F-ing protesters

Christy - posted on 10/13/2011 ( 36 moms have responded )

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Do they even know what the hell they are protesting? A free market economy? That the economy blows for a variety of reasons, just not limited to Wall Street? Really?

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This is NOT posted to bash the original poster in the other group, BTW. Just some insight.

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Pamela - posted on 10/15/2011

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I totally agree with you Alison that the problems facing this country are pretty stinking complicated and it's not not just one thing. I think that is probably why the Occupy Wall Street protests seem so diffuse...there's so much wrong. Like I said earlier (somewhere - maybe in another post), I would like to see a more precise focus (even progressives are irritated at the diffuseness of these protests), because then things would be more effective.

So are all our problems 100% the corporations fault? A lot of it is though not all of it, of course. Not all corporations are evil and bad - absolutely not. I would hate to see ALL corporations lumped into one pot, mainly because there are companies that are very responsible, treating their employees fairly and well. But honestly, I don't think people have a bone to pick with those organizations.

It's with the companies who are paying their CEOs exorbitant wages complete with outrageous bonuses at the expense of their employees wages and jobs. That should make anybody mad. Are all like that? No. But those that are, they should be spanked:) I mean really, would we allow our own children to act the way some of these executives act? "NO!" yells our little darling bumblebees, "TOYS ALL MINE!" Heck no. We require that they share their toys and we correct them when they refuse. We don't require that they hand over all their toys but we try to teach them the concept of sharing. Why do we not expect the same with grown-ups? Why are grown-ups somehow exempt from this? Why do the rules apply differently?

Now let me address one more thing (because I get this from my dad a lot): it's all right for CEO's to make big money. Absolutely. They're the head of the company - I say yes, pay them well; however, if a company requires cutbacks, then the CEO's should be making the necessary sacrifices as well, not just their employees.

And I would prefer their money be kept out of our politics, because what has happened is our politicians now represent some very large companies - and they no longer really represent any of us. That's a serious problem (and earlier greats like Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and other who've gone before have warned against this. This is very bad for our democracy.

Rachelle - posted on 11/15/2011

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This seems like a debate group to me, not repub/conservative moms who like to get together and share similar ideas...... just a thought here. Since this is sort of a debate, it is ridiculous to even remotely compare these OWS rallies to the tea party. The record of the two is a blaring difference of the type of people and what they are protesting. Let's see, there have been at least 7 rapes that have been reported, 3 deaths, and countless buildings, vehicles, and businesses being vandalized. This OWS is violent, and yet there was not even a single arrest during any, and I repeat any of the tea party rallies. Yet, the media portrayed the TP's to be racist, violent. And I haven't even touched the racist element yet with the OWS protesters. There has clearly been anti-semitism going on with this, and it is disgusting. Now let's bring up the defacating on the streets, and the urinating. Come on, if anyone wants to be associated with the OWS....then to each their own.

Tamara - posted on 10/27/2011

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Um Pamela, you might be forgetting some of the other big issues that helped put us in this mess (and there are lots, so I am not going to cover them all), but some are the whole debacle that is Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that created mostly by democrats (yeah, we needed legislation against junk like that kind of nonsense earlier). Obamacare - we can't afford it either monetarily or civilly (freedoms being taken away in the name of 'taking care of us'). Numerous other 'welfare' programs etc that need major overhauling. Unconstitutional wars (see Libya for one). Government liberals spending money like they are playing a game of Monopoly. These and other issues are what the Tea Party protested against, as well as the underhanded business practices on Wall Street. The Tea Party protested against these 'real issues' which I could argue until I am blue in the face but doubt it would register. The problem with the nation is this. A portion of the population is looking to live on easy street. Little to no working, having a tv, car, house, etc that they didn't earn, etc ad nauseam. The Tea Party's message was lost on some because they just thought that the protest was against the fact that the President was black and not the 'real issues'.

Christy - posted on 11/04/2011

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So what you are saying is we need to protest those that make a lot of money? What about the "fat cats" in washington pulling in tons in salaries, as well as voting to give themselves raises all the time? How about the President himself and Capitol Hill voting to be "excluded" from the Obamacare plan? WTF? Bailout was a problem, government SHOULD not be interfering with corporations such as banks and car companies. The protest should be moved to Capitol Hill and be called OCH!!!!!!!!! And government "handouts" to low income people only INCREASE the "salary gap" between the richest and poorest. Housing vouchers? Down payment assistance to low income? TANF? Welfare? Has to stop, should have stopped a long time ago.

