Enviromentalists are now REALLY up our rears....

Dana - posted on 09/27/2009

Thank you.

Traci - posted on 09/27/2009

sorry....

Dana - posted on 09/27/2009

I have a WONDERFUL sense of humor, I just didn't find this anywhere near funny.

Traci - posted on 09/27/2009

Quoting dana:

Quoting Traci:

Hey! I got a great idea about that plastic island the size of Texas!!! Hear me out now....

Okay, how 'bout we keep on dumping our plastic on it, over and over, until it makes an island....and by the time it gets big enough, all those people who are going to drown in coastal living areas from "global warming"....they can all go live on the plastic island--problem solved!!! LOLOLOL Drink that Aquafina, girls....we have an island to make!!!

LOL :)

People are losing their homes on small Islands wether you want to believe in global warming or not.  This has got to be one of the most disrespectful things I've read in this community.  I'm actually disgusted.  Do you TRY to start trouble?

Not trying to start trouble...has EVERYONE lost their sense of humor???? yikes

Jeannette - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Christa:

I agree Amy! Instead on focusing on making laws I think if they made it more accessible more would do their part. I think most want to save the earth and aren't out to just destroy it.

I agree!

Jeannette - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Dawn:

I'd like to know why you never hear about all the nuclear testing that has been done, especially the upper atmosphere testing that was finally stopped by Clinton, having any effect on the whole global warming. You would think 50 yrs of nuclear testing would have an effect on the eviroment.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...

yes, I think we are all mutants now...I believe it has had severe impact! :0)

Jeannette - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Traci:

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Jeannette:

Quoting Christa:

The point is if you want to use it good for you, but what's next a law requiring everyone to use it? It's a bit ridiculous.

I think if people were to consider where everything gets dumped or flushed - you know what - people do...and they just don't care.

If people would care about the fact that the Phillipines gets dumped with how many tons of American garbage????  I believe people should care about this.  They don't want to be forced but they won't make an effort to reduce waste.  I don't believe I make a serious enough effort.  I have an hour a week I could donate to the cause of recycling - something I support - but I don't.  I've got my excuses.  Wanna hear them?  40hr work week, football games, picking up my daughter every Friday, will not sacrifice any moment of time I get with my kids on Saturday after work or Sunday.  Monday - Wednesday, I could find an hour.  I'm unmotivated and lazy and the plastic and glass would have to be taken approx 40 miles to get recycled.   I do use recyclable grocery sacks religiiously, and we've switched over all our lightbulbs, and I try to buy environmentally friendly products.  I am a coupon nut though...if I don't have a coupon...

However, when I lived in Crowley, TX, it was mandated that we recycle.  They gave us three bins...paper, plastic, glass.  We got fined for not pariticipating.  Well, I don't know if anyone got fined really because I don't know how adamant they were about regulating this.  But I recycled everything I could.  It made me feel better to reduce my contibutions to landfills.

I think we are soooooo incredibly wasteful.  Think about all the crap we manufacture - let that sink in- think about what your local stores look like when you walk in...filled shelves with loads of options!  Then we have our specialty stores: the container store, bath and body works, bed bath & beyond, linens and things, countless shoe stores...all filled with product.  What happens to all of that product if it doesn't sell?  Are there warehouses for warehouses? 

 

I never said I didn't care about the environment.  I do my part as well.  What I think is ridiculous is how there are people in this country who are more concerned with killing the earth with soft toilet paper then killing millions of babies.  I don't understand why these environmentalists get all up in arm about grocery bags, TP, carbon footprints, etc. But killing innocent life is interfering in people's lives and taking away their choice.  It's completely ridiculous and I will never understand those values.

 

The reason they put toilet paper over babies is because they think people are the problem, which is absolutely ridiculous.  The whole "population bomb" has already been realized for the joke that it was, no?  The fear mongering enviros have been telling us for over 50 years how "we've only got 10 more years" before the planet shuts down...they obviously have no idea what they are talking about.  Whatever problems we have, people find a way.  But that's not what its about, IMO.  It's about controlling us.  Don't have too many kids, it's not environmentally friendly, don't use soft tissue, don't use this, don't use that.....and every "fix" they give us makes something else worse.  I just saw  a story a couple months ago about how back when they banned CFC's due to the ozone layer, what they replaced it with is now contributing to something else that is even worse.  Law of unintended consequences rears its ugly head.....same with the lightbulb thing....don't use regular light bulbs even though they are better in EVERY way than those swirly ones....and now we're flooding our landfills with mercury laced bulbs instead of just a few shards of harmless glass....sweet. 

