Defending my views

Lisa - posted on 01/28/2009

Quoting Whitney:

Speaking of indoctinating our children, I wanted to puke not too long after the inauguration when my kids were watching Nick Jr. on the Nickeloeon channel.  We're talking programing appropriate for the 1-4 year old crowd right?  They had some kids about 11-12 years old on reporting from the inauguration saying how we'eve made history and blah blah blah.  I was like "What is this?"  What does politics have anything to do with a 3 year old?  Made my blood boil.  I can handle the ultra-enviromental dogma they teach our kids because some of it is just practical, but when they start teaching our kids to tow a certain party line at such a young age, that just makes me mad.

 

There's a couple of things I've learned this past election year about arguing with liberals.  First, know what you're talking about.  If you really understand the subject matter your debating you can stump them just about every time.  Half the time they are just parrotting what they've heard their liberal friends saying.  They never bothered to look it up for themselves so they dont' really know what they're talking about in the first place.  A good example is the housing crisis.  Nancy Pelosi and all the other of her ilk like to scream that it was Bush's fault our economy went down the toilet.  In reality, it started way back with Clintion, in taking away any restrictions Fanny Mae or Freddy Mac had in their lending practices.  Then when the Rebs in the House and Senate got up off their tooshes long enough to try to control the downward spiral we were already in, the Democrats had already gotten a majority in both Houses (and in the pockets of Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae I might add - including first and foremost our illustrious President) and they knocked down any attempt at regulation that was proposed.

 

Another thing that works really well is not getting angry.  Any time I was in an discussion, my posts were always very courteous and calm.  They love to confound you by diverting attention to an issue they can't defend or don't know enough about by bringing up something else.  All I did was redirect the conversation back to the issue and it would just tick them off.

You've got good style.  I concur 100%

Lisa - posted on 01/28/2009

Quoting Gina:

I am so glad there is so many women with the same views as me! I think our problem is that we need to get rid of the party lines of Democrat and Republican. Then it might force people to actually research the candidates, and not go for their own party. I also wish that we could just get rid of 90% of the politicians, and get new ones. I think they are all corrupt. The problem is that the media will feed you what they want you to think and believe. There are more conservatives out there than you think. Also the liberals just want to take any kind of consequences for peoples actions out of the picture. They think it is in-humane to torture a terrorist, so let's just let them all go, and let's not punish a mother with a baby. The mother made the choice when she had sex, so if she gets pregnant deal with it. I am so fed up with the liberals I could scream.

Talking about getting rid of party lines....I know a lot of Dem's that are actually conservative, but they don't see how much their party has changed and have just always voted Dem. (older generations) I even tested this by asking questions on issues and they disagreed with THEIR PARTY.  But still voted Dem.  Then I asked them, would you vote for Obama if he was on the Reb. ticket?  answer, probably not.   ARG!!!!!!  Maybe the Dem know that once the WWII and early 50's generation is gone, their number of voters will go down...so their in lies the solution of "get the vote out".  Conservatives have got to get a voice or we won't survive.  Anyway, back to a election solution...I thought it would be great if they just took a questionaire on issues and values and the machine would automatically pick the candidate that best falls in line with what you believe.  No Hype...just the pure facts.

Lisa - posted on 01/28/2009

Quoting Gina:

I am so glad there is so many women with the same views as me! I think our problem is that we need to get rid of the party lines of Democrat and Republican. Then it might force people to actually research the candidates, and not go for their own party. I also wish that we could just get rid of 90% of the politicians, and get new ones. I think they are all corrupt. The problem is that the media will feed you what they want you to think and believe. There are more conservatives out there than you think. Also the liberals just want to take any kind of consequences for peoples actions out of the picture. They think it is in-humane to torture a terrorist, so let's just let them all go, and let's not punish a mother with a baby. The mother made the choice when she had sex, so if she gets pregnant deal with it. I am so fed up with the liberals I could scream.

Talking about getting rid of party lines....I know a lot of Dem's that are actually conservative, but they don't see how much their party has changed and have just always voted Dem. (older generations) I even tested this by asking questions on issues and they disagreed with THEIR PARTY.  But still voted Dem.  Then I asked them, would you vote for Obama if he was on the Reb. ticket?  answer, probably not.   ARG!!!!!!  Maybe the Dem know that once the WWII and early 50's generation is gone, their number of voters will go down...so their in lies the solution of "get the vote out".  Conservatives have got to get a voice or we won't survive.  Anyway, back to a election solution...I thought it would be great if they just took a questionaire on issues and values and the machine would automatically pick the candidate that best falls in line with what you believe.  No Hype...just the pure facts.

