The latest right wing attack is on...wait for it....

ME - posted on 11/09/2009 ( 104 moms have responded )

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Seseme Street??? Really??? (Sigh...)

Two years ago Seseme Street did a skit where the punch line involved a statement that some character would rather watch a phoney news station (that rhymes with fox) because it was the real "trash news" (instead of Oscar's news program to which it was being compared)...The right wing is now claiming that the administrations public disagreement with fox news is carrying over into children's programing, and that seseme street is in cahoots with the dems to try to indoctrinate our children...The skit was rerun recently...but is, in fact, two years old...please help me understand what can be gained by attacking a decades old FANTASTIC program for children...very YOUNG children, who typically know nothing of politics, and wouldn't recognize this as a politically relevant joke if it jumped out of their television sets and started dancing around their living rooms...Isn't all of this fear-mongering and conspiracy touting getting exhausting to everyone...I don't know how much more I can stomach!

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I find it hilarious that so many people dismiss the TV shows as 'liberal' when children couldn't care less as long as they have bright colors, dancing and singing... what exactly is specifically liberal when it comes to watching characters act out examples of sharing, being nice, not being judgemental, how to be gracious and friendly and just overall experiences of how to deal with bad situations - with friends and strangers? What about those lessons are SPECIFICALLY liberal? Because if those are 'liberal' ideas... I DO NOT want to know what the lessons would be on a conservative show!!!!



Kids just don't give a poop about the politics behind a show... especially at the Sesame Street level!



You're talking about "morals and standards" -- unless you are plopping your kid in front of the TV and letting them learn their morals and standards from Bert & Ernie there is absolutely no reason to be thinking Sesame Street is going to warp your childs mind. Last I thought, being nice, courteous and friendly were basic and generally the standard all civilized humans tend to teach their children... so if you have a problem with Sesame Street, because of YOUR political agenda, your child has more things to worry about than whether they get to watch Sesame Street or not.

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Ive been following this thread and honestly cannot believe how ludicrous this all is , trust adults to take a simple kids show and turn it into a conspiracy.

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I cannot BELIEVE this is an issue. Seriously, I want to slap everyone who thought this was "news" and made us talk about it in the first place. The adults are being RIDICULOUS in believing a show geared to 3-5 year olds is politically motivated. Especially with a liberal bias, with a Republican at the helm and numerous others on the board.



And the children couldn't give a rat's ass. They just want to sing along with Elmo and count with The Count. That is the most important part of the whole thing, those who are actually watching the show are not political. It is their crazy parents taking it WAY over the top.



Anyone who is offended because of a play on words needs to immediately wear a tinfoil hat in public on all occassions to warn the rest of us how thin skinned and delirious you are.

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Quoting Christa:

Oh ladies, you are blind to the point. IF there are people out there who don't like the undertones that are being subliminally taught to their children why do you care? It's not about politics, it's not that some parent is out there explaining the political relevance of that comment. It's that kids are smarter then you all are giving them credit for and they pick up on things that you may not think they do. So if someone sees an undertone to a program that they don't like, just disagree with it and move on. Why do they have to see it the way you do? Imagine if there was a character that came in and "saved" everyone, or had some other sort of Jesus connection that a child may not pick up on. There may be some of you that wouldn't like that. It's not about who runs the station or what their political affiliation is, its about the underlying message that gets sent to our kids. So if people want to be upset about whatever Sesame Street said then let them, we don't all have to think alike. Thank goodness!


In our family our son is a Beaver Scout and our oldest daughter is a Navy Cadet.  BOTH organizations have a religious feel to them. NEITHER my husband or I care.



We don't censor our children. It's how they grow up to be individuals with their own thought processes away from our own.



While we can teach them our morals and values it does not mean they need to believe everything in the exact same way we do. They are free to learn to find their interpretations.



With that being said I censor my children's t.v. for violence, language and teen/adult content. I don't censor it for any other reason. They will learn it all in time, they don't need to learn it all when they are small.

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I just want to add as a factoid that the guy who is the chair of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting was nominated by GW in 2006 and is a republican, there are also 3 other Republicans on the board. Now I know that PBS is independent of CPB even though they receive about 20% of their funding from CPB, but I just thought that was interesting.

