I would never have an abortion myself but I'm pro-choice . . .

Kathy - posted on 02/02/2013

The human brain contains certain structures and neurons that allow us to learn complex social behaviors making us a unique species. Our minds allow us to change the world (for the better, hopefully)! No other animal is capable of curing diseases or drastically change the carrying capacity.
Here is a cool TED talk about the neurons that shaped civilization
http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran...

Brittany - posted on 11/20/2010

I then ask them, "Oh so if you wittnessed a homicide you would just look the other way? After all it's none of your business."

Leota - posted on 05/13/2010

Rachel, I also had a baby at 16. My thought was - I layed down for this and it is my responsibility to raise the child. This baby, who could have been aborted, is a mom of 2, grand mom of 2, with a 3rd grandchild on the way. Her daughters were raised to believe in the sanctity of life.

Rachel - posted on 02/25/2010

I am the mother of 2 children. They each have a different father and are 12 years apart. Both times, the father of the child tried to force me into abortion. The first time, I was 16 years old and pregnant. The 2nd time, I was 28 and married. It was a horrible feeling to know the man who helped you make the baby was trying to force you into killing it. I ended up with a child with low birth weight (I had her 5 days after turning 17) and the second time my son was born at 34 weeks because of the hell the father put me through for having him.
Despite all the abuse and emotions I went through, I knew (even at age 16!) that abortion was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. My soul told me that there is no way on earth I could ever kill my unborn child who was part of me. It would be like killing myself. I embraced the life within and in fact the baby was the thing that kept me going through the darkest times.
To this day, there are perhaps a handful of cases where I would agree abortion is necessary (such as in cases where the mother really could die or in the case the fetus would no way survive..) but even then that is a touchy subject. I have a friend who had an anencephalic baby and despite the emotional rollercoaster, decided to give her child the chance at life..her sweet little girl lived almost 3 months when doctors said there would be no way. Those are 3 months of joy that the mother would never have known and she never regretted her decision despite opposition.
I do my best to be non judgmental, but if I can't stand up for our most helpless human beings, how could I live with myself?
I think more programs need to be instituted to help confused mothers (especially teens who are most vulnerable) to help them at least choose adoption, to give the life inside a chance to be a person that could change the world.
My 15 year old is now almost the same age as I was when I got pregnant. Looking at her, I just cannot ever imagine how my life would be had I given in to her dad's demands. I get a catch in my throat thinking about it. Same goes for my son, my wonderful little 3 year old. These are my miracles.

Hope - posted on 02/15/2010

Personally I just say that the child has a voice also, and who is fighting for him/her?
For me its an easy choice, now I understand that there is the hook for most. "Choice"
but in the end when I lay my head down.. I always wonder why people feel that the baby doesn't get that same freedom of "choice".

Nellie - posted on 01/08/2010

Sarah thax for sharing!!

It's all basic Common Sense..."Thou shall not Kill!!

Sarah - posted on 01/01/2010

I appreciate the women who have brought up the civil rights issue. Right now their seems to be a bit of debate about topics like euthanasia and assisted suicide. Why is it that life is only life if it can be catagorized by age, or usefullness, or ability to speak up for themselves? I personally am anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-abortion, and against anything else that would take a human life. I belive that human life is sacred and no one has the right to take it. And I truly belive that until all people (even those unable to speak for themselves) have the right to life than we are a perverse and hypocrital nation. Everyone wants to pat themselves on the back because we have affirmative action, and minority incentive programs a mile high in this country, but its nothing more than a facade if we are killing the unborn.

As far as the muder issue, I understand that there are people who do not belive it is life and so would not call it murder. I personallly look at "to kill" and "to murder" as slightly different. I think that taking another's life is wrong, but if someone were threatening my children there would be no question in my mind that I would do whatever was nessesary to defend my children. I think that in matters of self-defense "killing" is the appropriate term. However murder implies something much more. It means fore-thought and motive. To cold-bloodedly take the life of a being that can not defend itself is without question-murder.

In addition to all of this, I understand how a young girl who is very early in a pregnancy can be bullied into believing that the child is not alive. Where I have the biggest problem, and the least understanding for people, is with women who are having late term abortions, or, even worse, are aborting after having previously given birth to a child. I absolutely do not belive that those women don't know that there is a life inside of them. I am a few days away from delivering my third child, and with all of my pregnancies I began feeling the baby at 16 weeks. By 22 weeks I was starting to get to know their personalities (who was a kicker, who was sucking their thumb...). So all of that to say I do have compassion on those who have been fooled by ignorant clinic workers, and companies looking to make money, but it has been my experience that most women know they are carrying a life and are too selfish to care. That makes it murder.

