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Christa - posted on 04/16/2009 ( 29 moms have responded )

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Below is an article about the GOP and their position on Gay Marriage. I wanted to open up the discussion and see where everyone falls on this issue. I don't want to set the tone so I will not share my opinion yet, I honestly want to see what others think.









McCains lend a hand to gay Republican group

Posted: 05:49 PM ET



From CNN's Sarah Parker





Meghan McCain is a vocal supporter of same-sex marriage.

(CNN) – Log Cabin Republicans are getting some support from the McCain family.



Cindy and Meghan McCain will make an appearance at the gay rights organization's four day convention in Washington, which kicks off Thursday night.



"Of all the causes I believe in and speak publicly about, this is one of the ones closest to my heart," Meghan McCain, a vocal supporter of same-sex marriage, wrote in the Daily Beast this week. "If the Republican Party has any hope of gaining substantial support from a wider, younger base, we need to get past our anti-gay rhetoric."



Steve Schmidt, former senior strategist for John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign and manager of Arnold Schwarzenegger's gubernatorial reelection campaign in 2006, will also be in attendance. Schmidt will be speaking about the 2008 election and the GOP's comeback agenda.



In an interview Thursday with CNN, LCR Spokesperson Charles Moran said the organization is lobbying New York Republicans to help pass the same-sex marriage law championed by the state's Democratic Gov. David Paterson.



"We have people on the ground, we're identifying our bases of support, looking at our polling, looking at our research, so that we can be ready to assist the marriage coalition in New York with targeting those crucial GOP votes," Moran told CNN.



The group is also working on identifying the Republican players who will serve as the face of their organization's mission.



Moran citied Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, a Mormon Republican who has called for the adoption of civil unions, and Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, who acknowledged that gay Republicans have a place at the party's table.



"These are the types of leaders and luminaries within the Republican party," Moran said. "The party must move forward and regardless of where you are in the conservative spectrum, you definitely can be conservative and an openly gay Republican in this political climate."



"We don't just talk the talk but we actually are providing the boots on the ground, we're making those calls, and we're loyal Republicans," he said.

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Northern - posted on 11/04/2012

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I am not a Christian but I don't support gay marriage. In my opinion, this is an ethical issue and I strongly believe marriage is a sacred affair between a man and a woman. Nature intended it that way. Once we wonder off the ethical path, we have chaos. Nature intended it that way too. Our society is on a slippery decline. How many married couples with children do you know of. In my town, there's just me and only one more. Since the family unit is the building block of a strong society, once it's disappearing, that society is on a slippery decline.

On a side note, I would like to point out that religion is very important to any civilization. Looking back in history, paganism brought barbarism, tribalism, despotism and decentralization.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/03/2012

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Tons of non-religious people get married every day , so religion is no reason discriminate against gay people getting married. Plus these same christians also get divorced each day - Can we stop cherry picking through biblical ideas?



People are people and should all share the same rights , including the right to chose who to marry and to actually get married . And getting married is about more then paying taxes ... I mean come on.

Kelly - posted on 04/28/2009

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This to me is a very tricky subject. I used to feel the same way a lot of you do, that gays chose that lifestyle, that God wouldn't make them that way. Then I became a flight attendant. I got to know quite a few gay men in those years, and had some really long talks about the subject. Each one in his own way said the same thing. "Why would I choose to live like this?" A few had been married to women before accepting who they really were. I truly believe that the majority do not "choose" to be gay, they are just born that way. I believe some people are born evil as well. Child molesters have shown time and again that they are not able to stop, they always will be attracted to children. Why else would men volunteer to be casterated? Serial killers show violent tendancies from early childhood, mental illnesses like bi-polar disease are evident from a very young age. Why does God punish those people? As a Catholic I have struggled with my beliefs and what I think is right. I in no way understand the lifestyle of being gay, I don't like it, and I don't agree with flaunting it. Straight people do not flaunt their sex lives for everyone to witness. I do believe that Marriage should stay a sacred bond between a man and a woman. Like the above posts, I believe the legalities of marriage are what gays are wanting and so I have no issues with civil unions. I guess I just feel that in the end we will all be judged by God, and it is not our place to judge each other.

