Indoctrination..... Or concerned teenagers?

Dawn - posted on 10/11/2009

I think things would go much faster and a lot better for this and a lot of other issues, if Obama would follow thru on his campaign promise of getting rid of the lobbyists! I was so hoping that he would follow thru on this one. But, no, he instead appointed them to offices. Nice work. So much for getting the corporations out of the government.

Amie - posted on 10/11/2009

Quoting Jeannette:

Quoting Christa:

My guess would be for the pap smear results. They have to give you a full exam before prescribing BC. At least that's always been my experience.

Yes, it was for the pap smear.  I asked the doctor if the full exam was really necessary, not that I knew how much the lab work was going to cost, she said no.  However, it is a good habit to start once you are 18 or become sexually active.  My oldest wouldn't do either the pap or the bc, but my middle daughter would.

I also think that is ridiculous too.  They recommend tests, blood work, xrays, but they don't tell you how much that is going to cost.  They try to give estimates sometimes, but they have been so off.  When I got my wisdom teeth done, they guesstimated it would cost me about 500, it cost me a little over 1500.  When my oldest had her wisdom teeth done, the guesstimated 982.00, it actually cost us 560.00, and they had to refund us our overpayment. 

The system needs a reboot that is for certain.  I do believe that everyone should have health coverage.  I honestly believed that everyone did before this election.  My dad didn't, but he doesn't go to the doctor, ever, and he would see it as a waste of money for himself.  I didn't think most people felt that way, therefore, I thought most people either got ins through their job, or qualified for medicaid.  I am glad this was brought to light.  I do think that people should be responsible to help pay for their coverage.

You know, I was watching Stephanopolous this morning....they are saying that 25 million people will still be left uncovered under this current bill.  Scrap it, it isn't doing the job.

OMG! That's all I really have to say. Just O! M! G!

Our yearly physical's start when we're young. Our paps are thrown in when we are older, average age is 16. Some put it off though.

**All provinces are different since our health care is federally funded but provincially run so my experiences are not the same for the entire country.**

Here when our paps are done our results are mailed to us. Usually within 2-3 weeks. Depends on the time of year you get it done since Canada post has certain times where they are swamped with mail and it slows to a crawl sorting and getting it out.

However if there is something that your doctor wants to talk to you about you are called to book antoher appointment.

For general lab work it is all sent to your doctor and you set up an appointment when to see them next if you want too. Again, if all is normal it's left alone, if something is wrong they will call you to come back in to discuss the results.

There are instances where people need to go in each time but then they have serious conditions.

The wisdom teeth thing I can understand. I had all four of mine done for about that price ($1500) BUT since my mom worked for the health district at the time and I was under 25 and going to school still (University) I was covered. So didn't have to pay for any of it. Though mine were a pain in the butt, they had to cut into my gums, push them back a ways and then crack the teeth to even get them to come out. So I got to walk around with a mouthful of stitches for a couple weeks. So not fun.

The plan my husband and I now have through his work covers 80% of our dental work and 100% of the kids. We could get the same plan through Blue Cross but see no need for it if his jobs going to do it. Also there are no pre-existing conditions clauses here. You may have to pay a little bit more for some things... like my life insurance.. I smoke so for my $500,000 policy I pay $28 a month instead of $19.

The more and more I hear about health care in the states the more and more I don't understand why the Public Option is trying to be pulled. It's not universal health care. To even change a bill does it not have to go through the house again? It does here.. so even if they who are worried about the Public Option turning into Universal Health care, it's not so easily done. I need to check up on a few things again though. My brains all fuzzy smelling the turkey cooking.

Jeannette - posted on 10/11/2009

I agree with the public option...I always preferred that idea.

Isobel - posted on 10/11/2009

To really get the job done, they need a public OPTION. Obama needs to listen to what the MAJORITY of the country wants instead of trying to please a few republicans that are never EVER going to agree with anything he says.

Jeannette - posted on 10/11/2009

Quoting Christa:

My guess would be for the pap smear results. They have to give you a full exam before prescribing BC. At least that's always been my experience.

Yes, it was for the pap smear.  I asked the doctor if the full exam was really necessary, not that I knew how much the lab work was going to cost, she said no.  However, it is a good habit to start once you are 18 or become sexually active.  My oldest wouldn't do either the pap or the bc, but my middle daughter would.

I also think that is ridiculous too.  They recommend tests, blood work, xrays, but they don't tell you how much that is going to cost.  They try to give estimates sometimes, but they have been so off.  When I got my wisdom teeth done, they guesstimated it would cost me about 500, it cost me a little over 1500.  When my oldest had her wisdom teeth done, the guesstimated 982.00, it actually cost us 560.00, and they had to refund us our overpayment. 