 

I also saw a story about some chick who aborted her baby "for the planet."  What an ass.  Words cannot describe how sick and disgusting that is....

Traci, I read your compassion, I really do.  I agree....I don't believe we are overpopulating the planet - except in India and China.  We have vast land that is usable here in America...so far.  However, people are continuing to build further and further into rural areas.   They are destroying the natural habitats of animals we hunt, they are taking up valuable land that may need to be used for food resource...people are incredibly lame when it comes to being responsible with our resources.  Meanwhile, buildings and houses are left abandoned, to rot in a space that was once raw land...saddening.

I wish our city would mandate recycling.  Then I could recycle hassle free, however, I am told that it costs too much to recycle materials.  I don't know how true that is, I've never done that research.

Fear not Traci - the girl who aborted her baby for the planet is not you.  I would/could never do that.  I don't think I'd sit still long enough for the mindf*** that a decision on that basis would require.  I will not tolerate fear mongering for myself...and that is fear mongering.

Jeannette - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Jeannette:

Quoting Christa:

The point is if you want to use it good for you, but what's next a law requiring everyone to use it? It's a bit ridiculous.

I think if people were to consider where everything gets dumped or flushed - you know what - people do...and they just don't care.

If people would care about the fact that the Phillipines gets dumped with how many tons of American garbage????  I believe people should care about this.  They don't want to be forced but they won't make an effort to reduce waste.  I don't believe I make a serious enough effort.  I have an hour a week I could donate to the cause of recycling - something I support - but I don't.  I've got my excuses.  Wanna hear them?  40hr work week, football games, picking up my daughter every Friday, will not sacrifice any moment of time I get with my kids on Saturday after work or Sunday.  Monday - Wednesday, I could find an hour.  I'm unmotivated and lazy and the plastic and glass would have to be taken approx 40 miles to get recycled.   I do use recyclable grocery sacks religiiously, and we've switched over all our lightbulbs, and I try to buy environmentally friendly products.  I am a coupon nut though...if I don't have a coupon...

However, when I lived in Crowley, TX, it was mandated that we recycle.  They gave us three bins...paper, plastic, glass.  We got fined for not pariticipating.  Well, I don't know if anyone got fined really because I don't know how adamant they were about regulating this.  But I recycled everything I could.  It made me feel better to reduce my contibutions to landfills.

I think we are soooooo incredibly wasteful.  Think about all the crap we manufacture - let that sink in- think about what your local stores look like when you walk in...filled shelves with loads of options!  Then we have our specialty stores: the container store, bath and body works, bed bath & beyond, linens and things, countless shoe stores...all filled with product.  What happens to all of that product if it doesn't sell?  Are there warehouses for warehouses? 

 

I never said I didn't care about the environment.  I do my part as well.  What I think is ridiculous is how there are people in this country who are more concerned with killing the earth with soft toilet paper then killing millions of babies.  I don't understand why these environmentalists get all up in arm about grocery bags, TP, carbon footprints, etc. But killing innocent life is interfering in people's lives and taking away their choice.  It's completely ridiculous and I will never understand those values.

 

You don't have to kill a baby.  You never have to have an abortion.  Why do you have a problem with others having abortions?  Keep your values, instill them in your children, but how do the values of other people impact you in that way?

Amy - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Jenny:

We have extensive recycle programs. Deposit on all beverage containers for one thing to encourage it. Schools and community groups do bottle drives to raise funds or the homeless will pick them up. It's rare to see discarded beverage containers around here. We also have bi-weekly curbside pickup of all recyclables. No sorting, toss it in the blue bin and you're done. We have a carbon tax on gas and oil products as well. There's many other programs but those are the main ones.

I like the ease of your recycling program. I think if it were that easy here, you may have more participants.

Dawn - posted on 09/25/2009

I'd like to know why you never hear about all the nuclear testing that has been done, especially the upper atmosphere testing that was finally stopped by Clinton, having any effect on the whole global warming. You would think 50 yrs of nuclear testing would have an effect on the eviroment.



http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...

Amie - posted on 09/25/2009

Jenny climate change isn't man made. It IS a natural cycle but is being sped up by man's wasteful use of the planet.

Amie - posted on 09/25/2009

Is saving the planet important? Of course it is! Should it be regulated? Well yes for countries,states/provinces, cities, towns, etc. that don't do their part equally it should be.



