Scientists Can't be Trusted

Christa - posted on 11/24/2009 ( 21 moms have responded )

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Here is an article that proves what I and others have known all along. You can't trust scientists to release ALL the information on a theory, whether it be climate change, evolution, etc. They will ALWAYS withhold evidence that pokes holes in the theory they support. This is why you must see both sides and figure out for yourself what facts make the most sense and not be fooled by these scientists’ agendas.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

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?? - posted on 11/24/2009

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Doesn't it kind of go without saying that trusting EVERYTHING from ONE side is an irresponsible way to form an opinion about something that you would take the time to defend, support or educate yourself about?



I think it's just a little redundant to say 'don't believe everything you see, read or hear.' Especially when there are two or more sides to it. You can't "believe everything scientists say" but there's just as much reason to believe what they say - and the ONLY responsible thing to do is give credit and discredit where it's necessary.

Isobel - posted on 11/27/2009

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My thought is this...Scientists CAN be trusted...because their opinions keep changing. To me, it means that they were genuine in the first place, but keep learning more.

Jenny - posted on 11/26/2009

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It's about sustainability Malaesha, surely you can see the issue with consumerism. For example, planned obsolesance. Our resources are finite and we're wasting the crap out of them right now for "stuff".

Jenny - posted on 11/26/2009

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Yes! Thank you Loureen. Even if we aren't changing the climate we sure as helll are destroying our drinking water and air quality among other things. Consumerism is the devil.

Charlie - posted on 11/26/2009

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while human involvement in climate change is debatable and now even more so with claims of scientists withholding information i think what is very clear is that humans make an impact and a massive one at that on our planet , we clear millions of acres of forest , endanger 1000's of species of animals and pollute this planet with so much crap , is our pollution the cause of climate change ? further study is needed apparently it doesn't change the facts that we are damaging the earth in other ways .

While it's good to know that we are being left out of the loop on some things i think a lot of people are going to be rubbing their hands together in glee , this is exactly the excuse for lazy , selfish and ignorant people need to sit back and continue to take part in the destruction of this planet .

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?? - posted on 12/09/2009

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There are 'ideas' that are bought and paid everywhere though. Whether it's dairy, formula, children's toys and vitamin C. I agree that everyone has to do their own research before they decide what is best for them.



Claiming all scientists are liars and all have their own personal agenda is just redundant. Everyone has their own agenda... believing something just cause it's on paper is irresponsible - it doesn't mean it automatically doesn't have any real value though.



There are studies out there and scientists, labs, companies that are doing 'research' and putting forth 'facts' that prove and disprove pretty much anything. It's just plain irresponsible and redundant to say one is true because it supports your 'ideals' but something else is bought and paid because it disproves your point.

Teri - posted on 12/09/2009

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I may agree with the fact that scientists can't always be trusted, but I have to say that, being educated and well read on many topics, you have to understand who is funding research.

Did you know that the dairy industry has brainwashed Americans into thinking that milk is good for us? they have funded research around calcium uptake, etc, to perpetuate their own end.

Did you know that blueberries are higher in vitamin c than oranges (aka OJ) and it's the citrus lobby that has funded advertising to get us all to believe that OJ is the best source of Vit C.

Did you know that breastfeeding is 100 times better for our babies than formula -- they are NOT equal substitutes -- and the corporate lobbyists have told mothers everywhere that formula is fine for babies. in fact, the research is showing that formula is cuasing a huge increase in the number of kids with type 1 diabetes -- and lead cause of obesity in kids.

do your own research (I have) I have many sources for this data.

And yes, the polar ice caps are melting -- so, there is something going on here, so i'd definitely be a little weary of the fact that China and India's quickly growing middle class is going to be a BIG burden on natural resources and pollution. Don't mistake this stuff just because it benefits you to do so.

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I'm late coming to this thread but my opinion of global warming has always been this "How many SUVs were the wooly mamoths driving that caused the end of the ice age?" I think that maybe we're just coming to the tail end of the last ice age and that we may be starting a new tropical age. Everything moves in cycles and this may be a start of a new cycle for the planet.

I do agree that we can do things that will help our planet (ie recycle) but I also think some things are beyond our control.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2009

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And yes...they could still change their mind...that's the beauty of science...they are learning more every day. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are lying. I found that article to be VERY cryptic and misleading.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2009

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From my understanding, it's the land ice that's retreating...and a lot of it is landing in the ocean...that's how the ice is increasing. There is also proof that the waters of the planet are generally increasing by fact that most of the coral reefs around the world are also dying.

