You sure this is the guy to be leading the Tea Parties? /:)

Amie - posted on 09/16/2009 ( 32 moms have responded )

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Read the article.
Watch the video.

Mark Williams needs to keep his mouth shut or (at the very least) think before he speaks when speaking on behalf of a group of people.

He's not anyone I would want speaking for me.
COMPLETELY undermines what republicans are trying to do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15...

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Amie - posted on 09/18/2009

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Quoting Gina:

Well you are entitled to your own way of thinking. The pesticides they spray on fields make it so that we can grow good food without being infested with bugs, and the use of ddt actually got rid of the malaria epidemic. Without that more people would have ended up dying of malaria. Now they have banned it, lucky for us after they got a handle on malaria.

As far as the American Indians, I don't think that was fair either, but our govt has been handing them money for generations now. In my opinion it hasn't turned out well for them, because whenever people are handed money they don't earn, they don't know how to spend it wisely. They have spent it in a matter of weeks on beer and other things, causing widespread alcohol abuse on the reservations. It is just a no win situation. Like I said, racism isn't fair and never has been. I don't see why we need to be punished for past mistakes. In fact, my family roots didn't come to America until the late 1800's. So I don't see how you could even make it fair to use reparations.


I am of Native descent here in Canada. I am half German, half cree. That is totally and completely offensive.



Not all natives are alcoholics. Not all of them spend their money unwisely. Do some of them? Yes of course they do. So do some of every race.



Their schools are lacking because they are often in remote areas. Some have the luxury of being near big urban centers but not all. So if their schools are lacking they are not getting the education they deserve.



They are at a disadvantage still to this day because of that and more reasons. It is not a punishment to correct a wrong done. It is an on going process that will take years yet to fix. Our government is making strides to get there. The chiefs and their tribunals who do abuse the funding given them are starting to be dealt with. They are trying to make it better so the issue can be laid to rest.



It was not that long ago that these horrors that Natives had to endure were done. Here the last residential school was closed in the 60's. My grandmother was forced to go to one. All that was done to the native people and their culture started when Europeans first came here until 50ish years ago.  Plus the vampant racism that still goes on.

Isobel - posted on 09/17/2009

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well, I am a little different, I have friends that are pro-life, libertarians, religious, even *gasp* republican. Even though I am none of those things, I still see value in their existence, and choose to associate with lots of people that are different than I am...I think it's part of learning and growing as a human being to accept those that are different from me.

Isobel - posted on 09/17/2009

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I sure hope you don't know anybody who is a racist...by your logic, so are you

Amie - posted on 09/18/2009

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Gina,
It is not inappropriate to be obervant. What is inappropriate is using a blanket term to describe all people of one race. Which this sentence of yours seems to do :
"They have spent it in a matter of weeks on beer and other things, causing widespread alcohol abuse on the reservations."

While statistics are facts that can't be ignored you just need to word things better. If you had said " The majority where I live have alcohol problems and abuse the monies given them." That would be have a correct statement we could have accepted.

Do you see the difference and why we were upset?

Amie - posted on 09/18/2009

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No one called you a racist. They said you were offensive.
I have lived around reserves. The one my mom came off of we visited regularly. There were 3 others within a half hour drive of my hometown.

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Dana - posted on 09/18/2009

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A simple, Amie I'm sorry for offending you would be nice....
Have we really gone so far as to not recognize when we are wrong?

Jenny - posted on 09/18/2009

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I work in the middle of a reservation. They are some of the richest people in our town as they have worked hard and made something out of themselves. My cousin in law is native and he made head painter at his bodyshop at age 25 and paid for all his schooling himself. I found it offensive as well.

Isobel - posted on 09/18/2009

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I can almost hear the way you say "you canadian women" I swear I can almost see your facial expression...you do realize that that's not an insult right?... ;P

Isobel - posted on 09/18/2009

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I would leave too, with my tail between my legs...being naive is no excuse

Isobel - posted on 09/18/2009

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I agree too, that was pretty ignorant. (and I'm not a native, just a decent human being).

As for Van Jones, I believe that you would have been more receptive, perhaps, if he had stated that pollution was allowed to spread over areas where the population had no political power, no money, and no voice (those areas just happen to be populated with black people) which, of course, is a coincidence. PLUS...calling someone a racist does not make YOU a racist!

and as for us Canadians not understanding rights and freedoms...I can't even answer to that (my government doesn't allow me to)

Dana - posted on 09/18/2009

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Quoting Mary:

I'm offended as well, and I am not a Native American. That was a horrible thing to say, and if I was the flagging type, I would have flagged what you said.



Agreed!!

ME - posted on 09/18/2009

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I'm offended as well, and I am not a Native American. That was a horrible thing to say, and if I was the flagging type, I would have flagged what you said.

Amie - posted on 09/17/2009

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You might want to actually check your own facts before posting things like that video. If you want to be taken seriously make sure you know what you're posting.

That sound bite video does not do justice for what he was actually talking about. That little blurb was a statement he made about things that had happened in the mid-80's.

Here is the question and answer:

DR: Are there reasons to be hopeful?