Annette - posted on 04/24/2009

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Quoting Cathy:

From my "Christian" point of view....Our bodies were made to procreate....for us to populate the Earth. I believe the "reason" for marriage is to procreate. I believe this is "why" God created man and woman in their uniqueness. Look at our bodies and the way they were "created". Now...for those that do not believe God created us, I ask this....if you believe then in evolution, then why have our bodies not "evolved" into something else that would make "gay marriage" feasible for procreation? Think about what this world would be like if ALL people were gay. I know, sounds crazy but realistically, if we are meant to be gay then eventually there wouldn't be anyone left on the planet. Like most....I know people that are gay and I also have a relative that is gay. As much as I love him, I do not condone his lifestyle. To do so would compromise my understanding of God's Word. Sodom and Gomorrah have never rebuilt just as God said. Homosexuality was the root of it's destruction! That's quite a warning to heed! I'm convinced it's not easy being homosexual and in turn they deal with a lot of inner turmoil. Satan is just as powerful now if not more than anytime throughout history and he's not going down without a fight.



I agree about everything you said. I have never met a homosexual that was really happy or "gay." The ones I know about are really, inside very unhappy, confused people.

Annette - posted on 04/24/2009

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Quoting Brittney:

I do not believe in Gay marriage. I too believe it's a union between a man and a women and I believe that is how God meant it to be. Some people act like gay marriage isn't a big deal but to me it is. I don't want my children to think that, that lifestyle is ok. Gays so badly want to be accepted, and if they really don't care what people think. Then why is it so important for them to be married. I don't hate gays, I disapprove of it. I actually have a family memeber that is Gay, and it makes it very hard on the family. IT's not an easy matter, b/c some won't come to family gatherings if the "partner" is there. I love this family member dearly, but disagree with the lifestyle. Gay marriage is something I disagree with, once you start accepting one thing, there will be more to come.



I agree exactly the same way, Brittney. Give a little, and they'll take a mile!

Brenda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Jan:



Quoting Elizabeth:

The more I learn about our Constitution, the more I believe that it is unconstitutional for government to be involved in marriage AT ALL! The only purpose for defining marriage in the first place is for taxation. Christians know marriage is a Holy Sacrament between one woman, one man, and God, to be officiated by your religious leader, whatever religion you are. If it weren't for tax, insurance, etc advantages, these people would have no need to seek marriage, and it would be left to the discrepancy of the religious community. Let the citizens run society.
Also, if there were no public schools and all education were privately funded, as it was at the beginning of this Republic, we would have no concern for gay propaganda/indoctrination (not to mention less need for taxes). I believe this is how our FF meant it to be: little government involvement in the lives of the citizens.
It infuriates me that we are where we are, and I think those of us calling for a change should have a clear idea of what kind of change we want. Getting back to basics means citizens need to stop relying on government. We can't have freedom and expect Uncle Sam to keep feeding us (educating our children, paying our medical bills, helping us pay mortgage, etc) If this dream ever comes true, liberals would be too busy working for their money to push their beliefs on anybody!
Still, my soul yearns for the time when Christ will reign in the hearts of all people.





SPOT ON!!! NO one should be defining marriage EXCEPT a church and its people! Its not in the constitution at all and does not belong in the legal system EITHER! What's next? Civil unions for dogs? I also think that in a country that can barely maintain 50% of is marriages, all this would do is serve the court system, as divorces would be needed, child support, etc! Let companies decide if they want to offer insurance to same sex unions. My hubby's company already does and I live in a state that does not recognize SS unions. I like to think I have a Christian mind and I identify marriage as between a man and a woman but what someone else wants to see it as or do in their home is none of my business. When they start forcing that in the schools, then I have issue. I think Elizabeth is right on the money! KEEP IT OUT OF Gov't hands and the GLBT community would likely get what they want faster. 