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ME - posted on 11/12/2009

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Thanks!!! After I found out that she was preggers, my husband and I decided to start trying a few months earlier than we had planned...just in case it took me six months to get pregnant again this time...it took 4 days ;-) So...our babies are only going to be 2 months or so apart...depending on deliveries, etc...We DO look alike don't we...you should see the three of us with our mom...it's ridiculous!

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It took us almost 2 full days to figure out Ethan's name. I was being discharged but he was staying in the NICU and then in the regular hospital after that so, they said I had to pick a name. The funny thing is, I picked out the name Ethan early, even put it in the notes section in the back of the baby book but, Matt didn't like it. In the hospital I told him to get busy because every name I picked he vetoed. Then he found the name Ethanael and that was it. LOL crazy man. He didn't even remember saying no to Ethan but, at that point he did look like an Ethan. :)

Mary, you and your sister's look so much alike and I think it's awesome you'll have your baby within months of your sister! I love the name too.

Christa, I'd wanna punch her in the face too. Thanks for the laugh, I can just imagine a pregnant woman blasting a nasty ex-wife in the face! :) I hope you work the name thing out. Maybe you'll have a girl and it will be all for naught! I love the name Scarlett though.

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Mary, you and your sister both look awesome!



Wow Christa, your husbands ex sounds like a total witch with a capital B !!!

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I am the one all the way to the right (gray shirt)...I am 6 months pregnant, and it IS a girl...I think her name is going to be Mya Elizabeth...but that isn't a final decision yet. The girl next to me in the pic is my youngest sister (due 12/21) - it was her baby shower, and holding Miles on the other end is another of my sisters (2 years younger than me)...She's not pregnant...She's more of a dog person ;-)

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Mary's having a girl :D and I too wanna know which one you are in the picture Mary lol



And I wanna know the answers to Dana's other questions too hehe

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Mary's having a girl :D and I too wanna know which one you are in the picture Mary lol



And I wanna know the answers to Dana's other questions too hehe

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Okay since we're onto personal stuff now. Do either of you know what you're having, do you have any names picked out? How far along are you both? AND Mary, which chick are you in your picture!! lol I think these are questions we're all anxious to know! :)

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Are you going to find out what you are having Christa, or are you going to wait for the surprise???

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Sounds good to me too !! Eventually ... maybe ... LOL not anytime soon though!

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Nooooooooooo I want to enjoy my first for a few more years before I have another!

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Nooooooooooo I want to enjoy my first for a few more years before I have another!

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I think you should go with Abigail Sue (Abby Sue!) if baby is a girl

Abigail means "The Father's pride and joy" ......... I love that name so much !

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Dallas Mason if baby is a boy

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

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Good one! How about Dallas Cooper Gilstrap? Dallas James Gilstrap (DJ!)? Dallas Barack Obama Gilstrap? Dallas Sue Gilstrap? Dallas could totally work for a girl!

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Quoting Christa:

No no, we will be getting away from the Colts. I can only support them when the Broncos have no chance at the playoffs and that's not the case this year. (yet)

Although my top boy name is Cooper Eli (Cooper is my maiden name and Eli is my husbands middle name), but they are also the names of Peyton's brothers. I also wanted to name my next girl Olivia (but my husband vetoed it) and I found out that is Peyton's mothers name, so I think my obsession is more with the Manning Family and not the Colts. LOL ;-)



LOL...that's funny.  You need an Archie to complete the obsession...

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Do you have a name for the new addition yet? How about Reggie or Dallas...keep with the Colt's theme! :)



Dallas Gilstrap has quite the ring to it!

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My daddy is a logger... sailors, loggers, truckers... trash mouth galore!

My parents say my brothers first word was TRUCK...

I think it's a cover up! I know the truth!

Sara - posted on 11/11/2009

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Christa, wait just a minute...your daughter's name is Peyton, but you're a Bronco's fan? :)

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Quoting Christa:



Quoting Amie:

No I don't see how it's offensive. It's stating a fact that happens to all women when their pregnant. I've been there 4 times. Sorry if you took it that way, it wasn't meant as a jab.

