Glen Beck's rhetoric leads to attempted murder of progressives...

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Jenny - posted on 08/02/2010

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While Beck can't be directly blamed for people's decision he is fostering the environment of crazy. He's helping to perpetuate the paranoia and he's giving them a direction to focus it in. Then this asshat sits back and acts like he's just an entertainer, not a journalist so he has zero accountability. It's very dangerous. This is gonna boil over soon and it's going to get bloody.

Kelly - posted on 08/03/2010

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Eh, I don't think Rachel Maddow has the base to spark much of anything. From the clips I've seen, all she does is make fun of conservatives, and try to downplay the message they are trying to convey. Now THAT is something I see here all the time.......

I admire Diane for her passion and conviction. I also share her frustration with the way things tend to disintegrate when we try to discuss actual issues. It doesn't matter if a conservative brings up a good point, it is completely overlooked. Some people seem to prefer to make assumptions, call names and take things completely out of context. (The post Gianina made comes to mind)

I am not saying it is a one way street, I am just as guilty of taking the low road in the past. All I am saying is that it seems to be the running theme lately. I do think Diane is right on with this statement:
"The truth is there are two sides who disagree on life, freedom and what the pursuit of happiness really is. The space between worldviews have become so wide that….compromise seems out of the question. It comes down to belief in the fundamental principles of life."

Really what it is going to come down to in the next election is what the MAJORITY believes. I guess we will find out then if there are more that lean to the left or the right.

I honestly am getting sick of being labeled insane, crazy, a Nazi, etc. because of how I think. If someone can find a post where we repeatedly talk about the loons on the left, tree-hugging kool-aid drinkers, or something of the like please do bring it to my attention. It is one thing to share dislike of a political figure. It is quite another to continue to call other women names and insinuate that they are crazy or insane because they think differently than you. I am not singling anyone out, and again I know that in the past it has happened on both sides. Maybe it is just more noticeable now because the conservatives on this board can be counted on one hand.

I actually have to say I am somewhat shocked that Diane has stuck around after some of the things that have been said to her. I can't blame her at all for having her back up against the wall at this point. I hope we can all put on our big girl panties and try to make an effort to debate like adults, without attacking personally. It is one thing to disagree with a statement and share facts or points that show the other side. It is quite another to disintegrate into calling people insane, accuse them of being racists, or residents of crazyland. I think things in my head ALL THE TIME about some of the people here, but I don't type it out because it wouldn't solve anything.

I guess what I am saying is can't we all just grow up and get back on track? If you want to slam Beck, or Hannity, or Obama, or Pelosi great. Just try to keep the low blows and stupid personal attacks out of the threads. Pretty please????

Jenny - posted on 08/04/2010

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Yes but the reason his polls are falling is because he's not doing ENOUGH, not because he's not following the Conservative agenda. It's because he's being a yellowbelly towards big business. People have had enough of the garbage and they really thought things were going to change hard and fast.

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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I stole this from Yahoo answers:



I'll give you a sample, based on 10-15 mins of research.

He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he 'checked'.
He either did not check or checked up his arsegraped butt because he's lying. John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn't even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pinot

Beck lie.

Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.

Beck lie.

Of course, we all know about him being called out as a liar by Whoopi and Barbara Walters.

I only did a few minutes' reserach, as I said...but it's quite clear that Beck is exposed as a liar.

My favourite though, is Beck going on about how compassionate he'd become after being failed by the expensive private health system last year when he got his dangling arsegrapes removed, said he was all suicidal...boo hoo...and only a couple of weeks ago screamed like an effete banshee at a woman on his radio show.

Edit: I was having such fun looking at what a liar Glenn Beck is I thought I'd find some more:

In June Beck lied when he said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/

Ooopsie doodle, Beck lie.

Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
This one is so good I'll just give you the link:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

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ME - posted on 08/08/2010

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I saw that thread too Laura...it made me vomit...a lot...He makes me physically ill on a weekly basis, and I know he doesn't deserve the position of power that he has obtained through lies and manipulation...when will the right figure out that they are being played by this psychopath???