Another note, most of those people protesting (as seen in thousands of photographs and videos)are using their iphones, ipads, smart phones, laptops, some wearing name brand clothes and shoes made by huge corporations, etc. Total hypocrisy! Hell 1/2 of them are using dominos and pizza hut pizza boxes to make protest signs!

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Christy - posted on 11/08/2011

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Hay Pamela can you provide your own insight at some point, with or without a link? Thanks!

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

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@Christy, I bet many of them will be celebrating Christmas - with their wish-lists already filled out. That'll stick it to corporations!

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

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@Kelly, I have read interviews with OWS protesters and a couple of the organizers. One, a woman based in California, stated that the protesters and homeless were at a crossroads. The protesters were going to have to learn to live alongside the homeless, as they were invading the space of the homeless. She also stated that the protesters were going to have to share their kitchens and first aid stations because the homeless were getting injured. This organizer/leader in California admitted that OWS protesters have had a few problems with 'knife incidents' and fights breaking out, but hoped they could learn to protest peaceably alongside homeless people.
So, no, I don't live under a rock. I do try to get more information when I don't trust a source, which is how I stumbled upon the interviews.
Cultural Media 101: pay attention to the biased language. CNN is one of the worst offenders.

Kelly - posted on 11/04/2011

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Jeanette you would have to be unconscious now to not see the hundreds of arrests that are occurring DAILY and the mass ignorance and direction amongst the OWS protestors. no matter what your news source. Yesterday they were smashing windows, setting fires to buildings, etc. Police are having to wear riot gear, it is costing taxpayers thousands in dollars and police time to deal with the sludge that has invaded parks, sidewalks, etc. The Democrats/Obama have embraced these people instead of dealing with them so as far as I am concerned they are no better. Join them if you like but let's not at least ignore the facts of the entire situation. Even if they disagree on opinion let's also not compare these protests to those of the Tea Partiers. Not even remotely close. The TP rallies do not break laws and they return to their jobs. They also do not agree with some of the wallstreet thugs but they also realize that the housing mess is a Democrat owned issue. So is the massive ammount of Governement spending. Although GW spent more than I preferrred too. Obama has spent more then EVERY single President combined.

Jeannette - posted on 11/03/2011

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I marked your post as "funny" because Huffington Post is not a far cry from the Enquirer, which also makes me laugh. I don't watch FOX, I don't listen to B.S.er's like all in a huff, Huffington...who make much ado about nothing.

Kelly - posted on 10/27/2011

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My word for the day and my first FB post of the day. Thought a few of you would enjoy this!! LOL
Ineptocracy (in-ept-oc-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable
to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of
society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods
and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of
producers.

Christy - posted on 10/18/2011

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Occupy Wall Street = Stupid, yet useful idiots:


We need to go down there and hold Econ 101 classes.

Christy

Kelly - posted on 10/17/2011

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Tonight was FOX News. However you can find the stuff everywhere except the liberal media. Yes I have seen the quotes and pictures of it. Watching a news program where they are interviewing people now in Calif. and EVERYTHING from their mouthes is socialism.. Right out of the game plan of Carl Marx. All corporations are evil according to them and what they don't realize is that this country is as great as it is due to capitalism. A few corrupt banks and companies and now anyone who own a business is evil according to them. Partnered with Obama's message on MLK day speech calling for social justice when he has spent more tax payer money than all the past Presidents all together and he is somehow above all this class warfare?! He has been intrumental in all of it. Right now he is really happy because it takes the focus of of him and his failed policies. He has bankrupted this country.

Kelly - posted on 10/17/2011

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tonights news....antisemitism..."those big F'ing jewish bankers making all the money" and these losers are apparently costing the tax payers...that's me....millions of dollars.

Kelly - posted on 10/17/2011

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http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/Occ... Here is a link for you. At the time of this article over 700 had been arrested. I'm sure you have heard nothing Pamela because the liberal media will not report it. Feel free to google it. There are plenty of news sources to go around if you look for them beyond your typical ABC, NBC, and CBS. They are sturggling so badly because they cannot report the news correctly anymore. Those sources either lie outright or neglect to tell you the truth and leave out half the story. Not that I care who gets funded by who becasue it seems to be occurring on both sides but do you think the free spirited hippies on Wallstreet are not being funded too?! Lets see big labor, White house ties are all over the place, Soro's hands are in everything in more ways than one he is funding this ( I know your lib media will deny this but you'd have to be an idoit to not be able to see it for yourself!), even an ex Acorn leader, all sort of maxists and socialists groups, Hollywood individuals of course.....yada yada yada....
Sure if they are young they can protest. It helps to have a clue about what you are protesting. How about we also do it like the tea partiers and not break the laws and/or display the filth that is going on. No one is going to take them seriously. If you have heard any of them questioned they really are clueless. There info is not based on fact but emotion.