Lisa - posted on 01/28/2009

Quoting Whitney:

Speaking of indoctinating our children, I wanted to puke not too long after the inauguration when my kids were watching Nick Jr. on the Nickeloeon channel.  We're talking programing appropriate for the 1-4 year old crowd right?  They had some kids about 11-12 years old on reporting from the inauguration saying how we'eve made history and blah blah blah.  I was like "What is this?"  What does politics have anything to do with a 3 year old?  Made my blood boil.  I can handle the ultra-enviromental dogma they teach our kids because some of it is just practical, but when they start teaching our kids to tow a certain party line at such a young age, that just makes me mad.

 

There's a couple of things I've learned this past election year about arguing with liberals.  First, know what you're talking about.  If you really understand the subject matter your debating you can stump them just about every time.  Half the time they are just parrotting what they've heard their liberal friends saying.  They never bothered to look it up for themselves so they dont' really know what they're talking about in the first place.  A good example is the housing crisis.  Nancy Pelosi and all the other of her ilk like to scream that it was Bush's fault our economy went down the toilet.  In reality, it started way back with Clintion, in taking away any restrictions Fanny Mae or Freddy Mac had in their lending practices.  Then when the Rebs in the House and Senate got up off their tooshes long enough to try to control the downward spiral we were already in, the Democrats had already gotten a majority in both Houses (and in the pockets of Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae I might add - including first and foremost our illustrious President) and they knocked down any attempt at regulation that was proposed.

 

Another thing that works really well is not getting angry.  Any time I was in an discussion, my posts were always very courteous and calm.  They love to confound you by diverting attention to an issue they can't defend or don't know enough about by bringing up something else.  All I did was redirect the conversation back to the issue and it would just tick them off.

You've got good style.  I concur 100%

Lisa - posted on 01/28/2009

Quoting Katherine:

This is exactly my story too! I got this site from a family member last weekend, and now I just can't get enough! Finally, I am not alone (with the exception of my hubby). When I first started "facebooking" I was so happy to get into touch with people from my past! I am very excited about that and think it's a great thing, but what happened!!!! The word has changed so much since when we were kids and all in school together, and I am not yet 30! I grew up in a very small town where everyone was conservative and were proud of the good values they had. How come all of a sudden everyone has changed? I am very tired of being considered "closed-minded", uneducated, and brainwashed for leaning towards the right! For me, I have really awaken. I am tired of just smiling and hiding my views for the sake of friendship. I really feel as though times are changing and I am a bit scared..scared not so much of one man, but of a generation with no morals and values whatsoever.

Hang in there....I love being connected and I have some real "Obama" flaming liberal lovers on my friends list.  I just want to cring sometimes, but I will love them nonetheless, show them I care about them, but give them something to think about from time to time.  The best you can do is try to educate your kids.  When they bring home their history lessons, I make sure they get the whole story.  My kids will know the stuff they don't care to teach anymore, and I'll make sure they do konw the difference between a "theory" and a "fact".  Society may get worse before it gets better, and with that "society" will finally learn the lesson of what over secularism, lack of respect for human life (unborn AND the elderly),  and trying to take traditional values out of our lives will do.  But let's just hope America will adjust it's attitude before we need to get "spanked".  There was a line in Transformers I really liked...."Why do we protect these people?  They are mean and selfish, etc...."  Answer, because they are "young, still have a lot to learn, and there is good in them" (something like that anyway). 

Lisa - posted on 01/28/2009

Honestly, I think this is a view that goes both ways.  Don't we usually feel the same about them?  I love a lively dabate and I encourage them to try and let me see their side, but they need to be prepared that I may just have some good arguments.  But usually I get a response like "Don't try to change my mind", or "let's agree to disagree", and other remarks that simply halt the lines of communication on the subject.   I think the best way to handle it is to show that you do listen and how you do know their issues and it's because of listening and knowing the  issues, and knowing the other things that you believe to be true that you think the way you do.  Most of what the liberals believe in are contradictory, half-truths, or failed systems,  so I just point out the facts and religious views never even have to come into play.  The biggest problem...no one wants to be wrong.      

Julie - posted on 01/28/2009

Christine, it's 3:32am. What are you still doing awake?  I LOVE being a Bible Thumper, as you said.  I also am very outspoken and I think that is what God expets of us, but He also expects us to do it in love, His love.  Don't you think when we speak the truth in His love, that is when the doors can be open and blinded eyes will begin to see the truth? 

Keep speaking HIS Truth, Christine!

