Obama a Canadian hit

Amie - posted on 02/01/2010 ( 19 moms have responded )

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st...

WASHINGTON — As U.S. President Barack Obama struggles to reconnect with recession-weary Americans, a new poll suggests his popularity is unrelenting in Canada.

A new Canadian Press-Harris Decima survey says Obama would be elected with a majority north of the border regardless of whether he was leading the Liberals or the Tories.

The survey suggests that if Obama was Liberal leader, 48 per cent of Canadians would vote for the party. That would result in the Tories losing a large chunk of their base, with 30 per cent of them saying they'd vote Liberal if Obama had Michael Ignatieff's job.

If he was at the Conservative helm, 43 per cent of Canadians would cast their ballots for the Tories.

Doug Anderson, president of Harris/Decima, says he suspects the health-care debate that's been raging in the United States for months has likely cemented Canadian affection for Obama.

"That is something that is near and dear to Canadians, and he's out there fighting for it," Anderson said Wednesday, a few hours before Obama was slated to deliver his first offical state-of-the-union address.

"Universal health care is something that we value, and he's espousing its importance down there, and that's something Canadians admire."

Aside from party politics, the poll suggests the majority of Canadians continue to hold a high opinion of the president. Fifty-two per cent of those polled said he's exceeded their expectations since his election, while 15 per cent said he's done as well as they expected him to do. Nineteen per cent gave him a poor performance review.

East of Manitoba, those surveyed gave him particularly positive marks for his job performance. From Manitoba to British Columbia, support was lower, but the majority were still of the view that Obama had done better than expected.

Harris Decima interviewed slightly more than 1,000 Canadians between Jan. 21 and Jan. 24. The survey has margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

The poll results might understandably prompt Obama to ponder a move north of the border, Anderson joked.

"He could have another beavertail," he said, referring to Obama's jubilant visit to the Canadian capital last year, which included an impromptu jaunt to a downtown market to pick up one of the popular Canadian pastries.

In the U.S., meantime, Obama's approval ratings have been sagging and now sit at about 50 per cent.

The president has been humbled in recent weeks by the election of a single Republican to the late Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat. Scott Brown's win essentially gives Republicans enough senators to put the brakes to Obama's legislative agenda, including his cherished health-care overhaul.

In his first official state of the union address on Wednesday, Obama was expected to once again try to rally bipartisan support for some form of health-care reform in addition to charting his course for 2010.

Some political observers say Brown's win was a populist repudiation of the president and his progressive politics.

Canadians apparently feel no such distaste for Obama, Anderson said.

"Right now in Canada, people are not soaking up the same kind of negative sentiment that Americans are; they are not feeling the ineffectiveness that some Americans are about him. They see him instead as pursuing something, in health care, that is worth pursuing," he said.

"There has not been a significant reduction in admiration that Canadians have for him. What they see is the kind of persona that they admire and the kind of leader they'd like to see in Canada."

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Just wanted to point out what jumped at me. Canadian CONSERVATIVES would vote for Obama. This is how different it is from here to there.

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ME - posted on 02/07/2010

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I've gotta say...I find it very difficult to understand the notion that the dem. party is SO MUCH different than it used to be...my parents are indepent voters, but as educators they are slightly more likely to vote democrat, so I've been aware of politics most of my life...the dems main party platform has always been about education, blue collar workers, social programs, and helping those in need...are their programs perfect? NO! Are human beings fallible when it comes to the bribes of lobbiests...unfortunately, yes, all of them (not just dems); that's a failure of our system, not dems in particular. But the failed trickle-down economics of the republicans (which they keep pushing under different titles) is FAR FAR worse for the working class than the attempts made by dems to help the poor, i.e., the majority, in this country. In addition...the repubs have always touted their stance as anti-big government...UNLESS big government would hurt the poor and help the wealthy (eg., failed war on drugs and the TRILLIONS of dollars they've thrown away on that war on the poor). OR, UNLESS, big government would keep people from attaining their civil rights (eg., women, lgbt population, african americans, etc...), thereby keeping the poor and disenfranchised powerless in our country...the repubs are afraid that more power for others will mean less for them (maybe?)...