Our family, our city, our province, is big on recycling and creating less waste for our landfills. Our kids learn about it in school and participate. We save our bottles and give them during bottle drives for the school and various kids programs that come around. Though the odd time we take them in because we have way too many. It's all recycled so I don't feel bad about buying plastic, paper, etc....



Our fridge, stove, furnace and central air unit are all energy efficient. Our new toilet conserves water. We are looking at a new washing machine and dryer that get the star for being energy efficient and conserves water.

We've looked at solar panels as well, to even partially get off the grid we can do it for 10-15 thousand. Not bad at all.

We have a compost bin in our backyard.

We recycle, plastic, glass, paper, plastic bags, aluminum, cardboard, tin cans, tetra packs, light bulbs, big appliances, and give our old clothes, small (still usable) appliances, etc.. to the Salvation Army or Diabetes association. Depends who shows up first.

It is not mandated here that you recycle but most people anyways. We have recycling centers set up around the city for everything I listed.



We do this though because I want to do what I can to make sure the next generations of my family actually have somewhere to live. It is disgusting that bigger cities actually buy property elsewhere to dump their garbage.

We have one small bin we use for garbage pick up. If your family needs more than that (because you don't recycle) you have to pay for it. It's not expensive to get an extra one but I'd rather recycle anyways.

Our city does have by-laws about yard waste though. It is not allowed in the garbage bin. If the garbage men see it, they write down your address, city hall sends out a ticket. It's to be taken to the designated area at our garbage dump. They have their own huge compost heap out there too. It's reused as fertilizer around the city, I believe. Need to check again, they might have even started selling some of it.



While my city could do more we're doing pretty well as it is. Our own family is leaps and bounds ahead of others. Our kids know the importance of reduce, reuse, recycle. They do their own part in this as well.



As for TP. We buy the recycled stuff when we can. It's not overly expensive (at least here) but it does seem to go faster than other brands(in regards to being sold). I haven't noticed a huge difference between it and other brands . Though I have never bought the extra plush stuff. It's TP, it's going to get flush, WHY spend X amount of dollars on something that's going to get flushed anyway? Talk about money down the drain.



As for the abortion crap. There is a HUGE difference between a personal decision (that impacts only your and your families lives) and the environmentalists stand points which are trying to save the world (which impacts everyone the world over).

Jenny - posted on 09/25/2009

I'm on the fence as far as climate change goes. I'm not sure if it's man-made or a natural cycle.



Our air quality and water quality though are definately being destroyed by man. The garbage we dump. Our level of waste is astronomical. Over packaging of goods. Planned obselesance causing us to buy quantity instead of quality (I'm looking at you Ipod). Our complete dependance on oil. Where I live most homes can be heated and cooled by geothermal yet most people are using electric baseboard heaters and furnaces or gas ones. Why? Because of money of course. Wind power, wave power, solar power are not practical for most becasue of cost. Organic food costs more than non-organic. The list goes on and on. Then the corporations say there is not enough demand to provide an affordable supply. BS!



I do buy recycled tiolet paper and will purchase the recycled option of pretty much anything available. There's just so much more we do to help our planet and we get shut down by the system time and time again.

Dana - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Traci:

Hey! I got a great idea about that plastic island the size of Texas!!! Hear me out now....

Okay, how 'bout we keep on dumping our plastic on it, over and over, until it makes an island....and by the time it gets big enough, all those people who are going to drown in coastal living areas from "global warming"....they can all go live on the plastic island--problem solved!!! LOLOLOL Drink that Aquafina, girls....we have an island to make!!!

LOL :)

People are losing their homes on small Islands wether you want to believe in global warming or not.  This has got to be one of the most disrespectful things I've read in this community.  I'm actually disgusted.  Do you TRY to start trouble?

Traci - posted on 09/25/2009

Hey! I got a great idea about that plastic island the size of Texas!!! Hear me out now....



Okay, how 'bout we keep on dumping our plastic on it, over and over, until it makes an island....and by the time it gets big enough, all those people who are going to drown in coastal living areas from "global warming"....they can all go live on the plastic island--problem solved!!! LOLOLOL Drink that Aquafina, girls....we have an island to make!!!



LOL :)

Jenny - posted on 09/25/2009

It has to be legislated for all the ignorant folks out there who believe humans have dominion over the earth and can do whatever they want, god willing. When it comes to protecting the planet I don't give a crap what anyone else's personal preferances are. I want no part in destroying our earth and don't support giving others the "right" to do so either. TP is not so much on the radar right now as stuff like this: http://www.straight.com/article-249305/f...