Christine - posted on 01/28/2009

What a great place to gather...The other day I was at work, I am cashier at a grocery store, and one of my regular customers was bummed because the Eagles lost the game, So I said well, I am rooting for the Az Cardinals, because When I heard their quarterback Kurt Warner after the game say that he gives all his Glory to God, I was sold on him. So my regular customer says, "are you a Bible Thumper?" I paused, smiled and said, "Absolutley, I love the Lord, I am a Conservative Republican who loves Sarah Palin!!!!!" he said, Thanks for the warning. It was so funny, and believe me, I am so very outgoing and outspoken. I had a lady during the holiday's tell my manager that she was offended because I was wearing a pin that said, " It's ok to say Merry Christmas." she was an athiest.. Go figure... I am on fire for God and I let everyone know it...

Gina - posted on 01/27/2009

I am so glad there is so many women with the same views as me! I think our problem is that we need to get rid of the party lines of Democrat and Republican. Then it might force people to actually research the candidates, and not go for their own party. I also wish that we could just get rid of 90% of the politicians, and get new ones. I think they are all corrupt. The problem is that the media will feed you what they want you to think and believe. There are more conservatives out there than you think. Also the liberals just want to take any kind of consequences for peoples actions out of the picture. They think it is in-humane to torture a terrorist, so let's just let them all go, and let's not punish a mother with a baby. The mother made the choice when she had sex, so if she gets pregnant deal with it. I am so fed up with the liberals I could scream.

Kristine - posted on 01/27/2009

Because as a conservative that means you have drawn a line about what you believe and do. And because you stand by it those who feel anything goes resent you. For too long we let things slide by trying to to fight on issues. I am all for change when it is GOOD change and I think that is true of most conservatives. but we tend to be more cautions about things and democrats don't like that. I think they are actually afraid of us and their reaction is to attack.

Whitney - posted on 01/27/2009

Speaking of indoctinating our children, I wanted to puke not too long after the inauguration when my kids were watching Nick Jr. on the Nickeloeon channel.  We're talking programing appropriate for the 1-4 year old crowd right?  They had some kids about 11-12 years old on reporting from the inauguration saying how we'eve made history and blah blah blah.  I was like "What is this?"  What does politics have anything to do with a 3 year old?  Made my blood boil.  I can handle the ultra-enviromental dogma they teach our kids because some of it is just practical, but when they start teaching our kids to tow a certain party line at such a young age, that just makes me mad.

There's a couple of things I've learned this past election year about arguing with liberals.  First, know what you're talking about.  If you really understand the subject matter your debating you can stump them just about every time.  Half the time they are just parrotting what they've heard their liberal friends saying.  They never bothered to look it up for themselves so they dont' really know what they're talking about in the first place.  A good example is the housing crisis.  Nancy Pelosi and all the other of her ilk like to scream that it was Bush's fault our economy went down the toilet.  In reality, it started way back with Clintion, in taking away any restrictions Fanny Mae or Freddy Mac had in their lending practices.  Then when the Rebs in the House and Senate got up off their tooshes long enough to try to control the downward spiral we were already in, the Democrats had already gotten a majority in both Houses (and in the pockets of Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae I might add - including first and foremost our illustrious President) and they knocked down any attempt at regulation that was proposed.

Another thing that works really well is not getting angry.  Any time I was in an discussion, my posts were always very courteous and calm.  They love to confound you by diverting attention to an issue they can't defend or don't know enough about by bringing up something else.  All I did was redirect the conversation back to the issue and it would just tick them off.

Michelle - posted on 01/27/2009

I think they are projecting their own attitude onto you, quite honestly LOL

One main problem is the liberal media. Most of the people you encounter get their news from liberal media and see no other point of view. So naturally they believe what they see without question or checking other sources that might *gasp* disagree with what they are being told. They don't want to believe anything positive about republicans or conservatives. By listening to other people's views, what they truly mean is accepting and agreeing with those views, which we don't do. We might listen but that doesn't mean we fall in line with them. I refuse to get into arguments or debates with them. Life is too short and we cannot change their minds. It is something they have to figure out on their own.

Shayna - posted on 01/23/2009

It is all started with "political correctness" and feminism and such.  I am very very proud to be conservative.  To me that equals good morals and values and standards.  I put my family  and G-d above everything else and I know that I can sleep well at night. 

I am very outspoken and I don't care if people look at me funny when I say I am VERY conservative.  I look at them and ask them "where did their liberalism got them"???  Is out country any better now with all the liberalism??  Are our schools better and safer?  Are our elderly taken care of better?  Is the state of our medical practices better?  What exactly IS better with all those liberals running around? 