Dawn - posted on 11/26/2009

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Its kind of like the whole Save the Polar Bear thing. They keep saying that the ice is retreating but then you watch Deadliest Catch and the guys on the show are saying every season that the ice is coming down even further than before. So how can there be a shortage of sea ice when the fishermen are saying the opposite and they have video also.

Jenny - posted on 11/24/2009

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No, I'm not on their side either lol, I have not formed an opinion one way or another on the subject at this point. I just don't understand climatologists can claim they know what we are "supposed" to be experiencing as far as overall global climate goes when many meteorologists can't call a day of sun or rain accurately. And with this particular topic it so hard to find concrete evidence as it is backed politically on both sides so what is true and what is propaganda? I just haven't found anything yet that I find truly convincing.

Isobel - posted on 11/24/2009

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From what I understand...we are "supposed" to be well into a cooling period, yet our polar ice is melting at an exponential rate, causing sea levels to rise...don't get caught up in the "debunkers" that are being paid by the fossil fuel companies to stop the green revolution.

Jenny - posted on 11/24/2009

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I've been hearing about it for along time too, I guess I just haven't found the evidence that solidifies it in my mind that it is not cyclical. The temperature can change so much on the planet. I do think we are doing horrible damage to the planet for sure and we need major change. I just don't know about C02 levels being the culprit as we keep hearing.



As always, I'm open to education and would love to check out any information sent my way.

Isobel - posted on 11/24/2009

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I'd say in this case...reporters can't really be trusted either...especially when they are from an EXTREMELY biased publication.

Yes there is money to be made from the green movement, but Jenny, I've been learning about climate change since I was 10...that's a LOOOOOONGGGGGG time ago. The new "business opportunities" are new to the equation, and I assure you there is way more money to be made in fossil fuels (that's why they are funding scientists to "debunk" the green movement.)

There will always be scientists that can be bought and sold, same as reporters...it's unfortunate but true.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/24/2009

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Quoting Christa:

Thanks Jenn. That's exactly the point I was making. Not whether or not climate change exists or is as they say, but that you can not trust scientists to give you ALL the facts. They all have an agenda and you can't sit behind their "data" and believe that is all there is. To trust scientists on one side of an argument is irresponsible, they all have a bias and that bias must be taken into account when deciding IF you choose to believe in a particular theory.

This is also true for the scientists for or against the Theory of Evolution, not micro evolution Jenny.



If you click on the 'more from opinions' link at the bottom of the piece linked in the OP, you can see some of the e-mails ......BUT it's also an excerpt of 4 or 5 mails from over 3000 of those that were 'hacked' out of their server.



Everything is always a hide and seek - ditch this so no one can 'read too far into  it' conspiracy theory.



Does ANYONE just have FACTS anymore?  This is one of the reasons that I'm thankful for science, but not ready to put ALL of my 'faith' behind every 'new' discovery.



(Now can someone please get me a bottle of formula with rice cereal in it? ................sorry, too much time on the welcome page.  =/    )

Jenny - posted on 11/24/2009

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I don't consider 1000's of generations being observed evolving as micro but whatevs.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/24/2009

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I'd like to see more actual facts from both sides. The piece is from the opinion section of the NYT. (An opinion about something that 'may' have happened, but no one will confirm it........so it's not going to make me change my views...)

It makes you think, but all it really makes *me* think is that no one knows what the hell is going on.............or why.

Jenny - posted on 11/24/2009

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There is BIG money to be made on climate change. I've been leery of this whole movement since shortly after seeing An Inconvenient Truth. I did buy into completely at first but after reading more and more, I'm back on the fence.



This however is not proof that all science is a fraud. Science is based on evidence after all and the evidence here shows these scientists (not science) are not releasing the full set fo facts.



Evolution has been observed and is as much a fact as gravity. That is just not debatable anymore.

Traci - posted on 11/24/2009

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I almost posted this, too. So, we're supposed to change our very way of life by walking everywhere, selling our suv's and live like savages due to some theory that is tainted??? I don't think so.



There is no truth anymore...everyone has an angle and an agenda. That's why it's so important to take this stuff with a grain of salt.

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