views into the political process, all the while claiming that their version of Christianity is the One Truth About America, a take on history that our glorious and only partially religious Founding Fathers would have abhorred.

With that truth in mind, you have to wonder, since God’s candidates all seem to want to reform American into something that is decidedly unlike the foundation that the signers of the Constitution laid, is God anti-American? If so, hold the phone Tea Party candidates, you might want to rethink your views on flag burning.

Until then I call on all Americans to not vote for anyone who claims that God is calling them to do anything. Either they are delusional, or they are lying for political gain. Whatever the case, we should want nothing to do them.

MOST HELPFUL POSTS

Jenny - posted on 07/26/2011

4,426

16

126

Personally I hold it against a politician when they say they are guided by supernatural dieties in the public realm. I like my politicians to be guided by reason. They all say it because they know they won't get elected if they don't. Personally, I believe Obama is an athiest and I'm fairly happy with how he is handling it right now, although him coming out of the secular closet would be even more desirable.



Politicians are there to represent their constituents and that is where their guidance should come from. It is completely irrelevant what some diety wishes them to do. I am very thankful faith has minimal influence in our politics. I would not have it any other way.

[deleted account]

"To the others, since you obviously don't understand TRUE Christianity, let me explain. True Christianity is all about having a close and personal relationship with Jesus. It means being filled with the holy spirit, through which one can feel God's presence. "

You are defining Christianity as you understand it. You must understand and accept that other Christians will not agree with you and feel their version is not only correct but far superior to yours. This is exactly why religious based thinking in politics leads to trouble.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/25/2011

6,434

12

67

I don't understand how someone can find this post offensive. Frankly as a Catholic I find it more offensive when politicians claim that God is guiding them in a certain direction.
Really guys, if the man in charge was speaking to you all maybe you'd do something intelligent. Like pass national health care or stop cutting medicaid and medicare. I mean I'm not God and He hasn't spoken to me in well... never, but I'm quite sure He wouldn't tell politicians to cut government funding to people who need it.

Krista - posted on 07/25/2011

12,562

16

842

And Courtney, I really don't see where the entire community is making fun of peoples' religions. As you can see from the comments on this very thread, there are several people in this community for whom religion is a sacrosanct topic, which should not be treated with any levity whatsoever. And then there are others who disagree.

Isn't that kind of the whole spirit of debate?

And really, is it not enough that non-believers respect your inviolable human right to HAVE your religion? Why do you also insist that non-believers also respect the religion itself?

Jenny - posted on 07/28/2011

4,426

16

126

Define deserve respect? I respect your right to have them and to practice them outside of public realm sure. I do not respect that religion is off limits from debate becasue someone happens to believe it is true. I do believe people who hear voices are hallucinating and that is a valid point to make and not disrespectful at all. It's pretty clear they are either lying about hearing voices or have mental issues. There is no proof for supernatural communication period and people who claim to do that have no business taking care of serious issues like running a government.

If you see this, leave this form field blank.
Powered by RESPECT not THUMPS

73 Comments

View replies by

Johnny - posted on 07/28/2011

8,686

26

318

Sorry for the misspellings, I am still stuck posting on my phone and I can not make the 'edit' button work.

Johnny - posted on 07/28/2011

8,686

26

318

Sorry, just copying Dana because this.thread is not making sense so I am hoping that this will reveal something that will clear things up for me....

And perhaps I could use a common Christian analogy that may be a comparison to this concept that one can show respect to a person without needing to respect all of thei beliefs, "love the sinner, hate the sin." Y'all seem to really like that one and perhaps you can reflect on how much you like it when it is being applied to you.

I also wanted to add that my mother honestly and sincerely believes in angels and thinks that they guide her. My father and I love and rezpect her but find her faith in angels to border on the ridiculous if not a small sign of the severity of her mental illness.

Dana - posted on 07/28/2011

11,264

35

489

Wondering if I post...will I be able to see the posts that I know are here yet, I can't see them. This lag is a pain in the ass..





Edited to add - Hey that did work! :)

Karla - posted on 07/28/2011

1,555

48

85

Krista says “But getting back to the OP and how it's disrespectful. I think it would only be disrespectful if I believed for a second that these people were 100% sincere.”

I disagree, I think a couple of these people are sincere, but I still think the fact that they mix faith with politics makes it fair game. Sorry, but if your religion is a big part of your political ideology, than you bet I want to know what you believe, and I will slam it if it’s tainted in any way, which it generally is.

