Things that make you go "Hmmmm"...

Sara - posted on 07/22/2009 ( 53 moms have responded )

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This is an blurb from my CONSERVATIVE hometown newspaper...



Palin implicated in ethics probe



Updated: July 21, 2009 04:33 PM EDT



Anchorage, Alaska - An independent investigator has found evidence that Gov. Sarah Palin may have violated ethics laws by accepting private donations to pay her legal debts.



The report obtained by The Associated Press says Palin is securing unwarranted benefits and receiving improper gifts through the Alaska Fund Trust, set up by supporters.



An investigator for the state Personnel Board says in his July 14 report that there is probable cause to believe Palin used or attempted to use her official position for personal gain because she authorized the creation of the trust as the "official" legal defense fund.



The fund aims to help Palin pay off debts stemming from multiple ethics complaints against her, most of which have been dismissed. Palin says she owes more than $500,000 in legal fees.



A call seeking comment from her lawyer was not immediately returned.



Hmm...

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Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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Considering you say we came from monkeys, there is proof right there that you don't understand the theory. no "scientist" would ever say that. It would be more accurate to say primates evolved from a common ancestor that does not currently exist. Whales and cows also evolved from a common ancestor which is apparent in thier common skeletal structure. Whales still have hip bones.





Sorry, but you are nowhere near a scientist unless you are referrring to theology. Didn't you say you were singer?

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Traci - posted on 07/26/2009

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Jenny...are you one of those who complains about Christmas parties at school? Please, tell me you're not... :)



I know we used to love them and by the time my little brothers and sisters came along, they changed "Christmas Parties" to "Winter Events"...oh did that tick me off...

Traci - posted on 07/26/2009

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Sorry I hit a soft spot, there, Joy. I was just pointing something out--not that big of a deal! Didn't think you'd take so much offense to it! My bad :) Yes, that's what the privacy settings are designed for... :)

Jenny - posted on 07/26/2009

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They are not to be even considered in the same train of thought. It would be a gross injustice to our students to not teach evolution as part of science curriculum. Your creation theory belongs in your church, not science class.

Christa - posted on 07/26/2009

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That is why I said either both or neither. Remove evolution from the core curriculum and make it an elective.

JL - posted on 07/26/2009

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When I am having a convoseration with someone on my..MY HOMEPAGE..that is not with you then don't bring it up over here or anywhere else. I jokingly say crap on MY HOMEPAGE with MY FREINDS and half the time they know it is not meant to be taken seriously and usually the convo is an extension of some private convos so you do not know the whole talk that has been going on and what it is all about so don't assume because you read a snippet of it on my homepage or one of my freinds homepage that you know whether we are being sincere or bullshitting with eachother. I will block my page because it is not in my opinion meant for people to troll around on. Because reading things taking out of convos you are not part of and using them on here to start shit is what trolling is all about. I will change my settings.. and I have never gone on anyones page who is not on my freinds list..thank you, because if there was a convo meant for me to read I am sure it would be posted directly to me on my page.

Jenny - posted on 07/26/2009

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It is certainly a choice to follow a religion. I would be raising major hell if any parent tried to bring thier beleifs into a public classroom especially into a science class. Religion has no business in the classroom beyond a religious studies course. There are more than a few private schools for studying creationism for those who are so inclined.

Christa - posted on 07/26/2009

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Jenny there is actually a lot of proof and there are more then 3-4 people who don't agree with the theory of evolution. If you would like to educate yourself there is a man named Lee Strobel, he was a journalist for the Chicago Tribune and a strong Atheist. He decided to do some research into Christ and spent two years doing major research. At the end he has become a Christian and has written many books documenting his findings. The nice thing about his books is he puts footnotes referenceing where he found his facts. So if you really want to get into it you can follow his findings. I would recommend you starting with the Case for a Creator. I'm am not just blindly following some "fictional book", there is a lot of scientific and historical evidence that supports the claims of the bible. Obviously it can't be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, but like Tracy pointed out you can prove that he doesn't exist with 100% certainity. I'm done with this discussion because we could go round and round, but if you open your eyes you will see there is scientific fact out there. It's your choice.

