Lou Dobbs quits CNN

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Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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See, I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to see President Obama's birth certificate. John McCain had to make sure everything was in order since he was born in Panama. I tended to agree with Lou Dobbs on this issue, just show it and get it done. If they had done that from the get go all this crap that we had been hearing for months would have been ended.

I watched his show last night since it was the last one and what he said made perfectly good sense. I wish I could find a clip of it. I'll keep looking. It seems he's still concerned with the issues that the left is concerned about.

I also think that illegal immigration is a bigger issue than most want to admit. I know where I live illegal immigrants have taken alot of jobs from residents in the area. Unemployment here is ridiculous. I do realize it's different everywhere and I think people need to realize the same thing. That being said, I think Lou Dobbs can take it too far on the issue but, it was nice to hear someone taking the issue up. I also haven't listened to him in months, though.

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I think he left CNN because there was pressure for him to leave. He has always been a no holds barred kind of commentator. Recently however, he has been sympathizing with the "birthers", "ammendmenters" and "tea baggers". A lot of his reporting began to mimic the rhetoric and rantings of Glen Beck and Sean Hannity. I think CNN believed Lou Dobbs was ruining their reputation and diluting their credibility. They didn't want to be associated with anything resembling FOX news.



I say good for them. Whether he left or they pushed him out, there is a difference between reporting with a liberal or conservative slant and falsifying and fabricating information to fit your liberal or conservative views.



I think his extremist views on immigration, finally took him off the deep end. He lost his objectivity and focus. Let them welcome him into crazyville where he belongs!

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Quoting Colleen:

I didn't realize the whole birth certificate thing was still going. I thought they cleared that up long ago. Huh.

Joy, you were born at Ft. Campbell? That's where we're at right now--my husband is stationed here. I'm due in February and our baby will be born here. Small world!



I'm pretty sure they did.  As far as Lou Dobbs I'm not sure when he dropped it but from what I've seen it's not something he's still continuing to look into.  The link that Joy put up if from July.   

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Just to clarify my position...I think everyone has a right to their opinion. My grip with Lou dobbs and CNN is that once upon a time, Lou Dobbs was more of a moderator on his show. A topic was presented, guests with opposing views were invited, and he channeled the discussion. Then the entire format of the show changed. Every show became his opinion and he became more and more extreme. Most moderates watch CNN because they don't want to deal with the trivialization that has become FOX / MSNBC. We want to hear the real news, real facts, with real investigative reporting, not necessary someone's opinion. And if a reporter, starts editorializing every show, whether their name is in the title or not, we the viewers have a right to speak up. When I watch FOX/MSNBC, I know what to expect. Their shows are completely sensationalized. When I turn to CNN and hear the same dribble, your damn right I'm going to express my disappointment. CNN is one of the only networks that hasn't given into the "junk news" war. They seemed to hold themselves to a higher standard and I would like it to stay that way, although I doubt it.

Colleen - posted on 11/12/2009

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I'm of the opinion that if your name is in the title of your show, then it's basically an editorial (with the exception of, say, "Nightly News with Brian Williams", for example). As it was his show, it's his right to say what he believes. Keith Olbermann does it, Rachel Maddow does it, even Chris Matthews does it. It's only when there's a conservative who's communicating his or her personal opinions that it's a problem and that person's speech is labeled as "ranting". Because I've heard some left-wing tv personalities rant and rave with the best of them! :-)

So what if you don't like his views on Obama? He's entitled to his opinion. And as it's his show, he's entitled to communicate that. It's the viewer's choice whether or not to watch him, not to get him kicked off the network. In my opinion, networks SHOULD have people with different opinions. Fox News SHOULD have some left-leaning shows. I wish Combs wouldn't have left "Hannity & Combs". The combination of left and right sitting next to each other and each communicating their vews was very powerful. The mainstream networks SHOULDN'T keep running out their conservative tv personalities. (Note, I'm only using all caps because there's no italics to use for emphasis, not because I'm yelling.)