To Christa, keep in mind that the OP is and indicator of how the Bible preaching politician is seen.

One more point, comedians have been mocking religion for as long as it was allowed. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion

Jenny - posted on 07/28/2011

4,426

16

126

I agree Megan.

What would Jesus do? Corporate tax cuts and deregulation of oversight agencies of course!

Rosie - posted on 07/28/2011

8,657

30

315

i hardly find it believeable that you would believe someone wasn't making it up if they said they had a pink bunny in their belly that talked to them. you'd throw them in the loony pile as well, or tell them they were lying.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/28/2011

6,434

12

67

I'm pretty disgusted myself about how politicians claim that God is on their side and then decide to cut spending to government funded programs that help the underprivleged which is pretty much what Jesus (Well the Jesus I learned about in Church) wouldn't do. But they havfe no qualms about spouting hatred of other religions and raking in the big dollars. They're like the money changers at the temple.

Sara - posted on 07/28/2011

9,313

50

584

I'm just trying to explain how most non-believers feel. I would wager to guess that you don't afford all philosophies respect based merely on the fact that they are a popular philosophy. I honestly have not been attempting to mock or insult anyone's faith in this thread, but I do stand by my responses because that is how I feel. If you can't understand that, then we just have to agree to disagree. Seems you are determined to think ill of my character and my intent anyway, so whatever works for you.

Dana - posted on 07/28/2011

11,264

35

489

Hate? lmao I know these women pretty well. They do not hate Christians, that's absurd and QUITE rude.

Christa - posted on 07/28/2011

3,876

14

209

Sara, so beliefs don't deserve respect? They have to earn respect? How exactly do they do that? Who gets to decide which beliefs have earned respect? Where’s the line between disrespecting the beliefs and disrespecting the believer? How does a person separate themselves from their beliefs? Aren’t a person’s beliefs a big part of who they are, whether those beliefs are religious or not? Your comments are quite revealing.

Christa - posted on 07/28/2011

3,876

14

209

Yes I would. I don't agree with either of those faiths, but if someone wants to believe in a pink bunny or Satan more power to them. But I wouldn't sit here and say they are making it up. Religion or spirituality is very personal and I wouldn't ever tell someone they were making up what they said. I might say your actions don't reflect what you say or debate the merits of their position. But this article and many of the posts do not do that. They mock those who think God is speaking to them one way or the other. I've heard Joy Behar on “The View” say people are crazy for this and if they are hearing voices we have hospitals for that. So it's common practice by those on the left to mock and make fun of those who feel this way which is why I feel many of you are blind to the bigotry and hatred you show towards Christians or anyone else who has a firm faith in a higher being. Again if this OP had been presented from a “these people’s actions do not coincide with Biblical teachings” or “I don’t believe in a God so how can he call you to run” or “I don’t understand how God can call so many people to run for the same position” then fine lets discuss it. Again I rarely shy away from a religious discussion, many here know that, I’m happy to discuss the validity of Christianity or faith in politics or anything else. What I will not do is accept being mocked because of my faith, it’s intolerant and disrespectful from the party that prides itself in tolerance and acceptance.

Sara - posted on 07/28/2011

9,313

50

584

Krista said "But I'm not sure where "tolerance" comes into play. Are we not allowed to question a politician's professed motives, simply because they're religious in nature? You're conflating political cynicism with religious intolerance."

I totally and completely agree with this.

To be fair, religious people typically put their religion at the center of their lives and when something is so important, it's natural to become defensive or upset when those beliefs are criticized at all, never mind harshly. However understandable such reactions may be, though, they aren't a good reason to insist the criticism not be made — just because a person takes criticism of their religion personally doesn't mean that others are obligated to protect the believer's feelings by not speaking out.

I think beliefs themselves do not merit automatic respect and deference. Humans certainly deserve some basic level of respect and respectful treatment, but beliefs aren't people. We should be polite and respectful towards the person, but we are justified in being harsh and critical of a person's claims. However much a person might take such criticism personally, you must separate yourself from your beliefs. An attack on one shouldn't be treated as an attack on the other. If a belief or idea is to be respected, it must earn that respect.

Non-believers are not responsible for making religious believers feel better about their religion. Non-believers are not responsible for helping validate religious philosophy by treating it with a respect or deference that it hasn't earned. Non-believers are not responsible for protecting the feelings of religious people by not speaking out, showing where the religious haven't supported their claims or where they have used poor arguments.

