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Johnny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Jenny:

Oh and I used unemployment twice while on mat leave with my kids. I will never feel bad about taking the time to spend their first year home with them.






Well, therein lies the problem.  You think you have a right to other's money.  The "me" generation is alive and well....





Here in Canada, all employed people (rich or poor) have the option of taking one year of paid maternity leave at 55% of their income.  For some people, their employers top up the benefit so that they receive 100% of their salary (often a negotiated benefit).  The only people who are excluded are those who have worked less than 600 hours in the previous year or those that are self-employed.  And the government is changing the provisions so that self-employed people will be covered.  (That would be our CONSERVATIVE government). Our EI (Employment Insurance) system is used to administrate maternity & parental leave.  We all pay into it throughout our employment.   Maternity leave is for the first 12 weeks and is for mothers or adoptive parents.  Parental leave is for the following 40 weeks and you can divide it between mom and dad if you choose, or just have one parent take it.   Every single one of my mommy friends and acquaintances has taken this time off, no matter their economic situation.  Here, we believe that the best place for a mother is at home taking care of her child for that first important year.  In my case, my employer was very supportive, and like all employers are required to do, they held my job for me.  Our society accepts this leave as normal and fiscally responsible.  Most Canadians are very proud of this system and more than happy to support it, since it builds strong and happy families.  That's what we like to call family values.

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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No, I have paid more into the EI system than I have used. I was accessing MY money.

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Jenny:

Oh and I used unemployment twice while on mat leave with my kids. I will never feel bad about taking the time to spend their first year home with them.



Well, therein lies the problem.  You think you have a right to other's money.  The "me" generation is alive and well....

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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I got government assistance at one point in my life and I am thankful it gave me the opoortunity to start new. It is resources we are providing for those who need them and there is no shame in needing help sometimes. Now let's help everyone get some health care!

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Practically eveyone in America is fat. It is also a fact that poor people in America are fat because they can't afford to eat healthier. I also agree with Jenny, it's ridiculous to blame the poor people for the financial decline of America.



I'm not only blaming them....I'm saying they are a 'special interest' just like the rich guys are.  They've got their boys out there fighting for things that are not theirs just the same as the corporate lobbyists do.  Healthcare.  Food.  Housing.  All those are things that can be supplied for THEMSELVES. 



60% of American kids recieve free or reduced school lunch or breakfast in America.  How ridiculous is that???  You cannot tell me that that many kids are starving at home.  That's a crock.  And ask the lunch ladies what the kids do with the "healthy" tax payer subsidized food these kids get....let me give you a hint....there's a whole lotta apples being thrown into the trash!!!  Why are we paying for that?  We are paying for it because some politician got elected on "kids never having to go hungry....(que the violins)"  To tell you the truth, I think we qualify for reduced lunch.  My kids are fine, they don't need it.  Why should I qualify for that?



If I can pay my own bills, why can't they?  Why can't their families?  The truth is many of these people can, but choose to take the lazy way out.  Man, why am I gonna go get a job at  (fill in the blank) when I can go to the gov't for it?  Why work?  Or better yet...why work HARD?  Some people are perfectly okay with lving that lifestyle and its our job to make them uncomfortable in their poverty.  You should be ashamed to get gov't assistance.  You are NOT entitled to the fruits of another's labor.  YOU are responsible for YOURSELF, I am not. 



 



What this all comes down to is....does a person have the right to his own property and earnings?  Who are we to tell someone they make too much or have too much?  The gall of it is just astounding to me.   

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Sara - posted on 10/28/2009

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Quoting Carol:



Quoting Traci:




Quoting Jenny:

Oh and I used unemployment twice while on mat leave with my kids. I will never feel bad about taking the time to spend their first year home with them.








Well, therein lies the problem.  You think you have a right to other's money.  The "me" generation is alive and well....