The system needs a reboot that is for certain.  I do believe that everyone should have health coverage.  I honestly believed that everyone did before this election.  My dad didn't, but he doesn't go to the doctor, ever, and he would see it as a waste of money for himself.  I didn't think most people felt that way, therefore, I thought most people either got ins through their job, or qualified for medicaid.  I am glad this was brought to light.  I do think that people should be responsible to help pay for their coverage.

You know, I was watching Stephanopolous this morning....they are saying that 25 million people will still be left uncovered under this current bill.  Scrap it, it isn't doing the job.

Amie - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Jeannette:

Actually, I am pissed about the bill in its current form. At least people will have to pay for it, but if it is income based, some still won't.
I have federal insurance, and yeah, I'm glad that there is no such thing as preexisting conditions, however, it lacks dental and vision BIG TIME! Not to mention, we pay quite a bit out of pocket any time we have tests done. I took my daughter for bc...124.00, not the doctor visit, the lab work. My husband went into the hospital, we got a bill from Tom, Dick and Harry! I hate our healthcare system the way it is.
I hate that we get a bill from every single department of the hospital that is seperate from the hospital bill. At least with universal insurance, most of this crap would be covered. If I'm going to pay more in taxes, I'd like to have a program I can benefit from for once!

Why was there lab work done for birth control?

Amie - posted on 10/10/2009

It depends on where you live on the line ups. My perspective is quite different from Laura's, I've never had to wait and neither has any of my family. With possible life threatening situations we have always been seen within 24 hours at the very most. Most times it can be done the same day but there were times I didn't live close to the city.

Anyway... as for the coverage for dental and vision. It's cheap, who cares. At that kids under 18 (in Sask anyway) get their coverage for free. After that well depends. We are covered through my husbands work so we don't pay. When I did have to to pay it was $18. The most I've heard was my dad and that was $36 for a family of 6. /:)

So even having to pay those extras I would still rather live here. I've heard from a few Americans how much they pay for their monthly insurance, never mind the deductible. Crazy stuff. Some pay enough in insurance that would cover rent in a decent one bedroom. You can't tell me that's not wrong.

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

I agree...nobody said our system is perfect...the line up thing is kinda true (nowhere near as bad as the propaganda, and not if it's an emergency) but it's there. Hopefully though, the lineup thing will start to change as our line jumpers no longer have to go to the States...In Toronto, at least, we now have private clinics YAY, the rich people can get out of the line ups so that the rest of us can have shorter lines.

Jeannette - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Laura:

Quoting Jeannette:

Actually, I am pissed about the bill in its current form. At least people will have to pay for it, but if it is income based, some still won't.
I have federal insurance, and yeah, I'm glad that there is no such thing as preexisting conditions, however, it lacks dental and vision BIG TIME! Not to mention, we pay quite a bit out of pocket any time we have tests done. I took my daughter for bc...124.00, not the doctor visit, the lab work. My husband went into the hospital, we got a bill from Tom, Dick and Harry! I hate our healthcare system the way it is.
I hate that we get a bill from every single department of the hospital that is seperate from the hospital bill. At least with universal insurance, most of this crap would be covered. If I'm going to pay more in taxes, I'd like to have a program I can benefit from for once!

In Canada, dental and vision are not covered at all...even we need private insurance for that ;)

Why would dental and vision not be covered?  They both are a major part of keeping your body in good health?  There are a host of other issues that can occur because of dental problems.  I had bad headaches until I got my wisdom teeth removed. 

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Jeannette:

Actually, I am pissed about the bill in its current form. At least people will have to pay for it, but if it is income based, some still won't.
I have federal insurance, and yeah, I'm glad that there is no such thing as preexisting conditions, however, it lacks dental and vision BIG TIME! Not to mention, we pay quite a bit out of pocket any time we have tests done. I took my daughter for bc...124.00, not the doctor visit, the lab work. My husband went into the hospital, we got a bill from Tom, Dick and Harry! I hate our healthcare system the way it is.
I hate that we get a bill from every single department of the hospital that is seperate from the hospital bill. At least with universal insurance, most of this crap would be covered. If I'm going to pay more in taxes, I'd like to have a program I can benefit from for once!

In Canada, dental and vision are not covered at all...even we need private insurance for that ;)

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Amie:

As for whose fault it is. You can't put the blame on any one person. We are paying attention Christa. The dems are arguing amongst themselves too about the bill. They are also trying to reach an agreement that everyone can agree on. Though that's hard when their are so many people with differing views.

I'm sure if they wanted to they could push the bill through if they wanted to. But even that credit can't be given to them. Obama's administration is trying to make all Americans happy, not just their side.