I pointed out the swear word because it is one and most people don't swear unless they are upset. Well unless it's part of their normal converse, which you happen to never use any. Make sense now? /:)






LOL, I guess I can see why you say that.  It's funny because those who know me know that I actually cuss like a truck driver (not around the kids of course) I just edit myself here.  I guess that one slipped through. :-P






LoL, well, well, well, we learn something new everyday!  LMAO.  I too have a pot-ty mouth but am trying to curb it.  Sometimes it does slip though to here also.  Sometimes it's needed!  :)

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I've just watched the clip .... Are they taking the mick of our royality???? BAN IT NOW!

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Yeah, you'd think that would be what people would be upset about. Either way, whatever. If another parent decides, as a result of this episode, that they don't want their kid watching Sesame Street anymore, that's their perogative. I think it's silly to make such a huge public thing out of it, but people will do what they'll do, you know?

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So I finally went over to youtube and ACTUALLY watched it...I think it's hilarious that FOX news is upset about being called Pox news...especially when the grouch works for GNN (garbage news network)

i just think it's weird that they did in fact, mention gay men kissing...I don't have a problem with it but, it seems oddly out of place on a children's show.

I'm pretty sure these are the values that the right does not agree with, but then I could be wrong.

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Quoting Laura:



Quoting Colleen:







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A character actually came onto the show and wanted Bert and Ernie to stop being roomies? I vaguely remember some peopley saying they were gay (which was a totally dumb comment--they're obviously, as you said Laura, a play off of the Odd Couple), but I didn't realize that movement (for lack of a better word) actually made it onto the show. Interesting.









No, it didn't happen ON the show, it happened around the show.  Like I said, the liberals laughed...and the show did nothing.  They did not even acknowledge the claim because it was riciculous.  






I am a little curious though...Did I understand that Oscar sais something on Sesame about gay men kissing???Now that's just weird!





Ah, gotcha. I do remember that happening. People will get their undies twisted over the dumbest things, won't they? I don't know about the whole men kissing thing. That's something that Jo said.

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Quoting Colleen:





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A character actually came onto the show and wanted Bert and Ernie to stop being roomies? I vaguely remember some peopley saying they were gay (which was a totally dumb comment--they're obviously, as you said Laura, a play off of the Odd Couple), but I didn't realize that movement (for lack of a better word) actually made it onto the show. Interesting.





No, it didn't happen ON the show, it happened around the show.  Like I said, the liberals laughed...and the show did nothing.  They did not even acknowledge the claim because it was riciculous.  



I am a little curious though...Did I understand that Oscar sais something on Sesame about gay men kissing???Now that's just weird!

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Quoting Maleasha:

Personally, I think this is a completely ridiculous topic to be discussing.




I agree that this topic is completely ridiculous. I think for different reasons than you do though. I think Sesame Street is a completely ridiculous topic to make into a big deal, period.



But I think the fact that it is a big deal to some people is worth discussing because it points towards parents that want to censor, and/or, publicly 'shame' TV shows because of their own ideas - when in fact, all it is, is a TV show, about ABC's & 123's & children really do not give a donkey about politics at 1-5 years old.



And if you're talking to your children anyways, what Oscar the Grouch has to say for less than 30 seconds (that entire parody was 36 seconds long), will go in 1 ear, play around for a minute with the other bright colors and dancing characters, and go right out the other ear!



So if people are THAT worried about 30 seconds of Oscar the Grouch and Sesame Street, their parenting could very well be an issue, because they obviously are not worried about their children, they're worried about their own politics.

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Quoting Loureen:

Ive been following this thread and honestly cannot believe how ludicrous this all is , trust adults to take a simple kids show and turn it into a conspiracy.


I have to agree with Loureen on this one.  I've been reading through the posts and this whole thing reminds me of a bunch of bickering children.  I'm pretty sure we can all agree that there are certain shows, whether it be animated or not, that we don't allow our children to watch.  Do we really need to sit here and try to explain why we have chosen not to allow certain things in our homes?  We are all moms just trying to do the best for our kids and teach them right from wrong in the ways we think best.  Do we really need to be attacking eachothers parenting techniques?



 



Personally, I think this is a completely ridiculous topic to be discussing.

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Quoting Jenny:

Colleen, do you really think they'll retain the words "Pox News" 30 seconds past the broadcast? My daughter is top of her class and reading at a Grade 7 level at 6 years old and she still can't remember what she did at school as I ask her when picking her up from the class she left 5 minutes previously. It is just a huge overreaction from adults.