He started communicating views that made the left uncomfortable, so you all ran him off. How are we supposed to get any balance in our media if people who have differing opinions are pigeonholed into one network that's labeled by the mainstream as "crazy" or not a real news network?

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Colleen - posted on 11/14/2009

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Dana, I'm a little closer to you, don't worry! I'm 29 and this is my first. :-)

Amie - posted on 11/14/2009

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Quoting Laura:

I have a theory that you start aging the minute you give birth...so you are 7 years younger than me...not 1 ;)


HEY!! Not cool! =P That'd make me older than all of you. Nuh-uh.. not buying it. LOL

Amie - posted on 11/14/2009

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Quoting Laura:

(except me and Amie of course) ;P


It's staying that way too. 4 kids is enough. LOL! I'm already getting white hair cause of the lil boogers, stress man. I'm only 27! ='( LOL!

Isobel - posted on 11/14/2009

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I have a theory that you start aging the minute you give birth...so you are 7 years younger than me...not 1 ;)

Jenny - posted on 11/14/2009

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Quoting Laura:

I'm gonna get my tubes tied ;P



I had mine done at 28. The baby making factory is closed for business.

JL - posted on 11/14/2009

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I am so thankful my hubby got his stuff fixed last Fall..no more baby making for me.

ME - posted on 11/14/2009

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I know a few who either just gave birth or are pregnant now with me too...it is a baby boom.

Colleen - posted on 11/13/2009

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Lol, I know, right? I could probably name 10 women, off the top of my head, who are due within a month on either side of my--and I just found out yesterday that one of them is having twins! It's like a baby boom or something.

JL - posted on 11/13/2009

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Quoting Colleen:

I didn't realize the whole birth certificate thing was still going. I thought they cleared that up long ago. Huh.

Joy, you were born at Ft. Campbell? That's where we're at right now--my husband is stationed here. I'm due in February and our baby will be born here. Small world!


CONGRATULATIONS!!  Yeah, I was born at Fort Campbell. My dad was stationed there at the time. I was born in January.

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Just to add to this birth certificate topic, when I got married in 1992, I had to apply for a new birth certificate before I could apply for my marriage license because my original birth certificate was illegible. I was issued a certificate of live birth. I was told by the department of records that they didn't issue birth certificates anymore. The certificate of birth, as was explained to me, has the same issue number as my original birth certificate, which is proof that my document is authentic. As long as "the powers that be" have authenticated Obama's certificate of birth, who the hell cares what anybody else thinks? Talk show hosts and politicians have all asked for the issue number so that they can authenticate the document. Who the hell are they? And I for one don't want everyone having access to his private documents. Since when have talk show hosts and politicians become experts in authenticating documents anyway? It's ridiculous.



By the way, both of my sons were both issued certificates of live birth in 2003 and 2005. Does that mean they're not citizens either?



I don't recall Lou Dobbs focusing on the birth certificate too long after July, but every topic that FOX seemed to focus on, so did he. He seemed to give credibility to their stories even in the face of opposing facts. It made you wonder why he was supporting "hysteria" instead of analyzing the facts.

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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Quoting Laura:

but...hear me out. He is well loved throughout the country...and he's married to a Kennedy



LMAO, Maybe he is well loved in Canada but, not here.  The only reason he won to begin with is that he's a movie star that ran  in a movie star state.  The fact that he's married to a Shriver doesn't count. 

Colleen - posted on 11/12/2009

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I didn't realize the whole birth certificate thing was still going. I thought they cleared that up long ago. Huh.

Joy, you were born at Ft. Campbell? That's where we're at right now--my husband is stationed here. I'm due in February and our baby will be born here. Small world!

JL - posted on 11/12/2009

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You know the whole conspiracy theory concerning his birth certificate would make for a good plot for a book or a movie. Hmmm..I gotta start on that one.