Shawna - posted on 05/11/2009

My response is that, if someone kills someone any other time, it is considered murder, and they are punished, so the same should be done for those who kill unborn babies. We are expected to follow laws, which is someone making a choice for us, so why isn't it ok to tell a women that abortion is not her choice? A speed limit is someone taking your choice of how fast to go, so there is no reason why the law should be any different with taking the choice of abortion away.

Rose - posted on 05/04/2009

Even if someone does not believe in God, abortion goes against nature.

Stasia - posted on 05/02/2009

Although I see your point clearly, If you ever call abortion "murder" to a pro choicer they will immediately stop listening. I used to be pro choice and the reason I was pro life was because I didn't believe that abortion was murder. Anyone who believes in pro choice will see this the same and will just roll their eyes. When I would meet someone who was pro life, if they had valid points I would listen but as soon as the "M" word came out I'd stop hearing them because it just sounded so dramatic. It is an emotional plea to an uneducated mind unfortunately

Sarah - posted on 04/26/2009

Ask them if they agree with Capital Punishment? If they say no, then tell them that abortion is murder as well and see if they can come up with an arguement.

Stasia - posted on 03/31/2009

Quoting Amy:

They believe it should be the mother's choice. Well, what about when the father is forcing the mother to have an abortion?

Do they do evaluations of the women who come in??? or is it just "you're here, great ill take your money go in there?"

You would think any fellow human being would atleast try to talk to the woman first in case that it IS a husband/father/ignorant doctor trying to force her to do it against her will?

Amy - posted on 03/29/2009

They believe it should be the mother's choice. Well, what about when the father is forcing the mother to have an abortion?

Amy - posted on 03/29/2009

They believe it should be the mother's choice. Well, what about when the father is forcing the mother to have an abortion?

Stasia - posted on 03/23/2009

Thanks Angie, I have read parts of the bible, in fact probably a lot more than most non Christians. I was on a surf trip, did not bring a book but the place we rented had a bible. We were there for a few weeks and so I did not decide it wasn't right for me because of ignorance, it was because I simply do not think that way. I have gone to church a few dozen times before I decided it wasn't for me.

I definitely do not believe that all Christians are the same, every Christian is their own unique person.

I appreciate your concern but I have found my own faith and beliefs in other places but I can see how it could be for some people. There are more religions than just Christianity and I will not push my beliefs on others as I hope no one will push theirs on me.

Stasia - posted on 03/23/2009

Thanks Angie, I have read parts of the bible, in fact probably a lot more than most non Christians. I was on a surf trip, did not bring a book but the place we rented had a bible. We were there for a few weeks and so I did not decide it wasn't right for me because of ignorance, it was because I simply do not think that way. I have gone to church a few dozen times before I decided it wasn't for me.

I definitely do not believe that all Christians are the same, ever Christian is their own unique person.

I appreciate your concern but I have found my own faith and beliefs in other places and Christianity is not for me though I can see how it could be for some people. There are more religions than just Christianity and I will not push my beliefs on others as I hope no one will push theirs on me.

Angie - posted on 03/22/2009

Stasia,

I'm sorry that you didn't have a good experience at church. I don't know what church you went to but just know that we all came here the same way. God created all of us from the beginning. I challenge you to pick up a Bible and read it. If you just read a little you would see things that didn't just happend. They were fortold and are still happening. God loves you and he loves all of us and even the little children that are not born. I'm sorry that you were treated badly at church and hope and pray that you will give it another chance before you just give up and say that all Christians are the same. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers and hopefully someday I will see you in Heaven.

Angie - posted on 03/22/2009

I don't believe you can be both. Either you are against abortion or you are not. Life of human beings are totally different then the lives of plants and animals in which God made as part of the circle of life. God made Adam and Eve and gave the world he made to them and their children. Who has the right to take away a life of a human being? God and God only. It is a child not a CHOICE. If you don't want the child God has gave you there are other options than to destroy it which is Murder no matter how you put it!!!!! you would never sit there and watch someone kill another person in front of you and say it is their choice so why do you think it is ok to let them do it before they are born. You never know who they could grow up to be. God has a plan for each and every one of us. He says "I knew you before you were born. " If they don't want the child there are many people who do and can't even have one. Think about that before you say that you can be against abortion but ok if someone else does it.