Rosie - posted on 08/08/2010

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couldn't agree more laura! they need to have him fired. was it ever proven that rather knew he was broadcasting forged documents? or did he claim he didn't know? either way something should've happened to him, but why isn't anything happening to mr beck who LIES everytime he opens his mouth. he's deliberately misleading the american people with his portrayal of a reporter. definitely something needs to be done about him.
in case you can't tell, the man makes me want to gouge my eyes out and then eat my own vomit. makes me CRAZY with anger at what he does to this country. i went trolling on the republican forum on COM, and there was a thread started about whether or not glenn beck should run for president, and 99% of them thought it was the best idea ever. he's lied his way into their lives so much that they actually want him to be president. i think i would take sarah palin over that asshat anyday of the week.

Isobel - posted on 08/08/2010

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which is exactly what should've happened...when exactly are the Fox reporters going to be asked to leave?

Kat - posted on 08/08/2010

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Kati : In 2005, Rather left the anchor position amidst controversy and a credibility crisis over reports broadcast in the heat of the 2004 Presidential election campaign. The report was a September 2004 60 Minutes Wednesday segment questioning President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard record. Conservatives challenged the authenticity of the Killian documents used for the report. A number of bloggers analyzed scans of the documents, and rapidly concluded the documents were forgeries. Subsequently, CBS commissioned an independent inquiry into the matter and several CBS staffers were fired or asked to resign. (from wikipedia)

he basically passed off forged docs that said "oh W was never in the national guard or whatever" as real, wanted them to be true, and so never bothered to check the facts before reporting on it. it all happened when Kerry's so-called military "heroism" was exposed as fraudulent. it was basically bad journalism

Isobel - posted on 08/06/2010

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me too...but I will state that there is a difference between doing all of your homework and factchecking to find out a story later turns out differently than everybody thought than openly flaunting the fact that you don't feel the need to look into whether or not any of your facts are true or false

Rosie - posted on 08/06/2010

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in all seriousness, i'm not being fasecous (sp?) i never heard about the dan rather thing. what did he do?

Diane - posted on 08/06/2010

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"I think that on-air personalities have every right to tell their opinion of THE FACTS...I don't think that they have the right to out-right lie."

Then you think Dan Rather was a liar and wrong then too, right?

Isobel - posted on 08/06/2010

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I have a feeling that this thread will be left to the crickets now anyway ;P

Isobel - posted on 08/06/2010

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I think that on-air personalities have every right to tell their opinion of THE FACTS...I don't think that they have the right to out-right lie.

Krista - posted on 08/06/2010

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Anyhoodle, sorry -- I steered us off-topic. My bad.

/goes to stand in corner.

So yes, Glenn Beck...frankly I think the guy is basically a snake-oil salesman, and while I think he has the right to remain on air, it distresses me to see how many people take as gospel every single word that comes out of his mouth.

Rosie - posted on 08/05/2010

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don't go knocking pro-wrestling now!! my somewhat crazy husband will have to give you the "peoples elbow", lol!! my second child is named after the CEO of WWE vincent mcmahon. chad tried for vincent kennedy (mr mcmahons middle name), i though that was taking it to far so it was vincent michael anthony brown :)

ME - posted on 08/05/2010

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Fox News and Pro-Wrestling...now there's an analogy for you!!! I LOVE IT!!!

Pamela - posted on 08/05/2010

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Yeah Laura. I mean our governor of MN, Jesse Ventura, was a pro wrestler guy! And a doofus too!

Krista - posted on 08/05/2010

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Here, now. There is NO need to start bashing pro wrestling, woman!

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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You know what else I don't understand? Every time somebody on the left mentions the lies on FOX, they respond by telling us how high their ratings are.

Being followed by millions of people doesn't make you right...Pro Wrestling has tons of followers too, doesn't make it a real sport.

Pamela - posted on 08/05/2010

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Katie and Laura. You are my heroes. Thanks for those links and the list of lies Mr. Beck has spoken.

Because of Becks influence on so many people, he should be far more responsible in what he says on national TV. I have no respect for this guy (other than for his humanity - like if he were hungry and needed food and water, I'd give it to him) on the basis that what he spews is bunk. Unadulterated bunkola granola. And he is so unrepentant about it. He's still harping on Sherrod being a terrible racist when the video that FOX showed - over and over again was totally edited and false.