Water is our MOST precious resource and we should not be allowing the destruction of it for profit.

Traci - posted on 09/25/2009

Yes, EXACTLY! In the liberal mind frame we should have the CHOICE to kill our offspring while in utero and we are intelligent enough to make that decision, but we are not intelligent enough to CHOOSE to wipe our butts with the "right" kind of toilet paper or use the 'right' kind of light bulb or use the 'right' kind of grocery bag or drive the 'right' kind of car or use the 'right' kind of water bottle....the hypocrisy in that is just mind blowing, don't ya think?

Isobel - posted on 09/25/2009

I don't understand how you can say you don't want an abortion debate when every post you've made in a thread about environmentalism has been about abortion.

I don't think that what brand of toilet paper a rape victim uses will affect her for the rest of her life...do you?

Dawn - posted on 09/25/2009

errr sorry on the spelling. Ment to hit the spell check instead of the post button. Need more coffee!!!

Dawn - posted on 09/25/2009

Personally I rather get rid of all the plastic crap that your product comes in. If they want to use plastic packaging. Please make it out of the stuff you can recycle. No on that note I find it highly irritating that we don't have any recycling here in our town. Only alunamun cans and news paper/card board.

ME - posted on 09/25/2009

we don't really need to have a debate about abortion do we...changing the subject, or attacking ALL environmentalists because you assume they must also be pro-choice is a logical fallacy (I feel like a broken record...ugh!) There are some very fundamentalist Christian churches that argue that our responsibilities to the environment are clearly there in the bible, and that Christians should not ignore them in favor of other moral battles. I'm sure that they would take issue at being lumped in with folks who support a woman's right to choose! ...Not only does your argument not make sense, but it doesn't change the facts about our need to make changes in our behavior in order to stop destroying our planet. Yes, Laura, there is a swirling vortex of plastic bigger then TX in the Ocean...it's pretty terrible...

Isobel - posted on 09/25/2009

Ok then...here we go...

No amount of calling it baby killing is going to tug at my heart strings. Yes I cried the first time I saw my child's heart beat I adore them both, but I believe (according to MY religion) that life begins when a baby is capable of surviving outside the womb without machines.

It is for THEM that I am trying to protect the earth (as much as I really do LOVE cushy tp) because it is they who will have to live on this dirty, plastic ridden, polluted, smoggy planet that we leave them.

Have you heard about the plastic continent? I could be wrong but I believe there is a mass of discarded swirling in the Ocean (I can't remember exactly where but I can look it up if you like) that is bigger than Texas.

If we continue to kill Mother Earth, she will kick us off, and heal herself.

Traci - posted on 09/25/2009

I started this thead....I'll take it where I want to, thanks :)

Isobel - posted on 09/25/2009

we also have bi-weekly pick up here, they only pick up garbage every other week as well (our six apartments use 1 garbage bin and two recycling bins) and with the garbage they also pick up green bin (compostables)

Don't worry about the world though...it's us the humans that are headed down the toilet, as soon as we're gone good ole earth will be just fine.

The thread is not about abortion...start a new one if you like

Traci - posted on 09/25/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Jeannette:

Quoting Christa:

The point is if you want to use it good for you, but what's next a law requiring everyone to use it? It's a bit ridiculous.

I think if people were to consider where everything gets dumped or flushed - you know what - people do...and they just don't care.

If people would care about the fact that the Phillipines gets dumped with how many tons of American garbage????  I believe people should care about this.  They don't want to be forced but they won't make an effort to reduce waste.  I don't believe I make a serious enough effort.  I have an hour a week I could donate to the cause of recycling - something I support - but I don't.  I've got my excuses.  Wanna hear them?  40hr work week, football games, picking up my daughter every Friday, will not sacrifice any moment of time I get with my kids on Saturday after work or Sunday.  Monday - Wednesday, I could find an hour.  I'm unmotivated and lazy and the plastic and glass would have to be taken approx 40 miles to get recycled.   I do use recyclable grocery sacks religiiously, and we've switched over all our lightbulbs, and I try to buy environmentally friendly products.  I am a coupon nut though...if I don't have a coupon...

However, when I lived in Crowley, TX, it was mandated that we recycle.  They gave us three bins...paper, plastic, glass.  We got fined for not pariticipating.  Well, I don't know if anyone got fined really because I don't know how adamant they were about regulating this.  But I recycled everything I could.  It made me feel better to reduce my contibutions to landfills.

