The latest right wing attack is on...wait for it....

ME - posted on 11/12/2009

Thanks!!! After I found out that she was preggers, my husband and I decided to start trying a few months earlier than we had planned...just in case it took me six months to get pregnant again this time...it took 4 days ;-) So...our babies are only going to be 2 months or so apart...depending on deliveries, etc...We DO look alike don't we...you should see the three of us with our mom...it's ridiculous!

Dana - posted on 11/12/2009

It took us almost 2 full days to figure out Ethan's name. I was being discharged but he was staying in the NICU and then in the regular hospital after that so, they said I had to pick a name. The funny thing is, I picked out the name Ethan early, even put it in the notes section in the back of the baby book but, Matt didn't like it. In the hospital I told him to get busy because every name I picked he vetoed. Then he found the name Ethanael and that was it. LOL crazy man. He didn't even remember saying no to Ethan but, at that point he did look like an Ethan. :)

Mary, you and your sister's look so much alike and I think it's awesome you'll have your baby within months of your sister! I love the name too.

Christa, I'd wanna punch her in the face too. Thanks for the laugh, I can just imagine a pregnant woman blasting a nasty ex-wife in the face! :) I hope you work the name thing out. Maybe you'll have a girl and it will be all for naught! I love the name Scarlett though.

?? - posted on 11/12/2009

Mary, you and your sister both look awesome!



Wow Christa, your husbands ex sounds like a total witch with a capital B !!!

ME - posted on 11/12/2009

I am the one all the way to the right (gray shirt)...I am 6 months pregnant, and it IS a girl...I think her name is going to be Mya Elizabeth...but that isn't a final decision yet. The girl next to me in the pic is my youngest sister (due 12/21) - it was her baby shower, and holding Miles on the other end is another of my sisters (2 years younger than me)...She's not pregnant...She's more of a dog person ;-)

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

Mary's having a girl :D and I too wanna know which one you are in the picture Mary lol



And I wanna know the answers to Dana's other questions too hehe

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

Mary's having a girl :D and I too wanna know which one you are in the picture Mary lol



And I wanna know the answers to Dana's other questions too hehe

Dana - posted on 11/11/2009

Okay since we're onto personal stuff now. Do either of you know what you're having, do you have any names picked out? How far along are you both? AND Mary, which chick are you in your picture!! lol I think these are questions we're all anxious to know! :)

ME - posted on 11/11/2009

Are you going to find out what you are having Christa, or are you going to wait for the surprise???

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

Sounds good to me too !! Eventually ... maybe ... LOL not anytime soon though!

Dana - posted on 11/11/2009

Gabe and Abigail. Sounds good to me! lol

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

Nooooooooooo I want to enjoy my first for a few more years before I have another!

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

Nooooooooooo I want to enjoy my first for a few more years before I have another!

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

I think you should go with Abigail Sue (Abby Sue!) if baby is a girl

Abigail means "The Father's pride and joy" ......... I love that name so much !

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Dallas Mason if baby is a boy

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

I just put that in to see if you were paying attention! :P

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

Good one! How about Dallas Cooper Gilstrap? Dallas James Gilstrap (DJ!)? Dallas Barack Obama Gilstrap? Dallas Sue Gilstrap? Dallas could totally work for a girl!

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

Dallas Mason Gilstrap

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

Dallas Gilstrap...I'm going to start a campaign!

Dana - posted on 11/11/2009

Oh, I like Dallas for a name. Sounds very Republican too! lol

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Christa:

No no, we will be getting away from the Colts. I can only support them when the Broncos have no chance at the playoffs and that's not the case this year. (yet)

Although my top boy name is Cooper Eli (Cooper is my maiden name and Eli is my husbands middle name), but they are also the names of Peyton's brothers. I also wanted to name my next girl Olivia (but my husband vetoed it) and I found out that is Peyton's mothers name, so I think my obsession is more with the Manning Family and not the Colts. LOL ;-)

LOL...that's funny.  You need an Archie to complete the obsession...