Here in Canada, all employed people (rich or poor) have the option of taking one year of paid maternity leave at 55% of their income.  For some people, their employers top up the benefit so that they receive 100% of their salary (often a negotiated benefit).  The only people who are excluded are those who have worked less than 600 hours in the previous year or those that are self-employed.  And the government is changing the provisions so that self-employed people will be covered.  (That would be our CONSERVATIVE government). Our EI (Employment Insurance) system is used to administrate maternity & parental leave.  We all pay into it throughout our employment.   Maternity leave is for the first 12 weeks and is for mothers or adoptive parents.  Parental leave is for the following 40 weeks and you can divide it between mom and dad if you choose, or just have one parent take it.   Every single one of my mommy friends and acquaintances has taken this time off, no matter their economic situation.  Here, we believe that the best place for a mother is at home taking care of her child for that first important year.  In my case, my employer was very supportive, and like all employers are required to do, they held my job for me.  Our society accepts this leave as normal and fiscally responsible.  Most Canadians are very proud of this system and more than happy to support it, since it builds strong and happy families.  That's what we like to call family values.





That sounds nice, I would have loved to be able to take that much time off to spend with my daughter.  I think the US likes to think that we promote good family values, but in reality we don't have family friendly policies in the workplace, and I work for the State of Indiana.  When I took mat leave, it was for 90 days and was unpaid.

Jenny - posted on 10/28/2009

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Yep Carol, I think it creates a more empathetic community to actually help each other when they need it. I know Americans say they do too but want the choice. Unfortunately most people's choice is just to hoard what they have and not share with others. It's a very destructive mindset for a society.

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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That was my point, Christa...everyone is to blame...you just said it better :)

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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I agree with 99% . I don't think anyone doesn't think there aren't abuser's of the system.

There are too many negatives in that one sentence.lol

Anyhow, well said! Oh, and I personally don't defend the government all the time.

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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So, you think insurance company's are more trustful than the government. Why do you republicans fight so hard on the behalf of insurance companies. It makes NO sense.

Maleasha - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting dana:

Maleasha, maybe you should go check out the public option thread.


I've already seen it.  And like I've said so many times before, a public option is going to be ran by who?  The government.  They think that a public option is going to keep the insurance companies honest, but like most people know, the government is the most dishonest entity.  And time and time again, government ran programs have shown to fail and go bankrupt.  Why do you think that is?



 

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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Jenny paid into her unemployment. Her employer paid into her unemployment. There is nothing wrong with using it. It's insurance in case you need it!!

Maleasha - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Jenny:

I got government assistance at one point in my life and I am thankful it gave me the opoortunity to start new. It is resources we are providing for those who need them and there is no shame in needing help sometimes. Now let's help everyone get some health care!


Everyone hits a rough spot in their lives when they might need some assistance to get back on their feet, but what we see all too often, is that people get on the system and realize it's easier to stay on it, because they don't have to work to get the assistance.  People abuse it.  I'm not saying you did, and I'm not saying everyone does, but alot of people do.



 

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting dana:



Quoting Traci:




Quoting dana:

Practically eveyone in America is fat. It is also a fact that poor people in America are fat because they can't afford to eat healthier. I also agree with Jenny, it's ridiculous to blame the poor people for the financial decline of America.








No, not only that...many are too lazy to cook.  From what I read on COM....a lot of people are like that. lol








 








You should see what the food stampers buy with their gov't money.  It would make you sick.










Traci not everyone abuses the system.  My brother in law lost his job because the company failed to run it's self correctly.  They had to get food stamps for a month until they got back on their feet.  The only thing that makes me sick, is reading statments like yours. 






There's nothing wrong with that, Dana.  What I'm saying is...was he proud to be getting help?  I would hope not.  That makes it a temporary situation.  That is what assistance is for, to be temporary.  That is the key.  I know that hard times fall on everyone at some point or another.  That's what programs like that are for.  What we have going on now is a welfare lifestyle, which is not okay.  Please don't misunderstand. :)

Maleasha - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Traci:



Quoting dana:

I do believe that is what they are proposing. Public option and it's up to the states if they want to participate.