The government doesn't much care about the fact the most marriages end in divorce.  It's just job security for judges, lawyers, court houses..state revenues..etc!  It's all about the money!



The money starts first when you pay for your marriage license and goes on from there!  I can't believe how much of our wealth is taxed away..



I've been reading a book my financial advisor gave me called "Learning To Avoid Unintentional Consequences...The Evolution of Transfering Your Wealth Away To Those Who Create Situations, Control The Outcomes, And Profit From It." bye Leonard A. Reinier



I know...long title..but it is so informative as to how most of the US has NO CLUE how much they really pay in taxes/fees etc.  The government just wants it all and they will take it whether or not you are getting a divorce or whatever...



 

Gina - posted on 04/23/2009

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I just had to say that I am so glad that Ms. California stood up for her beliefs, even though she knew that the one asking the question was gay himself. It took a lot of guts on her part!

Jan - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Elizabeth:

The more I learn about our Constitution, the more I believe that it is unconstitutional for government to be involved in marriage AT ALL! The only purpose for defining marriage in the first place is for taxation. Christians know marriage is a Holy Sacrament between one woman, one man, and God, to be officiated by your religious leader, whatever religion you are. If it weren't for tax, insurance, etc advantages, these people would have no need to seek marriage, and it would be left to the discrepancy of the religious community. Let the citizens run society.
Also, if there were no public schools and all education were privately funded, as it was at the beginning of this Republic, we would have no concern for gay propaganda/indoctrination (not to mention less need for taxes). I believe this is how our FF meant it to be: little government involvement in the lives of the citizens.
It infuriates me that we are where we are, and I think those of us calling for a change should have a clear idea of what kind of change we want. Getting back to basics means citizens need to stop relying on government. We can't have freedom and expect Uncle Sam to keep feeding us (educating our children, paying our medical bills, helping us pay mortgage, etc) If this dream ever comes true, liberals would be too busy working for their money to push their beliefs on anybody!
Still, my soul yearns for the time when Christ will reign in the hearts of all people.


SPOT ON!!! NO one should be defining marriage EXCEPT a church and its people! Its not in the constitution at all and does not belong in the legal system EITHER! What's next? Civil unions for dogs? I also think that in a country that can barely maintain 50% of is marriages, all this would do is serve the court system, as divorces would be needed, child support, etc! Let companies decide if they want to offer insurance to same sex unions. My hubby's company already does and I live in a state that does not recognize SS unions. I like to think I have a Christian mind and I identify marriage as between a man and a woman but what someone else wants to see it as or do in their home is none of my business. When they start forcing that in the schools, then I have issue. I think Elizabeth is right on the money! KEEP IT OUT OF Gov't hands and the GLBT community would likely get what they want faster. 

Anne - posted on 04/23/2009

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God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Marriage- a union between a man and a woman.

As for Perez Hilton- Are we calling people like Perez Hilton *Heterophobes*. I think the *phobe* attachment is being thrown around for convienience of the people who are angry if you dont agree with what they believe in. Enough is enough already!

Lindsay - posted on 04/21/2009

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Obama and Biden aren't for gay marriage either so where is the outrage about their views? Have you guys heard about perez hilton and Miss CA? He asked her what her views were on gay marriage and she said she didn't agree so he's been attacking her on his web site but he was all for obama. Why isn't he calling obama names on his web site? This whole double standard is getting old. There are a lot of democrats that do not believe in gay marriage and there are a lot of them that don't even like gays period.

Most republicans are against gay marriage because they feel like it's a state rights issue. People in those states should get to vote on it, in some states they have and thats how it should be. California had their chance to vote on it and the people said no.

Christa - posted on 04/20/2009

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I don't think her father agree's with her. They both openly admit that they disagree on several things. Megan is more moderate then John.

Gina - posted on 04/20/2009

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It seems to me that Meghan McCain is supporting homosexuality because it's popular right now. I am glad that McCain didn't get elected if that is his stance on homosexuality. Not that I'm glad Obama is President either!

