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Why isn't President Obama more worried about the war in iraq, then killing the unborn. Why areabortions so hard to out law (well obiously b/c we have a liberal in the White House), but when will this country regain morals and realize this is murder??????????

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Nicole - posted on 02/10/2009

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I second that "Amen, Whitney!" Now, I know not all women who get abortions use this, but I HATE the excuse "I'm doing what's best for both of us. The baby wouldn't have 2 parents, or I couldn't provide for the baby, or the baby would have a father who left...or on and on...it's better off this way." Seriously?? A baby is better off dead?? I believe that adoption is one of the most UNselfish thing a mom can do and one I wish more women would consider first.

Whitney - posted on 02/10/2009

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I hate that abortion is something that people resort to and think its okay. I am a new mom and I can't even imagine ever being able to do that to something i grew inside of me! I was also adopted as a baby....my birth mother was 18 years old, unmarried, no boyfriend or fiance, NO family support, and very poor basically every excuse used to justify getting an abortion and instead she decided to give me a chance at life. I think about all the things I never would have gotten to do and I would not have been able to bring my little girl into this world had she chosen the "easy way out". I have the most wonderful parents and a life I wouldnt trade for anything and I wish people would think about the future they could give someone and the happiness they could give a couple who can't have their own children before they make such an utterly selfish decision.

Peg - posted on 02/09/2009

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When I said that rape "only" accounts for a fraction of a percent of abortions, I didn't mean that that tiny fraction is acceptable.  I agree with the others that a baby who is the result of rape is just as deserving of life as those who are planned and wanted by their parents.  The abortion of such a baby is still a murder and absolutely wrong. 



My intent in making that comment is that basing the decision to allow 1.2 million babies to be killed because 50 of them might be the result of rape is absolutely absurd reasoning.

Michelle - posted on 02/09/2009

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I'm not sure it's even as clear cut as just voting Rep vs Dem. There are many dems out there more conservative than our republicans running. You have to be very careful and not just vote a party line and actually see what their record is and what they believe and fight for.

Gina - posted on 02/09/2009

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Quoting Sarah:

Honestly, the fact that even christians have their "I am Pro-life expect if" philosophy is why it will never pass. I am sorry but since I joined the Christian moms group and the republican group a week ago I have never witnessed so many "liberal" christians. Yeah I was raised in a very conservatice christian home but there is no gray I am sorry it is black and white. Death or life. No excuses. What is this maybe we should not make it illegal crap because it will go underground. If your against abortion than be against it.

P.S. My husband would laugh at me right now because I never get into any of these things on here normally but he is gone on a business trip for a week so nights stink ;-(



Amen to that Sarah!!!

Crystal - posted on 02/09/2009

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Quoting Sarah:

Honestly, the fact that even christians have their "I am Pro-life expect if" philosophy is why it will never pass. I am sorry but since I joined the Christian moms group and the republican group a week ago I have never witnessed so many "liberal" christians. Yeah I was raised in a very conservatice christian home but there is no gray I am sorry it is black and white. Death or life. No excuses. What is this maybe we should not make it illegal crap because it will go underground. If your against abortion than be against it.

P.S. My husband would laugh at me right now because I never get into any of these things on here normally but he is gone on a business trip for a week so nights stink ;-(


I would love to see abortion be illegal and for so many women to stop having them.  But, I'm also realistic.  I know it's not going to become illegal even if every pro-life person stoof up for it.  It just wouldn't happen in our world.  So I do what I can instead and I pray for these women who feel the need to have to go and get one and for the souls of those babies who go right back to God. 



 



I look at the reality of things and think, what is actually within my reach to accomplish and I work on that.  What we can accomplish is next time we can stand up more and get the Reps that voted Dem and get them to vote Rep next time, we can work on getting Reps more respect by not condemning people or continuosly bashing Obama because trust me if we keep doing that we will lose respect.  We can be the bigger people and work with the Dems without comporimising our values, and we can try and at least make sure the partial-birth abortions never become legal.



 



I am completely against abortion but I will never look down on someone who has had one.  I will never tell them it's murder, because everyone who knows me knows how i feel.  I will however be there for them and not judge them because that's not my place and I'd never presume it to be.

Nicole - posted on 02/08/2009

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Quoting Crystal:



Quoting Anne:





I realize abortions can be a very touchy situation so I am glad to be amongst friends who believe the same things.  I have long debated the reasons not to have abortions but I always get hit with "what if the woman was raped & pregnant as a result?"  I never know how to respond to that.  Any suggestions?