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

Do you have a name for the new addition yet? How about Reggie or Dallas...keep with the Colt's theme! :)



Dallas Gilstrap has quite the ring to it!

?? - posted on 11/11/2009

My daddy is a logger... sailors, loggers, truckers... trash mouth galore!

My parents say my brothers first word was TRUCK...

I think it's a cover up! I know the truth!

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

Christa, wait just a minute...your daughter's name is Peyton, but you're a Bronco's fan? :)

Dana - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Christa:

Quoting Amie:

No I don't see how it's offensive. It's stating a fact that happens to all women when their pregnant. I've been there 4 times. Sorry if you took it that way, it wasn't meant as a jab.

I pointed out the swear word because it is one and most people don't swear unless they are upset. Well unless it's part of their normal converse, which you happen to never use any. Make sense now? /:)

LOL, I guess I can see why you say that.  It's funny because those who know me know that I actually cuss like a truck driver (not around the kids of course) I just edit myself here.  I guess that one slipped through. :-P

LoL, well, well, well, we learn something new everyday!  LMAO.  I too have a pot-ty mouth but am trying to curb it.  Sometimes it does slip though to here also.  Sometimes it's needed!  :)

Cathy - posted on 11/11/2009

I've just watched the clip .... Are they taking the mick of our royality???? BAN IT NOW!

:-P

Colleen - posted on 11/11/2009

Yeah, you'd think that would be what people would be upset about. Either way, whatever. If another parent decides, as a result of this episode, that they don't want their kid watching Sesame Street anymore, that's their perogative. I think it's silly to make such a huge public thing out of it, but people will do what they'll do, you know?

Isobel - posted on 11/11/2009

So I finally went over to youtube and ACTUALLY watched it...I think it's hilarious that FOX news is upset about being called Pox news...especially when the grouch works for GNN (garbage news network)

i just think it's weird that they did in fact, mention gay men kissing...I don't have a problem with it but, it seems oddly out of place on a children's show.

I'm pretty sure these are the values that the right does not agree with, but then I could be wrong.

Colleen - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Laura:

Quoting Colleen:

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A character actually came onto the show and wanted Bert and Ernie to stop being roomies? I vaguely remember some peopley saying they were gay (which was a totally dumb comment--they're obviously, as you said Laura, a play off of the Odd Couple), but I didn't realize that movement (for lack of a better word) actually made it onto the show. Interesting.

No, it didn't happen ON the show, it happened around the show.  Like I said, the liberals laughed...and the show did nothing.  They did not even acknowledge the claim because it was riciculous.  

I am a little curious though...Did I understand that Oscar sais something on Sesame about gay men kissing???Now that's just weird!

Ah, gotcha. I do remember that happening. People will get their undies twisted over the dumbest things, won't they? I don't know about the whole men kissing thing. That's something that Jo said.

Isobel - posted on 11/11/2009

Quoting Colleen:

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A character actually came onto the show and wanted Bert and Ernie to stop being roomies? I vaguely remember some peopley saying they were gay (which was a totally dumb comment--they're obviously, as you said Laura, a play off of the Odd Couple), but I didn't realize that movement (for lack of a better word) actually made it onto the show. Interesting.

No, it didn't happen ON the show, it happened around the show.  Like I said, the liberals laughed...and the show did nothing.  They did not even acknowledge the claim because it was riciculous.  

I am a little curious though...Did I understand that Oscar sais something on Sesame about gay men kissing???Now that's just weird!

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Maleasha:

Personally, I think this is a completely ridiculous topic to be discussing.

Maleasha - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Loureen:

Ive been following this thread and honestly cannot believe how ludicrous this all is , trust adults to take a simple kids show and turn it into a conspiracy.