I would not ever defend this guy, regardless of my politics.

Rosie - posted on 08/05/2010

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i also found video of him putting fake tears in his eyes. you know for his famous "heartfelt" "patriotic" and oh so "american" fear mongering.

it was for a photo shoot, but still-who fake cries for a photo shoot?. the man makes me want to puke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m692Tqbnb...

Rosie - posted on 08/05/2010

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glen becks lies: that the black panthers were not prosecuted under the obama administration.

TRUTH: under the BUSH administration they were not prosecuted, under the obama administration there was a civil trial (that's all that could be done thanks to BUSH) and it was won.

LIE: ACORN is helping people smuggle illegal underage girls in for prostitution, all while the people asking for the underage girls were dressed as a pimp and prostitute.

TRUTH: they weren't dressed that way, AND the guy called his cop cousin afterward, after he got as much info from them as he could. pretty much the whole video was a big fat lie. beck spead this lie over and over again.

LIE: the government will have access to all of your computer files if you access Cars.gov for the cash for clunkers program.

TRUTH: that is false. mr beck quoted the security message on the site for dealers, not the general public. and while mr beck stated that this would happen if the dealer went there, he also spouted off about how they shouldn't access this website at home.

LIE: under the new bill, not having health insurance will result in people being jailed.

TRUTH: you will face a tax penalty, not jail time

LIE: he's claimed he has never attacked anybody's family before until he did it with malia obama.

TRUTH: made comments about michelles breasts, made comments about obamas aunt with a gimpy leg, saying he took her cane from her earlier. he also made comments about his father and mother and how his father left him to go off and be a communist, and his mother leaving him with his grandparents and how horrible she was for doing that, and how it must have affected baracks psyche.

i could go on and on diane. pretty much EVERYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth is distorted or a downright lie. nazi this, marxist that, commies are abound!! is completely retarded, not to mention a lie, and that's all you ever hear come out of his mouth! he even had to lie about the way barbara walters treated him on a train-just to incite more hate for the left. he's a fearmongering lying SNAKE of a man. you want you proof, look at any video he's ever made and i guarantee the man has lied, stretched the truth, or fearmongered something out of proportion at least once every episode.

~Jennifer - posted on 08/05/2010

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You know - if you think me telling you to get off your ass and do something about it [sic] is an attack ....there's no point in even bothering with this.
Here's a hint, Diane.....I TAKE NOTHING YOU SAY INTO ACCOUNT (I've said this before) because you've already stated on another forum that you come here simply to 'blow off steam'....so, I'm blowing back. If you are self-admittedly here to antagonize, I'm more than happy to oblige and send it right back to you. Nothing anyone says to you gets 'in'....so why be serious anymore? It's POINTLESS.
No one needs to have any respect for your opinions when you've openly stated that you have no respect for anyone here, or anything they say. Give to get, Diane.
Have a great day.
=)

ME - posted on 08/05/2010

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"I am giving a comment that was made on a public forum. I did not attack her she attacked me. And I am asking a legitimate question using examples and trying to define….just how far someone can go."

I was not referring to Jen with this comment, I was referring to the logical fallacy you committed when you changed the subject to talk about a different commentator. I answered that question...all people who incite people to commit violent actions based on lies (like GB) should be held accountable. Attacking commentators on the left for doing the same thing means nothing in a Debate about whether or not Beck should be held accountable for his actions.

ME - posted on 08/05/2010

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So Mary you tell me what the difference is. …pretend you do not know her…would your answer be different? Was I being encouraged?

The difference is, Jenn (pretending for a second that I don't know what she was actually saying) was talking to one person in an online debate forum, and GB is a "professional" news agent with the ear of millions...you HONESTLY cannot see the difference in that??? I'm not sure I feel up to explaining it to you...

ME - posted on 08/05/2010

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Or did you say it just to get a rise out of me? Well couldnt Beck be doing the same thing?

absolutely, and THAT is the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sara - posted on 08/05/2010

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Honestly, I don't think Obama is any less qualified that GW was, or Bill Clinton. He got the shit end of the stick with the economy taking a big dump as he got elected, as well as the status of the wars. I think that no matter who was in office, be it a Dem or Rep, they would have low approval ratings right now.