Angie - posted on 03/22/2009

Quoting Stasia:

thankyou stephanie, well put, but as far as the "life begins at conception" this is true, but let me ask you a question.

Are you a vegetarian?? This is also a life. What is your home made of? were these trees not also living?? Everything is a cycle

I do not want anyone to get me wrong. I am pro life. But I am not Againt the women who think otherwise

Angie - posted on 03/22/2009

Quoting Stasia:

Someone who says that does not believe it is wrong. All it means is that they are choosing not to judge someone else.

I believe it is very possible to feel that way. I formerly would have said the same thing and meant it.

At that point, I did not believe that it was wrong, only that it was wrong for me. Similarly that I do not believe it is wrong to be homosexual, but it isn't right for me. Everyone is different, and there is so much lack of communication and education. When i was pregnant my doctor said "aboriton isn't killing a baby, it isn't a baby yet when it is this early, it is just cells."

If people believe that, then maybe that is why they would believe that it isn't wrong, only wrong for them

Whitney - posted on 03/12/2009

At 21 days there is a heartbeat! how can one deny that is not life?? there are 28 days in a month....therefore most likely by the time you can even KNOW your pregnant there is a little beating heart. I have talked to people who have that stance...I just tell them about how I was adopted and my birth mothers situation.

Gina - posted on 03/10/2009

Stasia, I respect that you didn't grow up religious, yet you choose to believe abortion is wrong, and you believe in souls and spirits. I always grew up with strict religious background, but it's who I am, and I think if I was raised differently I would still believe the way I do. In our religion we are told that animals have souls, and plants are an intelligence. Yet I still believe that human life is far superior to those, and that they were put on earth for mankind to survive. I think we need to respect them still, only use what we need etc.

Stasia - posted on 03/10/2009

I was just never raised religiously. My family is very..... alternative. I believe in souls and spirits and the energy of a life force but I have never had a christian background. From being on the outside of this, I have found many people to be very judgmental about my lifestyle. I have attended church but felt ostracized from it and decided that would be where I left it.

I just didn't have the deep understanding of the morals (like pro-life) tied to Christianity

Dawn - posted on 03/10/2009

o ok. sorry didn't mean to jump down your throat then!! i know a few women that have had abortions and didn't think anything of them and would have more if they felt they needed to. i've tried to explain it to them but they don't see it my way. it's so sad:( your finding christianity hard to understand? or whatever your practicing now?

Stasia - posted on 03/10/2009

Sorry, I have to be honest here, I am in university and have to write an arguement and persuasion essay. I believe abortion is wrong, but I don't see it from the religious perspective. I have my own spiritual beliefs, but was not raised this way, and am finding it hard to understand.

I think from a religious perspective there are some great arguments against abortion, and I was actually just trying to understand REAL people who feel this way instead of just quoting something out of the bible. My questions were really just trying to pick your brains to understand what you all believe.

I don't believe in abortion, and I wasn't meaning to question a right to choose, In the beginning I was only defending why some women may say "i am pro choice but couldnt do it myself"

At a very vulnerable time in my life I was told to have an abortion and that it was just a group of cells and not a baby and to "stop crying its not a big deal"... etc. A doctor told me this. Shouldn't doctors know what babies are at five weeks? If she said it was only a clump of cells she must be right.....right? wrong.

The best decision of my life was to walk away from my doctor and not look back. My daughter is the most beautiful thing in my life and I am thankful every day that I have her. but i wonder how many women (Young women especially) are influenced like this and because of lack of education, believes it.

I only argued for choice to get a fresh perspective, and appreciate all your patience and answers.

Dawn - posted on 03/10/2009

ok so what are you trying to say then? i guess i don't understand. so what do you believe then? if you are a member of this group then you must believe that abortion is wrong anyway you look at it so i guess i don't see why your questioning that woman should have the right to choose????

Stasia - posted on 03/10/2009

Dawn, thanks for clearing things up a little for me, but once again I am not comparing the two. I did not understand that it was because of the belief animals have no souls. I do see the difference clearly, if that is your belief.

To clarify my point again, I am NOT saying killing a human life is the same as killing an animal!! i should have worded that better, my apologies.

Stasia - posted on 03/10/2009

Quoting Emily :

I don't think that a tiny little baby life compares to not eating animals and cuting down trees.