  My response is always the same.  If I personally were to be raped and become pregnant from it I would keep the child.  It would not be any less my child just because the father is a criminal.  My husband would take the child as his own.  I don't see why anyone else would not be able to carry a child born out of rape.  Does it make the baby any less important than one born out of love?  No, it doesn't.  The baby is just as important and precious.  I would not kill my child just because of who their father is.





I totally agree with Crystal. Also, I would argue that if you believe abortion is wrong and it is murder (which I believe), then why is a "rape baby" okay to abort? It's either a life or it isn't. You don't make exceptions because of the circumstances.

Sarah - posted on 02/08/2009

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Honestly, the fact that even christians have their "I am Pro-life expect if" philosophy is why it will never pass. I am sorry but since I joined the Christian moms group and the republican group a week ago I have never witnessed so many "liberal" christians. Yeah I was raised in a very conservatice christian home but there is no gray I am sorry it is black and white. Death or life. No excuses. What is this maybe we should not make it illegal crap because it will go underground. If your against abortion than be against it.



P.S. My husband would laugh at me right now because I never get into any of these things on here normally but he is gone on a business trip for a week so nights stink ;-(

Crystal - posted on 02/08/2009

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And yet you are the one who started acting condescending.....in my experience that's a liberal trait. You haven't even seen bickering yet, but don't worry, I'm done, you obviously can't listen to reason or read posts thoroughly so it would be pointless to discuss anything else with you.

Shelby - posted on 02/08/2009

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Considering how much you want to bicker about this and shove your soap box standpoint at me, maybe you should send me an e-mail. Otherwise it is pointless to argue with you, you might as well be a liberal with the way you are acting.

Crystal - posted on 02/07/2009

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I also wanted to add, if you add actually read my reply you would have realized I had already stated that the war going on in Iraq is not declared, so that should have given you the knowledge to know that I already knew how congress works. I also know all about the policing system and the government that is over there because my husband tells me what he is allowed to tell me.

If soldiers are deployed and receive HDP and CDP then they are considered deployed to a war zone, see that word....WAR. It was in the deployment contract he received also.

Crystal - posted on 02/07/2009

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That question was rhetorical. I will believe the truth and that comes from living it. Trust me when I say as a wife of a soldier I deal with a lot more military and political crap and probably no more about Iraq then most civilians.

Just because the conflict in Iraq has not been declared a war does not mean that it is not a war zone, there is a reason we get combat pay and hazard duty pay which is paid to soldiers in a WAR zone.

I honestly think you need to do a little more research and try not to sound so condescending to people, especially to those who are here to support your freedoms to spout of crap.

Shelby - posted on 02/07/2009

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If you already knew any of that, you wouldn't have asked me that question. But obviously you'll just believe whatever you want.

Crystal - posted on 02/07/2009

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Thank you for explanation on how war is declared, I already knew that. I'm aware of how our congress works, and I'm aware that no one really wanted us to go into Iraq. I believe it was necessary, and no it does not really have a working government and therefore isn't really liberated. The government they have in place doesn't want to do anything for themselves. If you think it's peaceful over there you are sadly mistaken.

Good for your brother for protecting our country but this is my life on a day to day basis and the life of some of my best friends dealing with their husband's being overseas. However, I think it sound like your brother is telling you too much about his job and what's going on since some of that should be kept to the army and not the civilians. I hope he doesn't get in trouble for what you seem to say he's been telling you. We are in a conflict with Iraq, which is close enough to war to me, and that's why they medals when they return home for it.

Thank you Peg, it's a sacrifice we're more than happy to make for our country!

Shelby - posted on 02/07/2009

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My brother was also deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, he was in danger from the terrorists he was sent there to fight. He's been doing this since 2001. Until Obama, it was a Global War On Terrorism, not a war on Iraq. And war is something only Congress can declare, a President can send the military somewhere to fight so long as it lasts less then 90 days but then it is a decision made by Congress. And another thing to consider is the highest military position in Iraq is the MNF-I. Which stands for Multi-National Forces Iraq. The United Nations asked the U.S. to take point and we said gladly. And my brother spending so much time there and so much time working for the soldiers is why I have such a strong opinion about it, I hear about it every day. I heard about how much trouble Obama was causing our country before he was even elected. Such as when he went to countries that were enemies of each other one after another. Which causes terrible problems with our foreign policies and how we try to remain friendly with these countries. But people insisted on electing him anyway.

And I consider liberated the fact that in such a short amount of time Iraq was able to make a government, a constitution, and have elections relatively peacefully.

Peg - posted on 02/07/2009

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The term "war" no longer applies only to situations where our government has officially declared a war.  It is more generic and applies to situations where a large number of our troops are fighting another country or group and they are in danger.  Just because the situations in Iraq & Afghanistan were not "declared" wars doesn't mean they are not wars. 



