President Obama a Muslim, really?

Colleen - posted on 11/13/2009

Perhaps :-)

Isobel - posted on 11/13/2009

Interesting you should say that...I find that, being from a big city, when I go to a small town I am often greeted with suspicion and yes, rudeness. I'm "that city girl". That being said, when I lived in a small town, I loved the people I knew...but you need to be there a while before they let you "in" if you are not like them. In cities, nobody is really anything alike, the only thing we can tell easily is if you are from a small town LOL. Not that it's a bad thing of course...just different.

I really do think it boils down to thinking people are "nice" when they are like you.

Colleen - posted on 11/13/2009

Quoting Laura:

I wonder if the difference in opinion is based on the red/blue states. It makes sense that liberals would find blue states "friendlier" since more people tend to share your values...same with republicans visiting red states...just something to think about :)

That's a really interesting possiblity, Laura. I hadn't thought of it that way!

Some people may disagree, but I've found that people are different 'kinds' of nice, in a way. I'm speaking in generalities, of course, so don't get offended if I say something you don't like! Wisconsinites and Minnesotans, for example, are really, really nice on a "small-talk" kind of level, but they don't open up very easily when it comes to really deep down knowing someone. They're more guarded. (I can say this because I'm a Wisconsinite. I've been told I'm a little aloof at first, but once people know me they can read me like a book.)

Coloradans are very genuine, but more individualistic in their thinking. There's not as much of a "community" atmosphere there as there is in the midwest. Chicago is probably the "nicest" big city. It's got a very home-grown feel to it. Cities tend to be less friendly than rural areas, but Chicagoans seem nicer than, say, Angelenos or New Yorkers. Haven't spent tons of time around Bostonians, so I can't really say.

Southerners are interesting. Super nice--almost sugary--right off the bat, but pretty distrustful of "outsiders". But, as with Wisconsinites, once you're in, you're in.

Like I said, these are just some of my observations. I don't have any idea where the exact politics of each state lay. And politics vary based on how urban or rural an area is. Urban areas tend to be more blue, rural areas more red. There are some states where the whole state will be red, except for the two counties that house the biggest city, but there are so many people that those two counties will turn the state as a whole blue.

Isobel - posted on 11/13/2009

I wonder if the difference in opinion is based on the red/blue states. It makes sense that liberals would find blue states "friendlier" since more people tend to share your values...same with republicans visiting red states...just something to think about :)

Dana - posted on 11/13/2009

Thanks, Shannon. It's nice to see a republican acknowledge that clip and to understand what he actually said. I do understand where you are coming from with his wording but, I think it's also his job to point out that having a kid at 16 or younger is not all sunshine and daisies. I'm sure he doesn't actually feel that children are a punishment or he wouldn't have had two of them.

Shannon Cassidy- - posted on 11/13/2009

I agree with Obama you have to teach children morals.

They have to be taught about STDs that could come from having sex with just anyone , everyone they have ever slept with you also sleep with.



But to say I don't want them to be punished with a baby is wrong, a baby is a gift from God. 16 is to young in my mind to become a mother but that is where teaching them morals hopefully will come in.

I personaly think he could have worded it differently but that is just my feelings.

Colleen - posted on 11/12/2009

Looks like we've just had different experiences! :-)

JL - posted on 11/12/2009

I don't know about that. I lived in Maryland for 5 years and have lived in Georgia for 3 years and I am originally from Alabama and I found people in the Baltimore/DC area to be far nicer than the people in Georgia and Alabama. When I moved back after being in the Eastern area for 6 years I was surprised at how rude people have gotten. Southern hospitality no longer exists in the areas I have been to in the South. While Eastern hospitality seemed to be on the rise. Plus there is a MAJOR difference in the educational systems overall and in the economic levels...perhaps that is what makes the difference.

Colleen - posted on 11/12/2009

They all have their moments! I think that most people are, at the core, kind (at least most people I've come into contact with). If you spend much time in the midwest or the south, you'll see that people are generally a lot nicer than they are out east. Nothing against easterners, I love NYC and the east coast, and I have family in NYC and New Jersey. That being said, the 'nicest' states I've been to are in the middle.

