Out of curiosity...

Sara - posted on 08/04/2010 ( 30 moms have responded )

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What religion, if any, were you ladies raised with and what do you consider yourselves to be now?

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My mum was raised Christian Methodist but more agnostic in her own beliefs. My Dad is a total Atheist. I went to a Church of England primary school despite my parents lack of faith.

I've found the Christian faith to be far too contradictory. I've swayed more to Paganism. If God exists, then he is the creator of our world with all it's natural power and glory. I believe protecting the planet shows more respect to God than praying for forgiveness of my so called sins in a man-made building.

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~Jennifer - posted on 08/09/2010

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Yeah, Diane - I just 'slammed' my entire family.

*eye roll*

Get a grip.

Pamela - posted on 08/06/2010

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Jen, when I first read "rainbow girl" I thought you meant that you were part of the Rainbow Tribe, following the Grateful dead or something.:o) Guess not though.

Pamela - posted on 08/06/2010

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Oh wow Diane. That was horrible - good for your sister for letting folks know that kind of treatment wasn't okay.

At our church the "oldies" (as in been in the church for a while) are expected to sit closer up front, so that new people can sit wherever their hearts desire. If new folks want to sit in the back for an easier escape route, so be it:o)

I think the reality is even in the best churches around, there will always be people who've been hurt by someone or someones in that church (isn't that just phenomenal sentence structuring?). That's because well, the church is us - and us people can be pretty messed up (and I do include myself in that statement).

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Expedited version:
Raised Episcopalian - happy in church
Was a Rainbow Girl (Masonic Order) in my teens - happy there
married and baptized son in that church
divorced, started talking to other kinds of christians online specifically born-again, creationists.
started questioning why i believed what I believed.
stepped outside Christianity as it could not answer my questions
almost became a Muslim
ended up Atheist.

I can do more detail if you want, time permitting.

Diane - posted on 08/06/2010

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“Stop trying to make an argument where there isn't one, diane....it's old now.”



I am the one who said I was not going to debate it. But however you want to look at it….it was a slam. End of Story.





“I can't believe they plunked you right in the front! (Well, I CAN believe it, I'm sure it was so that you wouldn't just slip quietly out the back and would sit through the whole thing.) Your poor son.”



That is where the newbies sit I guess. There was no slipping out the back door….there were hundreds of people there. Looking back it was hilarious and we still laugh about it. When he comes to church now…sometimes I tap his knee and whisper that the snakes are next. he smiles. It’s a mother son experience I will never forget. I don’t think he has had a cold since……LOL and its been 8 years.



Hahaha…..I carry Kleenex in my purse…and in the back we have a crying room. Its really for babies…but I have seen adults in there.



I cant believe you were standing….I would have sat on the floor, seriously.



And I would not have gone back either.



I have to tell this story because it was sad……but we laugh at it today because my sister is so laid back and never would ever bring attention to herself. She and her husband lived in Tallahasse Florida…and were looking for a church. They thought they had found one…and went to it I think for a month when…….the pastor brought this young girl up front who obviously had gotten herself pregnant. He berated her in front of everyone, even her parents sat there in silence. My sister said it was horrendous. She was used as an example….

Well my sister was horrified and started crying…….she said aloud that this treatment was absolutely uncalled for that Christ never would have acted like this. She said it loud enough for the pastor to look over and to get attention of people in the front. With that she grabbed her husbands arm and walked right down the center of the church……I was not there did not see her face…..but can only imagine the looks she gave them. They never went back and never got a call from them. That poor girl…we wonder today what happened to her.

There are some bad churches…but I do not think they outweigh the good ones. I am sure a lot of people have interesting stories.