Diane - posted on 08/05/2010

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What is untrue?.......No one gives specifics.

"Yes but the reason his polls are falling is because he's not doing ENOUGH, not because he's not following the Conservative agenda. It's because he's being a yellowbelly towards big business. People have had enough of the garbage and they really thought things were going to change hard and fast."

His polls are low because people can't identify with him anymore. I do not care what you say...people do not want the government telling them what health care they have to have. People do not want this and all polls show it. The people are getting sick and tired of their leaders not representing them in Washington. They do not care what we think about anything. WE PUT THEM IN OFFICE AND THEY OWE US.
Obama also has made some bad decisions...like not prosecuting the Black Panthers...He was late in to help BP oil....and people do not like how he handled the borders.He unconstitutionally took over the auto industry...and now he is trying to gain control of the internet. He promised the minute he got in office that the war would end and now we have record numbers of our servicemen and woman being killed. He has been in office almost two years and although Bush did a lot of things wrong towards the end....you cant blame Bush anymore...people are sick of excuses. His party is in trouble come November and he will have to act fast if he wants to keep the seats. Appearing on The View is not going to gain confidence of the People.

People do not want big government telling them how to run their lives...and that is exactly what we are getting.

He is not doing enough...because he is unqualified and has no idea...what is going on.

Johnny - posted on 08/04/2010

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LOL @ Glenn Beck. My husband is fully and completely convinced that he's really a comedian doing a routine. He says that no one could say things that are so utterly absurd, ridiculous, and untrue and be serious. I've tried to tell him, but he just shakes his head and laughs.

Pamela - posted on 08/04/2010

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And Jen - I think you hit the nail on the head regarding the pres's dropping popularity. He isn't doing enough, fast enough.

We're Americans - we like our cars fast, our food fast, and our politiking really fast...

Pamela - posted on 08/04/2010

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http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/04/...

Yep Diane you are correct. Obama's ratings are down to 44% approval to 48% disapproval.

I have listened to Beck and he says some pretty loopy things. I really dislike him. I'm not always terribly fond of Keith Olbermann because he can be pretty mocking and disrespectful. I do enjoy Rachel however. When she interviews people, she actually listens and asks intelligent questions. Frankly, commentators and pundits irritate me. I'd rather go do some of my own reading and decide for myself what to think about whatever the subject is at hand.

Diane - posted on 08/04/2010

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Jenn said, “gee....."pick the fuckers off as they drive by" seems rather tame after that collection of quotes....”

The thing is you tried to incite me to do it. You said you were serious. Your quote has nothing to do with Beck…you suggested I kill.

Or did you say it just to get a rise out of me? Well couldnt Beck be doing the same thing?

Laura said, “ If you believed what Glen Beck was saying in all of these statements...if you were literally being attacked, taking rocks to the head, being taken to be slaughtered...what would you consider "Hold these people responsible." to mean?”

I rarely watch Beck I really think he tells the truth...but I just dont care to watch his theatrics... so I can’t say I have heard him say any of these things. He just is over the top emotionally.

But does he incite violence....?

Mary said this…“Diane...it doesn't matter who is inciting violence - IT IS A CRIME.”

You say Beck committed a crime…then did Jenn commit a crime when she told me ….” why not just get a good rifle and pick the fuckers off as they drive by?” followed by “I was being serious - go out and DO something about it rather than sit on your computer and WHINE about the injustice of it all. I believe the term for that these days is "Slacktivist."”

Whats the difference really…apart that you all like Jenn and will go to bat for her no matter what she says..So I am sure I won’t get honesty here.

IMO this was a horrendous statement for anyone to make…it certainly warranted more than a warning, if she even got that. But the powers that be, you know could not find it in their hearts to act on it.

So Mary you tell me what the difference is. …pretend you do not know her…would your answer be different? Was I being encouraged?

“In fact, attacking other people and changing the subject is a logical fallacy, and usually proof that the person arguing has no real point to make.”