I obviously do not mean that it compares. I am a mother, do you think I mean that cutting down a tree is comparable with the beautiful complexity of the life that is my daughter? I simply stated that if it is the fact that just taking away LIFE is wrong, in any form then why does no one bat an eyelash at taking these other lives?

Someone said that in the bible it states that humans are superior. I am not questioning anyone's religion, but doesnt the bible also say "the sun moves and the earth is at rest" WOuldn't this then mean that the earth is the center of the universe as previously thought? I find it so hard not to question these things, even if the heart of it is true, I could not follow or accept things on blind faith.

Nellie - posted on 03/09/2009

Quoting Dawn:

to clear things up...God put plants and animals here for us to eat and use to build things. they do not have a soul so killing them is NOT a sin. but He clearly states that the shedding of innocent blood IS!! how can you even compare them? i don't put anyone down that has had an abortion because everyone makes mistakes and even in God's eyes can be forgiven if they ask for it. but i can try and prevent them from getting one in the first place by explaining that it is murder anyway you look at it! and showing them that there are other options out there if the baby isn't wanted such as adoption. and it they do want it but don't think they can do it there are sooo many support groups and services out there for mother's struggling. that's my opinion anyway.

You beat me to it....nicely said;)

Dawn - posted on 03/09/2009

to clear things up...God put plants and animals here for us to eat and use to build things. they do not have a soul so killing them is NOT a sin. but He clearly states that the shedding of innocent blood IS!! how can you even compare them? i don't put anyone down that has had an abortion because everyone makes mistakes and even in God's eyes can be forgiven if they ask for it. but i can try and prevent them from getting one in the first place by explaining that it is murder anyway you look at it! and showing them that there are other options out there if the baby isn't wanted such as adoption. and it they do want it but don't think they can do it there are sooo many support groups and services out there for mother's struggling. that's my opinion anyway.

Alisha - posted on 03/08/2009

I was going to say the same thing. It is a complete difference of what I see as important and what Stasia does. I do my part when it comes to taking care of the planet, I would also never condone abuse to an animal , and I surely dont "Sport hunt" but I will not stop someone who does as long as they are doing it humanely. But I see human life as absolutely more sacred than any tree or animal.

I was watching a show a while back and there was environmentalist hasseling a lumberjack in Alaska. He simply replied "Either this tree comes down or my children dont eat..." In that case I say the tree comes down, BUT do your part and replant, and dont cut down an old growth forest. BE RESPONSIBLE! It's very common sense. Seems pretty easy you know!!!

And Stasia, I am not trying to call you out as much as show you were your priorites are off in my opinion.

Emily - posted on 03/08/2009

Quoting Stasia:

thankyou stephanie, well put, but as far as the "life begins at conception" this is true, but let me ask you a question.

Are you a vegetarian?? This is also a life. What is your home made of? were these trees not also living?? Everything is a cycle

I do not want anyone to get me wrong. I am pro life. But I am not Againt the women who think otherwise

I don't think that a tiny little baby life compares to not eating animals and cuting down trees.

Christa - posted on 03/08/2009

I guess I should have been more specific. My beliefs come from the bible and in the bibile there is absolute certainty that human life is superior to all other species. God made humans in his own image, he didn't do that with anything else plant or animal. It's just not a comparision when your values come from the bible.



I do agree that there needs to be more education and that would help people make the right choice.

Stasia - posted on 03/07/2009

Thankyou for your insight and helping me to understand this Christa, I do have my own religious beliefs but they are not the same as your own. I think it is hard to be objective about the world, and to be un bias about our place in it. I believe that life is life. Im sure if you asked a lion he would also say that the life of a fellow lion is far superior to that of any human.

I am only getting a little off topic, but it breaks my heart to see the way we treat someone who has made the mistake of abortion. I think (and hope) that by more education, information, and compassion we can spread the word and truth of what really happens during this.

Too many doctors make light of it, and many people just don't really understand.

Christa - posted on 03/07/2009

That is where religion comes in. Humans have souls, animals and plants do not. The life of a human is far superior to any other. It's not even comparable. It's not the same as those who eat meat and those who do not. Killing animals is not a sin killing a human is. When you live your life by the bible there is no middle ground on the subject.

Stasia - posted on 03/07/2009

thankyou stephanie, well put, but as far as the "life begins at conception" this is true, but let me ask you a question.

