Tea Partyers Shout N-Word...

Sara - posted on 03/22/2010 ( 18 moms have responded )

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This is exactly why this "movement" will never be credible to so many people. It just seems like a platform of hate to me...and the people that come to these protests seemed horribly misinformed.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/articl...,8599,1973929,00.html#ixzz0ipB5mKdZ

(WASHINGTON) — House Democrats heard it all Saturday — words of inspiration from President Barack Obama and raucous chants of protests from demonstrators. And at times it was flat-out ugly, including some racial epithets aimed at black members of Congress.
(See a photographic history of the Selma to Montgomery march.)

Most of the day's important work leading up to Sunday's historic vote on health care was being done behind closed doors. Democratic leaders cajoled, bargained and did what they needed to nail down the votes they will need to finally push Obama's health care overhaul bill through the House.

But much else about the day was noisy, emotional and right out in the open. After more than a year debating the capstone of Obama's domestic agenda and just hours to go before the showdown vote, there was little holding back.

The tone was set outside the Capitol. Clogging the sidewalks and streets of Capitol Hill were at least hundreds — no official estimate was yet available — of loud, furious protesters, many of them tea party opponents of the health care overhaul.

Rallies outside the Capitol are typically orderly, with speeches and well-behaved crowds. Saturday's was different, with anger-fueled demonstrators surrounding members of Congress who walked by, yelling at them. "Kill the bill," the largely middle-aged crowd shouted, surging toward lawmakers who crossed the street between their office buildings and the Capitol.

The motorcade that carried Obama to Capitol Hill to whip up support for the bill drove past crowds waving signs that read "Stop the spending" and "Get your hands out of my pocketbook and health care." Many booed and thrust their thumbs down as Obama rode by. As police held protesters back to clear areas for lawmakers outside the Capitol Obama's speech, some jeered and chanted at the officers, "You work for us."

Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon House Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted "the N-word, the N-word, 15 times." Both Carson and Lewis are black. "It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a large former police officer who said he wasn't frightened but worried about the 70-year-old Lewis, who is twice his age. "He said it reminded him of another time."

Kristie Greco, spokeswoman for Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., said a protester spit on Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., who is black. Clyburn, who led fellow black students in integrating South Carolina's public facilities a half century ago, called the behavior "absolutely shocking." "I heard people saying things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus," Clyburn told reporters.

Inside House office buildings, protesters made their views known by visiting lawmakers' offices and chanting at legislators walking by. Among the demonstrators was Delane Stewart, 65, of Cookeville, Tenn., who had come with her husband, Jesse. "You know what's coming next if this happens?" she said, referring to the health bill's passage. "They're going to come after gun control." Retired businessman Randy Simpson, 67, of Seneca, S.C., also said the health bill was just a first step. "My concerns are about the health care bill, and the direction it takes us is toward communism, quite frankly," he said.

At a daylong meeting of the House Rules Committee, members of both parties squeezed into a tiny hearing room traded accusations in a session that was often a shouting match. "You all in the minority know what the American people think," Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., said loudly and mockingly at Republicans repeatedly saying the public overwhelmingly opposes health care. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, said a tricky voting procedure Democrats had been contemplating "corrupts and prostitutes the system" and would "unleash a cultural war in this country."

Obama's Capitol Hill visit was the day's emotional peak for House Democrats as he sought to energize them to finally approve the legislation. He conceded that it could be tough for some to vote for the bill, but predicted it would end up being politically smart because once it becomes law people will realize they like its provisions like curbs on insurance companies. "It is in your hands," the president said in what Clyburn later called the best speech he'd ever heard Obama make. "It is time to pass health care reform for America, and I am confident that you are going to do it tomorrow."

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I find it ASTOUNDING that the Republican party, who's very embodiment has been one of isolation and intimidation to those who don't believe in their ideology, is crying "foul" yet again because they lost. I have never seen so much whining and crying, in all my life! I thought I had seen the height of it when Obama won the election. Well the Republicans have exceeded that in the last 24 hours.