I am giving a comment that was made on a public forum. I did not attack her she attacked me. And I am asking a legitimate question using examples and trying to define….just how far someone can go. Did Beck mean it? He is a public figure….Did Jenn mean it? Not a public figure. Should both be held accountable should some act of violence occur?

kristaE said, “And I wouldn't go so far as to say that your post hit a nerve. I was just baffled, because the discussion seemed pretty calm, and then you came in here guns a-blazing.”

I had a right to defend myself against the attack. It is too bad you still after all this can’t see it. It’s calm to you because you are on the side of many. I am often times the only one here representing an opposing view. If you think I should sit back and play possum ….I think you know me better than that.

Krista said, “I did notice, however, that you ignored the rest of my comment about Rasmussen. I don't give a sweet damn about whether a poll goes in Obama's favour or not.”

No I did not. You excused all the polls I gave. You demeaned Rasmussen. Like I said, if the tables were turned and they all backed up Obama…..then they would be legitimate sources of proof that backs up Obama. Go to Gallup and the numbers are similar. Or isn’t Gallup credible either? You always defend Obama.

Gallup says Obamas approval rates……47 % disapprove
“President Obama's job approval rating averaged 88% among blacks and 38% among whites in July, a 50-percentage-point difference that has been consistent in recent months but is much larger than in the initial months of the Obama presidency. Obama's job approval ratings among blacks, whites, and Hispanics in July are all at their lowest levels to date, although the overwhelming majority of blacks still approve.”

You look at all the polls and his approval rates are at their lowest…under 50%.

Krista - posted on 08/04/2010

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Oh obviously Glenn Beck isn't the only one out there pulling this kind of crap. But he is definitely one of the more egregious ones, and he IS the subject of the topic...

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2010

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Never heard of the man...when the opinion stuff comes on, I switch to Hannah Montana ;P

I only hear the Glen Beck stuff cause people post it but I don't think he's alone.

Kelly - posted on 08/04/2010

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So what exactly is the difference between Glen Beck, and say Ed Schultz? I swear to God they are one in the same, just on opposite sides of the spectrum. Is it just because Glen Beck is more successful? Higher ratings? I have attempted to listen to Schultz, and I just can't stand it for more than a couple of minutes. The man is a pig and a disgrace. Is that why he is so much behind the fairness doctrine, because he is jealous that Beck and Limbaugh have more of an audience?

Krista - posted on 08/04/2010

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No, I agree with you there, Kat. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Glenn Beck is not going to force anybody to do anything.

That being said, I don't think that Glenn Beck makes any sort of positive contribution to the public discourse. I think that he is a fearmonger, and that it is irresponsible of him to exaggerate, lie, and speculate all in the name of ginning up fear and ratings. He's not responsible for bad things happening, but he does prey upon peoples' fears, and I honestly don't know how he looks at himself in the mirror, doing what he does.

Kat - posted on 08/04/2010

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the people who are impressionable enough to do any harm to progressives or leftists because of glen beck are the same people who played super mario bros and were mad when the plumber they called didnt turn out to be a fat italian man in red overalls.

saying "glen beck made me kill this person" is like killing someone and blaming on grand theft auto or the family dog. i think people are quick to lay blame instead of taking the blame on themselves. the problem here isnt glen beck, it's the person's psychological problems that are the problem. people need to stop blaming glen beck for everything.

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2010

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speaking of my "nasty characterization" of the right...was it not you, Diane, who called liberalism A DISEASE?

~Jennifer - posted on 08/04/2010

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"Glen Beck is also inciting riots by telling the people who watch his show that the "left" are coming for them with words like ""The clock is ticking. . . . The war is just beginning. . . . Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. . . . You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head. . . . The other side is attacking. . . . There is a coup going on. . . . Grab a torch! . . . Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers. . . . They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered. . . . They are putting a gun to America's head. . . . Hold these people responsible." "

gee....."pick the fuckers off as they drive by" seems rather tame after that collection of quotes....

=)

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2010

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I have already been spoken to by the admin, and I publicly apologized for my statement. I would now like an apology for every time Diane has made inflammatory comments about "the left" (since apparently according to AMERICAN politics, I am a member of the left...to the rest of the world I am a centrist, but I'm sure this has nothing to do with any movement of "the right" in America.



since we are now being specific and no longer making sweeping generalizations.



