Let the Tantrums begin, oh wait they already have. . . .

Christa - posted on 11/03/2010 ( 48 moms have responded )

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I'm not surprised by the posts about the election thus far. The American People spoke loud and clear last night, and that message was against the progressive agenda. Yet it seems that folks like yourselves, and I believe the President (even though for now he is trying to seem flexible) are throwing tantrums. I believe the Republicans have learned from their past mistakes and from those made by Democrats these past 2 years and we will see some real fiscal conservative ideas to get this economy and country back on track. The question is will you and the President be willing to listen or are you going to insist that you know better than the majority of Americans and seal your fate in 2012?

The Dems/Obama made a huge mistake in 2008 not realizing that the vote was a rejection of current Republican leadership and NOT an endorsement of the progressive/liberal agenda. So far I feel the Republicans/Boehner realize that this is not an endorsement for them but a rejection of the big government run amuck. I think they realize if they revert right back to the Bush years in 2012 the pendulum will swing right back. So instead of throwing these temper tantrums why not see what the next year holds and see if maybe fiscal conservatism and smaller government IS the answer we've been looking for, because it’s been made crystal clear by most Americans that the progressive/liberal big government is NOT the answer.

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Kate CP - posted on 11/05/2010

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Christa: What hate? And again, your whole attitude about this sucks. You seem to be up on a high horse thinking that you have all the answers when you obviously don't. I asked you a simple question: What is a fiscally conservative bill? And you haven't answered that. I'm sorry YOU have no idea what you're talking about, either.

Kelly: You DO realize you can vote for people who are NOT democrats OR republicans, right??

Kelly - posted on 11/04/2010

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Someone stated that they did not vote because it didn't matter anyway. If you voted...GREAT it is your 1st amendment right to bitch and moan all you want! That's what makes our country one of the greatest! And trust me I know that plenty of people complained when Obama was elected. I didn't vote for him but obviously others did and that is how he got into office. Just the same as November 2nd, 2010. Obviously people decided to quit whining and actually vote.People will always be unhappy with whoever takes office...that's politics. A lot of the issues our government had were due to no compromise. I am a proud Republican but I can admit that the ones representing us were not always the best and willing to come to a solution acceptable by both sides. Both parties have to take a long hard look at the state our nation is in and make decisions that will better it rather than act like they are 5 and just want it their way or no way.

Krista - posted on 11/04/2010

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The entire damn system is broken, really. It takes SO much money to run for that office, that you're either dealing with rich people (who have NO clue what it's like to struggle to make ends meet), and/or people whose nuts are held firmly by corporations and lobby groups. And even if someone starts out in politics with good intentions, the Washington bubble soon assimilates them into its Borg, and they lose all touch with reality.

Obama's problem is that he's been trying to keep everybody happy -- the left-leaning progressives who don't think he's progressive enough, and the right-wingers who think is an islamofascistcommiesocialist. And you know what happens when you try to please everybody...you please nobody. Personally, I think he should have raised a gigantic middle finger to the Republicans, smiled, and pushed through some good, progressive legislation. It's not like McCain et al were ever going to work with him anyway, so why not say "the heck with it" and go balls-deep?

Pamela - posted on 11/09/2010

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I haven't had a tantrum yet. But you know what's quite interesting to me? Right after Obama was elected, the far right had some of the biggest tantrums I've ever seen. Republican operatives went into town hall meetings and turned them into circuses. People carried guns (GUNS! And not deer rifles - oh no - full automatic weapons!!) to Obama's public appearances; Tea party candidates make public comments about 2nd amendment solutions; Tea party people carry signs showing Obama as an African medicine man or send emails showing him shining Palin's shoes (nothing racist or anything) and have an all out hissy fit. Isn't it funny? The right has huge tantrums and accuses the left of having tantrums. Has anyone noticed this? Or is it just me?

Krista - posted on 11/06/2010

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Yeah...when Obama won, I don't remember a whole lot of Republicans saying, "Well, I guess this is just what America wants." Instead, I remember more than one pundit talking about how the AA vote "skewed" the results (because evidently AAs aren't actual voters? Or aren't actually Americans?)

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ME - posted on 11/09/2010

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YES! I had noticed that...I haven't had a single tantrum...I don't even know anyone who's had one...but I DO remember many tantrums from the right (including much of the republican and tea party leadership)...what's that old saying about removing the plank from your own eye before looking to the spec in your brothers...???

Sara - posted on 11/09/2010

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It's probably just a result of the liberal education system that fuels the liberal media in this country...

Dana - posted on 11/09/2010

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I've noticed it too Pamela. ;) I just figure that you can point it out all damn day long but, the right will ignore it, give excuses or divert.

