FOX News, You are wrong

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

Media matters is bunk - whatever.

ME - posted on 09/21/2009

Thank you Caroline for posting that link from media matters!

Caroline - posted on 09/21/2009

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009090...

Caroline - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Brenda:

Quoting Caroline:

Quoting Brenda:

The Tea Parties have not been 'promoted' by Fox News. Fox News was just reporting on the organization of the tea parties, the town hall meetings etc. The town hall meetings are largely responsible for the huge mass of people that showed up for the protest. People came because they couldn't get an honest word out of their politicians and don't like the fact that the govt is stupidly not listening to the people.

Actually, I beg to differ. 

 

Fox News has frequently aired segments encouraging viewers to get involved with "tea party" protests across the country, which the channel has often described as primarily a response to President Obama's fiscal policies. Specifically, Fox News has in dozens of instances provided attendance and organizing information for future protests, such as protest dates, locations and website URLs. Fox News websites have also posted information and publicity material for protests. Fox News hosts have repeatedly encouraged viewers to join them at several April 15 protests that they are attending and covering; during the April 6 of Glenn Beck, on-screen text characterized these events as "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties." Tea-party organizers have used the planned attendance of the Fox News hosts to promote their protests. Fox News has also aired numerous interviews with protest organizers. Moreover, Fox News contributors are listed as "Tea Party Sponsor[s]" on TaxDayTeaParty.com.

 

Read more about it:

 

http://mediamatters.org/reports/20090408...

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009082...

Those segments were advertising space paid for the organizations who were REALLY responsible.  They paid for the air time, the got their message out.  End of story.

Jenny - posted on 09/21/2009

Baloney, we've all seen the news clips. FOX was practically salivating over the tea parties. I know you agree with them but you're still wrong.

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Caroline:

Quoting Brenda:

The Tea Parties have not been 'promoted' by Fox News. Fox News was just reporting on the organization of the tea parties, the town hall meetings etc. The town hall meetings are largely responsible for the huge mass of people that showed up for the protest. People came because they couldn't get an honest word out of their politicians and don't like the fact that the govt is stupidly not listening to the people.

Actually, I beg to differ. 

 

Fox News has frequently aired segments encouraging viewers to get involved with "tea party" protests across the country, which the channel has often described as primarily a response to President Obama's fiscal policies. Specifically, Fox News has in dozens of instances provided attendance and organizing information for future protests, such as protest dates, locations and website URLs. Fox News websites have also posted information and publicity material for protests. Fox News hosts have repeatedly encouraged viewers to join them at several April 15 protests that they are attending and covering; during the April 6 of Glenn Beck, on-screen text characterized these events as "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties." Tea-party organizers have used the planned attendance of the Fox News hosts to promote their protests. Fox News has also aired numerous interviews with protest organizers. Moreover, Fox News contributors are listed as "Tea Party Sponsor[s]" on TaxDayTeaParty.com.

 

Read more about it:

 

http://mediamatters.org/reports/20090408...

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009082...

Those segments were advertising space paid for the organizations who were REALLY responsible.  They paid for the air time, the got their message out.  End of story.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

Why do you think FOX news is #1 in the ratings all the time? Because the conservatives have no where else to turn.

Jenny - posted on 09/21/2009

Isn't it strange that only one major media network is conservative and ALL others Liberal ;) Now if 45% of the population is conservative than that just doesn't add up. There's money to be made there, why aren't all the networks showing conservative bias?



BTW there's no way in hell you can deny Fox News is promoting the tea parties. They are doing it for soundbites and ratings. Don't believe for a second it is out of a sense of goodwill for the country or I have a bridge to sell you. They should have their license pulled or be denied using the word news unless they put entertainment in front of it. Journalists should be held to a strict level of integrity or they're out.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting dana:

Christa, who do you mean by ALL others?

CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, etc.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

I hope that is what EVERYONE tries to do. :-)

Dana - posted on 09/21/2009

Christa, who do you mean by ALL others?

Caroline - posted on 09/21/2009

I don't know about ALL others being liberal, can't say i've listen to them ALL! :) But I do agree that it is difficult to find non-biased reporting these days. But, that's why I employ the idea of critical literacy, I don't just take news at face value (not saying that anyone here does, just speaking generally), I often do my own research into topics and draw my own conclusions.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

It's not fair and unbiased, I don't disagree. There is no such thing in today's media. Everyone knows FOX is conservative, ALL others are liberal. It would be nice if they'd all just come clean.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

Yeah, and national one's promote national events.

Caroline - posted on 09/21/2009

And local news stations also promote events that do not coincide with a specific political agenda. Fox has very obvious right leanings, yet it touts itself as being fair and balanced and non-biased in it's reporting.