I think we are soooooo incredibly wasteful.  Think about all the crap we manufacture - let that sink in- think about what your local stores look like when you walk in...filled shelves with loads of options!  Then we have our specialty stores: the container store, bath and body works, bed bath & beyond, linens and things, countless shoe stores...all filled with product.  What happens to all of that product if it doesn't sell?  Are there warehouses for warehouses? 

 

I never said I didn't care about the environment.  I do my part as well.  What I think is ridiculous is how there are people in this country who are more concerned with killing the earth with soft toilet paper then killing millions of babies.  I don't understand why these environmentalists get all up in arm about grocery bags, TP, carbon footprints, etc. But killing innocent life is interfering in people's lives and taking away their choice.  It's completely ridiculous and I will never understand those values.

 

The reason they put toilet paper over babies is because they think people are the problem, which is absolutely ridiculous.  The whole "population bomb" has already been realized for the joke that it was, no?  The fear mongering enviros have been telling us for over 50 years how "we've only got 10 more years" before the planet shuts down...they obviously have no idea what they are talking about.  Whatever problems we have, people find a way.  But that's not what its about, IMO.  It's about controlling us.  Don't have too many kids, it's not environmentally friendly, don't use soft tissue, don't use this, don't use that.....and every "fix" they give us makes something else worse.  I just saw  a story a couple months ago about how back when they banned CFC's due to the ozone layer, what they replaced it with is now contributing to something else that is even worse.  Law of unintended consequences rears its ugly head.....same with the lightbulb thing....don't use regular light bulbs even though they are better in EVERY way than those swirly ones....and now we're flooding our landfills with mercury laced bulbs instead of just a few shards of harmless glass....sweet. 

I also saw a story about some chick who aborted her baby "for the planet."  What an ass.  Words cannot describe how sick and disgusting that is....

ME - posted on 09/25/2009

My point above about the aerosol cans was: we would still be using them if they hadn't been outlawed. Nothing would have change in fuel efficiency standards, we wouldn't have to have our cars emissions checked, etc. No one has outlawed your TP yet, so stop complaining...but I don't see any problem with outlawing evironmentally dangerous products, procedures, and habits; particularly unnecessary ones. Recycled TP isn't that much more expensive...there's no reason not to use it unless you don't have access to it. Same thing goes for those lightbulbs...I have no problem with the gov't regulating environmentally hazerdous crap...if people weren't too lazy to make these choices on their own, the government wouldn't have to step in.

Charlie - posted on 09/25/2009

I use recycled , its not that bad .

would it be ridiculous to out law these things , NO because selfish people who dont want to think past the next 50 years will continue to support these earth eating products , so IMO outlawing it would be a blessing how else can we stop the ignorance ?



Is the earth more important than people ? AHH YES , when people come down off their little clouds and stop being so high and mighty they might just see the bigger picture and realize the earth is turning into a steaming pile off shit because our greed .

When the earth is so worn out , polluted and destroyed and all our great grandchildren have died from the toxic pollution WE created at least you can take comfort in the fact that for JUST one lifetime your asshole was super comfy :)

Dawn - posted on 09/24/2009

Well I for one would like to see Victoria ( Vancover Island, BC) to stop dumping their sewage waste (untreated) into the water and then it affects our waters on the Washinton side of the Sound.



Plus, I knew the plastic bags were not going to work, but had to "save" the forest. Now we have these light bulbs with mercury in them. There is no place around where I live that will take them for disposal so into the trash they go. Think this is going to be still a good idea in a few more years? NOT.

Jenny - posted on 09/24/2009

If there's no earth, there's no people so hell yes. You can't sacrfice something that doesn't exist. And my point still stands, we can not (will not?) take care of the people already here.

Jenny - posted on 09/24/2009

Because we can't take care of the people we already have. We've raped the earth enough as it is. The last thing the earth needs is more people!

Jenny - posted on 09/24/2009

We have extensive recycle programs. Deposit on all beverage containers for one thing to encourage it. Schools and community groups do bottle drives to raise funds or the homeless will pick them up. It's rare to see discarded beverage containers around here. We also have bi-weekly curbside pickup of all recyclables. No sorting, toss it in the blue bin and you're done. We have a carbon tax on gas and oil products as well. There's many other programs but those are the main ones.

Traci - posted on 09/24/2009

And those little swirly mercury laced lightbulbs suck, I might add. They take a couple seconds to turn on, they don't last much longer than a regular light bulb....and how many people do you think ACTUALLY dispose of those at their local recycling center??? Not much...



Hope you don't break one in your home, it isn't fun cleaning one up....