Lindsay - posted on 04/20/2009

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I don't have any issues with gay people but i don't think we need to redefine marriage for them. Civil unions give them the same rights as married people but without the term marriage. John McCain lost the election for a reason and that reason was he wasn't conservative so if he is going to join his daughter in this gay marriage issue he can kiss his job goodbye people are already tired of his rino butt.

Im glad Meghan McCain is speaking for causes she believes in but if she's going to speak about them she's going to have to do some research on other issues. I saw her interview and any other topic she was asked about she didn't have a clue. It didn't make her look good at all.

I also don't think the GOP has any anti-gay rhetoric. Being against gay marriage does not mean you're anti gay. Her comments just show how out of touch the McCain's are with the gop. Thats what happens when you spend most of your time kissing the butts of the liberals you work with

Brooke - posted on 04/19/2009

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Wow, I agree with you all. I love the one who is caught up in the sin of homosexuality but I detest that act of sin. My younger sister is caught in that lifestyle and it is because she chose to turn her back on God and all that she knows is right; not because she was born that way ! We are ALL born with a tendency toward sin but that doesn't mean we just "live" in that sin because we have a bent toward that. I desperately love my homosexual sister and I love the one whom she chooses to sin with ( I love them with the love my Saviour showed to me ) I 100% believe that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman. My heart breaks for those who so badly want to be looked at the same as everyone else is looked at. I know, for me, the best I can do is love my sister, pray for her and not waver in what I believe. I hope this makes sense...sorry so long. Thanks to you all for believing fundamental truths and teaching them "in love" to your children...it's encouraging !

Christa - posted on 04/18/2009

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Quoting Shayna:
I think morality of today's society is joke and such increased number of homosexuals is just another example of how low we have gotten. There is no reason to be proclaiming to the world anything about your sexuality. What happened to sanctity and modesty and privacy of personal relationships? I don't run around throwing parades about my sex life. I keep it private, and would really appreciate if gay people did the same.


Well said!  My father has always said, there has never been a group that runs around screaming about their sin and being proud of it. 

Christa - posted on 04/18/2009

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Quoting Shayna:
I think morality of today's society is joke and such increased number of homosexuals is just another example of how low we have gotten. There is no reason to be proclaiming to the world anything about your sexuality. What happened to sanctity and modesty and privacy of personal relationships? I don't run around throwing parades about my sex life. I keep it private, and would really appreciate if gay people did the same.


Well said!  My father has always said, there has never been a group that runs around screaming about their sin and being proud of it. 

Shayna - posted on 04/17/2009

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There were many studies done a while back to find out if homosexual behavior was learned or was it something a person was born with. The conclusion was that for most of the people it is a learned behavior. And I very much subscribe to that theory. If we look back at our history, not just American, but the world, we will see that gays have always existed, just not to this extent and not in this quantity.
I think morality of today's society is joke and such increased number of homosexuals is just another example of how low we have gotten. There is no reason to be proclaiming to the world anything about your sexuality. What happened to sanctity and modesty and privacy of personal relationships? I don't run around throwing parades about my sex life. I keep it private, and would really appreciate if gay people did the same.
So, yes, I am against gay marriage, but what is even more important, IMHO, I am very much against gay couples raising children.

Jennifer - posted on 04/17/2009

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I personally would like to see them with no rights as a couple...however, since we live in America, I feel that they should have the right to a civil union and be viewed as a couple... I dont think they should be aloud to step foot into a church with the intention of getting married and not at all be considered a "married" couple...marriage is something that is blessed by God between and man and women and God even condemns the homosexual lifestyle in the new testament so to call it a marriage is like spitting in the Lord face to me.... that is how i feel

jenn

Dixie - posted on 04/17/2009

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Thank you Elizabeth! I don't believe in gay marriage. I believe it's a religious ceremony that shouldn't be recognized by the government at all. All around the world in all different kinds of religions and places the religious leader performs marriages. If marriage has nothing to do with religion then why can a priest or a rabbi perform the ceremony? Where are all the liberals shouting separation of church and state on this one?