Amie - posted on 09/21/2009

Christa they were pointing out the fallacy in Brenda's statement.

Dana - posted on 09/21/2009

LOCAL news stations promote LOCAL events.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

So what? Like I said events of all kinds are constantly promoted by news stations.

Dana - posted on 09/21/2009

It's promotion, plain and simple. Cut and dry.

Caroline - posted on 09/21/2009

I'm not saying they organized them, but they are definitely promoting them, not just reporting on them.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

That may be true, but our local new stations put up links to community events etc. all the time. Isn't that the job of a news station to get information to the people who want it?



Just because they provided information doesn’t mean they organized it. It means the people who organized it used Fox news to reach others who might share the same values and wants to get involved.

Caroline - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Brenda:

The Tea Parties have not been 'promoted' by Fox News. Fox News was just reporting on the organization of the tea parties, the town hall meetings etc. The town hall meetings are largely responsible for the huge mass of people that showed up for the protest. People came because they couldn't get an honest word out of their politicians and don't like the fact that the govt is stupidly not listening to the people.

Actually, I beg to differ. 

Fox News has frequently aired segments encouraging viewers to get involved with "tea party" protests across the country, which the channel has often described as primarily a response to President Obama's fiscal policies. Specifically, Fox News has in dozens of instances provided attendance and organizing information for future protests, such as protest dates, locations and website URLs. Fox News websites have also posted information and publicity material for protests. Fox News hosts have repeatedly encouraged viewers to join them at several April 15 protests that they are attending and covering; during the April 6 of Glenn Beck, on-screen text characterized these events as "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties." Tea-party organizers have used the planned attendance of the Fox News hosts to promote their protests. Fox News has also aired numerous interviews with protest organizers. Moreover, Fox News contributors are listed as "Tea Party Sponsor[s]" on TaxDayTeaParty.com.

Read more about it:

http://mediamatters.org/reports/20090408...

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

The Tea Parties have not been 'promoted' by Fox News. Fox News was just reporting on the organization of the tea parties, the town hall meetings etc. The town hall meetings are largely responsible for the huge mass of people that showed up for the protest. People came because they couldn't get an honest word out of their politicians and don't like the fact that the govt is stupidly not listening to the people.

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

Amie - sorry if I omitted putting 'generally speaking'. I quoted you so others knew exactly where I was picking up the thread.

And thanks, Christa. I'm glad you know me well enough to realize that it was an honest mistake.

ME - posted on 09/21/2009

...but the Tea Parties have been promoted by Fox all summer...everyone knows what they are about. They've been covered on local news, world news, and cable news for months...we get it, you don't like the president's programs, or spending policies, and you think that one more cent is going to mean the ruination of our once great nation...we get it...you don't want your hard earned cash handed to lazy bums who refuse to work jobs that will get them sufficient health insurance, and not only that but you think that's just one socialist program too far (afterall, we've already got police, fire, mail, schools, medicare, medicaid, etc., why should we have health insurance too?)...we get it...of course, we think you're wrong about all of it, but we understand your position. I don't think that covering these couple thousand people in DC for 24 hours straight was necessary either. We knew why they were there...seeing the pictures, and hearing from many of the protest attendees SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY was enough, infact, it was nausiatingly sufficient. We saw plenty of the protest and people who attended from all of the news agencies...Fox lied, I know that you all know that, and it certainly doesn't matter if you are willing to admit it or not...it's the truth...fox should try it some time.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

I can see why you feel that way, I'm just saying how I think she meant it. Obviously I can't speak for her, but I know sometimes on here intent can get lost.

Amie - posted on 09/21/2009

Christa when you reply directly to someone you are talking to them. Unless a person says " I'm using you as a general term" it is a personal attack on that person and their knowledge.

Christa - posted on 09/21/2009

Amie, I don't think Brenda was saying anything about your information level. She disagreed with your opinion and then said if they had covered the event better people would have understood why people were protesting in the first place instead of just painting them as wackos. I think the you in her last statement was a general you, not at you specifically. That's how I took it anyway.

ME - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Brenda:

Attack the person instead of the argument =classic liberal tactic.

Actually...Brenda, that's a classic tactic of ALL politicians...politicians speak in rhetoric all of the time...it's up to Americans/informed citizens to do some research and make sure that they aren't simply repeating it.

Amie - posted on 09/21/2009

Right Brenda because again...
Canadians have no education.
We have no access to everything you guys have access too.
We do not know how to look up information.
We do not know how to decipher what is being said.

Maybe stop making assumptions about me not being informed.