The party who did NOTHING to reform health care during an 8 years stint in the white house, wants to complain that the "amendments" they proposed at the 11th hour were shot down. They want to complain that this bill is the beginning of a "government take over" of America, But many of the "ideas" in this bill are ideas the Republicans once supported and proposed. They want to talk about "backroom" deals that were made and how they were "shut out" of the process. Unfortunately, that's how Washington works! When the Republicans are in power, they do the same damn thing! How dare they pretend they don't do it! And shame on Americans who believe their crap!

I personally don't think the bill gives ENOUGH to the American people. I don't think many of the "benefits" are given soon enough. I don't feel sorry for the wealthier Americans who are going to be taxed for this. I sure as hell don't feel sorry for the Republicans, who claim to be the "righteous" party, all the while being in the pharmaceutical and health care companies pockets for years! It's time the "foot" gets taken off the neck of hard working Americans and let the wealthiest Americans pay their FAIR share of taxes for a change.

As far as people from the tea party movement shouting Nigger and Faggot...what's the debate. We have our own elected officials crying out "you lie" and "baby killer" in the halls of congress! That was caught on tape! Civility and disorder is encouraged. Anger and frustration is supported. Lies and misrepresentation is the standard routine!

Of course EVERY teabagger is not racist or sexist, but you can damn sure believe, the ones that are, are not denounced for their actions by members of the Republican party or the tea party movement themselves! Free speech is their "right' under the constitution, correct?

When did American society become such a greedy, selfish and self-loathing place? We want to "police" the world and build democracies, but we don't care about or help our own citizens? We can do both! This is America!!!

Krista - posted on 03/31/2010

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Theresa, I will first answer what I feel is the most rediculous statement in your post. The misconception that you have about the "rich" not paying their fair share of taxes. The wealthiest 1% of Americans pay approx. 37% of the total taxes collected. When you move to the wealthiest 10% of taxpayers, they pay 68% of the total tab. The bottom 50% (those below the median income level) pay just 3% of all taxes collected. So what exactly is "fair?"


Those are misleading statistics, though. Of COURSE most of the country's tax revenue is going to come from the wealthiest citizens. Even if you equalized income tax rates to 1% across the board, the majority of the country's tax revenue would still come from the wealthiest citizens, because their pre-tax income is higher. If you and I are the only two citizens of a country, and I make $1M and you make $1K, and I'm taxed at 1% and you're taxed at 10%, I'm STILL paying the lion's share of the total collected taxes, even if I'm at a lower tax bracket. That's just how percentages work, so I don't know why you think that rich people are getting ripped off or are being forced to shoulder some onerous burden.

So your argument about how unfair the taxes are to the wealthy, because they make up most of the tax income, is just plain silly. The only way to get around that is to not tax the wealthy at all. And I do hope that you're not proposing that, because trickle-down economic theory has been proven to be a colossal failure.

Now of course, my example above did not mention the various deductions, tax shelters, and other ways in which the wealthy manage to reduce their tax burden.

Don't cry for the rich...they're managing just fine, thanks.

Krista - posted on 03/31/2010

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We are just going to disagree here. Corporations don't regulate themselves. They are regulated by the marketplace. Haven't you ever left a company for one that offered you more money? How about shopping at Walmart because they are cheaper than the grocery store? If you were losing a lot of your best employees or customers to competing businesses, you would have to change your practices right? That happens every day.




You're right about corporations not regulating themselves. But regulated by the marketplace? Hardly. For starters, very few people ARE leaving their jobs, because new jobs are scarce to come by. And even if they did leave, there are 10 people applying to take that person's place, so what incentive does the employer have to change his practices. None.