Obama's ideas look a lot like Roosevelts did DECADES ago...is he as strong a leader...no, unfortunately not...but different party, not really. People like Obama around the world, because the rest of the world is more progressive as a whole than Americans are. Listening to the garbage coming out of the tea party convention, and living in an area where their ideas are reletively popular makes that very apparent. These tea-party folks are trying to infiltrate the repub. party, and they are doing a pretty good job. It's the repubs that are beginning to look nothing like their financially conservative predessessors. I hate the idea of having to move my children to a huge (diverse) city in order to avoid the hate-filled, mostly untrue rhetoric of these people, but it's looking more and more like I don't have a choice.

Kelley - posted on 02/05/2010

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Jenny I appreciate that and honestly if I were lib/dem, I would feel the same. And I would be saying just go ahead w/ the agenda, but as a repubican this terrifies me, and so for this simple reasoning that the 'founding fathers' set checks and balances into action within our constitution/governing branches.

Now with that acknowledgement, I also want to interject.

That as a former business owner, I soon realized the only way to expand econimic growth is to give these businesses a tax break instead of breaking their back with tax burden, and peanlties, and regulation, and so on...

BUT the Obama administration has set forth so many regulations and restrrictions and penalties, which are futher crippling our economic growth. Now with that said the Bush administration tried so hard to over compensate for the attack on the USA perpetuated in the 911 attacks that they then set forth a false sense of assurance in home loans, and many people fell pray to the old philosphy of 'make your home your biggest investment' (by the way this was something taught and perpetuated in the college think of my generation..I'm 40...if you were wondering) and so they thought that if I put his money in my home - over time I will come out ahead in later years. SO with that mindset most of my neighbors sold their homes and went into these bad loans (w/ bigger homes) that had 'soon to be inflating rates (balloon interest) that eventually has cost them their homes(sadly and unfortunately) but it was a product of what they were taught.

Anyway with that stated this false sense of growth - then spurred the building industry to build and finace more and more homes (i'm saying this because I wathced the bottom fall out,of the building ind., like I've never seen in 20yrs.), and My husband and I have been in the building industry for 22 yrs, not as builders but as suppliers to these builders. I've never seen the market come to a complete stop untill 2007, and it did...stop!

Enough of my beefs w/ the Bush Admin. there's nothing I can do to change what was already set into motion and the fallout we're all feeling, but when youd add on top of that crippling measures that 'Kill ' new busness where do you think the American economy, and dollar are going to end up? And for any of those who might be in an international audience, we owe you ALLOT of $'s which I'm sure your governments want to collect as well...Right?



now when you add on top of that heavier tax burden w/ the threath of penalties and fees ($400.00 a day of any laps in coverage) , and possible jail time, of UHC (not to mention the added employee cost) does it supprise anyone why small businesses or large corporrations are bucking this single payer UHC? When you can free up little dreamer or large corporation employers, to hire people, only then will you be able to 'stimulate' the economy to grow...other wise (on OB's current path, it discourages small business from trying to upstart or continue on, and it encourages large corporations to downsize, and as the result this only stimulates unemployment!

This is backwards, we need to 'bring' incentive for econmnonic growth, back into this nation's focus.

Jenny - posted on 02/05/2010

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Good post Kelly.

The black thing is really not issue in Canada. We do not have a history of slavery in this country (unless you count Native Americans and I do). My experience has been we see Obama as a positive role model in the world and as someone that is honestly trying to make things better in the country with the massive load of poop he's been handed. He is someone who thinks things through thouroughly before making decisions and is capable of putting his personal politics aside for the will of the country.

I believe he is losing status in Canada now because he's being seen as weak especially with the health care fiasco. We are fiercly protective of UHC as a whole and it is hard for us to comprehend what is going on with your system and why more people are not standing up to fight for something better.

Then there is not closing Guantanamo as promised. And not standing up for gay rights is another sore point although repealing DADT is a step in the right direction for sure. We see gay equality as a civil rights issue and having legalised gay marriage in our country with no major blowback has solidified that stance.

