health care...hate to do it again but...

Jenny - posted on 10/03/2009

Quoting Laura:

so...now that we've ensured that the stats are correct (thank you)...what do we think about a really LOUD MINORITY taking over the joint?

The reason the dems can't get anything done is because of the power of the corporations and lobbyists. it has nothing to do with you the people disagreeing, because according to the polls...most of you dont :)

That is very true. The Dems need to grow a pair, especially Obama. They need to become that loud and clear voice that the people rally behind. They already have facts and reason going for them, now it's time to pull out the bullhorns to let everyone know about it.

ME - posted on 10/03/2009

I will make that suggestion to folks who don't have insurance...see, I don't NEED the help that desperately...I just have compassion for those who do!!!

Jenny - posted on 10/03/2009

Send all of your medical bills to the your representatives. Flood their mail boxes.

ME - posted on 10/03/2009

It makes me feel like my hard work to get Obama elected was wasted...I'm not sure what to do to get the dems in congress to realize that they need to do what they promised!!!

Isobel - posted on 10/03/2009

so...now that we've ensured that the stats are correct (thank you)...what do we think about a really LOUD MINORITY taking over the joint?

The reason the dems can't get anything done is because of the power of the corporations and lobbyists. it has nothing to do with you the people disagreeing, because according to the polls...most of you dont :)

Dana - posted on 10/03/2009

This is interesting.



The new CBS/New York Times poll not only shows overwhelming support for the public option -- it shows that a plurality of self-identified Republicans are for it, too.



The poll asked this question: "Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan -- something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get -- that would compete with private health insurance plans?"



The top-line result is 65% in favor, 26% opposed. Among Democrats only, it's 81%-12%, and independents are at 61%-30%. And among Republican respondents, 47% are in favor, to 42% opposed



http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/...

ME - posted on 10/03/2009

Sorry...this posted funny, and it is hard to read, but this poll supports Laura's stats...and it is pretty recent.

ME - posted on 10/03/2009

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Sept. 19-23, 2009. N=1,042 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.





"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling health care?"





Approve Disapprove Unsure

% % %

9/19-23/09

47 45 8

8/27-31/09

40 47 13

7/24-28/09

46 38 16

7/9-12/09

49 37 14

6/12-16/09

44 34 22



"Which of the following three statements comes closest to expressing your overall view of the health care system in the United States? (1) On the whole, the health care system works pretty well and only minor changes are necessary to make it work better. OR, (2) There are some good things in our health care system, but fundamental changes are needed. OR, (3) Our health care system has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it."





Minor

Changes Fundamental

Changes Completely

Rebuild Unsure

% % % %

9/19-23/09

19 51 27 3

8/27-31/09

17 55 27 1

7/24-28/09

16 49 33 2

6/12-16/09

13 51 34 2

4/22-26/09

12 49 38 1

9/12-16/08

14 50 35 1

1/20-25/06

8 56 34 2



"Are you generally satisfied or dissatisfied with the quality of the health care you receive? Would you say you are very satisfied/dissatisfied or somewhat satisfied/dissatisfied?"





Very

Satisfied Somewhat

Satisfied Somewhat

Dissatisfied Very

Dissatisfied Unsure

% % % % %

9/19-23/09

41 37 10 8 4



"Regardless of how you usually vote, who do you think has better ideas about reforming the health care system: Barack Obama, or the Republicans in Congress?"





Barack

Obama Republicans

in Congress Both (vol.) Neither

(vol.) Unsure

% % % % %

9/19-23/09

52 27 2 11 8

8/27-31/09

50 23 1 13 13

7/24-28/09

55 26 1 7 11



"Do you think you understand the health care reforms under consideration in Congress, or are they confusing to you?"





Understand Confusing Unsure

% % %

9/19-23/09

37 59 4

8/27-31/09

31 67 2



"Do you mostly support or mostly oppose the changes to the health care system proposed by Barack Obama, or don't you know enough about them yet to say?"





Mostly

Support Mostly

Oppose Don't Know

Enough Unsure

% % % %

9/19-23/09

30 23 46 1



"Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government-administered health insurance plan -- something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get -- that would compete with private health insurance plans?"





Favor Oppose Unsure

% % %

9/19-23/09

65 26 9

8/27-31/09

60 34 6

7/24-28/09

66 27 7

7/9-12/09

64 29 7

6/12-16/09

72 20 8



"What if changes to the health care system do not include the option of a government-administered health insurance plan? In that case, would you favor or oppose the changes under consideration?"





Favor Oppose Unsure

% % %

9/19-23/09

38 40 22



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NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Sept. 17-20, 2009. N=1,005 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1 (for all adults).





"Do you generally approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing in handling the issue of health care reform?"





Approve Disapprove Unsure

% % %

9/17-20/09

45 46 9

8/15-17/09

41 47 12

7/24-27/09

41 46 13



"Do you generally approve or disapprove of the way that Republicans in Congress are handling the issue of health care reform?"