Free market theory only works in a vacuum, with no external factors such as geographical factors, unemployment statistics, etc. I had this argument once with someone about a pharmacy that refused to dispense the morning-after pill. He was convinced that the invisible hand of the free market would solve all ills, and that people could just choose to go to another pharmacy. I don't recall how many times I had to tell him that his theory would only work in a situation where there was actual competition. In a small town, with only one pharmacy, how precisely is the free-market theory supposed to work? In many smaller towns, whether you are a consumer or an employee, there is a dearth of competition out there for your money or time, so you are stuck with what you have, unless you wish to relocate. Until the national unemployment rate reaches 0%, you are always going to have more job-seekers than jobs. And as long as there are more job-seekers than jobs, businesses have no innate financial incentive to regulate themselves -- because there's always someone else waiting in the wings to do your job if you don't think you're being paid enough.



That is why government has to regulate.

Gertie - posted on 03/30/2010

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To call these protesters haters is a gross misreprestation of what these people are about. When you cannot win the arguement on merit, you destroy your opponent....hence the 'racist hate mongers who hate Obama.' Last time I checked Pelosi, Reid, and most of the House and Senate are all occupied by white folks....and they have an even lower approval rating than our President does...well...there goes that theory!

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Contrary to popular opinion Kelly, MOST Americans want to work for the things they receive. Unfortunately, if you haven't heard, unemployment is about 9% now so....exactly where are they gonna find these jobs to buy their coverage? Even with jobs, most people are still struggling to pay their premiums. My husband and I work damn hard every single day to pay for what we own. We have a modest home, 2 cars that we proudly maintain and enough money to maybe take the kids to the zoo and the museum in the summer. I don't need lavish vacations or cars or big screen t.v.s. and I sure as hell am not looking for the government to support or take care of me. I went to college to take care of myself.

I would like however to know, that an insurance company will cover me even though I've had a hormone problem since I was 13 years old. I would like to know that if my kids cannot find a job right after college, they can stay on my insurance. And I would like to be able to "appeal" an insurance company's decision about treatment I should receive, especially if my Dr is in disagreement with them.

Yeah WOW! It's a shame that insurance and pharmaceutical companies have been able to charge more, while offering less services. It's a travesty that insurance companies show no loyalty to costumers that have utilized them for decade. And it's highway robbery that seniors have to choose which medicines to take or not, because the pharmaceutical companies charge so much for their drugs! WOW is right! It's a shame and an embarrassment that the U.S. would allow these crimes to occur and do nothing about it!

As far as your statistical data, I will have to get back to you on that. But I will say that the wealthiest people, also get the biggest tax cuts and incentives. Historically, the amount of taxes paid by the poor and middle class is in direct opposition to their rate of salaries and cost of living expenses. As businesses are forced to close, deny medical coverage to their employees, and eliminate bonuses, the government has always looked to tax them. I suppose you think that's fair?

This bill is flawed. But it's a start. a wake up call, if you may, to the insurance companies that Americans are tired of being taken advantage of. I hope this bill is the beginning of cost regulation and more competition. I hope this brings about lower premiums and less money for medications. I hope the focus can shift on how to prevent more diseases and conditions and less on how to treat them.

My hope more than anything is that we as Americans become more healthy. We have become a "sick" nation. And if EVERY American has to take part in that to make that happen, so be it! I think that's fair.

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Sara - posted on 04/02/2010

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Do you know how the Washington game works, AT ALL? You'd be hard pressed to find a bill passed where someone hasn't buttered someone else up to get their vote. Nothing's free. You may like to think that our legislators are people that vote on behalf of their constituents only, but you're fooling yourself if you think that's true. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the reality of the situation. I don't see the "bribing" in this case to be different from any other....

Carol - posted on 04/02/2010

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There will always be people in a large group who will now follow the rules of the group. As for the tea party movement, have you been to one of them? I have, to two of them. I have also been to my city council meetings, town hall meetings and any meeting where I can see our elected representatives and make sure that the person I vote for is actually who he/she says they are.