The financial system is another area. He is being walked all over by these guys. We have a very strict banking system here and it is one of the major reason we didn't take a huge hit in the recession. Yes there were effects but nothing like we seen in the US with entire blocks of houses being foreclosed and such. It comes across as Wall st. workers being valued more than people actually contributing something tangible to the country. Dealing money does jack squat in the long run.

Personally I wish he'd just flip a personality switch and come out as asshole-Obama. Not giving a hoot what anyone thought and getting stuff done son. I seen a glimmer of that in the recent Republican Q&A. Now THAT would be something to see.

Kelley - posted on 02/05/2010

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Ok just starting w/ the Democrat party not what it used to be or what it represented to soooo many hard working Americans of the past.

I grew up in a democrat home. My dad was my hero and he even was a union rep. for a printing co. when I was a kid. I was (still am) so proud of him for taking up the cause of fellow workers who need a break or were truly being jilted.

This is not what I'm seeing in their party anymore, it's riddled with lobbiest and the idea of spending, rather that building business w/ tax brakes and so on - has only lead to employers that have less jobs to offer. (very short answer, there's more if you want).

So in the end it's the hard working family that get's punished or forced to seek gov. assistance, I don't want gov. assistance i want Job opportunity, I want to be my own boss even if it's just of my own finances.



Now with that said you're also correct that the Republican party isn't what it used to be either. I don't mean this as Bush bashing, sometimes we have to put the shoe that fit On... it was very disappointing what I wacthed happen there, the spending and more gov. controls, and less personal freedoms, but I did feel some of the beneits as to giving married couples breaks, busines incentives, tax breaks, and those incentives were appreciated, but building a stronger business/work strong public is so key to all around success and recovery. I don't want the gov. to control more of my life, just give or set in order the proper checks and balances.



what I'm seeing w/ this economy is Higher taxes, more new taxes, and that is suppost to bring all these public options and helps right? Wrong. Not when 2/3's of the businesses have closed or been driven out of business now you've just relegated the remaining 1/3 to pay it all!

In theory that's my beef w/ Obama. I'm so angry w/ this president, He acts like he's running 'never never land' - never get a break!, never get ahead!, Never make good on what he campainged, But push his own agenda (run the big companies into the ground or bankrupt, gov owned companies, single payer insurance system, turn international criminals into fully mirandized beneficiaries of a system they never pay into, health care for all illeagal aliens...)

Maybe Canada is still feeling warm and fuzzy about him because the idea of a black president has a wonderful appeal. I don't know. (by the way color is the last thing i give a hoot about, I'm personally a Keyster fan, and will be till the day I die, but that's beside the point.) There is something so triumphant about a nation that once held a people enslaved and from then to now they are lifted up in representation to the highest position in the land, That's the America where you can make your dreams come true!

But when you weigh the fruit of what's going on the ideal is overshadowed by the bad friut of very reckless spending and Much more gov. controls.

This picture doesn't look very promising to me.



whew!



ok. does it sound so warm and fuzzy now???

Kelley - posted on 02/02/2010

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I'm out here, but have to finish school 1st... I will be posting later.
Looooking so forward to it!

Amie - posted on 02/02/2010

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I honestly can't remember Laura. LOL! Between the coalition BS, forced election talk, etc...this last year I'm surprised I can remember who leads what party. HAHA =)

Isobel - posted on 02/02/2010

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Yes, we have the option to hold a vote of Non-Confidence...and, a little while ago, the liberals and the NDP threatened to join together to oust the Conservatives (which is entirely legal here too). They didn't do it though, because the Canadian public was very vocal about not wanting it. I think the Conservatives joined with the Block didn't they?

Amie - posted on 02/02/2010

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That's another major difference though Kelly. Our people have more power. We are a democracy while the states is a republic. Our leaders can be outed before the next election. Party heads have changed because whoever was leading was bringing the entire party down. Elections have been called for various reasons.

The Liberals would love for an election to be called now but they don't have the strength and Canadians don't want one.