But Shelby, I totally agree with the rest of your post.  I'm tired of hearing how evil America is for doing the noble thing of ridding this world of Saddam Hussein and working very had to establish a stable Iraq, despite rebel forces within that country who don't want it to be stable.  Our troops are doing an amazing thing and truly deserve our respect. 



Crystal, you and your husband have my undying gratitude....

Crystal - posted on 02/07/2009

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I don't care if the war in Iraq is declared or not, it is a war zone. That's why my husband got paid combat pay, hazard duty pay and got the pleasure of watching a dog blow up to destroy his convoy and get shot at.

If that's not war, then tell me exactly what is? My husband was in Iraq for a year and was in danger the majority of the time, I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound very "liberated" to me.

Shelby - posted on 02/07/2009

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Wow...umm first off, we aren't at war with anybody. The US has declared war only TWICE in history - World Wars I and II. Second of all, we LIBERATED IRAQ, we weren't fighting them. In fact, the current President of Iraq we have had excellent relations with since WWII. Thirdly, we are ONE of FORTY-SEVEN countries sent to Iraq by the United Nations. And the ONLY thing we are waiting on in Iraq is for them to be able to police themselves. I am so tired of hearing ignorant crap about Iraq that isn't true as if we're the evil country in the world. If I were you, I would be more concerned about Obama parading himself on ARAB tv like a damn celebrity and his Muslim "heritage" and letting terrorists off without prejudice - THAT concerns me.

Anne - posted on 02/06/2009

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Thanks, Peg, for the useful info.  I also liked "Is "it" human?  Is "it" living?  Then "it" is a human life."  So true.

Peg - posted on 02/06/2009

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Quoting Anne:



I am new to this site.  I'm a mother of three and never considered myself pro-life until I became a mother.   Now there's no turning back.






And Gina, I agree with your old fashioned thinking and unfortunately many people don't want to deal with the consequences of their own actions.  They'd rather blame someone/something else. 






I realize abortions can be a very touchy situation so I am glad to be amongst friends who believe the same things.  I have long debated the reasons not to have abortions but I always get hit with "what if the woman was raped & pregnant as a result?"  I never know how to respond to that.  Any suggestions?






Hi Anne!  Good for you for being willing to debate people on this issue, it is sooo important.  When someone uses the rape/incest argument, tell them rape and incest account for a tiny fraction of a percent of all abortions.  I heard someone say, if you legislate based on the worst case scenario, you will come up with very bad legislation. 



It is up to us, who know the truth, to educate those who don't understand.  So we need to be knowledgeable on the facts.  Sign up for LifeNews, http://www.nrlc.org/ . 



As someone earlier said, people don't think life begins at conception.  Well, they need to understand that it does.  Any intro to biology book will tell you that.  My questions are: Is "it" human?  Is "it" living?  Then "it" is a human life.  And with different DNA from the mother, "it" is a separate individual.



We also need to put our money/time/efforts where our mouths are.  Help out your local crisis pregnancy center.  They are on the front lines helping scared women choose life.  Visit Care Net, http://www.care-net.org/ to find a center near you that you can invest in. 



Ok, can you tell this is my passion?  I'm getting down off my soapbox.... 

Michelle - posted on 02/06/2009

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They never will because it is a money industry. Too many people are getting rich off of it and there is too much demand for it, whatever the reasons are. All we can do is pray for the women in those positions and try to be there for them afterwards, whether they keep the baby or not. Think about it, many women considering an abortion are doing so because they fear they cannot afford a child and many cannot. Think about our welfare system. We are so ready to tell them not to have an abortion, but how many are willing to help those who actually decide to keep the babies? We need to be there for all women in crisis pregnancy situations so more will be willing to not go through with the abortion. If there is no support if they make what we think is the right choice by saving the life of the child, we also need to do more to help them... not just get them dependent on a gov system that doesn't work or benefit them in the long run.

Anne - posted on 02/05/2009

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Thanks for your response.  I totally agree when life begins that it IS precious.  I also liked...It would not be any less my child just because the father is a criminal.  Very good point.

Crystal - posted on 02/05/2009

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Quoting Anne:




I realize abortions can be a very touchy situation so I am glad to be amongst friends who believe the same things.  I have long debated the reasons not to have abortions but I always get hit with "what if the woman was raped & pregnant as a result?"  I never know how to respond to that.  Any suggestions?





  My response is always the same.  If I personally were to be raped and become pregnant from it I would keep the child.  It would not be any less my child just because the father is a criminal.  My husband would take the child as his own.  I don't see why anyone else would not be able to carry a child born out of rape.  Does it make the baby any less important than one born out of love?  No, it doesn't.  The baby is just as important and precious.  I would not kill my child just because of who their father is.