Well, we can only pray that the opt out passes and states actually get a chance to utilize it!  Otherwise, it'll be Massachusetts times 50 :(





I agree Traci!!  I hope that every state sees the obsertity of this public option and chooses to opt out.



 



As for the excessive spending, IT NEEDS TO STOP!!  Everyone in America is at fault for the decline of our economy.  People are spending way beyond their means.  They're taking out loans they can't afford to pay back.  Everyone needs to stop spending money they don't have.

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Oh and I used unemployment twice while on mat leave with my kids. I will never feel bad about taking the time to spend their first year home with them.

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Traci:



Quoting dana:

Practically eveyone in America is fat. It is also a fact that poor people in America are fat because they can't afford to eat healthier. I also agree with Jenny, it's ridiculous to blame the poor people for the financial decline of America.






No, not only that...many are too lazy to cook.  From what I read on COM....a lot of people are like that. lol






 






You should see what the food stampers buy with their gov't money.  It would make you sick.






Traci not everyone abuses the system.  My brother in law lost his job because the company failed to run it's self correctly.  They had to get food stamps for a month until they got back on their feet.  The only thing that makes me sick, is reading statments like yours. 

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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You should be ashamed to get Gov't assitance? I would be ashamed to ever make such a statment.

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting dana:

Practically eveyone in America is fat. It is also a fact that poor people in America are fat because they can't afford to eat healthier. I also agree with Jenny, it's ridiculous to blame the poor people for the financial decline of America.



No, not only that...many are too lazy to cook.  From what I read on COM....a lot of people are like that. lol



 



You should see what the food stampers buy with their gov't money.  It would make you sick.

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting dana:

I do believe that is what they are proposing. Public option and it's up to the states if they want to participate.



Well, we can only pray that the opt out passes and states actually get a chance to utilize it!  Otherwise, it'll be Massachusetts times 50 :(

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Why does my post keep posting? I only posted it once and have already deleted a duplicate.

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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I do believe that is what they are proposing. Public option and it's up to the states if they want to participate.

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Sara:

So, if we're going to stop the bleeding, then we should immediately cut defense spending...that's what over 50% of the federal budget is allocated to (present and past military spending). I get the impression that most people supported the "War On Terror" and the invasion of Iraq, which has cost us $915.1 billion dollars through the 2009 fiscal year. To me, that's wasteful. I'd much rather have a public option in Healthcare and pay for that, then to pay for blowing up some small village in Iraq or Afghanistan...I"m not proposing to get rid of the miliatry or anything crazy like that, but don't you think that maybe we could cut the spending and still keep the US safe?



I actually agree that we should cut wasteful military spending.  There is no reason to have some of the bases we do around the world.  We could get away with some shaving in that sector.



But I would rather see our tax dollars go to the military because defense is a legitimate function of gov't.  Paying people's doctor bills is not, ESPECIALLY at the federal level.  If your state wants to cover everyone...by all means!  At least then, when the taxes get ridiculous, those who want out can leave.  Where do we go when we are taxed so heavily at the federal level?  And I also think everyone needs to be paying for it, not just the so-called rich. 



 



But, yes, we could definitely cut defense spending and still keep us safe.  I'm leaning further and further to the Ron Paul side of conservatism each and every day.  He is drastic....and looking at our debt clock....we need drastic right now.

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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Practically eveyone in America is fat. It is also a fact that poor people in America are fat because they can't afford to eat healthier. I also agree with Jenny, it's ridiculous to blame the poor people for the financial decline of America.

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Special interests on both sides of the economic scale are what ails our country. We've got the poor bleeding us dry with their sloth and gluttony and we have the super corporations doing the same (minus the sloth, of course).



Are you kidding me? The richest 1% have 95% of the wealth. There's where you'll find gluttony (and, yes, sometimes sloth). The poor do not control enough of the money to cause this economic mess. This was caused by the people with the money.