Yes, the NEW Black Panther Party were inciting riots...and should not be allowed to stand outside of voting booths with sticks (we ALL agreed about that I thought).



Glen Beck is also inciting riots by telling the people who watch his show that the "left" are coming for them with words like ""The clock is ticking. . . . The war is just beginning. . . . Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. . . . You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head. . . . The other side is attacking. . . . There is a coup going on. . . . Grab a torch! . . . Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers. . . . They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered. . . . They are putting a gun to America's head. . . . Hold these people responsible."



Nobody is coming for "the right", they are not going to "shoot him in the head, the war is not "beginning" , The other side is not "attacking" You don't need to "prepare to take rocks to the head" (unless of course you commit a felony in a country that endorses that kind of thing...and I don't think you do), Nobody is taking you to be "slaughtered"



If you believed what Glen Beck was saying in all of these statements...if you were literally being attacked, taking rocks to the head, being taken to be slaughtered...what would you consider "Hold these people responsible." to mean?





Glen Beck is behaving like a madman. period.

ME - posted on 08/04/2010

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Krista...thanks, I was going to start looking some of those lies up...but...now I don't have to!

Diane...it doesn't matter who is inciting violence - IT IS A CRIME...that was my point, and since this post is about Glen Beck, he's currently the only relevant individual inciter of violence. If these other people can be specifically linked to some crime by their words of encouragement for criminal behavior (like starting violent wars with the progressives) then they should also be held responsible. Stating that other people have done the same type of thing doesn't change what Beck has done, and is irrelevant to this conversation. In fact, attacking other people and changing the subject is a logical fallacy, and usually proof that the person arguing has no real point to make.

Krista - posted on 08/04/2010

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See, that's the clever thing about Beck, though. He phrases things as questions and as opinions, not as statements of fact, which allows him to shirk responsibility for his statements.

But here's one example of a lie: that 9/12 rally? Beck said that the crowd was around 1.7 million. The local fire department put the crowd at around 50,000. Did Beck bump up the numbers to make it look like he had a lot more support than he actually had?

Here are some others:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009021...
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009021...
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009072...
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/20090814003...
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009020...
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009082...

There are a few to start with.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say that your post hit a nerve. I was just baffled, because the discussion seemed pretty calm, and then you came in here guns a-blazing.

However, I can understand why you took offense at the statement that the entire right was headed for Crazyland. Laura has apologized, Kelly wrote a post about how we need to be more civil to each other, and I have agreed with her. I'm really not quite sure what else you wish me to say at this point.

I did notice, however, that you ignored the rest of my comment about Rasmussen. I don't give a sweet damn about whether a poll goes in Obama's favour or not. However, a very well-read expert on polling has concluded that Rasmussen phrases their questions in ways that skew their answers with a conservative bias. I am simply suggesting that if you wish to quote polls, and for them to be taken seriously, then you may want to look at something other than Rasmussen. Surely if Obama is as hugely unpopular as you imply, it'll also show up on Gallup, Quinnipiac, Zogby, Harris, Newsweek, Rutgers, Pew, or one of the dozens of other polling companies out there, no?

Diane - posted on 08/04/2010

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Krista E said, “Diane, take a breather. This thread so far has been very civil, so I don't know why you're all wound up and freaking out.”

Take a breather you say? No you take a breather Krista. I have been civil on here open your eyes and just look at how I am being attacked. You just do not get this do you? I mean come on do your job and try just ONCE….to see another side other than yours, theirs.

I thought my post was pretty creative…good food for thought. It hit a nerve obviously.

Mary said, “I'm afraid too Laura...Thinking I should really get on this looking for jobs in Canada thing...I DON'T exactly blame Beck for this guy going crazy, but I DO think he should be held responsible for the lies he tells...It is NOT legal to incite a riot in this country, and that is basically what he is doing!

What lies is he telling? You have just got to be kidding me?

What lies is Beck spreading? He has the right to freedom of speech for crying out loud. He is careful about what he says and makes sure that it is the truth…it just freaks and scares the LEFT because he exposes them.