VJ: The reason you can be hopeful at this point is that we’re entering a fourth wave of environmentalism in the United States. First, obviously, you had the Native Americans who were great stewards here, and you didn’t need environmentalism when they were in charge for thousands of years. But, there was an invasion and suddenly, you need environmentalism. The opening advent of environmentalism is conservationism, it’s Teddy Roosevelt, you have that wave. Then you have a second wave, which was Rachel Carson and Silent Spring, it was conservation plus regulation of those toxics and things that would harm human species as well as non-human species. It wasn’t just conserving what we have but also regulating this new industrialism. The problem with that second wave of environmentalism, for all its’ heroic accomplishments, it had a negative outcome. That negative outcome was that, at the end of the day there was no outcome because there was no racial analysis. White environmentalists and white polluters eventually wound up steering toxics into communities of color and increasing the toxic burden for people of color, which created a third wave of environmentalism, the environmental justice movement. This says, we don’t think that we need to have an environmentalism that forces people of color to bear the burden, that there should be either no toxic burden or at least an equally shared toxic burden. That became a powerful cry in the mid-80s. Now we’re entering a fourth wave of environmentalism. That fourth wave says, conservation – yes, plus regulating the bad – yes, plus investing in the good. There’s a new environmentalism now that’s solution-based, market-driven, that says, let’s invest in solar, let’s invest in hydrogen, let’s invest in permaculture, let’s invest in organic, let’s invest in high-performance buildings, let’s invest in the solution side of environmental consciousness.

So out of his entire answer 3 sentences were taken and skewed. Republicans got all up in arms, yet again, over frivolous crap that wasn't really at all what he was talking about. Bravo!

Here is the link to the text of the interview.
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/transcr...

Isobel - posted on 09/17/2009

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again...i asked about obama, not van jones...and reparations are not racist they are the VERY LEAST that America owes the descendants of the slaves that built your country and allowed it to become one of the wealthiest on the planet. (but that's a topic for another thread) AND I don't think I've seen anything (even from the republican camp) that would lead me to believe that van jones was racist...he's a communist! (not that I think there's anything wrong with that)

Amie - posted on 09/17/2009

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Right because Obama doesn't have a working brain of his own. He just goes off of everything his preacher says....

Wait a minute! I thought he was a muslim? What's he doing in a Christian church?

Maleasha - posted on 09/17/2009

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You can tell alot about a person by who they choose to associate with. If he doesn't believe in what Wright was preaching, then why did he choose to attend his services? And Laura, I know plenty of people who are racist, and I choose not to associate with them, because I don't agree with their views.

Dana - posted on 09/17/2009

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Quoting Maleasha:

And the definition that you put up explains that a thug is a robber. Well Obama is trying to rob us of our rights, so, yes, he would then be a thug.



Oh, so original.  How did I know that SOMEONE was gonna say that....

Amie - posted on 09/17/2009

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Because he knows and has associated with a racist that means he's a racist?

Honestly these lines of reasons are just so far out there it's completely laughable. I have a racist friend too doesn't mean I am one. We actually argue about it quite a bit whenever I hear him open his mouths and say something stupid.

Maleasha - posted on 09/17/2009

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Why don't we start with Rev. Wright? Obama chose to associate himself with a known racist. That has to say something about him. Or would you much rather call Wright eccentric?

Amie - posted on 09/17/2009

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The point behind me posting this is that no one with half a brain is going to take anything anyone has to say seriously if they can not put forth their opposition in an intelligent manner.
Like really? The best he could do is Obama is an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief". His points would have been taken a lot more seriously and people would actually have listened if he wouldn't have said things like that. Instead everyone with half a brain was laughing to hard to listen to his reasons behind the tea parties.

Maleasha - posted on 09/17/2009

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And the definition that you put up explains that a thug is a robber. Well Obama is trying to rob us of our rights, so, yes, he would then be a thug.

Maleasha - posted on 09/17/2009

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That's the formal definition of thug. There are plenty of words out there that people use differently then what it's definition is. It's called slang. Some people may use these words in a racist way, but there are plenty of people on both sides of the isle that I would consider a thug.

Traci - posted on 09/17/2009

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All right, all my little Jimmy Carters....

You know what, get off it already! It's not "code word" for the N word. Gore Vidal called President Bush a thug, among many other libs. I didn't know Bush was part black. I guess he must be according to your idea of the word.

It's funny, I would call Axelrod, Emmanuel, Mayor Daley, and Dick Durbin members of the same "thug" group that I lump Obama in with. I guess they must be black, too.

You guys are so ridiculous. Where I come from that has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the THUG like tactics they use.

Isobel - posted on 09/17/2009

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and in today's common language, it is closely aligned with the black community

Dana - posted on 09/17/2009

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Traci, that's the second time I've heard you call the President a thug. Where I come from that is a racist remark. Maybe you don't mean it that way. I pulled up the definition for you, so you DO know what you're saying.







–noun 1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.

Traci - posted on 09/17/2009

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FIrst of all, I've never even heard of Mark Williams. Who is he? I agree, but I wouldn't say he's undermining what REPUBLICANS are trying to do. All the tea party people are not R's, they're Americans. R....D....and I. The tea party movement is a bunch of people who are SICK of the so called poor being taken care of and the rich being taken care of by the government through their tax dollars. They are sick of the corruption, sick of the lies, sick of the lack of responsibility and accountability.

I don't agree with what he said, however I wouldn't use Indonesian or Muslim to describe the prez....that's silly, but welfare, yes, he's all for it and thinks the more the merrier. Thug? Absolutely! He and his people are nothing but Chicago style thugs, where's the surprise?

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That's amazing! I wish Anderson Cooper had REALLY let him have it...and the conservatives wonder why there are accusations of racism flying around. "Indonesian, Muslim, Welfare, Thug" None of those things describes our president, and IF he were an Indonesian-Muslim AMERICAN, what difference would that make exactly??? This "man" is disugusting, and I would be embarrassed to have him speaking on my behalf as well!

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