Isobel - posted on 11/12/2009

Nothin to do with nothin...just wanted to add...When I went to New York, I found the people there to be extremely friendly and helpful (very blunt and upfront, but still friendly and helpful). Same with Boston, and in Maine where I vacation every year. When I lived in California (well...those guys were a little kooky) but not rude or ignorant. :)

JL - posted on 11/11/2009

First, off I think it is absurd to assume just, because your father or mother or whomever in your familiy follows a certain religion then you therefore by default and by charter of some arachaic partiarchal standard are of that religious preferance as well. What about free will and free choice. Do we not have the right to choose on our own paths to choose what religion or political preferance awakens in our heart. Is it not a personal choice. Then can no one ever convert or attempt to learn about other religions. If your father or mother are of no faith then you are not allowed to choose to turn to one. It is just nonsensical and judgemental to assume you can dicate for someone what religion they are, because you don't practice the same way they do. I have gone to many different religious services and read various religious books and found that there is an underlying commonality that joins us all...the religious ideals of loving, sharing, caring and giving.



We may all be different but we are also all the same.



The war on terrrorism is more like a War on Terror because we are fighting against a tactic used by different organizations and by loan wolfs. We are not fighting some state built on a monolothic religious ideal, no we are fighting against hate and those who use terror to strike those they hate. Hate comes from many people some who claim to follow a religion, but are nothing but extremists twisting the basic ideals of faith and spirituality to fit into forms of hate and bigotry. Hate also comes from those without a religious preferance. No matter where it comes from it is all the same and we must continue to fight against the tactic by holding those nations that knowingly stand as harbors for hate accountable. We must fight against it by assisting all nations dealing with acts of terror on their soil. We must all stand together against hate. But turning toward bigoted language that casts the blame on one religious ideal is only giving into hate and that does not make us any better or morally righteous and it will not end terrorism it will ony incite more to turn toward terror.

Shannon Cassidy- - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Shannon Cassidy-:

I found out something today never leave your computor on when your not there , My Brother in- law whom I asked to watch my Son who is sick-- because I had to run out quick got on my site and posted this crap I deleted everything he posted I did not post any of that stuff . I was looking at the site and saw it so I deleted it , I don't Like Obama but , I would not post what I don't know anything about
He could be a freakin jerk at times , I don't know if he wrote anything but I appologise if he did . I told him to stay the hell off of my computor , next time I will not leave my computor on even for a little bit. Sorry if anybody was offended or anything. Sometimes he thinks he is being funny when he pulls crap like this.


thanks for you understanding
Shannon Cassidy Bettencourt

My god. I would have killed my BIL. Not cool.

I will if he put any Virusis in here, we should be protected but who knows. My husband wasn't happy about it eithr.

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

It's all interrelated. It's naive to think that what happens in Sri Lanka or what happens in Ireland or what happens in Japan has no effect on us or on the war on "terror".

Isobel - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Sara:

Timothy McVeigh.

The IRA.

Mizo National Front

ULFA and most of all the LTTE of Sri Lanka.

The Basque movement

The Aryan Republican Army

KKK

Tamil Tigers

 

There's more, but in my view it's super naive to think that only Muslims are terrorists.

And if you say you are not at war with all these groups...then I suppose you have to admit that GW misnamed your enemy.

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Sara:

Quoting Amie:


America is NOT at war with Islam. They are at war with TERRORISTS. The two are not synonymic.

I think this is true, but a many in this country may not...but thanks for saying it Amie!  The way a lot of people now view Muslims and Islam in this country makes me sick to my stomach.

Seriously?  We are at war with terrorists who are radical islamists, you don't see the connection?  I do think people forget or don't know to add radical, but we are at war with RADICAL Islam. 

That's what I said Christa. TERRORISTS. Not all are Islamic, not all are over there. Just because you want to play semantics doesn't make it true.

Name one terrorist who is not Islamic?  Part of their hatred towards us stems from their RADICAL Islamic beliefs.  So we are a war with a section of Islam, it's not semantics it's the truth.  To try and act like their faith has nothing to do it is ridiculous!

Timothy McVeigh.

The IRA.

Mizo National Front

ULFA and most of all the LTTE of Sri Lanka.

The Basque movement

The Aryan Republican Army

KKK

Tamil Tigers

There's more, but in my view it's super naive to think that only Muslims are terrorists.

Dana - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Traci:

Quoting dana:

Good Lord!!!!! NO ONE is pro- abortion. That's absolutely absurd!!!