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Ironically Iris, I used to be one of those people who believed that if someone didn't vote Rep or Dem, they didn't vote. And to make it worse, as I got older and realized that other political parties existed, I still felt that a person voting anything other than Rep or Dem was a wasted vote. Traditionally candidates from the "other" parties are often portrayed as "radical" and "eccentric" or "kooky" and "crazy" at the very least.

Now that I am a wife, mother, home owner and small business owner, I have discovered that some of the "other" parties are quite credible and have some good solutions to our collective problems. It's a shame they don't have the money and/or recognition to make a big impact. I think the days of the 2 party monopoly in Washington needs to end. I wonder how that could happen without big money donations and corruption influencing the process.

Iris - posted on 11/08/2010

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I find it quite sad when people talk politics and someone says they didn't vote Rep or Dem, they automatically think the person didn't vote at all...

Jenny - posted on 11/06/2010

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Well of course Laura. We all know the left doesn't believe in anything, they just react to what the "real" leaders do on the right. *rolls eyes*

Isobel - posted on 11/06/2010

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I do find it humorous though...that when the democrats win it's just a vote against Bush, but when the republicans win it's ACTUALLY how America feels.

Rosie - posted on 11/06/2010

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oh yes, and the mistake the the american public makes is not the not realizing that people wanted bush out, not the republicans, but that we are so reactive to EVERYTHING. swine flu-don't go outside, sanitize everything, panic, panic, panic. bush sucks, panic, panic, panic, obama is not going fast enough, panic, panic, panic. we are a reactive society. plain and simple. republicans are great at playing off of fear, and conservatives are really good at falling for it.

Kate CP - posted on 11/06/2010

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Oh, lord. Oh...oh that was a funny one. *wipes tears from eyes*

Rosie - posted on 11/06/2010

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The question is will you and the President be willing to listen or are you going to insist that you know better than the majority of Americans and seal your fate in 2012?



i'm sorry, who's not willing to listen? i don't think that having a speaker of the house that claims their goal now is to "We're going to do everything - and I mean everything we can do - to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can." when talking about obamas agenda. and "his parties main goal is denying obama's reelection" is condusive to "listening".

LaCi - posted on 11/06/2010

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This isn't about rejecting anyone's "agenda" because they ALL have the same agenda. I called the majority of Americans MORONS because they don't REALIZE that the course of the country will NOT change because they vote democrat or republican. Maybe YOU should re-read my original post.

Christa - posted on 11/06/2010

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LaCi, please read what I wrote. Here is it again.

It's about time he and the "progressives' stop assuming they are more intelligent than all other Americans. LaCi, thanks for proving my point. "No, what has been made clear by the american people is that the majority are complete morons who think politicians wave magic wands and correct all mistakes as soon as they get in office."

Instead of realizing America sent Obama a message that rejects his progressive agenda, he as well as you and other progressives dismiss the rest of the country as morons. THAT is what you proved me right on in your original post (you said the quote in the above comment). I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

Kate, I'm done talking to you. Please get some political education.

LaCi - posted on 11/05/2010

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Christa, as far as I can tell you're the GOP cheerleader. So I'm pretty sure your "rah rah rah elephants" and my "nothing is going to change" are not the same point.

LaCi - posted on 11/05/2010

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I did vote, I did not vote for a democrat or republican. Don't make assumptions.

Christa - posted on 11/05/2010

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LaCi, you proved my point with the quote I gave in the post where I said you proved my point. Please re-read.

Kate, your hate is noted. . . .If that didn't answer your question I don't know what to tell you. . . . Maybe open your eyes and look over the crap that has come out of the house over the last two years. A trillion dollar healthcare bill that is only making things more expensive for just about everyone WHILE putting the country as a whole further into dept. Not very fiscally responsible for anyone involved. The stimulus bill, 787 billion flushed down the toilet and what do we have to show for it? A higher unemployment rate and people (not all) milking their two plus years of unemployment checks. Again where's the responsibility? Please do some research before commenting on something you appear to know nothing about.

Kelly - posted on 11/05/2010

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Dana- If you read my post in more detail you would see that I was referring to our politicians who can't come to a compromise and act like they are 2 just wanting it their way or the highway. If you feel me giving my opinion is bitching, well so be it.That is what makes America great...you are allowed those opinions!

LaCi- It was your very own post where you stated not voting.(See below) If you did your post was a bit confusing. Did you vote for an independent candidate or a Tea Party candidate?


"Not that I care. I voted for zero republicans and zero democrats, because I already KNOW they're all going to be complete shit. I've accepted that fact. Everyone else needs to as well. It doesn't matter one bit who you vote for, because you get the choice of one of two people who will be exactly the same quality when they get into office."

