Has anyone heard of the Rothchild?

Pamela - posted on 07/05/2010

To a large extent I agree with what you're saying Carol. While I am a believer in God ( and I respect that you perhaps are not), I hold to the idea that it is humanity that he/she works through (we are his hands and feet). Therefore, sitting back on our hind ends waiting for him to fix everything is what I would call bad theology. We should shape our lives around the concepts of justice (though not necessarily the American way - because the American way happens to use over 25% of the world's resources), mercy and the common good - I think these are ideas that most of us could agree to whether religious or not.



Henceforth that is why my politics lean a bit more liberal. It's also why I refuse to get caught up too much in the conspiracy theories that permeate our culture. A little bit of research goes an awful long way. And just between you and I (and anyone else who reads this:), I find most conspiracy theories a waste of time. There are real problems that need fixing. We can't fix the Rothchilds or the Bilderbergs for that matter.



Further, it's not about us waiting for God to come down and fix our problems but rather, we are to be the instruments through which he works - through us.



My husband and I had this conversation this morning.- particularly regarding the whole global warming issue (DL is an environmentalist, so we don't question the reality of this). Do we just sit back and let things continue the way they have during this past century? I think a firm answer is: No! We can't. We have to change the way we do everything. We can no longer afford to live the way we do. The people of the rest of this world can't afford it either. The consequences are so extreme if we don't step up and start seriously dealing with this issue. Our fear is that we may be too far down the road. We can make a difference, but things are going to get pretty harsh on this planet. DL actually met Lester Brown (who heads up the World Watch Institute) and said the look in this man's eyes was sobering.



So as citizens of this here planet - of which we all are - we need to deal with the real issues that face us today. I concur and agree with you whole-heartedly.



My main point is that we should refuse to walk or live in fear. Fear, while sometimes motivating us to action, can often lead us to a despair that renders us immobile and useless to the task at hand. That is what we must resist.

Johnny - posted on 07/05/2010

Janessa, holocaust conspiracy debunkers are not paid by the Rothschild family nor the elites. They are often poor academics toiling in obscurity attempting to free the reputation of world Jewry from the hateful lies told about their people. I think it would behoove you to stop believing every crazy nutbar who knows how to start their own blog on the internet.

I have no interest in defending the elites of the world. And I do think that it is likely that the Rothschild family may be involved in some financial and political shenanigans designed to increase their own personal wealth. Most elites are. But that doesn't mean I'm going to buy into crazy made-up stories about satanic cults and mind control. The elite groups don't need that crap. They pay to have the politicians elected. The politicians are beholden to their benefactors. There is no need for crazy conspiracy theories. Anyone can research the information about where our lawmakers (regardless of nationality) get the money to buy their way into office. The only way to stop this is to be aware and start supporting alternative politicians (like Ralph Nader, or the Green party, etc.) who are not connected or interested in being connected to these groups. Spreading unsubstantiated rumors and silly stories about secret cults is just a waste of time and effort and does nothing to change the status quo. It just plays into the hands of the powerful and allows them to characterize those who oppose them as crazies.

And I must say, it deeply saddens me that people continue to look for a god or an afterlife to save them from the problems our lives instead of facing them head on here and fixing them. It is highly probable that there is no afterlife or god as we would like to imagine, this is all we've got, so we'd better learn to act to fix it. Otherwise, humans will just cease to exist, and the earth will go on, probably quite happily, without us.

Pamela - posted on 07/05/2010

On this I speak only for myself: Even if everything you say is true (and I'm not saying that some of it isn't), in the whole scheme of things, follow Christ. Even if the wealthiest of the wealthy run everything into the ground and we're all left eating nothing but fine dirt for supper and onions as our dessert, follow Christ. None of the conspiracies (possible or outlandish) that could happen (and frankly, I think things will get rather hairy what with the road this world is on right now) - but none of it will change the direction of the path that we're on - and the rightness and the goodness we seek to bring to the table - for evil doesn't get the final say, the final word. Justice will roll down like a river and goodness will prevail at the end of the day. Call me airy fairy (and I'm sure some of you will :o) but I refuse to succumb to fear and despair - and Janessa, I don't think you should either. So the Rothchilds, the Bilderbergs Group, the Illuminati, the Masons and whoever else we think of as secret shadow groups playing the system of this world like marionettes, they're like grass in a meadow. They're here for a time and then gone. But God endures forever. So be at peace.

Janessa - posted on 07/05/2010

Actually those people who likely did research on them are paid to write for them. They have paid writers and paid people to not tell the truth and remember history is written by winners not lossers. I am really interested why you are defending a elites like them? when so many people have put out information regarding the rothchild and they do not care about people like us. Yes i am targeting them because they are well none but i could have targeted many more like who are part of The Bilderbergers group, read the list who are involved. They are many people who will not believe these people are part of the new world order or people like me are crazy. They can believe what there want because when the time to act it will be to late. Evil is happening in the world it is going to get worst if your not wealthy that is to bad.