That's a noble vision, but if they could they would have shoved one down our throats, just like the stimulus.  They don't care what us conservatives want.  Obama reminded us so many times when he first took office "I won".  He has since gotten rid of this attitude and that is why I give him more credit now, but his congress dems (Pelosi) have not lost their "we won" attitude.  THANKFULLY there are still fiscally conservative democrats in the senate that are holding things up, THAT is why they haven't shoved something through. If they had a bill that would get 60 votes they would have passed it by now (just like the stimulus), but they are FINALLY seeing that a bill with a PUBLIC OPTION is NEVER going to get 60 votes.

 

even though 65 % of the Americans want one...that's so wrong.

Jeannette - posted on 10/10/2009

of course, I probably wouldn't qualify even if they add the public option back in either...

Jeannette - posted on 10/10/2009

Actually, I am pissed about the bill in its current form. At least people will have to pay for it, but if it is income based, some still won't.
I have federal insurance, and yeah, I'm glad that there is no such thing as preexisting conditions, however, it lacks dental and vision BIG TIME! Not to mention, we pay quite a bit out of pocket any time we have tests done. I took my daughter for bc...124.00, not the doctor visit, the lab work. My husband went into the hospital, we got a bill from Tom, Dick and Harry! I hate our healthcare system the way it is.
I hate that we get a bill from every single department of the hospital that is seperate from the hospital bill. At least with universal insurance, most of this crap would be covered. If I'm going to pay more in taxes, I'd like to have a program I can benefit from for once!

Amie - posted on 10/10/2009

I'd say Jenny's hit the nail on the head. =)

As for the whole bias issue. Really whichever side of the fence you sit on you are more likely to be biased to that side. /:) That's a simple fact that anyone should be able to understand. I'm biased towards the liberal view and admit that.

As for whose fault it is. You can't put the blame on any one person. We are paying attention Christa. The dems are arguing amongst themselves too about the bill. They are also trying to reach an agreement that everyone can agree on. Though that's hard when their are so many people with differing views.

I'm sure if they wanted to they could push the bill through if they wanted to. But even that credit can't be given to them. Obama's administration is trying to make all Americans happy, not just their side.

Jenny - posted on 10/10/2009

It's because the corporations have the politicians in their pockets. Nothing to do with Dems vs. Reps. Nothing solid will EVER happen with reform until the corporate leeches in Washington are kicked out on their behinds. Even the tea parties are being found to be funded with corporate monery from insurance companies and such. The issue is not Republicans or blue dog Dems, it's capitalism.



I liked a solution proposed on another group in here, can't remember who to give credit to but feel free if you know who. I believe the jist was turning all insurance agencies into private non-profits. That way the government is not involved but the people are not being bent over the barrel for more profit. Since the right's war cry is that government can't run anythnig right, I'm sure they could agree with a non-government run non-profit system. I should hunt that down for the rest of the details.

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Obama has Proposed no public option (exactly what the republicans SAY they want), He has proposed Tort reform (again what they SAY they want)

I have a sneaking suspicion that what they REALLY want is Obama's failure.

I'm not joking about wanting ONE example of Republican compromise.

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Maleasha:

Quoting Natalie:

Quoting Christa:

Yeah he yelled liar (fact), that isn't why bipartisian support has failed (opinion). It's CLEARLY biased as are you.

Bipartisan support has failed because the Republicans are completely unwilling to compromise. I am biased towards solutions that would be good for this country, yes. But facts cannot be biased because they are true no matter how you look at them.

Same can be said of Democrats. Republicans have tried too compromise and have been shut down time and time again.

BULLSHIT...Obama has done nothing but compromise and try to give the right what they want...so much so that he's losing the support of the people who elected him.  I want proof of  ONE instance of the republicans have EVER attempted to compromise...it's the most ludicrous statement I've ever hear...

Isobel - posted on 10/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Natalie:

Here is the version with the interview at the beginning. Yes, the kids wrote it. Yeah, that little one for some reason thinks the current system works. If you notice, the lyrics do not say anything about forcing one option or another, just that something needs to be done. I'm thinking that these kids are very aware of the words they are singing, and that they are capable of forming their own opinions.

But hey, let's just demonize Obama over this whole thing some more. I swear I saw him standing in the wings all glowy-eyed and devil-horned.

 

If this part wasn't in there I'd agree it wasn't biased. "Bipartisan support was tried so we wouldn't be denied But Joe Wilson yelled, "You lie!" "  Clearly blames the R's for nothing getting done. And I'm pretty sure nobody blamed Obama.

and exactly which word of that isn't true?  "we throw our hands up" is not support of the bill, it's recognition of the fact that Americans are giving up.