Krista - posted on 07/28/2011

12,562

16

842

I believe you made a reference to a pink something or other in your butt as an analogy to God. Really?? That's not disrespectful and rude towards anyone who believes in a God?

Nope. It's simply disrespectful and rude towards ANY individual or group who demands that I show reverence towards a deity in which I do not believe. It is simply to illustrate a point: if I held some whackadoodle, crackpot religion about an invisible pink rabbit in my duodenum, WOULD you respect that religion, simply because it is my religion?

Or, I could put it another way: do you respect Satanism, Christa? It's a faith, right? And you seem to be of the opinion that it is a horrible thing to mock or insult someone else's faith. So I'm curious as to whether you show the same respect for Satanism that you demand we show towards Christianity.

Rosie - posted on 07/28/2011

8,657

30

315

christa sara's intent was not to mock christianity. it was to mock those who use it for political gain. of course it was to create a discussion about religion in politics.

Christa - posted on 07/28/2011

3,876

14

209

As someone who believes as they do I believe they mean it. Could some be using it purely for political gain, of course. My problem is not you questioning how their faith will affect their decisions or whether or not their faith should be in politics or even if their faith is genuine. My problem is this OP is pure mockery and many posts have been pure mockery. From the get go this has been how ridiculous it is to say God guided anyone to do anything. I believe you made a reference to a pink something or other in your butt as an analogy to God. Really?? That's not disrespectful and rude towards anyone who believes in a God? If this OP had been worded differently or properly represented as an editorial and wanting to know how others felt about it or asking if faith should be in politics or any other type of related discussion, I wouldn't have had a problem. I've discussed these topics time and time again. But this was not to create a discussion about religion in politics it was a personal dig at faith based people, particularly conservative Christians. We all know it was, including the person who originally posted this. It illustrates the intolerance of left minded people to conservative Christians, but we’ve already established you all are blind to or unwilling to admit your own hate.

Krista - posted on 07/28/2011

12,562

16

842

Exactly. It's really quote notable how the right-wing thinks that liberal politicians lie through their teeth about everything, no matter HOW much proof they offer up as evidence. Climate change? They're lying. Born in Hawaii? He's lying. They're all lying. The reports? The documents? Fakes. The testimony backing them up? Those guys are just on the take. It's all a big lie. Just ignore those mountains of "evidence"...NONE of it is true.

But a right-wing politician says that God told him to run for President? How DARE we suggest that he might be not telling the truth? We're obviously a bunch of intolerant haters.

Sheesh...

Rosie - posted on 07/28/2011

8,657

30

315

But getting back to the OP and how it's disrespectful. I think it would only be disrespectful if I believed for a second that these people were 100% sincere.



i think that is perfectly said krista. if i thought at all that these people were sincere i would have no problem. all these politicians who claim that god called upon them are using god as a stepping stone for political gain. it's disgusting, and quite frankly i'm surprised more christians aren't stepping out against it. and yes, that even applies to obama.

Krista - posted on 07/28/2011

12,562

16

842

Christa, you might hear that sometimes, yes. But I've heard your god being loudly praised for everything from a Super Bowl win to finding a good parking space. And yes, there are some people who will say, "Well, it was God's will", when they've lost out, but I would wager that 99 times out of 100, after a sporting event when they talk to the losing team, the team is talking about what they did wrong, or that the other team just played better. I have NEVER heard the other team say that them losing was God's will. I'm not saying it never happens. But I'm saying that very, very often, you DO see people who give their god credit for the good things, all while forgetting that their fortune may mean someone else's misfortune..so why does their god like them better than the other guy?

I guess I just find it incredibly silly and vain for people to think that an all-powerful, supernatural deity actually gives a chocolate-covered damn about their need for a good parking space.

But getting back to the OP and how it's disrespectful. I think it would only be disrespectful if I believed for a second that these people were 100% sincere.

This isn't about faith. It's about pandering. And I would bet you dollars to donuts that the vast majority of those people are simply listening to their OWN ambition, but are putting God's name on it, because it just sounds nicer. And hey, they're not stupid. They know that the right-wing in America is demanding more religious rhetoric from its leaders all the time. So if you've got 5 candidates all saying "God told me to run", and 1 candidate who isn't, then how long before that candidate's faith (and hence, suitability for the job) is questioned?