JL - posted on 11/12/2009

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Just for the record my birth certificate actually says at the top "Live Certificate of Birth" and I was born in Fort Campbell, Kentucky. I was there for less than a year and then moved overseas. My daughters birth certificate says at the top "Live Certificate of Birth" and she was born in Bethesda, Maryland not far from our nations capital. My husbands birth certificate says at the top "Live Certificate of Birth" and he was born in Greenville, North Carolina. I am starting to see a trend here...the use of the wording live certificate of birth is common throughout many states and the use of short forms is a common practice.



Here is some stuff about Lou Dobbs and how come his CNN colleagues had issue with his Obama birth certificate claims.



http://mediamatters.org/research/2009071...



I really cannot even believe this is still being brought up but thanks to Lou Dobbs it is and for the record neither I or my husband have long form birth certificates and as a member of the military working in the highest levels of intelligence my husband has never been questioned for not having a "long form" birth certificate or for having a live certificate of birth.



I would think that one of the members of the intelligence agency under the Bush administration would have blew the crap out of the toilet water if during their vetting of Obama they found he had a false or even questionable birth certificate, but no it was a man who is a known nutter and an anti-semite who likes to file absurd court cases and waste taxpayer money who initially brought up the conspiracy theory.



All I know is this would have to be the deepest longest craziest conspiracy to ever happen in world history and would involve a number of state governments along with newspapers starting back into 1961, a number of schools, intelligence agencies, the federal government, and medical personel. I give the whole thing a nuttier than chunky peanut butter on my personal scale of crazy internet conspiracy theories. I think it is just as crazy as saying that Bush engineered 9/11.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...

Jenny - posted on 11/12/2009

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Just curious what you're reason is for that Christa? Say a family moved to America with their infant and that person spent their entire life living, learning, working and loving in America. Then they became successful and otherwise suited for the job are they not just as American as one born in an American hospital? John McCain was born in Panama but on a military base (I think). If he'd been born 25 miles away from that hospital should that disqualify him from seeking the Presidency?

Jenny - posted on 11/12/2009

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I was planning on going to post secondary for journalism. I can't stand living in big cities though and the nearest school was in Burnaby on the coast. I wish I could experience what they are teaching the students especially as far ethics and nuetrality goes. I don't like this new style of newsertainment. 24 hours news stations are not a good thing save for major breaking stories. It is creating the culture of fear. They have 1 hour original content on most days and the rest is filled with the latest celebritiy breakdown, profiling child abductors (looking at you Nancy Grace) and analyze the crap out of everything. I really don't think there are more child predators out there then when I was growing up but you sure hear about them more. And now you have parents who pretty much won't let their kids go to the bathroom without an escort let alone play outside of the gated yard.



So now we've reached this point where we actually have to do our own reasearch on our news and make a decision on what actually happened in a story. WTF is that all about? The news is supposed to tell US what's happening. To inform and educate, not to give angles on stories. I don't want my reporters to have a public political opinion. There is no such thing as conservative or liberal news. When you decide to be a journalist you should go out of your way to remain nuetral so your reporting never comes into question in the first place.

Isobel - posted on 11/12/2009

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but...hear me out. He is well loved throughout the country...and he's married to a Kennedy

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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Quoting Sara:

i don't know Dana...i don't want Arnold Schwartznegger to be the President! :)



Ha!  Like he would ever have a chance in hell.  lmao, rofl

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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Quoting Sara:

I agree people had a right to question it, of course. I just think that even once it was shown, it turned into this big, ridiculous media circus.  I totally agree too!

I absolutely believe that every person in this country should question your leaders, it's your duty, and i respect the constitution and take that right very seriously.


 

Sara - posted on 11/12/2009

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i don't know Dana...i don't want Arnold Schwartznegger to be the President! :)

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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I'd like to also add, I think it's a stupid law anyway. I think it should be changed. Say that John McCain or Barack Obama wasn't born here but, lived their whole life here. Should that really stop them from being president? I think they should change it to you have to live here for so many years or so but, I do mean *many* years.