LaCi - posted on 11/05/2010

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"Someone stated that they did not vote because it didn't matter anyway. "

"I love that people are throwing such a fit over this but didn't even "bother to vote cause what does it matter?"




I'm trying to figure out who said they didn't vote. Where did that come from? I can't find it anywhere.

Krista - posted on 11/05/2010

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People will always be unhappy with whoever takes office...that's politics. A lot of the issues our government had were due to no compromise. I am a proud Republican but I can admit that the ones representing us were not always the best and willing to come to a solution acceptable by both sides. Both parties have to take a long hard look at the state our nation is in and make decisions that will better it rather than act like they are 5 and just want it their way or no way.

I agree completely. Unless your politicians can stop being so damned partisan and start trying to solve some problems, your country is going to suffer mightily.

Dana - posted on 11/05/2010

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Kelly, where are people acting like two year olds? It seems that you're the one coming in here doing the bitching.

Kate CP - posted on 11/04/2010

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Kelly: I do believe we ALL voted and thus we have every right to bitch and moan. And I repeat my earlier statement: did nobody "throw a tantrum" when Obama was elected? Were y'all living under a rock during the 2008 election?

Kelly - posted on 11/04/2010

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Great post!!! I love that people are throwing such a fit over this but didn't even "bother to vote cause what does it matter?"...Well if you don't like how your country is being run and you think there needs to be a change the only way to do so is to vote. And America has spoken!!! This has been a huge learning exp for all the seat holders in the govt. And they can only continue to learn more. Here is to hoping that there will be more meeting in the middle and really trying to bring America back from the sinking hole that it is in together rather than acting like 2 year olds!!

LaCi - posted on 11/04/2010

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"LaCi, thanks for proving my point. "





What point was that?



I'm pretty sure your point wasn't "fuck the government"



And that IS what my point was. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Kate CP - posted on 11/04/2010

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Yea, you didn't answer my question at all. Nobody puts a bill up with the intent of putting us further into debt. And what fiscally irresponsible bills are you talking about?

These are all buzz words you're using and they really have no meaning behind them.

Christa - posted on 11/04/2010

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What's with the language? And I didn't think that was a hard thing to comprehend in a political forum, but. . . .What I meant by that was bills that will cut our debts and deficits primarily by controlling spending. You know the house controls the purse strings of our government, right? It’s the opposite of anything that has come out of the house over the last 2 years, things with trillion dollar price tags, you know those fiscally irresponsible bills. You know checks we can’t cash?

Kate CP - posted on 11/04/2010

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Could some one PLEASE explain to me what the fuck "fiscally conservative bills" means?

Christa - posted on 11/04/2010

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We will see what happens. . . I believe you will see some great fiscally conservative bills coming out of the house and we will see what the Reid led Senate and Obama does. Will they become "the party of no" or will they come and meet us in the middle? Given past precedence I can see them saying no.

I also think you will see a lot more shady backroom politics from Obama. Since he can't get things done through congress he will go and do things by the back door. Did you catch in his speech how he plans to try and ram the DADT through the "lame duck" session? I think that comment is pretty telling. Instead of saying "message received" like Clinton did and being pragmatic he will hang on to what HE thinks is right and he will be a one term president. It's about time he and the "progressives' stop assuming they are more intelligent than all other Americans. LaCi, thanks for proving my point. "No, what has been made clear by the american people is that the majority are complete morons who think politicians wave magic wands and correct all mistakes as soon as they get in office."

Sara, to your snide comment. . . . I have two children under 3 and my husband works almost morning until night every day since I've been laid off. I don't have much time to eat or shower much less come in here and waste time. I like to come here when I think there might be something interesting being said and after Tuesday I thought it might be interesting. I'm sorry you've missed me. ;)

LaCi - posted on 11/04/2010

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So here's my question about the future. Do we continue our plan to bribe pakistan, or do we put a boot up their ass?



Cause that's the american waaaaaay. *gets out her banjo*

Sara - posted on 11/04/2010

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I listened to Obama's press conference yesterday and he said that this has forced him to admit that he was in such a hurry to get things done, with the economy and health care for example, that he didn't do anything about HOW they were done. I say, at least we have a guy in the White House who is introspective and admits that he has been wrong. That's refreshing. But I think he's going to be forced to be more centrist in his positions if he doesn't want a stalemate, kind of like what happened to Clinton in the '90's.

And Krista, Obama going "balls deep" isn't a mental image I wanted to have. :P

Sara - posted on 11/04/2010

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I think the real problem in this country is that politicians from both parties are bought and paid for before their ever elected. And now, with corporations able to contribute to campaigns, it will only get worse. *sigh*

Dana - posted on 11/04/2010

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This is exactly what happens though, Krista. Every time. People give each party a few years to try and fix it, of course they can't in a few years and we go back and forth forever while politicians on both sides get rich.