Personally, I don't. I mean, kids will surprise us with the knowledge that they retain--especially when it's something we didn't think they were paying attention to, like the radio or tv on in the background or an adult conversation, etc. But like I said, I personally don't think this is that big of a deal. But I understand why some people are upset, and I'm just trying to convey that side of the issue.

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The people from PBS have said that the parody should have been resisted by the producers. I listened to it, and I heard POX news. The majority of people who have notedly said they heard FOX news are parents whining about the implication that FOX news is trashy. So again, it's the parents, not the children.



To the children, all it is, is Oscar the Grouch and his trashy news show GNN.

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Colleen, do you really think they'll retain the words "Pox News" 30 seconds past the broadcast? My daughter is top of her class and reading at a Grade 7 level at 6 years old and she still can't remember what she did at school as I ask her when picking her up from the class she left 5 minutes previously. It is just a huge overreaction from adults.

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I suppose I should have seen that with me saying the EXACT same thing about the reaction to Christa's post lol. My bad, anyways, moving on....lol.

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Quoting Jenny:

I am a big girl and not puritanical about words. I will not apologize for saying ass. It was not even used in a personally insulting way. I took the reaction to Christa saying hell as teasing.

Although, I suppose it did distract from the intent of my post which is the ridiculousness of the reaction to this episode/show.



Jeez, calm down. I was just teasing you. Seriously, people need to relax and not get so personally offended over dumb stuff.

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Quoting Jo:



Quoting Colleen:




Do you really not see how kids would hear "Pox News is trashy" and not associate it to "Fox News is trashy"?









Alright so here's what I can decipher from the clip that is all up in a fuss about....






 






*Lady* Oh thank you nice reporter, oh how I LOVE the paparazzi!
*oscar holding GNN mic* Oh thank you, thank you, you dear, dear person.
*man starts kissing Oscar too*
*phone rings* *oscar answers* yea yea I know what you're going to say.....
*on the phone* A gay man kissing! That is it!! I am changing the channel! From now I am watching POX news, now there's a trashy news show HAHA






 






The kids aren't going to think about FOX NEWS at all........ especially since theyeven EMPHASIZE the PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPox, there's no real mistaking it for FOX at all, unless of course they're watching it with bad reception......... and they're going to think OSCAR THE GROUCH LIKES TRASH! And that the person on the phone probably just wanted more GARBAGE...






CAUSE THE AUDIENCE IS 2-5 YEARS OLD!!! And like I said, children DO NOT automatically associate bad things JUST BECAUSE their parents would/do/can/whatever.






And just as an ADULT side note ... Fox would probably be pissy if it was something else and that Sesame Street parodied CNN with GNN and DIDN'T parody Fox in some way or another.






 






Either way, it's BS. The children don't give a poop. All it is, is a bunch of people gettin paid to do nothing, so they find crap to whine about... all the while their kids are sitting in front of the TV being taught Chinese by Kai Lan so that they're prepared for the Asian take over that is to come muahahahaha (that's a joke by the way, in case that was lost in the OH SO SERIOUS business that is the ABC's & 123's!!!)





Actually, lots of people (including PBS's ombudsman) thought they said "Fox News", so it couldn't have been too emphasized. And the whole point is that the next time the kid hears the phrase "Fox News" (overhearing a conversation between adults, on the tv in the background, whatever), they'll associate "Fox News" with "Pox News", which Sesame Street told them was trashy. No, the kids don't care about politics, but it's putting a preconceived notion about something where there once was no preconceived notion.



Or so those who are upset say.

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Quoting Colleen:



Quoting Amie:

Colleen,
I asked because very few on the liberal side would have cared if it had been Flea NN.
It's a children's show, we would have laughed and moved on. Like our children would have. It's a simple thing to understand.
The ONLY reason this wasn't an issue back then is Fox was not in the spotlight the way it is now.
Seriously are their loads of people who do research to find any tiny bit of controversy JUST so they can make a hoopla? Are there not better things to do with their time? Like the actual news and issues? /:)
Leave the cartoons alone already.