Kat - posted on 08/06/2010

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i was baptized methodist (just like my family has since 1758 lol), but never followed anything. celebrated christmas and hanukkah (when we were at my grandma's for a holiday). went to a non denominational sunday school on the navy base when dad was stationed in Norfolk. but we never really went to church at all. my parents said "as long as you guys arent satan worshippers, you can do whatever you want" lol. i also had my son batpized methodist by 3 months old too.

now, i'm pagan. my husband is christian. i still celebrate hanukkah, and christmas, as well as the pagan holidays. we decided to raise our son to choose his own belief system too. church was forced on my husband as a kid, so he was the one who brought up letting our son choose

Pamela - posted on 08/06/2010

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Man oh man Diane. That was a good story:) When we first moved up here to N. Minnesota, my husband and I went looking for a church. So we went to check out this Lutheran Church in town. My oldest son was still an infant and nursing, so at one point I had to get up and find a place where I could nurse him. I had to go downstairs to the fellowship hall. It took awhile and finally my husband came to find me. When we went back up (I was probably gone 15 minutes - Dave was gone not more than 5). We came back up and the ushers were in the process of folding up our chairs. They looked right at us while doing it but didn't offer to set them back up. So we stood the remainder of the service. It's a church, I later discovered, not noted for being real friendly to new people coming in. Didn't go back.

I won't go to a church that has no kleenex.

Krista - posted on 08/06/2010

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If people want to debate that quote, I could put up a new thread about it.



And I don't think Diane actually was trying to start an argument -- she said flat-out that she wasn't going to argue about it in this thread.



Getting back to your story though...OMG that is beyond hilarious. I can't believe they plunked you right in the front! (Well, I CAN believe it, I'm sure it was so that you wouldn't just slip quietly out the back and would sit through the whole thing.) Your poor son.



That whole story would just make a really hilarious scene in a movie.

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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I must admit, Diane, I enjoyed seeing you as a human being there...please don't make this an argument too.

~Jennifer - posted on 08/05/2010

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I quoted it in the context of not continuing in my family's preferred faith.
Stop trying to make an argument where there isn't one, diane....it's old now.
I have no need to argue religion with you, or make a conversation to please you. Make one yourself if you're that high on the concept and take issue with the quote.......not that I'll answer, as I already have in my comment here.

Diane - posted on 08/05/2010

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Krista it was hilarious… it was awkward. We pulled up to this strip mall and the minute we got out of car two men were on us….very nice, hello, how are you…we know you are new…blah blah…they were trying to be nice of course…led us to our seats……UPFRONT AND CENTER. My son had a bad cold and kept coughing….I had only seen someone supposedly speak in tongues once…so I knew what it was. So some people started doing this…and my son about crapped. My kids when they were growing up were used to sitting in the pew in silence. The guy two seats away from my son was on the floor hands up and crying, not crying sobbing…son kept coughing, nose dripping…no Kleenex…it was horrible. He kept looking at me and saying let’s leave. I was so upset because I was looking for a church that he might like…and this ordeal turned him off to the whole thing. That’s why it was so funny when my kids saw me raise my hand up in church. I think son thought it would be the snake next. They love the church I go to now.
The people were good hearted and nice….but it was not our style worship.
We finally half way through…got up and bolted for the door. He had been coughing anyway and we told the guy at the top of the stairs that he was sick….which really was the truth. Then we high tailed it to the car…never to return.
The kids think I am odd for raising my hand during worship…especially if the music or HOLY Spirit moves me. I asked kids if they raised their hands and got down to the music at concerts…….I asked them how they thought they looked and the motive behind it. They understood.
Jenn said, “I do think that this is a quote that some should ponder:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -

-- Mahatma Gandhi”

Pondering …………..Yes Christ was perfect.
But I am wondering why you posted this statement by Ghandi. Are you slamming Christians because I do not think that was what this conversation was about. I would love to debate this quote because I am a Christian apologist…but I will not do it here….not making this negative even though you wish to slam people like me. Make the conversation…I’ll come.

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I used to have a Desiderata poster up on my wall at University. It stood as a constant reminder not to kill my flatmates!