Sara - posted on 11/12/2009

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I agree people had a right to question it, of course. I just think that even once it was shown, it turned into this big, ridiculous media circus.

I absolutely believe that every person in this country should question your leaders, it's your duty, and i respect the constitution and take that right very seriously.

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Quoting Sara:



Quoting Christa:

Now I never watched him, but based off of these comments I think it's clear why he left. These liberal stations have no tolerance for anyone who has a different opinion. Why are the tea baggers crazy? Why is asking Obama to show an actual birth certificate such a bad thing? I do agree there are people who went to far on the birth certificate thing, but why is asking for a copy of a birth certificate (something I'm assuming we all have ourselves) such a terrible, crazy question?

Or media is becoming a toxic environment for anyone with a conservative opinion, and I hate to break it to the media, but roughly 50% of the population is conservative. Why do you think Fox beats, kills, all the other networks in ratings? Because those who are conservative and share the same questions as the "crazies" (your words not mine) have no one else asking those questions. And when they do suddenly they are heading over to Fox. God know Fox has it's problems, but just because a person has a conservative viewpoint doesn't make them crazy. After Stossel and now Dobbs, who is next?






I think Fox "kills" other shows in the ratings because it's so sensational.  I don't think it's necessarily because everyone that watches Fox agrees with their politics, it's enterainment.  You know the saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"?  I think that applies here.  I listen to Rush Limbaugh sometimes, and God knows I don't agree with him.  I think the media is becoming a toxic environment, period, not just for conservatives.






 






And about the birth certificate, it was shown, it was posted on Obama's website and it was a matter of public record.  All the controversy surrounding it was totally made up and it turned into a battle of what exactly does it mean to have a "certificate of birth" vs. a "birth cerfiticate".  Well, they're the same freakin' thing!  That is what is so frustrating.  When Bush was President people were criticizing him based off of facts, but it seems like (to me) Obama is criticized for a number of things that are unfounded and basically just smear campaigns to fool the less-informed and distract from the real issues.  And Fox has had a huge hand in all of that.  My problem with Fox isn't that they are conservative.






 






Sorry, off topic, but I wanted to respond. 





Yes, it was shown eventually.  The point of it is though, it all could have been avoided had they done it right away.  Which they didn't.  I'm not saying I don't think President Obama isn't a natural born citizen.  I just think that people had the right to question it, as well as Lou Dobbs.



  I want to question ALL of those who run this country.  I don't think President Obama is imperfect and if people don't question then how will we ever know the truth.  I HATED (yes I mean to yell that one, although I'm not worked up.  lol)  when people blindly followed former President Bush.  I vowed to not ever do that with my candidate and I don't have respect for those who do.  Let me be very clear, I don't think that you,Sara, do that.  :)  Just making a point.



~Disclaimer~  I actually am not talking about anyone specifically, just to be clearer! lol

Sara - posted on 11/12/2009

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Thing is, my daugher has a Cerfiticate of Birth, that's what it says. My memory is a little cloudy, but I'm failry certain she was born here an is a US citizen! :)

Isobel - posted on 11/12/2009

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I didn't say they were crazy. I said that CNN viewers have that opinion (I said right or wrong I don't judge).

I think every cable station sells to a particular market. Every cable station has the right to choose which shows to carry and which shows not to based on their target market. If they lose advertising dollars because of a particular show...they're not going to want to carry that show anymore. It's about money, not opinions.

There's nothing wrong with asking to see a birth certificate, but it *did* go too far.