I completely agree. Which is why I don't think it's that big of a deal. If there wasn't an outcry when it originally aired, it sort of invalidates the current outcry. Yet I can understand why, with the current political climate, people would be upset.






Sesame Street isn't a cartoon. ;-)





Glad we agree.



I know Sesame Street isn't a cartoon. It was in reference to anytime something like this happens. I grew up watching it, it's pretty sad how far it's fallen already.

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Quoting Colleen:



Do you really not see how kids would hear "Pox News is trashy" and not associate it to "Fox News is trashy"?





Alright so here's what I can decipher from the clip that is all up in a fuss about....



 



*Lady* Oh thank you nice reporter, oh how I LOVE the paparazzi!
*oscar holding GNN mic* Oh thank you, thank you, you dear, dear person.
*man starts kissing Oscar too*
*phone rings* *oscar answers* yea yea I know what you're going to say.....
*on the phone* A gay man kissing! That is it!! I am changing the channel! From now I am watching POX news, now there's a trashy news show HAHA



 



The kids aren't going to think about FOX NEWS at all........ especially since theyeven EMPHASIZE the PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPox, there's no real mistaking it for FOX at all, unless of course they're watching it with bad reception......... and they're going to think OSCAR THE GROUCH LIKES TRASH! And that the person on the phone probably just wanted more GARBAGE...



CAUSE THE AUDIENCE IS 2-5 YEARS OLD!!! And like I said, children DO NOT automatically associate bad things JUST BECAUSE their parents would/do/can/whatever.



And just as an ADULT side note ... Fox would probably be pissy if it was something else and that Sesame Street parodied CNN with GNN and DIDN'T parody Fox in some way or another.



 



Either way, it's BS. The children don't give a poop. All it is, is a bunch of people gettin paid to do nothing, so they find crap to whine about... all the while their kids are sitting in front of the TV being taught Chinese by Kai Lan so that they're prepared for the Asian take over that is to come muahahahaha (that's a joke by the way, in case that was lost in the OH SO SERIOUS business that is the ABC's & 123's!!!)

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I am a big girl and not puritanical about words. I will not apologize for saying ass. It was not even used in a personally insulting way. I took the reaction to Christa saying hell as teasing.



Although, I suppose it did distract from the intent of my post which is the ridiculousness of the reaction to this episode/show.

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Quoting Laura:



Quoting Christa:

I don't think anyone on here has said they were personally offended by this episode, I just think we have said that we can see why some might be.

And I could also see how some people would be offended if they did use Flea N N. Here’s a hypothetical for you. . Let’s say there was a character who came on Sesame Street who thought it was weird that Bert and Ernie (two men) spent so much time together and maybe they should live separately. I know that would bother many of you, even though at "face value" there's nothing wrong with what that character said. So take a step back and just try and see how this could offend some parents and let it be. We already know you disagree with the conservative values.





It's not hypothetical...it happened, years ago.  Sesame Street considered removing them or having them move apart.  That particular skit is a take on the odd couple...a sixties show about two roommates who were polar opposites.  Liberals laughed, nothing was done.





A character actually came onto the show and wanted Bert and Ernie to stop being roomies? I vaguely remember some peopley saying they were gay (which was a totally dumb comment--they're obviously, as you said Laura, a play off of the Odd Couple), but I didn't realize that movement (for lack of a better word) actually made it onto the show. Interesting.

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Quoting Christa:

I don't think anyone on here has said they were personally offended by this episode, I just think we have said that we can see why some might be.

And I could also see how some people would be offended if they did use Flea N N. Here’s a hypothetical for you. . Let’s say there was a character who came on Sesame Street who thought it was weird that Bert and Ernie (two men) spent so much time together and maybe they should live separately. I know that would bother many of you, even though at "face value" there's nothing wrong with what that character said. So take a step back and just try and see how this could offend some parents and let it be. We already know you disagree with the conservative values.


It's not hypothetical...it happened, years ago.  Sesame Street considered removing them or having them move apart.  That particular skit is a take on the odd couple...a sixties show about two roommates who were polar opposites.  Liberals laughed, nothing was done.