~Jennifer - posted on 08/05/2010

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I've often wondered that, but then came the thought:
"how does one avoid oneself?"

Can't win every time....


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Krista - posted on 08/05/2010

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So if you're avoiding loud and aggressive persons, what the hell are you doing here? ;)

~Jennifer - posted on 08/05/2010

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Let's see.....



I grew up with my mom & grandparents (same property, different houses) .....he was Irish-Catholic, my grandomother was Methodist, as was my mom (although, my mom was leaning more toward Born Again-in my opinion- when she passed, relatively unexpectedly, in May) My mom was to be 'in charge' of the Christian aspects for my children, so I'm not sure where we'll go with that anymore... (they will choose when they feel comfortable from ANY religion, or none, that appeals to them)

I used to go to church w/ my grandmother - Sunday school, then church as I was 'old enough', I was in youth groups at a Baptist church that a friend of mine attended. I've gone with my friends to Temple for Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur; I celebrate Hannukah with them every year. (and if I found a friend that observed Ramadan, well, I'd go celebrate with them as well)



I observe Christmas, because it was my mother's favorite holiday, but my own family also celebrates Yule. I do not celebrate Easter, I do celebrate Ostara.

Somewhere along the line I realized that I just 'didn't believe that way'. I can not find it in my heart to believe that any 1 religion is right, and another is wrong. I believe we are all touched by (the) God(s) in a way that only we, and no one else, can truly understand and that shapes our path and our actions.



(My Gods say 'fuck' a lot, that's how they hooked me)

=)



I'm not a fan of the term 'agnostic' -( that's probably left over from my high school days and a good friend that listened to "Agnostic Front" constantly .....I still don't like that band) so I now just use the term 'ecclectic' when I discuss my 'religious' views.



I do think that this is a quote that some should ponder:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -



-- Mahatma Gandhi





It's going to sound odd, but my mother used to have a plaque that hung in our house by the front door (it's now at my front door) and I honestly believe that it was what helped to shape the way I view 'life'.

I hope you won't mind if I post the content:



Desiderata



Go placidly amid the noise and haste,

and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender,

be on good terms with all persons.



Speak your truth quietly and clearly;

and listen to others,

even to the dull and ignorant;

they too have their story.



Avoid loud and aggressive persons;

they are vexations to the spirit.



If you compare yourself with others,

you may become vain or bitter,

for always there will be greater

and lesser persons than yourself.



Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your own career, however humble,

it's a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.



Exercise caution in your business affairs,

for the world is full of trickery.

But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;

many persons strive for high ideals,

and everywhere life is full of heroism.



Be yourself.

Especially do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love;

for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,

it is as perennial as the grass.



Take kindly the counsel of the years,

gracefully surrendering the things of youth.



Nurture strength of spirit

to shield you in sudden misfortune.

But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.

Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.



Beyond a wholesome discipline,

be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe

no less than the trees and the stars;

you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you,

no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.



Therefore be at peace with God,

whatever you conceive him to be.

And whatever your labors and aspirations,

in the noisy confusion of life,

keep peace in your soul.



With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams,

it is still a beautiful world.

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

Krista - posted on 08/05/2010

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I wish I could have seen their faces at the speaking-in-tongues church when you and your son hauled butt out the door, Diane. I bet it was priceless! :)

Diane - posted on 08/05/2010

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I grew up Presbyterian and attended with my parents and two sisters. I went to youth groups, camps etc. My mother was the only one in the whole church who took her own bible and actually opened it up and read from it. The pages were torn and highlighted and worn from her reading and studying..she did a lot of studying. I found the rituals at the church comforting but lacking in something. Mom did bible study at home and taught Sunday School for years until we got a minister who believed in evolution and then she quit...she would not teach something she did not believe was scriptural. My mother was an authentic Christian and was the most selfless person I have every known. She always put herself last...she loved the Lord. I admired her dedication to the Word. I on the other hand was not walking right and sat in Church going through the motions. We moved to Arizona and I sought out more spiritual churches. Went to one where they spoke in tongues and my son and I ran out the door while the service was going on....
Found a praise and worship church, non denominational where people of all cultures, colors worship and....celebrate Christ.
I love doing deductive bible studies and just did the Truth Project which was absolutely amazing.
We are big on missions and we support fifteen missionary families full time around the world. We know we cant do this walk alone and we rely on eachother for support and comfort.