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Traci:

Special interests on both sides of the economic scale are what ails our country. We've got the poor bleeding us dry with their sloth and gluttony and we have the super corporations doing the same (minus the sloth, of course).



Are you kidding me? The richest 1% have 95% of the wealth. There's where you'll find gluttony (and, yes, sometimes sloth). The poor do not control enough of the money to cause this economic mess. This was caused by the people with the money.

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Traci:

Special interests on both sides of the economic scale are what ails our country. We've got the poor bleeding us dry with their sloth and gluttony and we have the super corporations doing the same (minus the sloth, of course).



Are you kidding me? The richest 1% have 95% of the wealth. There's where you'll find gluttony (and, yes, sometimes sloth). The poor do not control enough of the money to cause this economic mess. This was caused by the people with the money.

Traci - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Carol:

The poor and their gluttony?!?! I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that poor people eat excessive amounts. Have you ever met any poor people?



Um, yeah I have....I used to be poor myself.  Please don't act as if I'm some socialite who looks down at the peasants from high above.  I wish I was...but I'm not even close to that status.



 



Yes, poor people in America are fat.  Look around.  They are gluttonous.  It's a fact. 

Jenny - posted on 10/27/2009

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Quoting Traci:

Special interests on both sides of the economic scale are what ails our country. We've got the poor bleeding us dry with their sloth and gluttony and we have the super corporations doing the same (minus the sloth, of course).



Are you kidding me? The richest 1% have 95% of the wealth. There's where you'll find gluttony (and, yes, sometimes sloth). The poor do not control enough of the money to cause this economic mess. This was caused by the people with the money.

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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How funny, when I saw that you had posted the first thing I thought was "Shhhhee's baaaack!!! :)

Sara - posted on 10/27/2009

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So, if we're going to stop the bleeding, then we should immediately cut defense spending...that's what over 50% of the federal budget is allocated to (present and past military spending). I get the impression that most people supported the "War On Terror" and the invasion of Iraq, which has cost us $915.1 billion dollars through the 2009 fiscal year. To me, that's wasteful. I'd much rather have a public option in Healthcare and pay for that, then to pay for blowing up some small village in Iraq or Afghanistan...I"m not proposing to get rid of the miliatry or anything crazy like that, but don't you think that maybe we could cut the spending and still keep the US safe?

Dana - posted on 10/27/2009

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The definition for GLUTTONY, which WAS the word used.



glut⋅ton⋅y/ˈglʌtni/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gluht-n-ee] Show IPA



–noun excessive eating and drinking.

Amy - posted on 10/27/2009

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glut·ton·ous (gltn-s)
adj.
1. Given to or marked by gluttony.
2. Indulging in something, such as an activity, to excess; voracious. See Synonyms at voracious.

Definition from free online web dictionary...

Johnny - posted on 10/26/2009

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The poor and their gluttony?!?! I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that poor people eat excessive amounts. Have you ever met any poor people?

Traci - posted on 10/26/2009

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Special interests on both sides of the economic scale are what ails our country. We've got the poor bleeding us dry with their sloth and gluttony and we have the super corporations doing the same (minus the sloth, of course).

Isobel - posted on 10/26/2009

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I must admit that I found it interesting when, after the economy headed down hill, and people living beyond their means and excepting more credit than was absolutely necessary, was found to be the cause, The government's advice was to tell them to spend more money. And that this is their first instinct as well. I understand Keynesian economics (save when your rich, spend while you're poor) but somebody forgot to remind these people to save while they were rich (in order to pay for the dry spells). You don't just print money to get out of a recession, the thought is ridiculous!



That's right, you heard me...quit spending money like it's growing on trees. (before you get all excited I do not count health care reform or welfare on the list of wasted money), I do count funding NASA, bailing out billionaires, and running stupid advertising campaigns (on both sides).



Your country needs to somehow slow the bleeding. Start a committee to end the stealing from the community pot, get the lobbyists out of the government, put the bailout executives in jail, and regulate your industries so that this greed and glut can not corrupt your system again.

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