(that's my new emphasis technique...the stars...to make sure nobody thinks i'm angry when I just want to make sure you see a word ) ;)

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Quoting Christa:

Now I never watched him, but based off of these comments I think it's clear why he left. These liberal stations have no tolerance for anyone who has a different opinion. Why are the tea baggers crazy? Why is asking Obama to show an actual birth certificate such a bad thing? I do agree there are people who went to far on the birth certificate thing, but why is asking for a copy of a birth certificate (something I'm assuming we all have ourselves) such a terrible, crazy question?

Or media is becoming a toxic environment for anyone with a conservative opinion, and I hate to break it to the media, but roughly 50% of the population is conservative. Why do you think Fox beats, kills, all the other networks in ratings? Because those who are conservative and share the same questions as the "crazies" (your words not mine) have no one else asking those questions. And when they do suddenly they are heading over to Fox. God know Fox has it's problems, but just because a person has a conservative viewpoint doesn't make them crazy. After Stossel and now Dobbs, who is next?



I think Fox "kills" other shows in the ratings because it's so sensational.  I don't think it's necessarily because everyone that watches Fox agrees with their politics, it's enterainment.  You know the saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"?  I think that applies here.  I listen to Rush Limbaugh sometimes, and God knows I don't agree with him.  I think the media is becoming a toxic environment, period, not just for conservatives.



 



And about the birth certificate, it was shown, it was posted on Obama's website and it was a matter of public record.  All the controversy surrounding it was totally made up and it turned into a battle of what exactly does it mean to have a "certificate of birth" vs. a "birth cerfiticate".  Well, they're the same freakin' thing!  That is what is so frustrating.  When Bush was President people were criticizing him based off of facts, but it seems like (to me) Obama is criticized for a number of things that are unfounded and basically just smear campaigns to fool the less-informed and distract from the real issues.  And Fox has had a huge hand in all of that.  My problem with Fox isn't that they are conservative.



 



Sorry, off topic, but I wanted to respond. 

Colleen - posted on 11/12/2009

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Quoting Laura:

a little off topic Coleen, but it never occurred to me that someone might think I intended yelling instead of emphasis. I can see now how quite a few of my posts may have been mis-interpreted...I too wish there was an option for italics



I know, it's frustrating, huh? When you "reply with quote" there are italics and stuff, but not with a normal reply. And yeah, with any kind of typing communication (emails, IM's, etc), it's generally considered that all caps is yelling. Eek!

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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Quoting Laura:

a little off topic Coleen, but it never occurred to me that someone might think I intended yelling instead of emphasis. I can see now how quite a few of my posts may have been mis-interpreted...I too wish there was an option for italics



I agree with the italics.  It can be annoying since I tend to use caps for emphasis too.  Although sometimes my emphasis needs to be a little louder!  :)

Colleen - posted on 11/12/2009

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Quoting dana:

He's not a Conservative, actually.



Oops, you're right. Considering where the media is at these days, I automatically assume that people who aren't totally left-leaning are conservatives! My bad.

Isobel - posted on 11/12/2009

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a little off topic Coleen, but it never occurred to me that someone might think I intended yelling instead of emphasis. I can see now how quite a few of my posts may have been mis-interpreted...I too wish there was an option for italics

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I don't believe he was falsifying and fabricating information on his show, but he was definitely cheering Glen Beck's and Sean Hannity's support of the "birthers", etc. (who most people I know believe falsify and fabricate their stories for more dramatic effect). He often appauled their position or opposition I should say, of the white House. On one show that I watched, one of the guests asked Lou Dobbs if he personally felt Obama was an illegal alien, even though he (Obama) has produced a certificate of birth. Lou Dobbs said when Obama can produce a birth certificate, then he will be convinced.



I think the CNN audience started to see a trend developing that they weren't comfortable with and spoke out. It's one thing to editorialize a topic on your show, but when you start using your show as a forum for your personal beliefs, I think people get uncomfortable. And he was speaking out more and more on this topic.