I go alone because my husband is not really a believer.He was brought up in a Jewish home...and his parents didn't practice either. He comes for the big holiday stuff.

My sister is also a believer and we go together. But I consider the women in the bible studies like family. My kids believe but do not go.

Presbyterians usually do not raise their hands during worship so growing up they never saw this side of me.......the first time my kids saw me do this.......they were shocked and looked at me like I was an alien and just jumped off a UFO.
I would love to do missions work one day...
I believe that the Bible is God breathed and without error. I believe Jesus was God Son and that He died for us so that we might live. I believe the Great Commission and take it very seriously. I am NOT a Calvinist and believe totally in free will. I consider myself a Jesus Freak.

I love to study the bible, favorite book...Romans.
I also love to read apologists...Ravi Zacharius,... David Jeremiah and Charles Colson are my three favorites.

Diane - posted on 08/05/2010

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I grew up Presbyterian and attended with my parents and two sisters. I went to youth groups, camps etc. My mother was the only one in the whole church who took her own bible and actually opened it up and read from it. The pages were torn and highlighted and worn from her reading and studying..she did a lot of studying. I found the rituals at the church comforting but lacking in something. Mom did bible study at home and taught Sunday School for years until we got a minister who believed in evolution and then she quit...she would not teach something she did not believe was scriptural. My mother was an authentic Christian and was the most selfless person I have every known. She always put herself last...she loved the Lord. I admired her dedication to the Word. I on the other hand was not walking right and sat in Church going through the motions. We moved to Arizona and I sought out more spiritual churches. Went to one where they spoke in tongues and my son and I ran out the door while the service was going on....
Found a praise and worship church, non denominational where people of all cultures, colors worship and....celebrate Christ.
I love doing deductive bible studies and just did the Truth Project which was absolutely amazing.
We are big on missions and we support fifteen missionary families full time around the world. We know we cant do this walk alone and we rely on eachother for support and comfort.

I go alone because my husband is not really a believer.He was brought up in a Jewish home...and his parents didn't practice either. He comes for the big holiday stuff.

My sister is also a believer and we go together. But I consider the women in the bible studies like family. My kids believe but do not go.

Presbyterians usually do not raise their hands during worship so growing up they never saw this side of me.......the first time my kids saw me do this.......they were shocked and looked at me like I was an alien and just jumped off a UFO.
I would love to do missions work one day...
I believe that the Bible is God breathed and without error. I believe Jesus was God Son and that He died for us so that we might live. I believe the Great Commission and take it very seriously. I am NOT a Calvinist and believe totally in free will. I consider myself a Jesus Freak.

I love to study the bible, favorite book...Romans.
I also love to read apologists...Ravi Zacharius,... David Jeremiah and Charles Colson are my three favorites.

Johnny - posted on 08/04/2010

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I was raised by an Anglican (like Episcopalian) mother and an atheist father. My father's parents were also atheists. My mother's mother was an atheist and her father was a Christian who read the bible but did not agree with attending church. My mother spent a lot of time attending the Christian Scientist church when she was young, because her grandmother went. But ironically, despite being a Christ Scientist, she had many medical interventions before she died. I never understood that.

Growing up, I started attending church school on my own (my decision) with the Anglicans when I was 12. I quit when I was around 14. The hypocrisy was stunning and so was the lack of spirituality. During high school I dabbled in the Mennonite Brethren and the LDS with friends. I read the bible several times, the Quran, the Book of Mormon, and the Bhagavad Gita's. I also read a great deal about the Buddha. By the time I was 17, I knew I was an agnostic atheist/secular humanist. My parents were very relieved.