If the healthcare bill is good for everyone, why did they have to "buy" people out for their vote? Why wasn't an open to the public? Because it's not "that good". If you have to brive people to take something you are offering, it's not good to begin with. And taxing the reach only is such a LIE. Everything will go up (taxes) and unless you don't buy anything, anything at all, you won't be affected. Let's all educate ourselves, and by that, I don't mean watch CNN. Go out to public records, see where your representatives stand on issues, how they have voted, what they have done for your neighborhood, your city, your state.

People should have access to good and affordable health care, but this is not what they are doing in Washington. I follow my representatives close, keep tabs on them, and I decided I will run for office for my little neck of the woods and start making a difference.

Let me ask you a question - if you go for a job interview and your credentials really don't fit the position, do you brive the employeer to give you the job? No you wouldn't, and that wouldn't be ethical, and also it means that your resume is not good at all. So why does Mr. Obama brive people to take his healthcare? Because it's not good - SIMPLE AS THAT.

Kelly - posted on 03/25/2010

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We are just going to disagree here. Corporations don't regulate themselves. They are regulated by the marketplace. Haven't you ever left a company for one that offered you more money? How about shopping at Walmart because they are cheaper than the grocery store? If you were losing a lot of your best employees or customers to competing businesses, you would have to change your practices right? That happens every day.

You're right about the face of poverty changing.... but why is that exactly? Why are we losing jobs to India? Its not just lower wages. Taxes, unions, etc. make it harder for some businesses to operate in the US, and the government is doing nothing to remedy that. And why did that alternative energy factory close down? Because agencies like the EPA are over cautious, and environmental die-hards lobby and sue to stop it. Why don't we have more wind mills? Because people are worried about bird migratory patterns being disrupted. Seriously? Why aren't we taking advantage of our own natural gas supplies? The list goes on and on.

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Kelly, I guess we"re going to have to agree to disagree... Maybe the minimum wage wouldn't have to be set by the government if the "wonderful" corporations in this country didn't try to drastically underpay and overwork their workers, in order to keep more of the money themselves. Maybe medicare wouldn't have to be funded by the government if seniors and the elderly didn't lose their medical coverage (or it becomes too costly for them to purchase) when they retired. Maybe the government wouldn't have to get involved in health care, if the "great" medical insurance companies didn't deny someone coverage because the "price" of treatment, outweighed the value of their life! The government has an obligation to "protect" it's citizens from greedy, blood-sucking corporations, who prey on the weak and disenfranchised. We can't expect the corporations to regulate themselves. We can't expect them to do the right thing?They're not going to pay a fair salary or provide decent coverage or even extend coverage if it's going to effect their bottom line. We can't keep allowing them to throw people away like that!



The face of poverty is changing. It's no longer that eccentric uncle who can't find his "nitch" in life or the mother with 8 kids on welfare or the high school drop out who doesn't want to work. It's me and my neighbor. The middle-class barely exists anymore. It's the people who worked at a plant that got outsourced to India and lost their job, and the peoplem who worked at the alternative energy factory that closed down and lost their medical insurance and the family who loses their house because a parent got layed off and can't find another job and make the payments on their mortgage. If there are other alternatives then government getting involved, I would sure like to see it. I hear people whining and crying about Obama and "big" government, but I don't hear solutions. AND...if there are solutions...why aren't they being proposed and implemented??? What's the hold up?

Kelly - posted on 03/24/2010

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Kati, I don't know what you are talking about. I'll have to google and get back to ya :)

Kelly - posted on 03/24/2010

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Theresa, yes I am well aware of the unemployment rates. I just don't think our President gives a crap. He blows all sorts of smoke and mirrors about wanting to create jobs, and then turns around and sets policy to discourage job growth.