You see you show a viewpoint here that is scary. You want him silenced. You obviously do not believe in free speech…at least for the RIGHT. The Left can say anything and it’s of course the truth.

I am just the opposite…I believe you and others like you should have free speech. I want Obama and Rev. Wright and even the Black Panthers to say whatever they want to say.


How is Beck inciting a riot? And if I might ask what acts of violence are going on today across the country…started and caused by the RIGHT? You know you ought to see what side is out of control downtown Arizona….picketing the law. It’s not the CONSERVATIVES…. It’s those on the LEFT. They are violent people and they are the ones getting arrested and shouting threatening things. They told those who favored the law to stay away because it was so violent. That is sad isn't it?

THIS SET ME OFF IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW.

Laura said,“ The right just keeps moving further and further into Crazyland...how do you argue with insanity?”

I am on the RIGHT. I am Conservative. I am a Republican. So she attacked me and she knew it. This is inciting a lively answer from me.

So do I have the right to address this attack? She called me insane.

I did not call anyone a name in that post did I?

Kati said, “i don't think he should be allowed to broadcast, all he does is lie, and stir up stuff that isn't true. people think he tells the truth, or that he's actually "news". far cry from it!”

Of course you don’t,

WHAT LIES IS HE TELLING……..? You just don’t like what he is exposing do you? But again you want conservatives silenced.

Not one of you addressed the information I posted……….why?

A new record HIGH……….. A new poll (Rassmussen) shows that 57% AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE THE NEW HEALTH CARE LAW. Other states are following Arizona’s lead in laws that allow police to do their jobs. Virginia…….jumped on board. Virginia also suing over the health care bill. 56% of New Yorkers want Health Care bill repealed. 59% polled support Arizona’s law. 56% of those polled in Colorado support Justice Department to take action against sanctuary cities. 68% support a border fence. Only 28% of Americans think we are headed in the right direction. 45% of pollers say the economy will be worse one year from today.

And many democrats do not even want to be seen with Obama right now during campaign season. New poll……..17% of Democrats do not want to be seen with him. PEOPLE WANT THE BORDERS TO BE SECURE…THEY WANT ILLEGALS OUT. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT OBAMAS HEALTH CARE.
Krista said,” Liberals aren't evil, for pete's sake, but you certainly wouldn't know it to listen to Glenn Beck.”

Oh aren’t they?

So……….the consensus here is that conservatives should be silenced, we/me are going down crazyland…we/me are insane…..and you say I can’t call liberals evil for saying this?
You are something else I tell ya.

Krista said, “And I think he knows exactly what he's doing. I think, like Rush Limbaugh, he doesn't believe half of the stuff that he says, but he knows his audience and he knows that fear and hatred make for fantastic ratings. So that's the meal he serves and people eat it up and ask for more.”

He does know what he is doing…..warning and educating people as to what this administration headed by Obama is doing. And if he were no threat……Obama would not hate him so much. He wants FOX shut down. He has tried..just like he is trying to take control the internet….make it a utility, so he can control it, tax it. Control the car industry, internet….etc…HE WANTS EVERYTHING.

You hate him don’t you? Believe me if people hated him they would not watch. If people did not want to learn something they would not watch. You know all those people your group calls insane headed towards Crazyland. LOL

And who is paranoid here?

I knew this was coming. LOL LOL I knew it I knew it.

“And Diane, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in Rasmussen.”

Of course not honey……only if the poll goes in Obamas favor…then its ok, right?

Sara said, “I'm not quite sure how he sleeps at night...probably in a mattress stuffed with 100 dollar bills, because I'm pretty sure that all he really cares about, the almighty dollar.”

HAHA………and who is the party of the rich? THE DEMOCRATS

Hey Kerry, bring your boat back and stop evading taxes. LOL


Now I know you gals will say I am racist for bringing this up but I have to, I am sure you understand.

And who is being charged with 13 ethics violations? That would be Rangel.
Anyone else? Maxine Waters…….has a little problem brewing as she is being charged also with ethic violations.

How do they sleep at night?

Kelly said, “Really what it is going to come down to in the next election is what the MAJORITY believes. I guess we will find out then if there are more that lean to the left or the right.’