ME - posted on 07/26/2009

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I actually think it is the "ultimate in arrogance" to claim that you (or any other human being) knows what God is thinking, or what God wants, or what God intends for God's creation. I certainly don't think abandoning rationality proves ones love for or faith in God. I think claiming that scientific evidence is a deceptive ploy of Satan is about as rational as faith in a family of gods living on top of a mountain in Greece, hurling thunderbolts at us out of clouds...I love mythology, I enjoy the way that the study of ancient cultures and their religious beliefs helps me to understand history as well as contemporary culture...but teaching mythology as science is destructive...and I would be pleased if my child were not forced to participate in such a deception. I will not be sending him to private religious school because I know how destructive their avoidance of science can be. Those schools exist, however, for those who believe that mythology and science are one in the same; the choice should be a personal one, and not forced on everyone.

Traci - posted on 07/26/2009

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I was going to write something, but this is silly. We could go round and round all day long on this. I guess we'll find out in er, say 60-80 years, eh? lol

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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If the evidence presents itself I'll be the first to change my mind. Until that time I will remain a staunch athiest. I form my opinions on facts, not beliefs. It's not " I believe there is no god" it is "The facts do not suppport the idea that a god exists".

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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What I don't get is how you can say for certain that there is no God. You don't know for certain, that's where your faith that there is no God lies. It is a belief system. A belief in no God. To say one knows for certain that there is no God is the ultimate in arrogance.



You can say, I do not believe in a God, but isn't that the same as faith? The very definition of faith is a firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Nobody can prove that there is no God, just as I cannot prove that there is.



Now we're getting all philosophical. LOL ;)

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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That's true Christa, there are three or four others. I do not take any scientist with faith seriously, faith has no evidence which is the basis of the scientific method. And to clarify it is not your skill as a scientist I question, but your faith. Have you read Dawkins' The God Delusion?

What don't you get about being athiest Traci? Do you believe in Thor? Well that's how I feel about any god, lack of evidence. It is not a belief system.

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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That's what I don't get about athiests. Agnostic, sure. But athiest? Unless, maybe it's a different kind of faith...the faith that there is nothing more. I guess that would be the only way to explain it.



A microbiologist can believe in creationism. Nobody knows for sure how we got here. You don't know, I don't know, the most educated, brightest thinker in the world doesn't know for sure...we can only have faith. Whether you believe it to be rational or not is a different story.



Oh! And Joy...if you don't want people bringing up stuff you posted earlier, then do it privately:) LOL It's not trolling to look at other's pages, that's what they are there for, silly! LOL

Christa - posted on 07/25/2009

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You know what Jenny, maybe it's because I AM a microbiologist which means I have a much better understanding of these organisms then you ever will. I'm not the only scientist who doesn't believe in the theory of evolution. Like I said do some research before you start spouting off about how it doesn't make any sense and how it makes me irrational.

Christa - posted on 07/25/2009

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I'm done with this. You need to take a science class. You are right some theories are considered fact because all the evidence leads that way, but evolution is not one of them. Like I said there are many facts that poke holes in this theory and they are not based on the bible. I don't have a quick reference to the facts, but if you look into it you will find them.

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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What Christa is saying is semantics. For a microbioligist to be a creationist says to me she is lying to herself about something. How you reconcile the knowledge with what occurs in organisms at that level with a fictional story book and pass it off as science is something I cannot accept as rational.

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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Well, "gravitational theory" is our explanation of the phenomenon we know as gravity.



It is a law of gravity that if you drop an object, it will fall to the ground, but it is Gravitational Theory that explains how and why this occurs.



Gravity is a law, but we understand and explain it through a theory. It is both.

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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EVERYTHING is theory backed by what the prominent evidence supports. Gravity is a theory, would like to dispute that too?

Christa - posted on 07/25/2009

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No Jenny, I was speaking in general terms because I figured most people know what evolution is, but I'm not a singer I'm a microbiologist. So I am indeed a scientist, but thanks for assuming I'm making things up for arguments sake. If you'd like a copy of my degree I'd be happy to show you. ;-) Like I said do some more research and you will see why it is a theory, which by definition means it can not be proven.