I think when I'm retired, I may join a cult for a while. Just for something to do. Not sure which one yet. I always liked the Heaven's Gate, but they went off to join the aliens behind the Hale Bop comet, so I guess I'll have to choose someone else.

Pamela - posted on 08/04/2010

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When I was little, I asked my Grandma what religion we were. She stopped what she was doing and said that since we weren't Jewish or Buddhist, we must be Christians. But we weren't practicing anything.

My Great-Grandmother, affectionately known as "Grammie", was a staunch Methodist and when I visited her, then I went to church. Everybody there was probably around 400 years old (or so it seemed to me at the time). But they were a kind and gentle people to us kids who attended the church (all 4 of us:).

I had a number of "God" experiences as a child, so I have never had too much difficulty believing in his existence. I am a follower of Christ who leans towards social justice and environmental issues. My husband, a Master Naturalist, and I love science, insects - and I love to read and study theology because I'm just that weird:o) I also love to learn from others of different faiths (or non-faiths). Thinking and contemplating the universe is important. I currently attend the Duluth Vineyard Church which is non-denominational.

Iris - posted on 08/04/2010

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I was raised Lutheran, but we hardly ever went to church, wedding, funerals, confirmations and some Christmases.
I do think the Bible has many good moral stories and messages in it, but I also think that it is far from flawless as it is written by men over 2000 years ago.

I've lately answered when asked that I'm agnostic. I haven't explored my spiritual views enough to really, truly be able to say what I am or where I stand on faith.

Jenny - posted on 08/04/2010

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Raised non denominational with parents who believed in god out of culture but didn't practice.



I chose to go to church in my teens (couldn't tell you which one though) and was nearly baptised before too many unanswered questions swayed me. Went through a period of studying all religions and was a practicing Wiccan for a few years. I am now a proud athiest in love with nature. Blessed be.

Julie - posted on 08/04/2010

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Raised Roman Catholic.

Currently between religions, definitely NOT Catholic. I am scientifically minded, but I think the existence of things unexplainable by science is highly probable.

Sara - posted on 08/04/2010

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I was raised as a Quaker, and I still value the lessons taught to me at Church, though I have always struggled with the whole "Jesus is the son of God" thing. I believe Jesus existed, but that's where it stops. Quakers do not believe in the Trinity. I believe the Bible was written by people inspired by God, and in being so the Bible is not perfect in a literal sense as it was written by human men, but I believe it does hold great lessons. I would say that right now, at best, I am an agnostic. I'm not really ready to say that I believe there is no higher power, but there's a large part of me that doesn't believe in the afterlife, heaven, etc.

Rosie - posted on 08/04/2010

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i was raised a christian-dont know what "branch" or whatever. the church was called first federated church.so i have no clue if it was lutheran, baptist- i know it wasn't catholic. my mother was raised mennonite so she had ALOT of evangelical christian ideals, but she seems to be more of a laid back one.

i now consider myself agnostic leaning more towards atheism.

LaCi - posted on 08/04/2010

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Well, my mothers side of the family is Baptist. Fathers side is Catholic. I attended a Baptist church when I was extremely young, until my mother had a huge disagreement with the church (They told me, at age 3 or so, that I'd go to hell for dancing) and cut ties. Then I was raised in a christian household, but without any particular title.



Now I'm an atheist. I teeter on the edge of buddhism, but haven't committed to it and am not sure that I ever will, but the thought is definitely there. Either way that goes, I'm still an atheist.

Krista - posted on 08/04/2010

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Raised Roman Catholic. Was baptized, had the 1st Communion, 1st Confession, and was Confirmed. Never believed in any of it. Called myself a "lapsed Catholic" for years until I finally became comfortable enough to publicly call myself an atheist.

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