Pamela - posted on 10/17/2011

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I would be curious as to your sources, Kelly. I have heard nothing about what you are talking about (urinating & defecating in public - who has said this?) Yes, many of these protesters are young, but that should not disqualify them from protesting. Yes, some are socialists, but many are not and that too should not disqualilfy them from having their voices heard. Why is only one point of view valid and all others insignificant? Please let me state that the Tea Party was backed and hugely funded by the multi-billionaire brothers, David and Charles Koch. Americans For Prosperity was hugely behind the Tea Party protests, as was FOX NEWS. I'm sorry, but Obama has not fomented class warfare - that has been brought to you by men such as the Koch bros.

Kelly - posted on 10/17/2011

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Disagreeing and having healthy discussions is fine but comparing these people to the tea partiers and calling the the liberal version is wrong. This group is also young and ill informed. Reminds me of the 60's protestors and about the same age range. Clueless and uniformed. They are breaking laws, behaving immaturally, and most really have no clue as to what it is they want and what is the correct way to go about it. Demands like free college for all. LOTS of entitlement demands. Many are sociaslists. I honestly think some are just there for a protest and just want to be angry at others who have more. The sad thing is that Obama from the start has created the class warfare hate. Even funnier are the multimillion dollar celebs who are backing it. They make more than those on wallstreet or whomever their anger is directed at. LOL This is almost a laughable group. the Dems would be wise to sperate themselves from them not embrace them. They will do them far more harm as the alcohol, sex and urinating/defecating in public and other laws they are breaking will only make this group look even more laughable and ignorant.

Pamela - posted on 10/17/2011

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Well, we can continue to go back and forth ("oh yeah? well your side said this!") - and continue the ill will between us, or we can chose to rise above the language of our politicians. I prefer the latter. You chose.

Laura - posted on 10/16/2011

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Maybe we should just skip to calling the OWS protestors the same thing that Biden, or was it John Kerry, called the Tea Party members...lets see what was that....oh yeah
TERRORISTS.

Pamela - posted on 10/16/2011

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Let me add one more thing: I refuse to call the Occupy Wall Street protesters as "f-ing" because they have every right to protest. Just because some of you may disagree with them, doesn't invalidate their right to protest. I didn't agree with everything the Tea Party folks were protesting - but I recognized that they had (and have) a constitutional right to do so. So I would encourage perhaps folks to be respectful of them - they are not "mobs," they are people much like us who have lost their jobs and are doing everything they can to survive which is getting harder and harder to do these days.

Alison - posted on 10/14/2011

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I said in another discussion--they need to be united in what they're fighting for, not just who they're fighting against. I think it's unwise to join a movement when I don't know what end it will help achieve.

Alison - posted on 10/14/2011

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I don't necessarily blame people for being angry, but I think they're making big business out to be the only bad guy when it's more complicated than that and it's not only about crony capitalism for a lot of people, it's about capitalism in general. I think people are united in their anger, but not in the end result they want and the potential of that concerns me.

Pamela - posted on 10/14/2011

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It's not as unfocused as you think. And it isn't because the protesters "hate the free market." In fact, many progressives are not against free market - many just don't want it in everything. Capitalism is not all bad - it's excellent for competition and innovation - no one argues that overall. However, the free market that has dominated our current economic system has functioned more like a cancer - it has effectively squashed healthy innovation and it seeks to spread into everything. What we could call it is crony capitalism.

Many of the protesters (myself included) are angry at Wall Street - at the outrageous bonuses that some of these banks and insurance companies gave themselves out of our money while the middle class has been...trickled down on but perhaps not in a way one might find helpful. Our wages are decreasing, we can't afford the health care because many cannot afford insurance. Many are laid off or let go - yet, the very companies who do the laying off often do so at a time of record profits. These are legitimate complaints. There is more focus there than our "lame-stream" media likes to present. I would like to see a more laser precision focus on issues - but people are really hurting and yes, they are very angry. Why diss their anger?The Tea Party of pretty angry too - in fact over some of the very same issues. Will be it be worse in the end? I certainly hope not - if it is, it won't be because of these protests.

Alison - posted on 10/14/2011

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I have a lot of comments on this subject in the debating moms community under the "Are you in the 99%?" discussion. And the truth is, some of them are protesting a free market economy and some only want more regulation and some don't know what they want, they're just angry and find some empowerment in taking it out on Wall Street. There's really no focus. It's just a bunch of angry people who are starting something that may have a far worse end than what they're fighting IMO.

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