But I'm not sure where "tolerance" comes into play. Are we not allowed to question a politician's professed motives, simply because they're religious in nature? You're conflating political cynicism with religious intolerance.

Besides, I'm sorry, but if someone is running for office, and is looking to have that much power over my life, and they're claiming that their chosen deity is telling them to run, then the odds are VERY good that this person's faith is also going to affect his/her decisions when in office.

So if someone's faith is going to have that much of a direct affect on how I live MY life, then damn skippy I'm going to question it. And considering that the politicians who are loudest in their faith have the worst track record of respecting the rights of me and those who I love, then no, I'm not going to kiss their ass and tiptoe around their faith.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/28/2011

6,434

12

67

I can't believe this whole thing started from the fact that you can't poke a little fun at organized religion. I've practised organized religion for 30 years... you can make fun of it.

Christa - posted on 07/28/2011

3,876

14

209

“You never hear the losing team saying, "Well, I guess God wanted us to lose, then." “
Actually Krista you do. There are many people who when things don't go as planned they say "well it wasn't God's will".

I'm just going to leave it at. . . . . it wouldn't kill you to show some respect for a person's beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Calling them "ego-maniacal sociopaths" or "delusional, or they are lying for political gain" is COMPLETELY disrespectful and closed-minded. It goes back to my original statement that your, the lefts, "tolerance" only applies to certain groups. It's quite sad how blind you all are to your own hate.

Krista - posted on 07/27/2011

12,562

16

842

Isn't presuming to know the mind of God kind of a no-no? It IS hubris, which is a form of pride, which, last time I checked, was just a wee bit frowned upon in that whole "Seven Deadly Sins" thingamabob.

So yeah, I agree with you, Johnny. Anybody who says, "God wants/wanted X and Y", when X and Y just OH-so-conveniently happen to coincide with the personal desires of the speaker, is exhibiting a metric shitload of hubris.

You never hear the losing team saying, "Well, I guess God wanted us to lose, then."

Johnny - posted on 07/27/2011

8,686

26

318

It does not matter to me which god a person claims to be specially selected by. This just reminds me of the winning sports team/player, the award-receiving celebrity, or the guy whose house is still standing amidst a scene of utter destruction following a tornado. The hubris and enormous ego it takes to make the assumption that you alone are better or more special or more deserving in the eyes of god than others is what distresses me. It is not about a specific religion, or the depth of personal faith. To me anyone who claims to know the intentions of god are bordering on ego-maniacal sociopaths. And if they are just making it up to win votes that is pretty bad too. Regardless of political affiliation.

Christa - posted on 07/27/2011

3,876

14

209

There are extremists in all religions. Though not at all the point of this thread, but nice try trying to highjack it towards a totally different discussion. I'd love to get back to topic.

Jenny - posted on 07/27/2011

4,426

16

126

I don't think they do but feel free to quote any Christian bigotry you may have seen and prove me wrong.

Do you feel the same way about bin Laden or does it only apply to Christians?

Christa - posted on 07/27/2011

3,876

14

209

Past debates prove you wrong.

If you want to talk about the Norway guy that's another thread, but he cleary was a lost soul who didn't understand the religion he claimed to belong to.

Jenny - posted on 07/27/2011

4,426

16

126

Well I don't think you will find any on here who are using a separate measuring stick for Christianity over any other religion.



Here's a good question: do you consider the guy in the recent Norway atrocity Christian which is what he self-identified as?

Jenny - posted on 07/27/2011

4,426

16

126

I have always been very clear that I dislike ALL religion equally. I feel it is outdated, is used as a tool to control the masses and is holding us back from intellectual progress. It certainly has NO place in the public realm, political or otherwise, and should be permanently banned from these institutions.

My respect stays with personal faith only and the right to that I fully support.

Christa - posted on 07/27/2011

3,876

14

209

Obviously my comment to Sara was taken the wrong way. I meant no disrespect; I just know Sara doesn't align herself with the Christian religion.



So much was said I don't even know how to respond. . . .I guess just that these people's beliefs, whether you agree with them or not should be respected just as any other group. Those who I've tangled with in the past know that the second a Muslim or homosexual is spoken about negatively people get all wound up and people are called hateful racist bigots. I'd just like the same respect shown to Christians. If someone wants to post and have a debate about the place for religion in politics or a debate about religion in general by all means, we've done that before. But this post, IMO, was posted strictly to make fun of and insult Christians, particularly those who align themselves with conservatives. Especially since there was nothing else said about this article and it had the appearance of original thought with no question or debate included.