People who didn't grow up wth socialism don't know what it is in reality and don't see how Obama is very much leading us down that road.  I hope it's not too late when they wake up and realize what is happening

Stephanie - posted on 01/23/2009

Wow ladies! It just made my morning a little brighter to read all your posts! What a relief to see that there are still some sane people out there who are resisting what someone so accurately described as the "Obama Cult". That's exactly what it is. People treat him like he's their savior. I seriously fear for our country and our children's future, as I feel they are being indoctrinated with these socialist views. And I can hardly stomach to look at almost any media outlet as they all clamor to sing his praises. Hopefully people will come out of the spell they're under and see reality. Until then, we'll just have to keep praying for our country and defending reason!

Chelsea - posted on 01/22/2009

lol, I got it from one of my friend's FB status updates after the inauguration the other day and thought it was the best way to describe this Obama-mania!

Jessica - posted on 01/22/2009

Quoting Chelsea:

Obama= More HYPE Than HOPE!

I love this and will be using this phrase in the near future.

Dawn - posted on 01/22/2009

B/c they can't beat us into submission. They can't beat us with facts so they have to hide their cluelessness and weakness by attacks on our values.



I just say whatever when liberals talk down to me. I'm not going to waste my time defending my beliefs and my views to idiots. I find that if I don't engage then they just huff off in frustration.



They have yet to learn that important lesson. "Better the world think you are an idiot rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."

Lindsay - posted on 01/22/2009

In general i think liberals are afraid of conservative women so they can't listen to them because they might actually learn something.  So instead of listening to what we have to say they just assume they know what we're going to say.  It's easier for them to do this than to actually be informed and base their opinions on facts.

I don't know why people judge each other based on their political beliefs but to me it doesn't matter.  Im not going to not talk to someone because we have different opinions.  I might think they're idiots but im not rude to them.  I have had family members actually tell me they don't consider me family anymore because i didn't join the obama cult.  I think thats just stupid.

How do I handle them?  Well i figure if someone is weak minded enough to write someone off because of their beliefs that person probably isn't worth me spending time on.  I have liberal friends and we can discuss the issues, disagree and then start talking about something else.

Jennifer - posted on 01/22/2009

Quoting Jessica:

. Why is it that when you tell people you are a conservative republican they automatically think that means you don't listen to anyone else's views and you judge everyone based on their political views? 

Because that's what they do, and they assume everybody is just like them.  It's like the anti-gun crowd that thinks that nobody should every carry a gun because they might get really pissed and shoot somebody.  That is what THEY would do, so they assume that of everyone else.  I think the psychologists call this behavior "projecting".

Lisa - posted on 01/22/2009

I don't have TV anymore, so the one I saw was on YouTube. Just search I Pledge Obama and you can find it. ~ Lisa

Tami - posted on 01/21/2009

Quoting Lisa:

They need to learn the definition of fascism! My eldest daughter, 23 yrs., worried that Obama had many similarities to the furor over Hitler. I saw a disturbing ad today where Hollywood types were pledging to serve the president or be his servant. Although I supported Bush in many things, I wouldn't ever be his servant and have mindless loyalty to him or anyone else. I've served my country in the military and have volunteered ever since I was a little girl. I didn't watch the spectacle because I didn't want to add to the grossly expensive event when our country is in such dire economic straits. It will be interesting. ~ Lisa

Where have you seen these ads?  On tv?

Tami - posted on 01/21/2009

Quoting Lisa:

They need to learn the definition of fascism! My eldest daughter, 23 yrs., worried that Obama had many similarities to the furor over Hitler. I saw a disturbing ad today where Hollywood types were pledging to serve the president or be his servant. Although I supported Bush in many things, I wouldn't ever be his servant and have mindless loyalty to him or anyone else. I've served my country in the military and have volunteered ever since I was a little girl. I didn't watch the spectacle because I didn't want to add to the grossly expensive event when our country is in such dire economic straits. It will be interesting. ~ Lisa

Where have you seen these ads?  On tv?

Tami - posted on 01/21/2009

I like that "more hype than hope" slogan! That's a great one!! :)

Chelsea - posted on 01/21/2009

I absolutely hate that so many people are liberals just because the media and celebrities hyped up the party so much! I feel there were so many uneducated voters this past election! I registered to vote seven years ago, I didn't wait until the economy got bad, or we were in war! I swear 75% of my facebook friend's status updates yesterday were nothing but conservative/Bush bashing comments! Republicans aren't closed-minded, we just have morals! Obama= More HYPE Than HOPE!