As far as insurance goes, you CAN appeal a decision made by your insurance company. There ARE state health pools for high risk people. One of my old bosses had major health issues, hormone problems, and a liver transplant. She was covered when she worked at our company, (we all paid more for our premiums because it was a small business) and when she left, she got insured through the state pool. Yes, you have to pay higher premiums, but you are using more services. That to me is a no brainer. If you think your problems are solved now, you are mistaken. Yes, insurance companies will now have to insure high risk people and those with pre-existing conditions. But there are no provisions in the bill for HOW MUCH you can be charged for premiums, and you will HAVE to purchase insurance, or face fines and penalties. How is that going to help you exactly? Sure, if you have insurance through your job, you are grandfathered in, for a max of 5 years. Then those plans have to comply with the government set standards too.

Charges are a trickle down. Hospitals and doctors have to try to make up the money they loose somehow to keep operating. So of course they pass higher rates to insurance companies, which trickles down to policy holders. Insurance companies have about a 3% profit margin. Not huge by any standards. Big Pharma has a profit margin of about 16%, but of course Obama did some back room deals there to get this bill passed, so you won't see your medications reduced ever.

Hope you have had a chance to research for yourself tax stats. I believe you are misguided there. And this statement: "As businesses are forced to close, deny medical coverage to their employees, and eliminate bonuses, the government has always looked to tax them. I suppose you think that's fair?" Who exactly are you talking about? The employees or the businesses? That just didn't make sense to me either way.......

The bill is flawed, and it is a start, you are right there. It's a start to complete ruin if you ask me. Once the ball is rolling, it will be impossible to stop. We will enter another government quagmire like medicare and medicaid. I guess I would feel a little more positive if those programs weren't completely down the crapper. So no, I don't believe we will be paying less for premiums or medications. In the long run I believe we will be paying more.

Kelly - posted on 03/24/2010

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I haven't figured out the new way to quote, so please forgive my "cut and paste" technique.....

Sara, you brought up some interesting questions that I would like to attempt to answer.
"do you think the financial sector in this country needs regulation or do you think the collapse of the financial system was just "Capitalism" in action and you think they should be able to trade and make money of high risk ventures that will only, in the end, make money for themselves and leave the rest of us in ruin?"

This to me, is not a cut and dry answer. I do think Capitalism works, when government doesn't get involved. Historically, economies are cyclical. There are highs, and lows. Much of the "bad" lending happened when the government (started by Clinton, NOT ended by Bush) told banks they needed to relax their requirements for lending. It was part of that "American Dream" where everyone deserved to be homeowners. So you get people making 9 bucks an hour all of a sudden able to buy a $400k house because of tricky financing, adjustable rate mortgages, etc. Sorry, but that bubble had to pop someday. Yes, I think that it is ok to let some banks fail. Of course, the problem wouldn't have been as bad if govt hadn't been involved to begin with though..... Same with the car companies. What is wrong with them filing bankruptcy, some going away completely and others re-organizing? No one bailed out Delta, Northwest, Pan Am, Branaff, etc. and some are now gone, others have come out of bankruptcy, and the entire airline industry did not fail.

I agree with you in that change is inevitable. Progress is not a dirty word. I just think that in our free market society, we would be able to change with the times without the government stepping in and forcing that change in any certain direction. When our President basically takes over a huge corporation, forces its CEO to step down and takes over, that sets a dangerous precident. Government has NO BUSINESS running a car company. Now its healthcare, banks, dictating what salaries should be, what the heck is next? You may think I am a paranoid freak, and maybe I am a little. You may not care today that our govt wants to put caps on CEO salaries. But where will it stop? Who's to say it won't trickle down? Obviously we already have a Federal Minimum wage, so what is stopping them from setting a MAXIMUM wage? I guess I am just a firm believer in letting the marketplace set the rules. Bad companies that are run poorly should go out of business. It opens the door for upstarts to take a hold of that market.