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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Joy, I once saw you post to someone's wall and I'll quote, "I hate Sarah Palin, too." LOL it's cool...you were probably just venting or something... :)



I know there is a lot of blind hatred towards Obama, all the internet rumors and stuff. I totally get that...and I totally disagree with it as well. I don't hate him, never have. I cannot stand his political ideals is all. I think both sides are equally guilty of that...but Sarah Palin doesn't have any power and cannot change your life in any real way...the same cannot be said for Obama.

JL - posted on 07/25/2009

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Well I don't hate Sarah Palin...I don't care for her and I cannot stand her political ideals but I think it is funny how hypocritical it is to point fingers at Liberals when I have read so much conservative blind hatrid and disgust toward Obama.

Christa - posted on 07/25/2009

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I'm sorry Jenny but you are confused. Evolution is NOT fact, adaptation is. They are two very different things. The theory of evolution is about all life starting from a single celled organism and then over millions of years changing into what we have today. The idea that we came from monkeys, this is just a theory and there is a lot of scientific proof that pokes holes in this theory. Adaptation is a species ability to conform in order to survive, that absolutely is fact and no one would deny this. So please do a little research. Also there is historical fact that supports the claims of the bible as well. This is why they are both theories and should be given the same weight, either both or neither.



Like I said I am a scientist and the only time I have ever needed to know the theory of evolution is for the test, therefore it needs to be an elective course. It is not needed to understand all the other parts of science.

Christa - posted on 07/25/2009

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I'm sorry Jenny but you are confused. Evolution is NOT fact, adaptation is. They are two very different things. The theory of evolution is about all life starting from a single celled organism and then over millions of years changing into what we have today. The idea that we came from monkeys, this is just a theory and there is a lot of scientific proof that pokes holes in this theory. Adaptation is a species ability to conform in order to survive, that absolutely is fact and no one would deny this. So please do a little research. Also there is historical fact that supports the claims of the bible as well. This is why they are both theories and should be given the same weight, either both or neither.



Like I said I am a scientist and the only time I have ever needed to know the theory of evolution is for the test, therefore it needs to be an elective course. It is not needed to understand all the other parts of science.

ME - posted on 07/25/2009

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I have nothing against teaching world religions as a seperate course. I think that would be a great way to help our children understand other cultures, but it has no place in a science classroom. I went to Catholic school most of my life. I had to struggle with real science once I got into public high school my junior year, and college science was even more difficult. Our country is already behind much of the rest of the world in Math and Science, why would we want to make things worse for our children?

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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Evolution is a fact, i will not take anyone seriously who disagrees with that. Sorry Christians but there is a Nylon eating bacteria that did not have the capacity to digest the material that did not exist prior to the 1900's. The bacteria EVOLVED to consume it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eatin... Christa, children need to be taught science and evolution is a major part of that. If you want bible based teaching then private school is the way to go.



Fiction has no place in our classrooms except in English class. Teaching of religion is to remain in the home and the seperation of church was made quite clear by your founding fathers.



Tracie, I'm with you on the global warming topic. I do think we are screwing up our environment and need to change our wasting wasys drastically but the CO2 levels I'm not so sure aren't cylical.

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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No she doesn't! THat is a lie. She supports the DISCUSSION of creationism in classrooms (READ: she won't freak and file a lawsuit if someone happens to utter the word God or Jesus within the hallway of a school! Heaven forbid any kid should doodle a cross on his notebook!), but is NOT IN FAVOR OF TEACHING it!!! What a damn lie...



She doesn't believe on experiementing on human embryos...ooooh what a witch! Somebody with some actual values...we can't go having any of those around! What! She thinks an embryo has more value than just medical waste? What!?! I bet you're glad you weren't donated to science, aren't you?



Yeah, and the whole global warming thing...please don't tell me you still buy that. Well, there's a few different parts of it...



is it really happening? (still up for debate--sorry Al!)

are we causing it? (who the hell knows?)

can we reverse it?