Tami - posted on 01/21/2009

Katherine, Yes! 1979 - year of the few and far between Conservatives!!! ha ha ha! That's probably not true. I'm living on Okinawa - my husband is in the Marines, so we're still surrounded by Americans, many of whom are conservatives. I don't speak any Japanese, really, so I don't have any "real" conversations with the locals. We haven't actually lived here very long yet, but my impession of the Okinawan people is that they aren't quite at liberal as the mainland Japanese. But I could be wrong about that. At least I haven't seen any Obama pictures (or anti-Bush, for that matter) anywhere like you do in some other countries.

Katherine - posted on 01/21/2009

I saw the same ad, and it is very scary. It's almost as though they making offerings to the Lord! Another one that caught my eye was a statement from an Obama campaign worker that she would ask herself everyday what she has done for Obama!

Lisa - posted on 01/21/2009

They need to learn the definition of fascism! My eldest daughter, 23 yrs., worried that Obama had many similarities to the furor over Hitler. I saw a disturbing ad today where Hollywood types were pledging to serve the president or be his servant. Although I supported Bush in many things, I wouldn't ever be his servant and have mindless loyalty to him or anyone else. I've served my country in the military and have volunteered ever since I was a little girl. I didn't watch the spectacle because I didn't want to add to the grossly expensive event when our country is in such dire economic straits. It will be interesting. ~ Lisa

Katherine - posted on 01/21/2009

Tami, I guess 1979 was the good year to be born! I will be 30 on March 22nd. I noticed that you are living in Japan. Just out of curiousity, how is the atmosphere there (a very liberal country) after the inauguration, and how do people react to you as a conservative American? I'm in Quebec (I could write a book about how liberal it is here), and it's horrible! I feel so isolated! Everyone I meet (who know that I'm American) say how happy they are for me to have such a wonderful man as president. When I tell them that I don't support him...oops! ....a big can of worms..they think I'm a facist freak now!

Lisa - posted on 01/21/2009

Quoting Jessica:

Defending my views

Hi there,

I found this site earlier in the week and it couldn't have been better timing for me. I have been feeling like the only conservative left.

So here is what I am wondering. Why is it that when you tell people you are a conservative republican they automatically think that means you don't listen to anyone else's views and you judge everyone based on their political views? Is this just happening to me? How do you handle these types of situations

You aren't alone!  I've experienced this and, generally, I have found they are suffering from transference.  Often times those who judge that way are not willing to listen to anyone else's views.  I've been around a few academics and we've had very interesting conversations.  I try not to appear confrontational and express respect for our differing opinions.  I try to learn the several sides to an issue so I am prepared to discuss and counter with my beliefs.  The people I've spoken with who subscribe to more liberal views were surprised that I didn't seem the stereotypical conservative because I listened.  lol  Sometimes I simply respond with, "Well, I'd love to discuss this with you, but you obviously have made up your mind and you wouldn't want to listen to or discuss things from my position.  I think it would be an interesting conversation, but we'll just agree to disagree, I guess.  Sorry about that."  It puts it back on them and sometimes they'll listen.  I won't engage in a shouting match because it does nothing.
~ Lisa

Tami - posted on 01/21/2009

Katherine, I could have written the same thing, except I didn't grow up in a small town. I'll be turning 30 this year but I feel like I'm an old lady with my beliefs and views (that's probably a good thing). Luckily, I've become friends with many like-minded people, but almost all of my old friends that I've gotten in touch with again through FB are liberals.



And I also completely agree that our times are changing (they already have been, but changing even more). I feel like we're living in some evil times and I am scared too. Again, like you said, because of the number of people who have no morals.



I was just talking to my mom about some of this stuff just recently and she said that she's lived long enough (she's 63 now) to remember a very different time - when right was right and wrong was wrong. And the public opinion was for good instead of evil. And now the media would have us believe that there is no right or wrong.

Lori - posted on 01/21/2009

It's because the media tends to portray anyone who doesn't think like them as close-minded, when in reality they are the close minded ones. The past year in particular has been a tough year, mostly because conservatives have been fighting the notion that the reason that they are voting against Obama isn't because he's black, but because he has lousy policies.

Katherine - posted on 01/21/2009

This is exactly my story too! I got this site from a family member last weekend, and now I just can't get enough! Finally, I am not alone (with the exception of my hubby). When I first started "facebooking" I was so happy to get into touch with people from my past! I am very excited about that and think it's a great thing, but what happened!!!! The word has changed so much since when we were kids and all in school together, and I am not yet 30! I grew up in a very small town where everyone was conservative and were proud of the good values they had. How come all of a sudden everyone has changed? I am very tired of being considered "closed-minded", uneducated, and brainwashed for leaning towards the right! For me, I have really awaken. I am tired of just smiling and hiding my views for the sake of friendship. I really feel as though times are changing and I am a bit scared..scared not so much of one man, but of a generation with no morals and values whatsoever.