Well, when someone says they don't want their girls "punished with a baby"...what else are we to infer from that quote?

 

Babies are a punishment?  I'll bet he  was glad his own mother didn't feel as though he was a "punishment."  What a freakish comment.

 

Nothing like teaching responsibility.

Okay, for all you people quoting President Obama.

  He says "when it comes specifically to HIV AIDS, the most important prevention is education.   Which should include abstinence education and teaching children that sex isn't something casual but, it should also include other ,you know,  information about contraception.   Because look, I've got two daughters, 9 yrs old and 6 yrs old, I'm gonna teach them first of all about values and morals but, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby, I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.  So you know, it doesn't make sense to not give them information.  You still want to teach them the morals and the values to make good decisions."

He's talking about teaching our children about contraceptives not just abstinence.  He's not talking about his children getting abortions. 

Here is a clip I found on YouTube.  Yes it's a CNN clip, I guess they're the only ones who showed that speech  because everyone and their brother are using it to say he's Pro-Abortion for his own children .  Listen to the clip, it makes it very clear what he's saying. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15...

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Shannon Cassidy- - posted on 11/10/2009

I was freakin Pissed !!! When I found out. It was my fault I should have turned the computor off. But I didn't think he would tamper with it.

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

That sucks dude! Hope you tore a strip off of him lol.

Shannon Cassidy- - posted on 11/10/2009

I found out something today never leave your computor on when your not there , My Brother in- law whom I asked to watch my Son who is sick-- because I had to run out quick got on my site and posted this crap I deleted everything he posted I did not post any of that stuff . I was looking at the site and saw it so I deleted it , I don't Like Obama but , I would not post what I don't know anything about

He could be a freakin jerk at times , I don't know if he wrote anything but I appologise if he did . I told him to stay the hell off of my computor , next time I will not leave my computor on even for a little bit. Sorry if anybody was offended or anything. Sometimes he thinks he is being funny when he pulls crap like this.





thanks for you understanding

Shannon Cassidy Bettencourt

Isobel - posted on 11/10/2009

I have a fun game to play...let's see how many fox news "reporters" we can count saying HUSSEIN, madrassa, Muslim, anything else that would INSINUATE muslim?

Traci - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Traci:

I'm talking about pundits, talkers, and news agencies.  I have never heard of any of them calling him a Muslim.  ...and no, I hadn't been living under a rock.  At that point in my life, I had been watching/listening to the news ALL day long, thank you.  Fox news didn't say he was a Muslim. 

 

Like I already said...the only people who were accusing him of that were the ones who believe the forwarded emails....the ONLY ones.  You had said that everyone and their dog tried to paint him as a Muslim, but when I asked who you didn't have an answer.  I think that is because you are mistaken...unless you are referring to all those "grandmas" who believe everything they read on the internet, I guess. 

The truth is a very VERY small section of the population tried to paint him as a Muslim, and only a small section actually believed it. 

I didn't reply right away because I have a life away from CoM's. When my children need me I go to them. Sorry if that infringes on your right to argue with me. My kids will always come first, it's called being a mom.

I then didn't need to reply since Jenny had already answered. Guess you missed that part huh?

Further more I said everyone and their dog have (past tense notice that?) tried too. 12% of Americans STILL believe it though. That's hardly only the Gramma's and the ones who read emails.  If you actually take a look around those 12% are evident everywhere. While they are a small portion of the entire populace that still equals 3,960,000 people. That's quite a bit who are misinformed.

Thanks for the lecture, there, Ms. Mother-of-the-Year :)  You had replied, but said so and so said it perfectly.  I don't expect you to reply right away...but since you had made a comment, I just took it as though you had no specific personality to point to.  Which, if I've read everything in this thread up until now...I still haven't seen you point to any person who has "painted" BO as a Muslim.

Oh, hell...my kids are dangling from the windows again...I better go tend to them before the mommy police show up! :) lol  Mommy's coming, dear!

Traci - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Traci:

I'm talking about pundits, talkers, and news agencies.  I have never heard of any of them calling him a Muslim.  ...and no, I hadn't been living under a rock.  At that point in my life, I had been watching/listening to the news ALL day long, thank you.  Fox news didn't say he was a Muslim. 