Krista - posted on 07/27/2011

12,562

16

842

Please refrain from personal digs, everybody. Argue the subject.

Thanks

Sara - posted on 07/27/2011

9,313

50

584

I wasn't saying that Jesus was a republican or a democrat...that would an idiotic assertion to make one way or another. I'm just saying that the political platform of many conservatives in this country that claim to be devout followers of JC don't seem to jive with his teachings. I think that's a valid, and true, point, and I certainly have the right to make that assertion based on what I understand his teachings to be. :B

Karla - posted on 07/27/2011

1,555

48

85

I would agree with Courtney except for the fact the politicians DO mention religion, and quite often for some of them. Therefore I would expect to see that aspect of politics discussed at the Political Debate community.

I was once told that if you want to get along with people do not discuss politics, religion or sex. I’ve seen it all discussed on CoM. I guess we have made our beds…

@Christa, you say “Sara you are the last person who should be commenting on what Jesus did or did not support.” Wow, I can’t believe you said that. Why? Was she wrong?

I saw another thread that asked Christians how they could vote Democrat. It is amazing how many people judge one another based on religion. I am disgusted with it. Christianity has turned into a soapbox for various political gains. Whenever a politician mentions their Christian beliefs I judge it as pandering.

@Christa “Jesus was not a democrat or a republican and if EVERYONE actually did what Jesus taught there would be no need for government.. . .” I couldn’t agree more.

In my opinion the bottom line is that there is great value in the separation of Church and State, and that divide is often blurred in an effort to get more votes.

Karla - posted on 07/27/2011

1,555

48

85

Hey Christa, We agree on something!
I don't think I saw it in thumps, but it seems to me cut-n-paste items should be cited, even if the poster changes a word such and "black" to "white."

I'd like to know the source of these words as well, thanks for checking into it.
Have a good one.

Dana - posted on 07/26/2011

11,264

35

489

Christa: "Dana, I find it hard to believe that as a professed Christian you don't understand this and don't find it offensive."

What don't I understand? Why you guys find this offensive? If that's what you're referring to, yes, I don't understand why you are offended. Maybe I just have a better sense of humor and am not on the defensive so much when it comes to religion.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/26/2011

6,434

12

67

AllI know is I believe God wants me to have a sense of humour. How else do you explain a pregnancy while on birth control?

Krista - posted on 07/26/2011

12,562

16

842

You WILL respect the invisible pink rabbit in my duodenum who helps me poop! (How do I know he exists? I poop every day. Case closed.) How dare you blaspheme against him!

Feh...the day that the religious start actually respecting not just atheism, but my right to BE an atheist, is the day that I might start according their belief system a bit more respect. But I cannot respect ANY faith that assumes that non-adherents are a) evil and without morals, or b) ignorant souls who just need "the good word" spread to them.

Isobel - posted on 07/26/2011

9,849

0

282

yes...God called upon them to cut taxes for the rich and benefits for the poor...obviously, who could dare to question that?

Johnny - posted on 07/26/2011

8,686

26

318

Most non-believers also do not believe in blasphemy. It is pretty hard to give special, sacred priveleges to ideas that one finds ridiculous and deities that one simply does not believe exist. It is not with a purposeful intent to offend.

Imagine just for a second that someone asks you to respect an idea that you find absurd, to give it special accordance, not debate it in any way nor bring it into question. For many people, being asked to give special respect to someone's religious ideas is no differernt than being asked not to insult, ridicule or question their political ideas. It is just not considered sacred.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/26/2011

6,434

12

67

I don't believe that religion should be relevent to someone's political career. I remember reading how back in the 60's everyone was in shock that a Catholic had been elected president and the Southern states were going crazy (er) about it.
Beliefs are wonderful to have. They help keep you grounded and they give you something to help you through your life. However I think it's ridiculous how these Conservatives who believe they're guided by God are the exact same ones who want to cut medicaid and medicare and other Government subsidized programs. They're also the ones refusing to help the president fix this national debt crisis because it's not being done their way.
Sorry GOP but that's probably NOT what Jesus would do.