Approve Disapprove Unsure

% % %

9/17-20/09

21 65 14

8/15-17/09

21 62 17



"How well do you think you understand the health care legislation that is currently being debated in Congress? Do you understand it very well, pretty well, only some, or not very well?"





Very Well Pretty Well Only Some Not

Very Will

% % % %

9/17-20/09

15 42 32 11



"Regardless of whether you favor or oppose the health care legislation that is currently being discussed, do you personally care about this issue a great deal, a fair amount, just some, or very little?"





A Great

Deal A Fair

Amount Just Some Very Little

% % % %

9/17-20/09

66 22 8 4



"From what you have heard about Barack Obama's health care plan, do you think his plan is a good idea or a bad idea? If you do not have an opinion either way, please just say so."





Good Idea Bad Idea No Opinion Unsure

% % % %

9/17-20/09

39 41 17 3

8/15-17/09

36 42 17 5

7/24-27/09

36 42 17 5

6/12-15/09

33 32 30 5

4/23-26/09

33 26 34 7



"And from what you have heard about Barack Obama's health care plan, do you believe it will result in the quality of your health care getting better, worse, or staying about the same as now? If you do not have an opinion, please just say so."





Better Worse Same No Opinion Unsure

% % % % %

9/17-20/09

19 36 34 8 3

8/15-17/09

24 40 27 7 2

7/24-27/09

21 39 29 9 2

4/23-26/09

22 24 29 20 5



"Do you think it would be better to pass Barack Obama's health care plan and make its changes to the health care system or to not pass this plan and keep the current health care system?"





Make

Changes Keep Current

System Neither

(vol.) Unsure

% % % %

9/17-20/09

45 39 9 7



"Thinking about efforts to reform the health care system, which would concern you more: not doing enough to make the health care system better than it is now by lowering costs and covering the uninsured, OR, going too far and making the health care system worse than it is now in terms of quality of care and choice of doctor?" Half sample (Form B), MoE ± 4.4





Not Doing

Enough Going Too

Far Unsure

% % %

9/17-20/09

44 48 8

8/15-17/09

41 54 5



"And thinking about one aspect of the debate on health care legislation -- In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance: extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?" Half sample (Form A), MoE ± 4.4





Extremely

Important Quite

Important Not That

Important Not at All

Important Unsure

% % % % %

9/17-20/09

48 25 8 15 4

6/12-15/09

41 35 12 8 4



"And thinking about one aspect of the debate on health care legislation -- Would you favor or oppose creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies?" Half sample (Form B), MoE ± 4.4





Favor Oppose Unsure

% % %

9/17-20/09

46 48 6

8/15-17/09

43 47 10

7/24-27/09

46 44 10



"Congress is considering many different items as part of health care reform legislation. I am going to read you some of the items they are considering that may or may not end up in the final legislation. For each one, please tell me whether you feel this absolutely must be included as part of health care legislation, you would prefer it be included, you would prefer it NOT be included, or you feel it absolutely must NOT be included. . . ." Half sample (Form A), MoE ± 4.4





Must

Be Included Prefer It

Be Included Prefer It Not

Be Included Must Not

Be Included Unsure

% % % % %



"Requiring that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions."



9/17-20/09

63 26 5 4 2



"Creating a law that limits the amount of money someone can collect if they win a lawsuit after being injured by bad medical care."



9/17-20/09

36 29 14 14 7



"Requiring that all but the smallest employers provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured."



9/17-20/09

26 37 15 18 4



"Creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies."



9/17-20/09

26 27 16 24 7



"Creating a law that requires everyone to have health insurance coverage. Those people with low and moderate incomes would receive government assistance. Those people who can afford it would have to buy their own health insurance or pay a penalty or fine if they do not."



9/17-20/09

18 20 23 34 5



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Traci - posted on 10/02/2009

Where are you gettting your info that 65% want the public option? Sorry, but if that were indeed true, it would get done. The dems have enough of them in Congress and the Senate, they can do whatever they want. It's the dems holding this thing down, if they all got on the same page, they could do it. Don't blame the r's on this one! :)



I've also seen poll after poll that more people distrust the gov't than they do corporations. Perhaps because the gov't has the power to enforce and business does not?



As for myself, I am not a fan of these huge, global corporations because they have become entrenched in the gov't. Wall Street gave a lot more money to Obama in the last election than they did McCain. I want to see businesses sovereign, and as far away from the gov't as possible. As long as there is the rule of law, business cannot be a thing to be feared in our country. But right now as it stands, business and gov't are locked in a dangerous embrace and that is what the problem is. Business gets away with things they shouldn't because the law (the gov't) is in bed with them. They are rubbing eachother's backs and greasing eachother's palms. It's the R's and the D's that are equally guilty of this and we are getting screwed. That's why I don't understand some of you guys want MORE gov't power. We need less. When business has no interest in who is in power and vice versa, that's when we have the power. The only way to achieve that is for the gov't to let go.