 

Like I already said...the only people who were accusing him of that were the ones who believe the forwarded emails....the ONLY ones.  You had said that everyone and their dog tried to paint him as a Muslim, but when I asked who you didn't have an answer.  I think that is because you are mistaken...unless you are referring to all those "grandmas" who believe everything they read on the internet, I guess. 

The truth is a very VERY small section of the population tried to paint him as a Muslim, and only a small section actually believed it. 

I didn't reply right away because I have a life away from CoM's. When my children need me I go to them. Sorry if that infringes on your right to argue with me. My kids will always come first, it's called being a mom.

I then didn't need to reply since Jenny had already answered. Guess you missed that part huh?

Further more I said everyone and their dog have (past tense notice that?) tried too. 12% of Americans STILL believe it though. That's hardly only the Gramma's and the ones who read emails.  If you actually take a look around those 12% are evident everywhere. While they are a small portion of the entire populace that still equals 3,960,000 people. That's quite a bit who are misinformed.

Thanks for the lecture, there, Ms. Mother-of-the-Year :)  You had replied, but said so and so said it perfectly.  I don't expect you to reply right away...but since you had made a comment, I just took it as though you had no specific personality to point to.  Which, if I've read everything in this thread up until now...I still haven't seen you point to any person who has "painted" BO as a Muslim.

Oh, hell...my kids are dangling from the windows again...I better go tend to them before the mommy police show up! :) lol  Mommy's coming, dear!

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:



Seroiously? You are trying to tell me our accounts with Americans makes our knowledge on the subject the same? That's too laughable to even respond to.

Quoting Christa:



Especially since she doesn't live here and has a limited interaction with other Americans.

Quoting Jo:



it is an assumption to say that we don't live there so we don't get enough interaction with Americans to know, or say, anything really - since, if that's the case, YOU don't have enough interactions with enough Americans to know, or say, anything about Americans either. You haven't met every American, and we haven't met every American... you may live in America but your chances of knowing people all over America are just as likely (or unlikely) as ours... so in the end everyone is assuming and we're all probably getting our information for our assumptions from equally valid sources.

Traci - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting dana:

Good Lord!!!!! NO ONE is pro- abortion. That's absolutely absurd!!!

Well, when someone says they don't want their girls "punished with a baby"...what else are we to infer from that quote?

Babies are a punishment?  I'll bet he  was glad his own mother didn't feel as though he was a "punishment."  What a freakish comment.

Nothing like teaching responsibility.

Traci - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Laura:

As a big fan of Rush Limbaugh (and all those catchy little ditties), I find it difficult to believe that you are not one of those"email forwarders"

Well, there is an example of how much you understand Limbaugh fans, Laura :)  Ya learn something everyday, don't ya?

Traci - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Laura:

As a big fan of Rush Limbaugh (and all those catchy little ditties), I find it difficult to believe that you are not one of those"email forwarders"

Well, there is an example of how much you understand Limbaugh fans, Laura :)  Ya learn something everyday, don't ya?

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Name one terrorist who is not Islamic?  Part of their hatred towards us stems from their RADICAL Islamic beliefs.  So we are a war with a section of Islam, it's not semantics it's the truth.  To try and act like their faith has nothing to do it is ridiculous!

I believe many in the Middle East would answer that question with The United States of America.

Or perhaps the IRA?

Israel?

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Nope I never called him a nice guy, I said he was trying to please everyone, which is why I call him a fake and a liar.  Like I said you can call him a nice guy, that is not my choice of words.

Nice people are generally the ones trying to please everyone and make peace. Guess that slipped over your head.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Christa:

Name one terrorist who is not Islamic?  Part of their hatred towards us stems from their RADICAL Islamic beliefs.  So we are a war with a section of Islam, it's not semantics it's the truth.  To try and act like their faith has nothing to do it is ridiculous!

I never said their faith had nothing to do with it did I? Now you are inferring things that were never said.

Radical Christians are home grown terrorists in your own country. They bomb abortin clinics, they shoot and kill those doctors. THOSE are home grown terrorists acting within your own borders.

Animal rights activists also fall into this category.

Plus the whole host of Americans who have bombed, threatened or killed in the name of their cause. Whatever that cause maybe. THOSE are home grown terrorists living within your borders.

 

I agree with you, but we are not at WAR with any of those people.