Are you a vegetarian?? This is also a life. What is your home made of? were these trees not also living?? Everything is a cycle

I do not want anyone to get me wrong. I am pro life. But I am not Againt the women who think otherwise

Stephanie - posted on 03/05/2009

"I would never jump in front of a moving train myself, but who am I to try to stop someone else from doing it?" ...seems to fit the bill!

Nellie - posted on 03/05/2009

Quoting Alisha:

Believing that life begins at conception has nothing to do with believing in God. It is a fact that life begins at conception. It is a scientific fact! Life has begun, whether or not the life looks like a human being for 7 weeks is another question, but there is no doubt life has begun. If you do nothing at all, this life will become a baby, who will then be born and become a toddler, a teen, and then an adult! It is simply the stages of developement! I am tired of these arguments that it is not a baby, and that an abortion is not ending a life!!

By the way I also believe in God, but in this issue I think that all people must stand against it because it is a crime against humanity, not just the Lord.

EXACTLY!!!!!

Alisha - posted on 03/04/2009

Believing that life begins at conception has nothing to do with believing in God. It is a fact that life begins at conception. It is a scientific fact! Life has begun, whether or not the life looks like a human being for 7 weeks is another question, but there is no doubt life has begun. If you do nothing at all, this life will become a baby, who will then be born and become a toddler, a teen, and then an adult! It is simply the stages of developement! I am tired of these arguments that it is not a baby, and that an abortion is not ending a life!!

By the way I also believe in God, but in this issue I think that all people must stand against it because it is a crime against humanity, not just the Lord.

Gina - posted on 03/04/2009

Quoting Stasia:

Someone who says that does not believe it is wrong. All it means is that they are choosing not to judge someone else.

I believe it is very possible to feel that way. I formerly would have said the same thing and meant it.

At that point, I did not believe that it was wrong, only that it was wrong for me. Similarly that I do not believe it is wrong to be homosexual, but it isn't right for me. Everyone is different, and there is so much lack of communication and education. When i was pregnant my doctor said "aboriton isn't killing a baby, it isn't a baby yet when it is this early, it is just cells."

If people believe that, then maybe that is why they would believe that it isn't wrong, only wrong for them

I could see how someone who is not religious could think that way. I believe in god, therefore, I believe life begins with conception, also about the homosexuality, I believe it is wrong. I think it's an easy way out for people to believe it's ok to be that way, but for them they don't choose it. I just think people need to stick to their values.

Christa - posted on 03/04/2009

That's an interesting thought. I guess I don't understand how they could say it's wrong for them, but not for others. On the homosexual subject I can understand that because you just don't "swing" that way, but on the abortion subject I just can't understand that type of position. I'd have to ask why isn't it right for them? Chances are they would say because they couldn't kill their baby. Anyway I appreciate the opinion I just don't understand it. :-)

Stasia - posted on 03/04/2009

Someone who says that does not believe it is wrong. All it means is that they are choosing not to judge someone else.

I believe it is very possible to feel that way. I formerly would have said the same thing and meant it.

At that point, I did not believe that it was wrong, only that it was wrong for me. Similarly that I do not believe it is wrong to be homosexual, but it isn't right for me. Everyone is different, and there is so much lack of communication and education. When i was pregnant my doctor said "aboriton isn't killing a baby, it isn't a baby yet when it is this early, it is just cells."

If people believe that, then maybe that is why they would believe that it isn't wrong, only wrong for them

Nellie - posted on 03/03/2009

Right on Gina!!!  I was telling my husband the other day, how can this be a free country when the unborn are murdered and have no rights.

Gina - posted on 03/02/2009

Our radio station had a lady on today who is related to Martin Luther King, she said she had 2 abortions right after the Roe V Wade came out. She said that she didn't understand everything, and they kind of tricked her. Now she is speaking out against abortion, and she came up with a term that I thought sounded really good. She said what about the civil rights of the baby. They don't even get a choice.

Alisha - posted on 03/02/2009

Good! It always helps to have such a good support group like this!

Emily - posted on 03/01/2009

Alisha- That is great, i will have start using that. ;-)

Alisha - posted on 02/25/2009

I had a similar question and a very close friend reminded me that it is murder, and the best way to approach that question is to ask them if they would turn the other way if the government tried to legalize murder. Could they say "I wouldnt kill someone, but I am not going to say no one else can...." It makes it very clear!

Hope this helps!