Because I DO NOT AGREE does not mean I am not informed.

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Brenda:

Attack the person instead of the argument =classic liberal tactic.

Was Fox wrong in printing that ad? I would say yes. Is the network slanted to the right? Possibly, but they gave the event the coverage it required due to the sheer size of it.

I wouldn't say a 5 minute blurb about the protest would be 'fair' or 'adequate' on CNN's part (especially since they chose to focus on the race issues). Come on! It was the biggest protest in YEARS.

What?! Attack the person? Now what are you talking about?

 

As for your facetious comment. Heaven forbid the other news agencies keep rolling on with the news right? Not like there isn't other things going on in the states, more over the world, than the tea party marches. They kept going back all day long to see how things were going. I'd say that's a pretty fair way to do things.It's not like it needs constant coverage. People know it's going on. What's the point of sitting there all day and listening to a bunch of people gripe? Everyone knows why they are there it did not need a 24/7 feed. It got highlighted through out the day. It's called real journalism.

 

Now if it had been something like a terrorist attack or world peace was suddenly declared or the president was assasinated. Something like THAT would deserve 24/7 coverage. A protest does not.

That is your opinion.  I personally think it is just as newsworthy as either a terrorist attack, etc.  People of a country rising up, using their 1st amendment rights, against a corrupt government warrants a larger portion of time than what the other news channels gave it.  It would have been fair if they televised all the speeches that were given.  Then maybe you would have half a clue as to why it even took place. 

Maleasha - posted on 09/21/2009

When is CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS ever right?

Krista - posted on 09/21/2009

When is FOX news ever right?

Amie - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Brenda:

Attack the person instead of the argument =classic liberal tactic.

Was Fox wrong in printing that ad? I would say yes. Is the network slanted to the right? Possibly, but they gave the event the coverage it required due to the sheer size of it.

I wouldn't say a 5 minute blurb about the protest would be 'fair' or 'adequate' on CNN's part (especially since they chose to focus on the race issues). Come on! It was the biggest protest in YEARS.

What?! Attack the person? Now what are you talking about?

As for your facetious comment. Heaven forbid the other news agencies keep rolling on with the news right? Not like there isn't other things going on in the states, more over the world, than the tea party marches. They kept going back all day long to see how things were going. I'd say that's a pretty fair way to do things.It's not like it needs constant coverage. People know it's going on. What's the point of sitting there all day and listening to a bunch of people gripe? Everyone knows why they are there it did not need a 24/7 feed. It got highlighted through out the day. It's called real journalism.

Now if it had been something like a terrorist attack or world peace was suddenly declared or the president was assasinated. Something like THAT would deserve 24/7 coverage. A protest does not.

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

I was being facetious - ie "not taken literally", in regards to the total amount of time.

Dana - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Brenda:

Attack the person instead of the argument =classic liberal tactic.

Was Fox wrong in printing that ad? I would say yes. Is the network slanted to the right? Possibly, but they gave the event the coverage it required due to the sheer size of it.

I wouldn't say a 5 minute blurb about the protest would be 'fair' or 'adequate' on CNN's part (especially since they chose to focus on the race issues). Come on! It was the biggest protest in YEARS.

CNN didn't give a 5 minute blurb, maybe you should check your facts.

Brenda - posted on 09/21/2009

Attack the person instead of the argument =classic liberal tactic.

Was Fox wrong in printing that ad? I would say yes. Is the network slanted to the right? Possibly, but they gave the event the coverage it required due to the sheer size of it.

I wouldn't say a 5 minute blurb about the protest would be 'fair' or 'adequate' on CNN's part (especially since they chose to focus on the race issues). Come on! It was the biggest protest in YEARS.

Dana - posted on 09/19/2009

Maleasha, I'm really surprised you posted this video. I watched it and thought that CNN gave a pretty good platform for Joe Wierzbicki to explain that not all of the people marching were crazy. That they don't agree with some of the crap that is being said. I also saw plenty of signs shown but, yes they did talk about one of the most offensive ones.



Did you really not see any of that?

Maleasha - posted on 09/19/2009

Ok, Gina may have brought up the racist thing, but she has a valid point. CNN did cover the march on DC, but they did it in a manner that made it look like all the people that were there, were racist. Yes, FOX lied. There are crazy people on both sides, but if you're going to report the news, do it in an unbiased view. CNN is bitching about FOX putting out an untruthful ad and yet they can report that the march was racist? That is untruthful and don't go pointing out other peoples mistakes, when they have so clearly made some themselves.

Amie - posted on 09/19/2009

Why is it that every time something is posted that clearly is NOT racist, prejudice or hating on the opposition it gets turned into that?