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Quoting Jenny:

I cannot BELIEVE this is an issue. Seriously, I want to slap everyone who thought this was "news" and made us talk about it in the first place. The adults are being RIDICULOUS in believing a show geared to 3-5 year olds is politically motivated. Especially with a liberal bias, with a Republican at the helm and numerous others on the board.

And the children couldn't give a rat's ass. They just want to sing along with Elmo and count with The Count. That is the most important part of the whole thing, those who are actually watching the show are not political. It is their crazy parents taking it WAY over the top.

Anyone who is offended because of a play on words needs to immediately wear a tinfoil hat in public on all occassions to warn the rest of us how thin skinned and delirious you are.



Jenny, my goodness, as Aime pointed out earlier, there's no need for swearing. As far as I know, you're not pregnant and hormonal, too...

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More importantly, do you think the audience for Sesame Street gives a hoot about what Fox News even is? NO.

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Quoting Jo:



Quoting Colleen:


Quoting Jo:
OHH I see so Fox news doesn't want to be associated with TRASHY news......? I guess I'll have to back off this one because most of what I have seen from Fox News is trash... so I still don't really see the issue.

It's kinda like that woman saying Baby Einstein is crap and Baby Einstein saying 'we know where we stand so we don't really care what you think' and leaving it at that. The only reason people get ridiculous over being called something 'bad' is if the implication actually has a valid point.

My point before though, is that; to a child, there is only political tones to anything if the parent decides there must be and when a child asks a question, the parent responds with a political answer!




Do you really not see why some people are upset? Some people see fox news as being a valuable news source. So to have some third party put it in their kids' heads that "pox news" (which, as already stated, sounds uncannily like "fox news") is trashy would be upsetting to some people.

And really, kids are not as dumb as you seem to be giving them credit for. They pick up on all sorts of things that we don't even realize. If kids are in the room while parents are watching the news or discussing politics, kids will pick up on it and understand what's going on. When I was teaching kindergarten I had a student ask me about Saddam Hussein (this was in 2005). By name. I mentioned to his mom that he was already showing an interest in politics and current events and she was shocked because they had never discussed anything of that nature with him.



I see why people are upset, I do NOT see the point of them getting upset though.

I know fine and well how smart kids are and what they pick up on. I also know that children don't automatically associate bad things together without a reason. For example - children will not see Pox News, think Fox News, and then think "Pox News is trashy news so Fox News is trashy news." Chances are that if a child sees POX NEWS, they will think CHICKEN POX before they think FOX NEWS, unles they are an older child.

Again, I will say this, the only reason children will associate something like Fox News is Trashy from Pox News, is if a parent tells them so, UNLESS they are obviously old enough to begin forming their own opinions. And in that case, if the parent has open communication with their child, that still would not be an issue.

That being said, it all goes back to talking to your children. Of course children pick up on things, duh, thanks there captain obvious, but children don't automatically associate bad 'qualities' to things unless they are told so. Oscar the Grouch, is a cranky grouchy character, but he's also a loved character. Parents need to stop putting their preconcieved notions into their childrens minds.

A 2 year old watching Sesame Street is going to laugh at the silly characters talking about silly things. A 5 year old will think about more than that. And it's the parents responsibility to explain it all, know what their children are watching, and keep their own agenda's in check when answering their childrens questions.

So again, it is only the parents that add a political meaning to childrens TV shows. Not the children. Therefore I do not see the reason for anyone to be upset.


Sorry for my late reply, my son had his belated birthday play date today.



Do you really not see how kids would hear "Pox News is trashy" and not associate it to "Fox News is trashy"?

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Colleen,
I asked because very few on the liberal side would have cared if it had been Flea NN.
It's a children's show, we would have laughed and moved on. Like our children would have. It's a simple thing to understand.
The ONLY reason this wasn't an issue back then is Fox was not in the spotlight the way it is now.
Seriously are their loads of people who do research to find any tiny bit of controversy JUST so they can make a hoopla? Are there not better things to do with their time? Like the actual news and issues? /:)
Leave the cartoons alone already.



I completely agree. Which is why I don't think it's that big of a deal. If there wasn't an outcry when it originally aired, it sort of invalidates the current outcry. Yet I can understand why, with the current political climate, people would be upset.



Sesame Street isn't a cartoon. ;-)

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Quoting Jo:

OHH I see so Fox news doesn't want to be associated with TRASHY news......? I guess I'll have to back off this one because most of what I have seen from Fox News is trash... so I still don't really see the issue.