You are right Kelly. But ya know what…does it matter what the majority want? Take….McCain in my state. He goes to Washington and never represents or represents the people in our state. We are for securing the borders and we all know that he has never in all the years he has been in office here…done a darn thing to do just that. He jumped the fence into Teddy Kennedys lap. McCain is leading in the polls as of today….it’s like people either are so ill educated about the candidates, they don’t know the issues or they just don’t care.

Kelly said, “ I honestly am getting sick of being labeled insane, crazy, a Nazi, etc. because of how I think.”

I am too and I am vocal about it…something this group does not like. Krista….thinks I am the one who should take a chill pill. ….Does she even read or comprehend anything that does on here?

Kelly said, “I actually have to say I am somewhat shocked that Diane has stuck around after some of the things that have been said to her.”

Thank you Kelly…I know I am not perfect and I have a mouth. I am passionate about the issues I care about. But I have never used profane language or attacked anyone on this board…like it has been done to me…and the fact that no one who is a moderator has done one thing about it really speaks volumes.

Krista said, “If we could keep that in mind and try to avoid those sweeping statements about each other, it would make for a much more civil community.’

I am trying to stop laughing here.....over that comment. Sweeping statements or personal attacks Krista?

And who are you addressing this too? I do not think this is possible…to much hatred coming from one side and directed towards me.

Mary….” As I said before, it IS a crime to incite violence in this country...I thought it was important to ALL of us that our laws are followed...I guess that only applies to SOME crimes though...like illegal immigration...inciting violence against progressives is just fine somehow? Because it's against progressives?”

Beck is not inciting violence…Do you think the Black panthers incite violence? Do you think Reverend Wright incited violence? Do you think when Bush was called Hitler by those on the LEFT, they incited violence? Do you think the protesters in my state are inciting violence?

If anything those on the RIGHT...are to laid back, so much so, that its no wonder things are what they are today.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT LIES BECK IS TELLING.
SPECIFICALLY LIST THEM.

Isobel - posted on 08/03/2010

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and before Freedom of Speech gets thrown in my face, people on the news don't have the freedom to say whatever they want...and if FOX wants to say they are a news station, they need to start GBs show with a disclaimer that says THIS SHOW IS FICTION.

Isobel - posted on 08/03/2010

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I apologize. I got swept up and I shouldn't have made a sweeping generalization like that.

I believe that Glenn Beck is crazy. I believe that Glenn Beck is dangerous, and that presenting lies and conspiracy theories as truth on a "news station" should be against the law.

Whether he claims himself to be an opinionist or not, people clearly don't know that and believe what he's saying to be the truth.

To be honest, I don't think HE even believes what he says, and he doesn't care about what happens to his country because of his inflammatory rhetoric so long as he is making more money.

LaCi - posted on 08/03/2010

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A little bit of positive

Diane said: " And I think people should start doing things to make an impact…of course in nonviolent ways. The race that McCain is running in my state is horrendously ugly. He is a lying snake and only says things to get elected and he is leading in the polls. I am sick of politicians and their lies and it is about time citizens toss them all out and start fresh."

I pretty much agree with that.


However,
"And the girls in the Black Panther debate in another conversation defend the Panthers……..BP’s words do nothing to threaten anyone. But they I am sure would think that Becks do and encourages violence."

I'm sure that was partially directed toward me, but again, I don't think anyone's words matter anymore than anyone else's, as I think I said before. Just like I don't feel the need to judge the NBP by a loon I saw in a video, I don't judge glenn beck, or anyone else, for some loon that wants to go on a shooting spree. Root of the problem: where are all these nuts coming from?


"I honestly am getting sick of being labeled insane, crazy, a Nazi, etc. because of how I think. If someone can find a post where we repeatedly talk about the loons on the left, tree-hugging kool-aid drinkers, or something of the like please do bring it to my attention."

I have yet to see anyone label you as any of the above, Kelly.

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I thought this post was about whether or not Beck can be held responsible for inciting violence...not sure where all of that other stuff came from. As I said before, it IS a crime to incite violence in this country...I thought it was important to ALL of us that our laws are followed...I guess that only applies to SOME crimes though...like illegal immigration...inciting violence against progressives is just fine somehow? Because it's against progressives?

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