Cathy - posted on 04/17/2009

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From my "Christian" point of view....Our bodies were made to procreate....for us to populate the Earth. I believe the "reason" for marriage is to procreate. I believe this is "why" God created man and woman in their uniqueness. Look at our bodies and the way they were "created". Now...for those that do not believe God created us, I ask this....if you believe then in evolution, then why have our bodies not "evolved" into something else that would make "gay marriage" feasible for procreation? Think about what this world would be like if ALL people were gay. I know, sounds crazy but realistically, if we are meant to be gay then eventually there wouldn't be anyone left on the planet. Like most....I know people that are gay and I also have a relative that is gay. As much as I love him, I do not condone his lifestyle. To do so would compromise my understanding of God's Word. Sodom and Gomorrah have never rebuilt just as God said. Homosexuality was the root of it's destruction! That's quite a warning to heed! I'm convinced it's not easy being homosexual and in turn they deal with a lot of inner turmoil. Satan is just as powerful now if not more than anytime throughout history and he's not going down without a fight.

Gina - posted on 04/17/2009

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I just have to add one more thing, I believe that being gay isn't a choice either, since god created man in his image. He put Adam and Eve on earth to reproduce. I do believe that people are born with homosexual tenancies, and I believe that they can overcome them. Just like everyone has a weakness, some are more prone to doing drugs, drinking, pornography...etc..I don't think any one would choose for their future to be doing those things, but since it's their weakness, they have to learn to overcome it. I do not feel hatred toward homosexuals, I really feel bad about their struggles. That's why I couldn't support any legislation that says it's ok and accepted.

Christa - posted on 04/17/2009

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Thanks for everyone's opinions so far.



I feel that marriage should stay between a man and a woman because, like Gina said, I don't want to raise my children in a world where this is accepted. I do believe this lifestyle is a sin and not the correct path to choose. Michelle, I have to disagree with you, I do believe it's a choice. Why would God make people a way that is sinful? We are all sinners, but we were given free will to make our own choices. This includes when and when not to sin. Your reasoning sounds good, but why does anyone CHOOSE to get divorced, or get into debt, or do drugs, or drink too much, or not finish school, etc. We all make choices that make life harder.



All that said, I don't have a problem with legislation that would give "partners" legal rights such as healthcare and legal decisions. But I think it would have to be applicable to any situation where a person would want someone else that isn't a spouse to make those decisions i.e a best friend, different family member, etc.



Like some others have said I don't have anything against gay people and I don't judge them. We are all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of god.

Michelle - posted on 04/17/2009

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Quoting Elizabeth:

The more I learn about our Constitution, the more I believe that it is unconstitutional for government to be involved in marriage AT ALL! The only purpose for defining marriage in the first place is for taxation. Christians know marriage is a Holy Sacrament between one woman, one man, and God, to be officiated by your religious leader, whatever religion you are. If it weren't for tax, insurance, etc advantages, these people would have no need to seek marriage, and it would be left to the discrepancy of the religious community.


You make a really good point, Elizabeth.  I hadn't ever thought about the REASON the definition of marriage matters so.  Following your reasoning, I can hold to my belief that marriage is a contract between a man and a woman and still understand a gay couple's desire to be allowed to legally "marry." 



I have to say that I don't believe being gay is a choice - I mean, as hard a life is that is, who would CHOOSE it for themselves?  - so I've had a difficult time reconciling my feelings around the issue of gay marriage. 

Elizabeth (the Instigator) - posted on 04/17/2009

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The more I learn about our Constitution, the more I believe that it is unconstitutional for government to be involved in marriage AT ALL! The only purpose for defining marriage in the first place is for taxation. Christians know marriage is a Holy Sacrament between one woman, one man, and God, to be officiated by your religious leader, whatever religion you are. If it weren't for tax, insurance, etc advantages, these people would have no need to seek marriage, and it would be left to the discrepancy of the religious community. Let the citizens run society.