I have to agree with Loureen on this one.  I've been reading through the posts and this whole thing reminds me of a bunch of bickering children.  I'm pretty sure we can all agree that there are certain shows, whether it be animated or not, that we don't allow our children to watch.  Do we really need to sit here and try to explain why we have chosen not to allow certain things in our homes?  We are all moms just trying to do the best for our kids and teach them right from wrong in the ways we think best.  Do we really need to be attacking eachothers parenting techniques?

Personally, I think this is a completely ridiculous topic to be discussing.

Charlie - posted on 11/10/2009

Ive been following this thread and honestly cannot believe how ludicrous this all is , trust adults to take a simple kids show and turn it into a conspiracy.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Jenny:

Colleen, do you really think they'll retain the words "Pox News" 30 seconds past the broadcast? My daughter is top of her class and reading at a Grade 7 level at 6 years old and she still can't remember what she did at school as I ask her when picking her up from the class she left 5 minutes previously. It is just a huge overreaction from adults.

Personally, I don't. I mean, kids will surprise us with the knowledge that they retain--especially when it's something we didn't think they were paying attention to, like the radio or tv on in the background or an adult conversation, etc. But like I said, I personally don't think this is that big of a deal. But I understand why some people are upset, and I'm just trying to convey that side of the issue.

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

The people from PBS have said that the parody should have been resisted by the producers. I listened to it, and I heard POX news. The majority of people who have notedly said they heard FOX news are parents whining about the implication that FOX news is trashy. So again, it's the parents, not the children.



To the children, all it is, is Oscar the Grouch and his trashy news show GNN.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

No harm, no foul! :-)

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

Colleen, do you really think they'll retain the words "Pox News" 30 seconds past the broadcast? My daughter is top of her class and reading at a Grade 7 level at 6 years old and she still can't remember what she did at school as I ask her when picking her up from the class she left 5 minutes previously. It is just a huge overreaction from adults.

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

I suppose I should have seen that with me saying the EXACT same thing about the reaction to Christa's post lol. My bad, anyways, moving on....lol.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Jenny:

I am a big girl and not puritanical about words. I will not apologize for saying ass. It was not even used in a personally insulting way. I took the reaction to Christa saying hell as teasing.

Although, I suppose it did distract from the intent of my post which is the ridiculousness of the reaction to this episode/show.

Jeez, calm down. I was just teasing you. Seriously, people need to relax and not get so personally offended over dumb stuff.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Jo:

Quoting Colleen:

Do you really not see how kids would hear "Pox News is trashy" and not associate it to "Fox News is trashy"?

Alright so here's what I can decipher from the clip that is all up in a fuss about....

 

*Lady* Oh thank you nice reporter, oh how I LOVE the paparazzi!
*oscar holding GNN mic* Oh thank you, thank you, you dear, dear person.
*man starts kissing Oscar too*
*phone rings* *oscar answers* yea yea I know what you're going to say.....
*on the phone* A gay man kissing! That is it!! I am changing the channel! From now I am watching POX news, now there's a trashy news show HAHA

 

The kids aren't going to think about FOX NEWS at all........ especially since theyeven EMPHASIZE the PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPox, there's no real mistaking it for FOX at all, unless of course they're watching it with bad reception......... and they're going to think OSCAR THE GROUCH LIKES TRASH! And that the person on the phone probably just wanted more GARBAGE...

CAUSE THE AUDIENCE IS 2-5 YEARS OLD!!! And like I said, children DO NOT automatically associate bad things JUST BECAUSE their parents would/do/can/whatever.

And just as an ADULT side note ... Fox would probably be pissy if it was something else and that Sesame Street parodied CNN with GNN and DIDN'T parody Fox in some way or another.

 

Either way, it's BS. The children don't give a poop. All it is, is a bunch of people gettin paid to do nothing, so they find crap to whine about... all the while their kids are sitting in front of the TV being taught Chinese by Kai Lan so that they're prepared for the Asian take over that is to come muahahahaha (that's a joke by the way, in case that was lost in the OH SO SERIOUS business that is the ABC's & 123's!!!)