Do any of you actually sit and go ok how can I skew this so it makes me look like an OK person?
Can you not just agree that there are crazy friggin people out there? ON BOTH SIDES.
Can you not just concede that YES FOX LIED?

Why does it always have to come down to we're being labeled racists, we're being labeled redneck nut jobs, waaaaaaaaaaahh.

Stop and actually read a few of these posts and you'll see that it was not a even a liberal thinker who brought up racism. It was Gina. /:)

Maleasha - posted on 09/19/2009

First of all, FOX was wrong for printing that ad. Second, absolutely no news station is unbiased. When reporting the news, I believe that stations should remain unbiased, but we all know that they don't. None of them! In fact, here's CNN and their so obvious biased view on the TEA Party.



Yes, there were some posters in the crowd in Washington that were not appropriate, but CNN chose to report on only the very few racist posters out of the hundreds of thousands of other appropriate, non-racial posters that were there. Tell me, how is this not biased?

Mary and Laura, I'm pretty sure that if I or any other conservative really gave a crap, we could probably point out plenty of personal flaws in liberals, but as I said, none of really give a crap about what flaws you have, we only give a crap about the flaws in the current administrations policies. And I didn't see crazy, racist, rednecks at the march, I saw concerned Americans exercising their freedom to speak up and voice their concerns.

Laura - posted on 09/19/2009

Ahhh yes here we are again! Yet another thread about the racist republicans! How refreshingly new! Alright, every group has their crazy loons. It is appartently the media's job to focus on these people and call them the norm. If individual citizens can't see far enough past the end of their nose to see the real people with the real concerns then there really isn't a whole lot of hope of any kind of understanding is there.

Isobel - posted on 09/19/2009

If they don't want to be portrayed as a bunch of crazy, racist, rednecks, they should stop acting like a bunch of crazy, racist, rednecks.

ME - posted on 09/19/2009

Actually...those people were racist rednecks, but that wasn't their only problem. They were also clearly misinformed, didn't know the definition of the things they were accusing the pres. of, didn't understand ANY of the things they claimed to be against, etc. You can't have an intelligent discussion with people who don't know what they are talking about...so, you totally wrong Traci. While CNN also pointed out the personal flaws in these people, and that might have been unnecessary, CNN also had a valid argument...

Traci - posted on 09/19/2009

Wow, Gina, that sounds just like what Mary was saying....attack the person instead of the argument. That's been what has been happening since he's been in office! We didn't like the stimulus package because we are racists, we don't like the healthcare package because we are racists, we don't like cap and trade because we are racists. Never mind the fact that so many caucasion people in congress are aligned with Obama, never mind the fact that none of these policies actually COME FROM him since he's letting Pelosi (and the Apollo Alliance and other special interests) write the bills.....they gotta change the subject somehow, I guess. You know, I've got to admit, I've always hated old Italian grandmothers pumped full of Botox.....lol

Isobel - posted on 09/19/2009

Quoting Traci:

Well, the only other thing to say is pretty obvious....whoever decided to put that ad out was wrong in their facts. Someone in their ADVERTISING department, not in their NEWSROOM.

Since I am studying marketing...The marketing department (not advertising-they get no say in anything) is in constant contact with the top of the corporation.  It is their job to ensure that the message the corporation wants to send is receieved.

The correct message was sent...it is exactly what their viewers want to hear...they just got called on it.

ME - posted on 09/19/2009

Quoting Traci:

Quoting Mary:

Wow! Thank goodness for R. Sanchez...I don't watch CNN much, but I'm glad someone finally had the guts to stand up to the Fox network, and explain their jobs to them!

I'd bet Jeffrey Smuzinick doesn't share your "thank goodness for R. Sanchez" sentiments.....

I think I pointed this out in another thread, but this is called the ad hominem fallacy....for those of you who don't speak latin, that means attacking the person instead of the argument. Other than to tell you your point is irrelevant, I can't possibly respond to such garbage.

Amie - posted on 09/18/2009

I'm not skipping over any facts. He never said ok FOX newsroom, he said FOX news.. the company.

Point A -------> Point B. Straight line of logic.

Traci - posted on 09/18/2009

Okay...just go ahead and skip over that....the fact that an advertising section of the company and the newsroom are two differnt things....whatever.

So, a few years back when CNN had run ads promoting Paula Zahn as SEXY and there was a whole bruhaha about it, their newsroom, rather than their advertising dept. should have been held responsible for that, too.

Amie - posted on 09/18/2009

Regardless, they work for the same company. It's called FOX news. They still got it wrong and it's still hilarious. =D