Also, if there were no public schools and all education were privately funded, as it was at the beginning of this Republic, we would have no concern for gay propaganda/indoctrination (not to mention less need for taxes). I believe this is how our FF meant it to be: little government involvement in the lives of the citizens.

It infuriates me that we are where we are, and I think those of us calling for a change should have a clear idea of what kind of change we want. Getting back to basics means citizens need to stop relying on government. We can't have freedom and expect Uncle Sam to keep feeding us (educating our children, paying our medical bills, helping us pay mortgage, etc) If this dream ever comes true, liberals would be too busy working for their money to push their beliefs on anybody!

Still, my soul yearns for the time when Christ will reign in the hearts of all people.

Kristen - posted on 04/16/2009

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Quoting Gina:

I agree with Maleasha, I don't care what they do in the privacy of their homes, but when they want to make it a public issue, I do not agree with it. I am firmly against gay marriage, and had signed a petition to Michael Steele to not cave to their group. I just feel that when they want to teach our children and force it upon everyone that it is ok to live that lifestyle it infringes on my rights as a parent. The other thing that concerns me about making it legalized is that I feel that a gay couple should not be able to sue a church for not wanting to marry them because it's against their beliefs. That's where the issue of church and state frustrates me, since it only works on the side of the state.

That is my opinion, it is a strong one, but I feel if we don't hold on to our beliefs, others will be pushed down our throats.



I completely agree!

Brittney - posted on 04/16/2009

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Quoting Gina:

I agree with Maleasha, I don't care what they do in the privacy of their homes, but when they want to make it a public issue, I do not agree with it. I am firmly against gay marriage, and had signed a petition to Michael Steele to not cave to their group. I just feel that when they want to teach our children and force it upon everyone that it is ok to live that lifestyle it infringes on my rights as a parent. The other thing that concerns me about making it legalized is that I feel that a gay couple should not be able to sue a church for not wanting to marry them because it's against their beliefs. That's where the issue of church and state frustrates me, since it only works on the side of the state.

That is my opinion, it is a strong one, but I feel if we don't hold on to our beliefs, others will be pushed down our throats.



 



I totally agree !!





 

Brittney - posted on 04/16/2009

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I do not believe in Gay marriage. I too believe it's a union between a man and a women and I believe that is how God meant it to be. Some people act like gay marriage isn't a big deal but to me it is. I don't want my children to think that, that lifestyle is ok. Gays so badly want to be accepted, and if they really don't care what people think. Then why is it so important for them to be married. I don't hate gays, I disapprove of it. I actually have a family memeber that is Gay, and it makes it very hard on the family. IT's not an easy matter, b/c some won't come to family gatherings if the "partner" is there. I love this family member dearly, but disagree with the lifestyle. Gay marriage is something I disagree with, once you start accepting one thing, there will be more to come.

Gina - posted on 04/16/2009

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I agree with Maleasha, I don't care what they do in the privacy of their homes, but when they want to make it a public issue, I do not agree with it. I am firmly against gay marriage, and had signed a petition to Michael Steele to not cave to their group. I just feel that when they want to teach our children and force it upon everyone that it is ok to live that lifestyle it infringes on my rights as a parent. The other thing that concerns me about making it legalized is that I feel that a gay couple should not be able to sue a church for not wanting to marry them because it's against their beliefs. That's where the issue of church and state frustrates me, since it only works on the side of the state.



That is my opinion, it is a strong one, but I feel if we don't hold on to our beliefs, others will be pushed down our throats.

Maleasha - posted on 04/16/2009

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I firmly believe that the term marriage should only be used when talking about a union between a man and a woman.



I live in Utah and think that, as long as the word civil unions is used for same sex couples, that's fine. I have no problems with gays or lesbians, as long as I don't have to see it or hear about it, I'm fine with it. I may not agree with it, but it's their decision to live that life style.

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