It's funny...remember how they stopped using all that styrofoam and CFC's because it was putting a hole in the ozone? Well, now they are saying the chemicals we are using IN PLACE of the CFC's are doing more damage!!! You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't! Are we all supposed to go live in the woods like a bunch of tree people? No, not everyone...just us commoners. They still get to drive their motorcades and private jets. They are important, you know! ;)

Christa - posted on 07/25/2009

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On the science, Evolution is just a theory, just as creationism is a theory. I actually think it should be taken out of curriculum, because as a scientist I hated having to learn and be tested on a theory that disagrees with my theory. I do think they should teach them both or not at all. There is no need for the theory of evolution in science; it doesn't affect how modern day scientists do their jobs. It could be provided as an elective for those who are interested in it. I also am against stem cell research as are MOST conservatives. And we were never picking her to lead the country, just be #2. I don't understand why there is so much hatred for this woman.

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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Traci, I may be liberal minded but the only political party I'd represent is Direct Democracy.



I am not an Obama supporter. I think he's great but I do not think ANYONE can affect real change. It's the system that is the problem, not the heads of state.

ME - posted on 07/25/2009

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She believes that religion should be taught in science classes, she thinks that funding genetic experiments is a joke, she thinks that Darwinism is a mistaken theory, she fights against stem cell research, and yes she thinks that global warming is something that should be followed by "lol"...her brilliance is overwhelming....

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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What is nice about the president getting hate mail? I fail to see what is positive about that....



Those people are just as crazy as the ones who say they hate anyone, be it a politician or otherwise! I haven't agreed with one damn thing he's done since he's been in, I think he is doing some awful things, but I would never say I hate the man. That is just weird.



The anti-science thing...what are you referring to? *please let it not be global warming* lol



It's funny you should mention them represting the people and not their agendas, Jenny....agenda and not people is all he's been doing for since he's been in.

ME - posted on 07/25/2009

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I don't hate SP...I just can't stomach the idea of her being the leader of the free world...plus...there are millions of people out there sending hate mail to our president and some threatening his life, all of whom have never met him...so...we've got that going for us, which is nice...

Jenny - posted on 07/25/2009

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Not the woman, what she represents and believes in. Do you really want someone to run your country who is as smart as you? A head of state needs to be well educated, well travelled, has a clear understanding of the seperation of church and state and is able to govern by what the constituents want among other things. They are there to represent the people, not their agendas. It was clear Sarah Palin did not meet those standards.

Traci - posted on 07/25/2009

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Okay, guys...we get it. You hate Sarah Palin. You've made your point. You hate a woman you've never met and probably will never meet who has done nothing to effect you in any sort of a real way. That is lovely. I don't understand how you come to hate someone you don't even know, but that's cool. I hope you come to get a handle on those feelings. Good luck with that.

ME - posted on 07/25/2009

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Right...Those Oil CO's are struggling SO much right now...great debate!!! As for the Alaska National Parks and Rocky Mtn National Park, if you can see no other "use" for these beautiful areas of our country than destroying them for the production of oil when there are alternatives available, then we'll just do what we always do here..and "agree to disagree"...



As for SP...running a small community in Alaska, and being the gov. of that sate for a few months is absolutely enough experience to run the country...you are so right (gag)...any knowledge of foriegn affairs, or of anything other than moose-dressing is certainly not important for the president of the united states. This woman knew nothing about the world, or about our country outside of her tiny alaska life. In addition to that, she holds terrifying beliefs and values that she would like to impose on everyone she governs; the most upsetting of which would have been a continued attack on science. Her lack of political knowledge and experience were overwhelming!!!

Maleasha - posted on 07/24/2009

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Wow Mary if you were about to drop a bombshell in this debate, I believe you missed your window of opportunity.



Great job Traci!! Your sure have a knack for debating.

Kelly - posted on 07/24/2009

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Traci, Bravo! I am also very sick of the continued attacks on Sarah Palin. At least she has EXECUTIVE experience, which in my mind makes her 10 times more qualified out of the gate than Obama. She consistantly had an 80%+ approval rating in Alaska when she was Gov. which shows she was doing something right. And what foreign policy experience does Obama have exactly? I guess you could count a foreign father as experience......... he sure hasn't shown to date that he is qualified with the faux pas he has been making...... The bottom line is that she was running for VP, not the big seat, and she still has better qualifications than the man who got elected.



On a side note- My husband works on oil and gas rigs, and when they are done they leave a MAYBE 100 sq. ft. cement pad, not really a huge environmental impact. There are also tons of animals at the rig sites when they drill, they know that they are safe there (no hunting allowed) and it is warm in the winter.