Anne - posted on 02/05/2009

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I am new to this site.  I'm a mother of three and never considered myself pro-life until I became a mother.   Now there's no turning back.



And Gina, I agree with your old fashioned thinking and unfortunately many people don't want to deal with the consequences of their own actions.  They'd rather blame someone/something else. 



I realize abortions can be a very touchy situation so I am glad to be amongst friends who believe the same things.  I have long debated the reasons not to have abortions but I always get hit with "what if the woman was raped & pregnant as a result?"  I never know how to respond to that.  Any suggestions?

Gina - posted on 02/05/2009

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I don't know, call me old fashioned but I think if abortion was illegal, and women were doing it underground, maybe it would make other women think twice about abortion when they seen how bad the other women got hurt from it. I know it's sad how some girls get stuck in situations like drugs and stuff, but when it comes to killing a baby that should be thought about seriously. Ultimately we are responsible for the choices we make, wether we like it or not, we have to suffer the consequences.

Crystal - posted on 02/05/2009

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Yea, my friend is having a hard time getting pregnant now, but she had drug abuse problems in her teens, anorexia and the abortion.

I was so proud of my niece though, she got pregnant almost 2 years ago, and she went to have an abortion because she felt she wouldn't be able to handle it. She told me she changed her mind when she went in and while she was bawling from the choice there were girls who were laughing and talking about what they'd do once they were free of their problem. She was mortified and decided to go through with the pregnancy. She now is so glad she did, she has a beautiful little boy.

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Quoting Crystal:



I definitely agree.  This is a reason my husband and I are looking into eventually adopting overseas rather than here at home.  






We need to make more regulations on abortion and make sure women are actually using them for at least understandable reason rather than "i just don't want to be knocked up".






I know a couple of people who have had abortions and can at least sympathize with their reasonings (one friend was so strung out on drugs).





I had a friend in middle school that had several abortions, i don't even know the exact number.  She later had trouble staying pregnant when she was ready to have a child.  She got abortions for the wrong reasons and paid the price.  She is lucky she was finally able to have a child.  Some women aren't able to because of the choices they made when they were younger.  I just want that put out there so women don't make a mistake that will haunt them later on in life.



 

Crystal - posted on 02/05/2009

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Quoting Lindsay:



I think it's to late to make abortion 100% illegal but we can get late term abortions banned and make it harder for women to use abortion as a form of birth control.  A lot of women get abortions because they are being pushed into it by someone else like their boyfriend or parents.  That goes against what the feminists feel about abortion so really they should want the woman to be sure too.  We need to make it easier to adopt children in this country because it takes forever and it's so expensive.  A lot of people are adopting from other countries now because of this.  I think if planned parenthood and pro abortion groups were put out of business abortion rates would drop and more women would choose adoption or to even keep their babies





I definitely agree.  This is a reason my husband and I are looking into eventually adopting overseas rather than here at home. 



 



We need to make more regulations on abortion and make sure women are actually using them for at least understandable reason rather than "i just don't want to be knocked up".



 



I know a couple of people who have had abortions and can at least sympathize with their reasonings (one friend was so strung out on drugs).

Lindsay - posted on 02/05/2009

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I think it's to late to make abortion 100% illegal but we can get late term abortions banned and make it harder for women to use abortion as a form of birth control.  A lot of women get abortions because they are being pushed into it by someone else like their boyfriend or parents.  That goes against what the feminists feel about abortion so really they should want the woman to be sure too.  We need to make it easier to adopt children in this country because it takes forever and it's so expensive.  A lot of people are adopting from other countries now because of this.  I think if planned parenthood and pro abortion groups were put out of business abortion rates would drop and more women would choose adoption or to even keep their babies

Crystal - posted on 02/05/2009

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He's not worried about the war in Iraq because he's pulling our troops out of there (big mistake) and because abortion is not considered murder to liberals but an alternative birth control. They don't believe it's life until it can live on it's own.

I don't believe that abortion will ever become illegal even if a Republican was in the white house and we had a congress full of conservatives, and honestly, I don't think it should be. We would have so many people trying to do it underground and getting themselves hurt. With it legal it's at least done safely. I don't agree with abortion, every life to me is precious even if it's a new life, but I can see the benefits of keeping it legal. We just have to teach better birth control and teach our kids the sanctity of life and pray for those who choose to have these awful procedures.

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I just had a conversation with a liberal doctor I work with last evening and I think that many people do not consider life to start at conception. I think they feel like it has to be able to live on its own (for the more moderate types-not the ones who think partial birth abortions are ok) to be when life starts. I might be wrong on that b/c I just don't get it. The baby is growing, when plants grow, they consider it life. odd.

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