Traci - posted on 09/24/2009

Quoting Natalie:

And why exactly do you need soft, comfortable paper to wipe your behind?

Because we like it and we can pay for it :)  If I want to wipe my behind with 5 dollar bills its not anyone's business but my own.

Jeannette - posted on 09/24/2009

Quoting Christa:

The point is if you want to use it good for you, but what's next a law requiring everyone to use it? It's a bit ridiculous.

I think if people were to consider where everything gets dumped or flushed - you know what - people do...and they just don't care.

If people would care about the fact that the Phillipines gets dumped with how many tons of American garbage????  I believe people should care about this.  They don't want to be forced but they won't make an effort to reduce waste.  I don't believe I make a serious enough effort.  I have an hour a week I could donate to the cause of recycling - something I support - but I don't.  I've got my excuses.  Wanna hear them?  40hr work week, football games, picking up my daughter every Friday, will not sacrifice any moment of time I get with my kids on Saturday after work or Sunday.  Monday - Wednesday, I could find an hour.  I'm unmotivated and lazy and the plastic and glass would have to be taken approx 40 miles to get recycled.   I do use recyclable grocery sacks religiiously, and we've switched over all our lightbulbs, and I try to buy environmentally friendly products.  I am a coupon nut though...if I don't have a coupon...

However, when I lived in Crowley, TX, it was mandated that we recycle.  They gave us three bins...paper, plastic, glass.  We got fined for not pariticipating.  Well, I don't know if anyone got fined really because I don't know how adamant they were about regulating this.  But I recycled everything I could.  It made me feel better to reduce my contibutions to landfills.

I think we are soooooo incredibly wasteful.  Think about all the crap we manufacture - let that sink in- think about what your local stores look like when you walk in...filled shelves with loads of options!  Then we have our specialty stores: the container store, bath and body works, bed bath & beyond, linens and things, countless shoe stores...all filled with product.  What happens to all of that product if it doesn't sell?  Are there warehouses for warehouses? 

Alison - posted on 09/24/2009

I think we all have a responsibility to care for the environment for the sake of our children when we are gone. I'm not sure that it should become the law to make people use certain toilet paper, but it's a law I could live with if I had to.



It does annoy me when you see politicians driving whatever car they like and flying all round the world to attend conferences that could be done over video link in their own office. They will then proceed to lecture the rest of us about cheap airfare and using public transport.



I think people would be more enthusiastic if the leaders would start by setting an example. I think the Whitehouse should be the first to implement changes to its toilet paper and I will gladly go out and buy some for my house.

Jeannette - posted on 09/24/2009

I would go along with this, however, recycled toilet paper costs more than other types where I live. I use Scott, it is single ply and lasts a long time. Send me coupons and I will buy recycled toilet paper.

Natalie - posted on 09/24/2009

Recycled toilet paper is not bad at all. I used it all through my pregnancy, and after my son was born with no problem. It's the tiniest bit of difference that probably will not affect you beyond the toilet flush, if you notice it at all. Giving up that tiny luxury would reduce negative impact on old growth forests, which provide you with oxygen. The really ridiculous thing is that people can't be responsible enough to do it on their own!

ME - posted on 09/24/2009

I use recycled TP, recycled trash bags, recycled paper towels, environmentally friendly cleaners, and those crazy spiral light bulbs...Maybe you'd like it if the government brought back those old fashioned aerosol cans too...GOOD GOD...is there nothing you won't complain about?

Amy - posted on 09/24/2009

Quoting Natalie:

And why exactly do you need soft, comfortable paper to wipe your behind?

Sorry, I'm pregnant and have issues with varicose veins (okay,hemorrhoids) and I am not about to start trying to use the same sandpaper they try to pass off at work to wipe my rear, kind of don't like the whole bleeding thing

. I know TMI, but hey we Are talking TP here :D.

Isobel - posted on 09/24/2009

First of all...I've tried recycled toilet paper, it's not great but it's not pine cones...I do my best for the environment, I recycle religiously, I try to use environmentally friendly cleaners, I don't waste energy (or anything really), I think it's awesome that incandescent light bulbs are banned. But... I will move to an igloo and eat blubber if they let me keep my soft cushy toilet paper. ;)

Natalie - posted on 09/24/2009

And why exactly do you need soft, comfortable paper to wipe your behind?

Maleasha - posted on 09/24/2009

OMG!! I would love to see the politicians in Washington trying to use pine cones to wipe the sh** of their a****. What a bunch of nonsense.