Isobel - posted on 02/02/2010

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I'm actually really disappointed with his health care bill. I think he gave WAY too much. I agree that there are things that haven't gone the way we had expected. I think Canadians like him because (to us) he is centrist, and bipartisan. I think that Republicans don't believe that his effort to be bipartisan was sincere because they were NEVER even willing to consider the option or compromise.

Kelly - posted on 02/02/2010

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The Republican spending increased under W., who was trying to be more bi-partisan and please his Dem. congress........ I think its kind of silly to say Republican spending is out of control when our current Democratic congress and president are on the way to crippling our country with debt. I agree with you that the last election was pitiful, but it has spurred the GOP to kind of step back and re-evaluate. If they don't re-evaluate and change what is broken, they will be losing support as the movement for a new conservative party is gaining strength.

As far as the referenced article goes, it seems the main reason Canadians like him is because of the healthcare deal. That is one thing he has attempted to do and has not acomplished, and I think its a little rediculous that the tone of the article suggests that Canadians think he has exceeded their expectations since the election. He has not accomplished one thing since he entered office except spend money. Every campaign promise has been broken or changed, and you cannot blame Republicans when the Dems control Congress and the WH. Lets face it, the bi-partisan outreach has not been heartfelt from either side of the isle, so you can't really argue that as a reason for nothing happening either. I really wonder how Canadians in general would feel if he was running their country. Most of Europe's "love affair" with him has ended like a bad high school breakup, and he is steadily dropping in the polls in the US. If Canadian's weren't so tunnel visioned on healthcare, would they really think he was a good leader?

Dana - posted on 02/02/2010

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Kelley, I don't think the Democratic party has changed. What changes have been made that you would come to that conclusion? I DO think the Republican party has changed quite a bit. Their (republicans) spending is out of control and they've become more hateful. It's sad to see a party go to shit especially when they're "supposedly" the party of morality. They can't even come together to put forth a proper candidate.



I'm not trying to attack you or any Republicans, this is just what I see of the party.

Isobel - posted on 02/02/2010

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He DID rock the house during that question and answer though...I think his problem is that he is trying to hard to make everyone happy...and in the mean time...nobody is.

Dana - posted on 02/02/2010

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Wow, I wish I felt that strongly about him. I'm beginning to think he *should* have dealt with unemployment first and heath care second if he was going to go after health care half assed. Just my opinion and I'm sure it's not a popular one here either.

Isobel - posted on 02/02/2010

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and the NDP are pretty much socialist ;P I vote for them generally (not because I think that they will win, but because I think they provide a good moral compass as the oposition).

I think that other than the NDP, most of our politicians sit somewhere close to center...it makes it easier to vote on particular issues instead of having to follow party lines.

Amie - posted on 02/01/2010

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Our conservatives sit more to the center but lean to the right on economic issues generally. On Social issues they sit in the center. It's what would be a moderate in the states. We just don't really have the extreme right wing that the states has. Canadians as a whole wouldn't put up with it.

What are you trying to ask about the dems? Do you not understand what their platform is anymore?

Kelley - posted on 02/01/2010

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ok, just seems like the last party on that list is just seems like a contradiction of very basic common sense....
Please expound what is a 'progressive conservative...really curious?
And what the picture of the new democratic party?
I was just having the discusion with my dad that - I don't know what the (US) democratic party is anymore! This is not his, nor his father's democratic party? (but my grandfather was born in 1892) so that's kind of a given for both parties, from that time period :)

Isobel - posted on 02/01/2010

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It just occurred to me that a good many of you would not get that joke...Our three parties are the Liberals, the New Democratic Party, and the Progressive Conservatives...Just thought I'd explain :)

Isobel - posted on 02/01/2010

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well...Up here, even the conservatives are progressive! get it? I crack me up

Amie - posted on 02/01/2010

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Please note this is not America vs. Canada. I should not have to say this but I do because things have degraded to that before. I am pointing out something of interest and to show how very different our two countries are. While there may be a few of our conservatives who are as right wing as the conservatives in the states they are in the vast minority.