So the war on terror doesn't include everything that happens within your borders. It doesn't include the people who are fighting for you guys within your own borders. I'll remember to pass along that memo to them courtesy of you.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Amie:

Quoting Christa:

As far as BO being a Muslim, who knows. My problem is he isn't genuine about his faith at all. So I don't know what the heck he is. I do agree with whoever said that he just claims to be a Christian because it's easier politically to say so. He does have Muslim ties so I don't think it's such a stretch to think he might actually be one. NOT that I'm saying he is. It was easy with GW because his faith was obvious, BO's is not, it's really that simple. Even with Clinton, I hated the guy but you knew who he was, I don’t feel like the real Obama has stood up, he’s too busy trying to please everyone and that makes people nervous as to who he really is. If it was obvious people wouldn't feel the need to speculate.

Right because a guy who is that nice is obviously faking it, especially in America.

Oh because Americans are all A-holes?  That was a bit uncalled for don't you think?

 

And you can call him a nice guy, if that's how you see him.  I'll call him a fake and a liar.

I didn't say it. YOU did. Remember that.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Name one terrorist who is not Islamic?  Part of their hatred towards us stems from their RADICAL Islamic beliefs.  So we are a war with a section of Islam, it's not semantics it's the truth.  To try and act like their faith has nothing to do it is ridiculous!

I never said their faith had nothing to do with it did I? Now you are inferring things that were never said.

Radical Christians are home grown terrorists in your own country. They bomb abortin clinics, they shoot and kill those doctors. THOSE are home grown terrorists acting within your own borders.

Animal rights activists also fall into this category.

Plus the whole host of Americans who have bombed, threatened or killed in the name of their cause. Whatever that cause maybe. THOSE are home grown terrorists living within your borders.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

As far as BO being a Muslim, who knows. My problem is he isn't genuine about his faith at all. So I don't know what the heck he is. I do agree with whoever said that he just claims to be a Christian because it's easier politically to say so. He does have Muslim ties so I don't think it's such a stretch to think he might actually be one. NOT that I'm saying he is. It was easy with GW because his faith was obvious, BO's is not, it's really that simple. Even with Clinton, I hated the guy but you knew who he was, I don’t feel like the real Obama has stood up, he’s too busy trying to please everyone and that makes people nervous as to who he really is. If it was obvious people wouldn't feel the need to speculate.

Right because a guy who is that nice is obviously faking it, especially in America.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Sara:

Quoting Amie:


America is NOT at war with Islam. They are at war with TERRORISTS. The two are not synonymic.

I think this is true, but a many in this country may not...but thanks for saying it Amie!  The way a lot of people now view Muslims and Islam in this country makes me sick to my stomach.

Seriously?  We are at war with terrorists who are radical islamists, you don't see the connection?  I do think people forget or don't know to add radical, but we are at war with RADICAL Islam. 

That's what I said Christa. TERRORISTS. Not all are Islamic, not all are over there. Just because you want to play semantics doesn't make it true.

Sara - posted on 11/10/2009

This is all just silly. What does this say about Americans or America that when a majority democratically elects a man who does not fit into the classic mold of the Presidency all of these things are called into question that really are just ridiculous and unfounded...the birth certificate, the Muslim thing, death panels...they've all been disproven but we are still hearing about it! Look, criticize BO all you want, he's the President and it's your right and duty to, but do it for something that is real and proven, not bs rumors propogated by the opposition to detract from the real issues. You're just a pawn in their game if you play in to all this crap...because that's exactly what it is, CRAP! And embarrasing for the rest us to boot.



And I mean "you" generally...btw.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Ok that took me all of what... 2-3 minutes?



In the interview with George Stephanopoulos he was talking about John McCain because he AT LEAST had the decency to not bring Obama's faith into question.



Edit to add:



Obama: What I’m saying is that he hasn’t suggested that I'm a Muslim.



That was his sentence right after all of that was said. /:)

See how a little research is a good thing?

See how sound bites are not a good resource to use as fact?

Sara - posted on 11/10/2009

Yes, and then he corrected himself and said "Christian Faith". You've never slipped up and said something that you didn't mean, Shannon? I once called my husband by my ex-boyfriend's name. It was a complete accident, mommy brain and all that...I can assure you I'm not secretly still in love with my ex...it was just an accident.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Shannon Cassidy-:

He does admit it when he say John Mcain does not mention" My Muslim Faith"

Where is the rest of that interview? I don't take sound bites seriously. /:) Conservatives have gotten in trouble before for not doing their research. I'll see if I can find the interview since you obviously don't care about finding out the truth and would rather use sound bites to back up your claims.