Actually, lots of people (including PBS's ombudsman) thought they said "Fox News", so it couldn't have been too emphasized. And the whole point is that the next time the kid hears the phrase "Fox News" (overhearing a conversation between adults, on the tv in the background, whatever), they'll associate "Fox News" with "Pox News", which Sesame Street told them was trashy. No, the kids don't care about politics, but it's putting a preconceived notion about something where there once was no preconceived notion.

Or so those who are upset say.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Colleen:

Quoting Amie:

Colleen,
I asked because very few on the liberal side would have cared if it had been Flea NN.
It's a children's show, we would have laughed and moved on. Like our children would have. It's a simple thing to understand.
The ONLY reason this wasn't an issue back then is Fox was not in the spotlight the way it is now.
Seriously are their loads of people who do research to find any tiny bit of controversy JUST so they can make a hoopla? Are there not better things to do with their time? Like the actual news and issues? /:)
Leave the cartoons alone already.

I completely agree. Which is why I don't think it's that big of a deal. If there wasn't an outcry when it originally aired, it sort of invalidates the current outcry. Yet I can understand why, with the current political climate, people would be upset.

Sesame Street isn't a cartoon. ;-)

Glad we agree.

I know Sesame Street isn't a cartoon. It was in reference to anytime something like this happens. I grew up watching it, it's pretty sad how far it's fallen already.

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Colleen:

Do you really not see how kids would hear "Pox News is trashy" and not associate it to "Fox News is trashy"?

Alright so here's what I can decipher from the clip that is all up in a fuss about....

*Lady* Oh thank you nice reporter, oh how I LOVE the paparazzi!
*oscar holding GNN mic* Oh thank you, thank you, you dear, dear person.
*man starts kissing Oscar too*
*phone rings* *oscar answers* yea yea I know what you're going to say.....
*on the phone* A gay man kissing! That is it!! I am changing the channel! From now I am watching POX news, now there's a trashy news show HAHA

The kids aren't going to think about FOX NEWS at all........ especially since theyeven EMPHASIZE the PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPox, there's no real mistaking it for FOX at all, unless of course they're watching it with bad reception......... and they're going to think OSCAR THE GROUCH LIKES TRASH! And that the person on the phone probably just wanted more GARBAGE...

CAUSE THE AUDIENCE IS 2-5 YEARS OLD!!! And like I said, children DO NOT automatically associate bad things JUST BECAUSE their parents would/do/can/whatever.

And just as an ADULT side note ... Fox would probably be pissy if it was something else and that Sesame Street parodied CNN with GNN and DIDN'T parody Fox in some way or another.

Either way, it's BS. The children don't give a poop. All it is, is a bunch of people gettin paid to do nothing, so they find crap to whine about... all the while their kids are sitting in front of the TV being taught Chinese by Kai Lan so that they're prepared for the Asian take over that is to come muahahahaha (that's a joke by the way, in case that was lost in the OH SO SERIOUS business that is the ABC's & 123's!!!)

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

I am a big girl and not puritanical about words. I will not apologize for saying ass. It was not even used in a personally insulting way. I took the reaction to Christa saying hell as teasing.



Although, I suppose it did distract from the intent of my post which is the ridiculousness of the reaction to this episode/show.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Laura:

Quoting Christa:

I don't think anyone on here has said they were personally offended by this episode, I just think we have said that we can see why some might be.

And I could also see how some people would be offended if they did use Flea N N. Here’s a hypothetical for you. . Let’s say there was a character who came on Sesame Street who thought it was weird that Bert and Ernie (two men) spent so much time together and maybe they should live separately. I know that would bother many of you, even though at "face value" there's nothing wrong with what that character said. So take a step back and just try and see how this could offend some parents and let it be. We already know you disagree with the conservative values.