Johnny - posted on 07/03/2010

Just so you know Janessa, the conspiracies about the Rothschild family have been largely discredited by people who do a great deal of research and expose a lot of these "elite" conspiracies. Yes, they are one of the wealthiest families in the world. And yes, have a lot of influence in the financial sector. However, most of the conspiracies regarding this family were started by Nazi's and fascists in Europe in order to destroy powerful Jewish families. These conspiracies have their roots in anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews. There are plenty of other families and other organizations that have greater wealth and more control over the financial and political situation of the world than the Rothschilds, but are not attacked in this way because they are not Jewish. Please do some more research on this and don't just buy into the anti-Semitic hatred that continues to be spread and perpetrated on this family.

I am not discounting your concerns about elitist groups and control of our political system and financial sector. I think there is good reason to be concerned. I am just suggesting that you are targeting your concern to a small, relatively insignificant group. And a group that has been targeted for all the wrong reasons.

Janessa - posted on 07/03/2010

The Rothchilds are the wealthies family in the world they have control of people and wars . They have control of the majority of the big banks in the world. There have a plan for obama and anyone in government. These people and the elites are sick group of people time for us normal people to have a revolution. I know people in secret societies but will not tell me what is happening all i can do is read about them.

Pamela - posted on 06/30/2010

Oh no, Laura, we're all tin foil hat wearers in some sense or another. I have mine on right now. However, I do think there are very powerful and uber-wealthy people in the world who will do just about anything to protect their wealth. Wars are extremely profitable and manipulating world economies make a pretty penny. And to quote the late great George Carlin (though somewhat out of context): "They don't give a damn about you!"

But fingering the Rothchild family as a bunch of Satanists does make me nervous because most of the conspiracy theories out there about that family, were birthed by the Nazis, in their scarily successful attempt at demonizing an entire group of people - i.e. the Jews.

So I'm actually leaning more towards Carol's take on this: the Bilderberg group. Something smells fishy in the Netherlands...and it ain't the fish.

Isobel - posted on 06/28/2010

You mean I'm not the only foil hat wearer???? I'm tearing up over here, I thought I was all alone.

Krista - posted on 06/28/2010

I'm concerned about this group too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellows...

They are VERY influential.

Sara - posted on 06/28/2010

Not that I don't believe that there are things out there that we, as regular citizens, will never know about and people with vast wealth who have a lot of influence in government, but I don't think the Rothchilds are this extremely powerful family, as you stated in the OP. I do know that the idea that they somehow encouraged wars between governments was propaganda began by the Nazis during WWII. Wars tended to hit the price of existing bonds by increasing the risk that a debtor state would fail to meet its interest payments in the event of defeat and losses of territory. By the middle of the 19th century, the Rothschilds had evolved from traders into fund managers, carefully tending to their own vast portfolio of government bonds. Now having made their money, they stood to lose more than they gained from conflict. The Rothschilds had decided the outcome of the Napoleonic Wars by putting their financial weight behind Britain. Now they would.. sit on the sidelines i'm sure. Why risk it?

Jenny - posted on 06/27/2010

I used to be a live in nanny for a man who's father was a Navy Seal. He was the one who first told me about the Bilderberg Group fourteen years ago. They concern me very much. Our Premier Gordon Campbell was at this year's meeting. It was paid by the public dime but he will not say a peep about why he was there, who organised it, what they talked about, nothing.

I don't believe the Rothchild's are Satanists but it's really irre;evant. I think it comes down to control. Money is a dangerous thing.

Janessa - posted on 06/27/2010

hey we think allot alike i thought i was the only ones that believe these kind of stuff of the elites what is going on in the world. I did not mean to say there control there actual mind lol i meant to say there have control over our leaders as there pay them off to do what there want them to do. I mean look at the state of the economy the rothchild controls the banks all over the world. I have not heard about the Bilderberg group but i will check on them thank you.

Johnny - posted on 06/26/2010

Yes I have heard of the Rothschilds.

I do not believe in Satan, so therefore, I don't really see anyone as "Satanist".

No, I don't think that they control the worlds economy and our leader's minds. That's absurd. Do they have some sort of special device that helps them do this?

However, I do strongly suspect that there is a large somewhat/loosely organized cabal of international elites, including some politicians, many corporate leaders, and others in the category of the "super rich" who conspire and work together to ensure that things turn out the way they would like.

Have you ever heard of the Bilderberg group? This is not a crazy conspiracy. The premier of the province I live in recently attended one of their meetings and would not even discuss it or acknowledge it's existence to the press (the mainstream press released this and then the guy who printed it got fired shortly thereafter). Members of the group have admitted that they are indeed interested in promoting a "one world government".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_...