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Ha ha! Traci, I couldn't have said things better myself. I believe you and I are on the same wavelength. ;)

As for Palin, the reason they don't leave her alone is because she stands for EVERYTHING that liberals are against. They know she has clout with the conservatives and will do anything to TRY and discredit her.

Traci - posted on 07/24/2009

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It most certainly has!!! Why the hell do you think we haven't built any new refineries in decades!!! Why can't we drill in places we KNOW have oil? Why do you think they aren't building turbines all over the US? Why do you think much of the "shovel ready" projects in the stimulus bill haven't even been started yet!!! try again...

ME - posted on 07/24/2009

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Good luck getting those power plants built, and the wind turbines. The environmentalists aren't gonna let it happen...they interfere with the mating habits of the desert squirrels, you know...



Environmental destruction hasn't stopped the oil companies, even tho the environmentalists fight them tooth and nail...try again...

Christa - posted on 07/23/2009

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I forgot this was supposed to be about Palin, we will see what the result is of this latest accusation, but I'm far more concerned with what's going on by the people currently in the white house then what somebody who may or may not run in 2012 is doing.

Christa - posted on 07/23/2009

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Actually I believe Obama keeps pushing off releasing the final budget. He says he's not hiding anything, then what is he waiting for? It's basic math people he has spent more in the last 8 months then Bush did is 8 years. And he wants to spend MORE on this healthcare plan of his. Inflation is coming and it's going to hit hard, interest rates are going to go through the roof. It's basic economics. It did the same thing in the 80's and this will be much worse then that.

Traci - posted on 07/22/2009

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No, it doesn't make sense to borrow money from China in order to get out of bankruptcy. Or printing money. Unless, they WANT inflation. When you have nothing but debt, inflation is a good thing, it means your debt isn't so bad! When you have wealth, inflation is bad because it means you worked so hard but have less. Of course it's more complicated than that, but that's pretty much the gist of it.



Good luck getting those power plants built, and the wind turbines. The environmentalists aren't gonna let it happen...they interfere with the mating habits of the desert squirrels, you know...



a little bit of debt, sure. Our current situation is suicide. We're on the hook for 24 TRILLION with TARP. Unfunded entitlements are somewhere in the vicinity of 53 TRILLION. But we have to spend more money....I don't know how they can say that with a straight face...

ME - posted on 07/22/2009

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I believe that Fed budget reduces spending by 2.2 Trill over the next 10 years, and yes, change costs money, and can also save money in the long run...for instance, by building power plants that run on wind, solar, etc...and by changing our dependence on foriegn oil...spend money to save money...makes sense to me...Alaska is Russia's neighbor so I have foriegn policy experience...not so much...

Traci - posted on 07/22/2009

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Insane. heh. I would say insane would be



"We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation,” Biden said.



“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that's what I’m telling you.”



The only way to get out of debt is to have MORE debt??? We are living in the story "Alice in Wonderland" everybody! That's insanity!!! Sara doesn't have anything on Joe!

ME - posted on 07/22/2009

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I'm afraid of her because she is insane, and a lot of conservatives seem to think she is a genious, or a saint, or a good politician even...unfortunately, there are a lot of conservatives out there who vote...they get to support her even tho she is terrible for our country...hmmm...



Plus...I don't think any democrats forced her to pose in a track suit and call out Pres. Obama...just a thought...

Traci - posted on 07/22/2009

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Well, if they do FINALLY get something on her, maybe they'll finally leave her the hell alone already. She's only been cleared of HOW many ethics violations now? Throw enough spaghetti at the wall and one piece is bound to stick, right?



I think the thing that really makes us go "Hmm...." is the fact that these people are so utterly obsessed with her. I mean, if she's so dumb and such a non-issue, then why, after her being out of nat'l politics for 8 months now, do they continue to hound her and file complaint after complaint after complaint? Why are they still trying to destroy her if she is no threat? I don't think there has ever been a losing VP nominee that has continued to be in the news 8 months after they had lost.



If dems are so sure about their guy, BO, you shouldn't be giving a great big PHEW! that she might not run again, you should be rejoicing that she would be looking to run in 2012, right? I mean, he's already beat her once, what do you have to be afraid of? Unless, of course, you don't have faith in your guy.....

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