It's not hypothetical...it happened, years ago.  Sesame Street considered removing them or having them move apart.  That particular skit is a take on the odd couple...a sixties show about two roommates who were polar opposites.  Liberals laughed, nothing was done.

A character actually came onto the show and wanted Bert and Ernie to stop being roomies? I vaguely remember some peopley saying they were gay (which was a totally dumb comment--they're obviously, as you said Laura, a play off of the Odd Couple), but I didn't realize that movement (for lack of a better word) actually made it onto the show. Interesting.

Isobel - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Christa:

I don't think anyone on here has said they were personally offended by this episode, I just think we have said that we can see why some might be.

And I could also see how some people would be offended if they did use Flea N N. Here’s a hypothetical for you. . Let’s say there was a character who came on Sesame Street who thought it was weird that Bert and Ernie (two men) spent so much time together and maybe they should live separately. I know that would bother many of you, even though at "face value" there's nothing wrong with what that character said. So take a step back and just try and see how this could offend some parents and let it be. We already know you disagree with the conservative values.

It's not hypothetical...it happened, years ago.  Sesame Street considered removing them or having them move apart.  That particular skit is a take on the odd couple...a sixties show about two roommates who were polar opposites.  Liberals laughed, nothing was done.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Jenny:

I cannot BELIEVE this is an issue. Seriously, I want to slap everyone who thought this was "news" and made us talk about it in the first place. The adults are being RIDICULOUS in believing a show geared to 3-5 year olds is politically motivated. Especially with a liberal bias, with a Republican at the helm and numerous others on the board.

And the children couldn't give a rat's ass. They just want to sing along with Elmo and count with The Count. That is the most important part of the whole thing, those who are actually watching the show are not political. It is their crazy parents taking it WAY over the top.

Anyone who is offended because of a play on words needs to immediately wear a tinfoil hat in public on all occassions to warn the rest of us how thin skinned and delirious you are.

Jenny, my goodness, as Aime pointed out earlier, there's no need for swearing. As far as I know, you're not pregnant and hormonal, too...

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

More importantly, do you think the audience for Sesame Street gives a hoot about what Fox News even is? NO.

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Jo:

Quoting Colleen:

Quoting Jo:
OHH I see so Fox news doesn't want to be associated with TRASHY news......? I guess I'll have to back off this one because most of what I have seen from Fox News is trash... so I still don't really see the issue.

It's kinda like that woman saying Baby Einstein is crap and Baby Einstein saying 'we know where we stand so we don't really care what you think' and leaving it at that. The only reason people get ridiculous over being called something 'bad' is if the implication actually has a valid point.

My point before though, is that; to a child, there is only political tones to anything if the parent decides there must be and when a child asks a question, the parent responds with a political answer!

Do you really not see why some people are upset? Some people see fox news as being a valuable news source. So to have some third party put it in their kids' heads that "pox news" (which, as already stated, sounds uncannily like "fox news") is trashy would be upsetting to some people.

And really, kids are not as dumb as you seem to be giving them credit for. They pick up on all sorts of things that we don't even realize. If kids are in the room while parents are watching the news or discussing politics, kids will pick up on it and understand what's going on. When I was teaching kindergarten I had a student ask me about Saddam Hussein (this was in 2005). By name. I mentioned to his mom that he was already showing an interest in politics and current events and she was shocked because they had never discussed anything of that nature with him.

I see why people are upset, I do NOT see the point of them getting upset though.

I know fine and well how smart kids are and what they pick up on. I also know that children don't automatically associate bad things together without a reason. For example - children will not see Pox News, think Fox News, and then think "Pox News is trashy news so Fox News is trashy news." Chances are that if a child sees POX NEWS, they will think CHICKEN POX before they think FOX NEWS, unles they are an older child.

Again, I will say this, the only reason children will associate something like Fox News is Trashy from Pox News, is if a parent tells them so, UNLESS they are obviously old enough to begin forming their own opinions. And in that case, if the parent has open communication with their child, that still would not be an issue.