Rosie - posted on 07/26/2011

8,657

30

315

i give muslims as much respect as christians. i think they're both deluded, however under our constitution EVERY religion is afforded the same rights in this country. how many churches do you see being banned from building, or terrorized out of making? ALL religion needs to be protected under our law, christians only want their religion protected. and i think that's crap. i speak up about it cause it's crap that one group can use their power over another. MUCH like politicians do when playing the god card...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/26/2011

6,434

12

67

"Oh and again if everyone acted as Jesus said then no one would be turning from God therefore no one would be stoned. So like I said if EVERYONE did as Jesus said we wouldn't need government. :) "

Sorry my husband's an Atheist and he still acts with more morals than most of those politicians who act as though they're guided by God. Not flying with me.

[deleted account]

"Oh and again if everyone acted as Jesus said then no one would be turning from God therefore no one would be stoned. So like I said if EVERYONE did as Jesus said we wouldn't need government. :) "

Jesus condoned the beating of slaves, even if they did nothing wrong. Shall I quote the parable?

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/26/2011

6,434

12

67

But we do not have the right to NOT have that religion questioned, or even mocked.

I was taught that all religion was to be questioned. You have to be able to question your faith or else you're just following blindly.

Krista - posted on 07/26/2011

12,562

16

842

Hey, nobody's saying you can't make fun of Muslims or homosexuals. We're simply saying that you can't TREAT them differently under the law.

And the same goes for Christians, or for any other religion. Your society and mine both require that we all have the right to hold and practice our own religions. But we do not have the right to NOT have that religion questioned, or even mocked.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/26/2011

6,434

12

67

Christa I believe that it's more than a bit presumptuous to assume you're the only one on this forum who knows what a 'true Christian' is and that you can teach the rest of us how to be one. Sorry, but I don't need someone over the internet telling me that what I've been taught by my parents the past 30 years is wrong and that I need a change. I got that the month I took care of a Jehova's Witness.
I'm not even sure anyone can define what True Christianity is because beliefs as a whole are so different. People will say that a true Christian would oppose Gay marriage and a woman's right to choose. I say do that last one and I stay in Canada. And I sincerly doubt God would endorse both parties acting like children and plunging the entire country into a worse recession than the one the US is in now. No God or Jesus would probably tell them to do what would help the poor and get on with it. At least that's what I believe.
Yet another reason to like Canada, they can't get God to endorse a PM, but hey BC does have Summerland :)

Christa - posted on 07/26/2011

3,876

14

209

Oh and again if everyone acted as Jesus said then no one would be turning from God therefore no one would be stoned. So like I said if EVERYONE did as Jesus said we wouldn't need government. :)

Christa - posted on 07/26/2011

3,876

14

209

No one said anything about not being an American if you aren't a Christian. All I said was if you are not a true Christian then you don't understand why these people say these things. Yet you continue to spew your judgment, why are these people not afforded the same respect you and your like scream about for Muslims or Homosexuals? Why is it only intolerance if the group under attack is one you agree with?

Rosie - posted on 07/26/2011

8,657

30

315

christa jesus/god condones stoning your child for straying from god. pretty sure we need government...

as for what a TRUE christian is. i find that sentiment laughable and EXACTLY why politicians use god to further their agenda. you dont' believe what i believe so you must not be a TRUE christian, therefore not a true american. i dont' believe in god, am i not just as american as my mother who does? it's bogus bullshit used to divide and conquer.

Christa - posted on 07/26/2011

3,876

14

209

Sara you are the last person who should be commenting on what Jesus did or did not support. Jesus was not a democrat or a republican and if EVERYONE actually did what Jesus taught there would be no need for government.. . .

Dana, I find it hard to believe that as a professed Christian you don't understand this and don't find it offensive.

To the others, since you obviously don't understand TRUE Christianity, let me explain. True Christianity is all about having a close and personal relationship with Jesus. It means being filled with the holy spirit, through which one can feel God's presence. Through his word and prayer one feels his calling. I know most of you are laughing at this and deeming this delusional and crazy, which is fine. But you should understand, when a person has this relationship with God they look to him for guidance. They also submit that while they don't know the whole plan they will follow his lead. So when these people, including Obama, say they feel God's calling they are just doing what they think he wants them to. Of course sometimes people mis-understand God's message and sometimes God's message is not exactly as it appears. He may be calling these people to run, but not to win or not for the reason they think. Whoever wrote this article very clearly doesn't understand Christianity and clearly doesn't know or care at how blasphemous this was. The blasphemy is what I personally find so offensive.

If you see this, leave this form field blank.
Powered by RESPECT not THUMPS

Join Circle of Moms

Sign up for Circle of Moms and be a part of this community! Membership is just one click away.

Join Circle of Moms