He did the same thing with immigration. In the beginning, His outlook was broad and wide and brought to light the incompetence and mismanagement of this country's policies on immigration. He explained how illegal aliens in this country are effecting all of us socially and economically. Our education, healthcare and employment opportunities are being stretched to the limit because of the rise in illegal aliens in this country. He used to talk about solutions to the problem.



Then after 9/11, something happened. His approach seemed to narrow. Every show seemed to be a rant about Mexicans and how to keep them out of this country. He even talked about the possibility of Al Queada sneaking in through Mexico. He tried to make securing the borders and issue of national security against terrorism. That's when I stopped watching him regularly.



I watch CNN because it seems to be one of the most balanced cable news shows. As Lou Dobbs views became more extreme, I think the audience responded. I know I personally wrote an e-mail to the station when I heard his views on Obama. I guess I wasn't the only one.

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

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Okay, I'm curious if anyone has listened to what Lou Dobbs has said about the birth certificate "debate". What I've heard isn't that bad. He was asking questions about it when it first came to light. Which were legitimate questions. Does anyone have any other info?

Isobel - posted on 11/12/2009

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I would guess she means "credibility" with CNN's audience who, by and large believe (right or wrong...I don't judge) that the "birthers", "ammendmenters" and "tea baggers" are crazy.

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Quoting Theresa:

I think he left CNN because there was pressure for him to leave. He has always been a no holds barred kind of commentator. Recently however, he has been sympathizing with the "birthers", "ammendmenters" and "tea baggers". A lot of his reporting began to mimic the rhetoric and rantings of Glen Beck and Sean Hannity. I think CNN believed Lou Dobbs was ruining their reputation and diluting their credibility. They didn't want to be associated with anything resembling FOX news.

I say good for them. Whether he left or they pushed him out, there is a difference between reporting with a liberal or conservative slant and falsifying and fabricating information to fit your liberal or conservative views.

I think his extremist views on immigration, finally took him off the deep end. He lost his objectivity and focus. Let them welcome him into crazyville where he belongs!



Was he falsifying and fabricating information on his shows? Only asking because I barely watched him.

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Quoting Laura:



Quoting Colleen:

Apparently he met with reps from Fox back in September, but according to both parties, nothing is certain.

I guess John Stossel left ABC for Fox News, too. Kinda begs the question, are these more conservative journalists leaving because their views don't always line up with the majority of their network, or are they being nudged out for the same reason? Or maybe a little bit of both? Interesting stuff.





OR...hate to be the devil's advocate here...is the money better?






Hey, don't hate on being the devil's advocate--there are some situations when somebody has to be! You're right, it could definitely be something as simple and bottom-line as the money. Who knows?

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I agree Theresa, I heard a rumor this morning that the talks with Fox news fell through, and he might be planning a career in politics...President Dobbs anyone??? I doubt it, seems pretty far fetched to me, but who knows. I don't think he could win country-wide...too much wacked out, hate filled speech directed at immigrants, and then there's the lies and fabrications about the president...I don't think a racist could win in this country anymore...at least, I hope not!!!

Isobel - posted on 11/11/2009

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Quoting Colleen:

Apparently he met with reps from Fox back in September, but according to both parties, nothing is certain.

I guess John Stossel left ABC for Fox News, too. Kinda begs the question, are these more conservative journalists leaving because their views don't always line up with the majority of their network, or are they being nudged out for the same reason? Or maybe a little bit of both? Interesting stuff.


OR...hate to be the devil's advocate here...is the money better?

Colleen - posted on 11/11/2009

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Definitely refreshing in this day and age! The question is, if he does actually go to Fox News, would you continue to watch him? ;-)

Colleen - posted on 11/11/2009

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The few times I've watched him (usually when my husband has the remote, lol!), I've felt the same way. I actually really like it when I only agree about half the time--I feel like the content is probably more balanced.

Dana - posted on 11/11/2009

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After 29 yrs with CNN and him saying he has respect for the original founders of CNN, it does make you wonder. I'm bummed I liked him about half the time!

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