Krista - posted on 11/04/2010

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Nah, you know what'll happen, Dana? The Republicans won't do anything useful about the economy or the war, but they'll do a lot of posturing about "real America", "bootstraps", "freedoms", and all of the other buzzwords that give Glenn Beck a hard-on, nothing will get fixed, and the right-wing politicians and pundits will blame Obama for being "obstructionist" (because you KNOW the Republicans were oh-so cooperative and bipartisan when they were the minority, right?)

Plus ca change...

Dana - posted on 11/04/2010

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I'm actually not bothered at all by them taking the house. I'd like to see what they would like to do since all they seem to do is bitch without any real solution. I was looking forward to this point, give 'em enough rope...

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Throwing tantrums? I haven't seen anyone throwing a tantrum. In fact, most Democrats already predicted weeks ago, that the "House" would be taken over by the Republicans. Historically that is what has always happened when one party held all three branches of government. I don't know any Democrat that was surprised. But to suggest that we are throwing tantrums would imply that we "lost" something. Sure we would have loved to hold onto the "House" but we still have the Presidency and the Senate...that hardly is a loss.

I think this midterm election, just like the 2008 election, had very little to do with Democratic policies or Republican policies. I think it had to do with the American people tired and frustrated with both parties and their bipartisan bickering. The American people want results. They want action. They want to see the people they elected, do their jobs.They want to see both sides coming to the table, sharing ideas and coming to a consensus that benefit the American people and not just the politician or the party. This election was a referendum on "radical" ideas and desire to silence the "us" versus "them" mindset. The American people want to see a "balance" of power. They want a combination of both fiscal responsibility and attention to social issues. Not one or the other. That's what they thought was going to happen with Obama and that's what they're expecting from the Republicans now. But that's just what I think...

Sara - posted on 11/04/2010

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Well, the GOP has pretty much proven they don't care about long-term results, only short-term "success". Thanks a million (or a few hundred billion)!

Dana - posted on 11/04/2010

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Just goes to show how immature a lot of republicans can be. :( I mean, look at John McCain's statement before. Such awful people...

Sara - posted on 11/04/2010

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I just don't understand why people think Republicans are going to be any better. Their party's leadership in the house has openly stated their goal is to make BO a one term President. Holding up legislation to make him and his party look bad so they can win, how do you respect that? That is not working for your constituents. The Dems aren't blameless, but the GOP has really turned that kind of crap into an art form.

Dana - posted on 11/04/2010

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I have to say, I loved Obama's joke a few months back. "You want to go forward, what do you do? You put it in 'D.' When you go backward, what do you do? You put it in 'R.'"

Unfortunately, people prefer to go back, I can't wait until 2012 when they realize the Republicans don't do shit for them. This has happened to 3 presidents in mid-term, all three got re-elected when those 4 yrs came up. ;)

ME - posted on 11/04/2010

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I haven't thrown any tantrums...who's throwing tantrums?
I am hoping that this will be the kick in the arse progressives need to come back stronger than ever...we've been patient with the regressives long enough...I don't want to take America back to the dark ages with them...

Sara - posted on 11/04/2010

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Well, I'm just shocked. I never would have, in a million years, expected you to come back to this forum when you haven't contributed for weeks, just to say something like this. This has just really shaken the foundation of my worldview.

Kate CP - posted on 11/03/2010

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Also, you know what happens when the people with ALL THAT MONEY get to be conservative and keep all that money? They keep it. They don't hire new workers and the ones they DO hire are cheap foreign labor, they don't pay higher taxes into the system to get us out of this deficit, and they don't frickin' share. How is being conservative with big businesses money helping you or me in any way?!

Kate CP - posted on 11/03/2010

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Wait, so when Obama won the presidency the republicans and conservatives DIDN'T speak out about how pissed they were about it? Were you living in a hole during the 2008 elections?!

Dana - posted on 11/03/2010

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Where has anyone thrown tantrums? lol



Great post though, and people wonder why the two parties can't get along...

LaCi - posted on 11/03/2010

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"because it’s been made crystal clear by most Americans that the progressive/liberal big government is NOT the answer"

No, what has been made clear by the american people is that the majority are complete morons who think politicians wave magic wands and correct all mistakes as soon as they get in office.

Not that I care. I voted for zero republicans and zero democrats, because I already KNOW they're all going to be complete shit. I've accepted that fact. Everyone else needs to as well. It doesn't matter one bit who you vote for, because you get the choice of one of two people who will be exactly the same quality when they get into office.

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