That being said, it all goes back to talking to your children. Of course children pick up on things, duh, thanks there captain obvious, but children don't automatically associate bad 'qualities' to things unless they are told so. Oscar the Grouch, is a cranky grouchy character, but he's also a loved character. Parents need to stop putting their preconcieved notions into their childrens minds.

A 2 year old watching Sesame Street is going to laugh at the silly characters talking about silly things. A 5 year old will think about more than that. And it's the parents responsibility to explain it all, know what their children are watching, and keep their own agenda's in check when answering their childrens questions.

So again, it is only the parents that add a political meaning to childrens TV shows. Not the children. Therefore I do not see the reason for anyone to be upset.


Sorry for my late reply, my son had his belated birthday play date today.

Do you really not see how kids would hear "Pox News is trashy" and not associate it to "Fox News is trashy"?

Colleen - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Amie:

Colleen,
I asked because very few on the liberal side would have cared if it had been Flea NN.
It's a children's show, we would have laughed and moved on. Like our children would have. It's a simple thing to understand.
The ONLY reason this wasn't an issue back then is Fox was not in the spotlight the way it is now.
Seriously are their loads of people who do research to find any tiny bit of controversy JUST so they can make a hoopla? Are there not better things to do with their time? Like the actual news and issues? /:)
Leave the cartoons alone already.

I completely agree. Which is why I don't think it's that big of a deal. If there wasn't an outcry when it originally aired, it sort of invalidates the current outcry. Yet I can understand why, with the current political climate, people would be upset.

Sesame Street isn't a cartoon. ;-)

Jenny - posted on 11/10/2009

I cannot BELIEVE this is an issue. Seriously, I want to slap everyone who thought this was "news" and made us talk about it in the first place. The adults are being RIDICULOUS in believing a show geared to 3-5 year olds is politically motivated. Especially with a liberal bias, with a Republican at the helm and numerous others on the board.



And the children couldn't give a rat's ass. They just want to sing along with Elmo and count with The Count. That is the most important part of the whole thing, those who are actually watching the show are not political. It is their crazy parents taking it WAY over the top.



Anyone who is offended because of a play on words needs to immediately wear a tinfoil hat in public on all occassions to warn the rest of us how thin skinned and delirious you are.

?? - posted on 11/10/2009

Quoting Colleen:

Quoting Jo:

OHH I see so Fox news doesn't want to be associated with TRASHY news......? I guess I'll have to back off this one because most of what I have seen from Fox News is trash... so I still don't really see the issue.



It's kinda like that woman saying Baby Einstein is crap and Baby Einstein saying 'we know where we stand so we don't really care what you think' and leaving it at that. The only reason people get ridiculous over being called something 'bad' is if the implication actually has a valid point.



My point before though, is that; to a child, there is only political tones to anything if the parent decides there must be and when a child asks a question, the parent responds with a political answer!

Do you really not see why some people are upset? Some people see fox news as being a valuable news source. So to have some third party put it in their kids' heads that "pox news" (which, as already stated, sounds uncannily like "fox news") is trashy would be upsetting to some people.



And really, kids are not as dumb as you seem to be giving them credit for. They pick up on all sorts of things that we don't even realize. If kids are in the room while parents are watching the news or discussing politics, kids will pick up on it and understand what's going on. When I was teaching kindergarten I had a student ask me about Saddam Hussein (this was in 2005). By name. I mentioned to his mom that he was already showing an interest in politics and current events and she was shocked because they had never discussed anything of that nature with him.

Amie - posted on 11/10/2009

No I don't see how it's offensive. It's stating a fact that happens to all women when their pregnant. I've been there 4 times. Sorry if you took it that way, it wasn't meant as a jab.

I pointed out the swear word because it is one and most people don't swear unless they are upset. Well unless it's part of their normal converse, which you happen to never use any. Make sense now? /:)