Rosie - posted on 03/23/2010

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some people may not be turned away from a hospital, but they are damn well denied a procedure that they need. do you remember nataline sarkiyan? she needed a liver transplant, and was denied one by her insurance. after days of her family going to the press, and pressuring her insurance company to cover the transplant they finally gave in-the day the girl died. what if that was your daughter?

Sara - posted on 03/23/2010

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LOL...I'll wait! Though I have to leave soon so it may be tomorrow before I get back on here!

Kelly - posted on 03/23/2010

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Sara I am enjoying this conversation with you, but I have to run for a while. I will be back :) just didn't want you to think I wasn't responding, or worse, giving in..... lol

Sara - posted on 03/23/2010

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But I have to ask Kelly, don't you think that we have to progress? Don't you think things in this country have to change? I mean, you talk about all this like the government in sneaking it's way into your life and pretty soon it's just going to be all out Nazis Death Camp or something. Do you not agree with regulation AT ALL? Just as an example, do you think the financial sector in this country needs regulation or do you think the collapse of the financial system was just "Capitalism" in action and you think they should be able to trade and make money of high risk ventures that will only, in the end, make money for themselves and leave the rest of us in ruin? Is that the essence of America? Is that really what being an American means to you? I'm honestly curious...I might sound hostile, but I honestly don't mean to be. You say that people have learned that they can make money sitting on their porches...well, people in this country have also learned that you can make money off predatory lending practices and the sick.

I, for one, don't think we as a people can just sit around and say we are ok with the status quo. If we want to compete in the world market, we have to change plain and simple. But so many people are so resistant of change, it's like they freak out at the word "progress". But I think progress is more what America is about, and I think it's the government's responsibility and right to make sure that it's citizens are protected, from outside our borders and within, from terrorists and corporations and ill-conceived lending practices and financial practices. Maybe that's where all our fundamental differences lay, I don't know. You see it as government taking over, I don't.

Kelly - posted on 03/23/2010

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Theresa, I will first answer what I feel is the most rediculous statement in your post. The misconception that you have about the "rich" not paying their fair share of taxes. The wealthiest 1% of Americans pay approx. 37% of the total taxes collected. When you move to the wealthiest 10% of taxpayers, they pay 68% of the total tab. The bottom 50% (those below the median income level) pay just 3% of all taxes collected. So what exactly is "fair?"

As far as the rest of your outburst, all I can say is WOW. Why does the government need to reform or control every aspect of our lives and economy? There are some that claim socialization works in other countries like Canada and the UK, but there are just as many (if not more) facts that show they are failing. And why does the US need to conform to what other countries are doing?

America became a selfish greedy place when people discovered they could make more money sitting on their porches than working a job. This sense of entitlement that people have these days makes me sick. No, you are not owed anything by anyone. If you want health insurance, go get a job and pay for it. No one is ever turned away from a hospital, regardless of whether they have coverage or not.

No one has ever argued that the system is not flawed, but putting the government in charge is not the answer. What is next? Does every family deserve a car? a big screen TV? a backyard? When will it ever be "fair" enough for you?

Kelly - posted on 03/22/2010

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Funny, but of all the coverage so far, nothing has actually been caught on tape. Do I believe there were racist people protesting? Maybe........... Racists come in all types and colors. However, I think the "stories" where Barney Frank is insisting he was called a "faggot" and other Dems are claiming the "N" word was thrown out, yet NO ONE caught any of that on tape despite the fact that newscasters recorded everyone entering the Capitol show that they are JUST stories. Sorry, I won't believe it until they come up with the video.



As far as being the platform for "hate", sure. But it is hatred towards where our Country is heading, and what our government is doing right now. I absolutely hate the fact that we have government officials that refuse to listen to their constituents. As far as this healthcare monstrosity is concerned, only time will tell. Unfortunately, it will be impossible to reverse the damage or get rid of this thing once people realize it wasn't a good idea. For now, you better hope you don't make more than $88K a year...........

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