Sara - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Amie:


America is NOT at war with Islam. They are at war with TERRORISTS. The two are not synonymic.

I think this is true, but a many in this country may not...but thanks for saying it Amie!  The way a lot of people now view Muslims and Islam in this country makes me sick to my stomach.

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

Christa, I'll never claim to know more about Americans or even a lot about Americans or even all that much about America in general -- but it is an assumption to say that we don't live there so we don't get enough interaction with Americans to know, or say, anything really - since, if that's the case, YOU don't have enough interactions with enough Americans to know, or say, anything about Americans either. You haven't met every American, and we haven't met every American... you may live in America but your chances of knowing people all over America are just as likely (or unlikely) as ours... so in the end everyone is assuming and we're all probably getting our information for our assumptions from equally valid sources. You from your neighbors, co-workers, friends, family, the news, etc ect and us from our everyday encounters with people from America, family, friends, talking to people on sites such as COM and the news etc etc etc...



Anyways, sorry to go on and on about that, the whole thing seemed petty and I was just tryin to make the point that as much as we don't know, you don't know either and on either sides, it's still an assumption, a guestimate and based on generally the same idea.



And lmao @ that video being your 'first hand' knowledge? Wow. That's all I gotta say to that lol

Dana - posted on 11/10/2009

Shannon, that is absolutely ridiculous, thank you for showing us that it is all bullcrap. The only thing that, that proves is that people ARE crazy for believing that he's Muslim.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Shannon,
He's talking about the good people of Islam and their achievements.
He's talking about his childhood and growing up.
He's talking about not stereotyping them all as terrorists.
He's talking about how Islam has helped to enrich American culture. It IS a part of American culture whether or not you or anyone else wants to admit it.
He did not say America was a Muslim nation, he said America is one of the biggest Muslim nations in the world. Meaning that there are a great many Muslims living within your boarders now.
He bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia as a sign of respect. It's not a sign that Islam is a higher power.
OMG he visited a mosque!! Gimme a break.
America is NOT at war with Islam. They are at war with TERRORISTS. The two are not synonymic.

ME - posted on 11/10/2009

None of those statements MEAN that he is a muslim. I don't want to be rude, but I think you should listen to it again. He has LIVED in muslim countries, his father was raised in a muslim country, he thinks muslim prayers are beautiful...NONE OF THOSE STATEMENTS ARE THE SAME AS "I AM A MUSLIM"...end of story! You do yourself no favors by posting such blatantly edited and propagadist nonsense...it's overwhelmingly foolish...

Sara - posted on 11/10/2009

That's your proof that he's a Muslim? I'm sorry, that's almost laughable...no where in that video does he say he's muslim, it's just a bunch of spliced together sections of different interviews and speeches. He spent part of his childhood in Jakarta and studied the Koran there. He has family that is Muslim. Does that automatically make him a Muslim?

I have Jews in my family. Hell, I've been to services at a synagogue. I'm not Jewish.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Yeah, and a politician has never lied before. :-)

Even if he doesn't come out and say that he's a Muslim, it doesn't mean he's not. Even if he says he's a Chrsitian, it doesn't mean he is.

I have never spoken to him personally, so I don't know if he's a Muslim or not. Based on what I've seen, I don't think he is. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that he's not. All I'm saying is that IF he is, he should be authentic about it.

But I appreciate you clearing up the other part of the post :-)

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

It doesn't make sense because there's no point saying it. There's no point saying it because he's Christian. I didn't twist anything, I just quoted the part that didn't make sense.



It doesn't make sense to say (regardless of what you said before it) "I wish he would be authentic and admit it, BUT I completely understand why he wouldn't" -- because there isn't a POSSIBILITY that he's a Muslim so it doesn't make sense to ask him to be authentic - he already is being authentic, he's a Christian.



I added the "All that being said, I don't think he's a Muslim. But again, I don't really care." just so that you know, I knew you said that and I wasn't replying specifically to you - I should have added that bit before. I apologize for being unclear there.



I hope that clears that up :)