Maleasha - posted on 10/09/2009

Quoting Natalie:

Quoting Christa:

Yeah he yelled liar (fact), that isn't why bipartisian support has failed (opinion). It's CLEARLY biased as are you.

Bipartisan support has failed because the Republicans are completely unwilling to compromise. I am biased towards solutions that would be good for this country, yes. But facts cannot be biased because they are true no matter how you look at them.

Same can be said of Democrats. Republicans have tried too compromise and have been shut down time and time again.

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

Quoting Christa:

Yeah he yelled liar (fact), that isn't why bipartisian support has failed (opinion). It's CLEARLY biased as are you.

Bipartisan support has failed because the Republicans are completely unwilling to compromise. I am biased towards solutions that would be good for this country, yes. But facts cannot be biased because they are true no matter how you look at them.

Dana - posted on 10/09/2009

Well, really why can't it be biased? They wrote it the way they wanted. Who cares, the point is they are concerned teenagers and not being indoctrinated, as some would like to think they are.

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Natalie:

Here is the version with the interview at the beginning. Yes, the kids wrote it. Yeah, that little one for some reason thinks the current system works. If you notice, the lyrics do not say anything about forcing one option or another, just that something needs to be done. I'm thinking that these kids are very aware of the words they are singing, and that they are capable of forming their own opinions.

But hey, let's just demonize Obama over this whole thing some more. I swear I saw him standing in the wings all glowy-eyed and devil-horned.

 

If this part wasn't in there I'd agree it wasn't biased. "Bipartisan support was tried so we wouldn't be denied But Joe Wilson yelled, "You lie!" "  Clearly blames the R's for nothing getting done. And I'm pretty sure nobody blamed Obama.

But see, that's a fact. It's not an opionion, it's what really happened. They tried to make concessions so the conservatives would stop screaming Socialism! and Joe Wilson couldn't behave like an adult. It really happened that way. So how can it be biased?

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

Quoting Christa:

How would you feel if your child, or just children in some school were singing about all the murdered babies in the US and how it should be stopped? You probably wouldn't think THAT was such a great thing. Which is why politics NEED to stay out of our schools.

No, that's why RELIGION needs to stay out of our schools.

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

Here is the version with the interview at the beginning. Yes, the kids wrote it. Yeah, that little one for some reason thinks the current system works. If you notice, the lyrics do not say anything about forcing one option or another, just that something needs to be done. I'm thinking that these kids are very aware of the words they are singing, and that they are capable of forming their own opinions.

But hey, let's just demonize Obama over this whole thing some more. I swear I saw him standing in the wings all glowy-eyed and devil-horned.

ME - posted on 10/09/2009

I think it's wonderful that these kids are learning about current issues in our nation, and that they feel strongly enough about them to voice their opinions.

Amie - posted on 10/09/2009

That's something I'm looking further into though too.

Why are people assuming it's the teachers? How do you know it wasn't the kids who came up with and did the project themselves?

In our schools we always did things like this for extra credit marks. Though our politics isn't anywhere near as controversial so no one gave two poops. Least of all the media. /:)

Natalie - posted on 10/09/2009

They're not singing anything that's untrue- it can all be supported by fact. When did knowledge become indoctrination? These kids are totally on the ball.

Amie - posted on 10/09/2009

Right because heaven forbid that kids are actually getting an education and know what they are talking about. They are teenagers, by the time I was a teenager I knew what was what. But then Canada's school system is better so I know what to expect from my kids.

Public health care does not cover illegals. Even Canada's system doesn't. Everyone who lives in Canada gets a health card from their provincial government. No matter where you are in Canada you are covered. If you happen to move out of province you have 3 months to switch your health card and get one issued from the new province you reside in. If you do not have one, or one that is up to date (every year each province sends out stickers to validate your card so they know you are still a resident of that province) you pay out of pocket for your doctor's visit.

Joe Wilson DID NOT speak the truth. The House bill contains a section (Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," which states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

However, conservative critics object to a lack of specific enforcement measures in the bill. They argue that the lack of a specific verification mechanism constitutes a loophole that would allow illegal immigrants to get benefits despite the legal prohibition.

Republicans have a point here: More could be done to enforce the ban. BUT it’s worth remembering that attempting to get a health care credit would have LEGAL repercussions. Making a fraudulent claim to an entitlement program when you’re not actually entitled to it would have serious consequences for any person but especially if it’s considered a false claim to citizenship, that would have serious immigration consequences that could ultimately lead to deportation.

Rebecca - posted on 10/09/2009

INDOCTRINATION, big time. And Wilson spoke the truth. Most or possibly all of the illegals would be covered under the plan Obama proposed. and the long lines they are singing about are nothing compared to what's in store for them if the government is running health care.