It's kinda like that woman saying Baby Einstein is crap and Baby Einstein saying 'we know where we stand so we don't really care what you think' and leaving it at that. The only reason people get ridiculous over being called something 'bad' is if the implication actually has a valid point.



My point before though, is that; to a child, there is only political tones to anything if the parent decides there must be and when a child asks a question, the parent responds with a political answer!




Do you really not see why some people are upset? Some people see fox news as being a valuable news source. So to have some third party put it in their kids' heads that "pox news" (which, as already stated, sounds uncannily like "fox news") is trashy would be upsetting to some people.



And really, kids are not as dumb as you seem to be giving them credit for. They pick up on all sorts of things that we don't even realize. If kids are in the room while parents are watching the news or discussing politics, kids will pick up on it and understand what's going on. When I was teaching kindergarten I had a student ask me about Saddam Hussein (this was in 2005). By name. I mentioned to his mom that he was already showing an interest in politics and current events and she was shocked because they had never discussed anything of that nature with him.



I see why people are upset, I do NOT see the point of them getting upset though.



I know fine and well how smart kids are and what they pick up on. I also know that children don't automatically associate bad things together without a reason. For example - children will not see Pox News, think Fox News, and then think "Pox News is trashy news so Fox News is trashy news." Chances are that if a child sees POX NEWS, they will think CHICKEN POX before they think FOX NEWS, unles they are an older child.



Again, I will say this, the only reason children will associate something like Fox News is Trashy from Pox News, is if a parent tells them so, UNLESS they are obviously old enough to begin forming their own opinions. And in that case, if the parent has open communication with their child, that still would not be an issue.



That being said, it all goes back to talking to your children. Of course children pick up on things, duh, thanks there captain obvious, but children don't automatically associate bad 'qualities' to things unless they are told so. Oscar the Grouch, is a cranky grouchy character, but he's also a loved character. Parents need to stop putting their preconcieved notions into their childrens minds.



A 2 year old watching Sesame Street is going to laugh at the silly characters talking about silly things. A 5 year old will think about more than that. And it's the parents responsibility to explain it all, know what their children are watching, and keep their own agenda's in check when answering their childrens questions.



So again, it is only the parents that add a political meaning to childrens TV shows. Not the children. Therefore I do not see the reason for anyone to be upset.





Sorry for my late reply, my son had his belated birthday play date today.

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No I don't see how it's offensive. It's stating a fact that happens to all women when their pregnant. I've been there 4 times. Sorry if you took it that way, it wasn't meant as a jab.

I pointed out the swear word because it is one and most people don't swear unless they are upset. Well unless it's part of their normal converse, which you happen to never use any. Make sense now? /:)

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That's fine if that's how you choose to raise your kids, they are your kids and that is your right. 






 






I choose to give my values to my children because that is my job as a parent.  I am to raise them right and to be great people.  I've already said that as they get older and I'm convinced their values are intact I will allow them to broaden their horizons, but while they are young impressionable children I WILL censor what they see because I don't want them falling victim to some of the crap that is spewed.  They need to be able to decide what is or is not ok and the only way for them to do that is for me to teach them what is right in the beginning.  You choose to censor for violence, language and adult content and I do as well, but I also censor for misplaced values.  Like I've said a million times we have different values so what I choose to censor my child from you may not see anything wrong with, but I do.  They are my kids so why the hell do you care what I censor them from?






 





Right there you swore.



And my children are 9 yrs, 5 yrs, 2 yrs, and 7 months.



Also, Stating a fact that pregnant women are hormonal and prone to outbursts has nothing to do with feminism.

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Christa there is no need for swearing. I haven't sworn. Try to keep it together. I understand your pregnant and hormonal but there is no need for that.

The difference is that my children are not getting their sole education from me, they are getting it everywhere. They still know to come to me and talk to me about it. They still know what is right and wrong. Mine just have broader horizons younger because I trust them. I don't fear that they are going down the wrong path because I KNOW they aren't. It can all be done at the same time whilst they are growing up. I do not need to raise close minded children and then open their horizons to other avenues. Their minds won't be very open and accepting that way.

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