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Why are so many people against having guns in the home?? I am 100% for the 2nd amendment, and strongly feel we should protect it. We have guns in our home, not just for hunting but for protection as well. I also think it would be a good idea to allow well TRAINED teachers (a few) to carry concealed, no child would have to know!! Wouldn't it be better to have a teacher able to protect their students, istead of sitting like ducks in a pond. We were having this disccusion on the 20-30 yr old board, and no one so far agrees with me on this, everyone was just freaking out. What are your views on all of this??

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Northern - posted on 01/18/2013

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I think all mentally ill individuals should have their gun license revoked. Doctors in Canada are responsible for alerting the Ministry of Transportation if their patient has psychiatric disorders that make him a dangerous driver. Would this proposal pass the House of Senate ?

Kathryn - posted on 01/07/2013

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I think the real issue is the mentally ill, as well.
They have basically gotten rid of mental asylums, and try to integrate the mentally ill into society. Homeless people generally have mental illness. Alcoholics and drug addicts are generally mentally ill. This is just their medication.

Probably the law forbids employers, such as Tim Hortons from divulging that information, as it is medical privacy. Many ways it seems the criminals and mentally ill have more rights than sane and law abiding people.
Chances are this woman felt better, and it was longer than one she decided she didn't need her medication. That is a conscience decision.She (the employee) should have been held responsible for her actions, and been charged.

Locking down schools isn't the answer. It would be prison for students, and they did nothing wrong.

Attitude of the country has a lot to do with it. The USA wants the freedom to carry arms. They are also the country with a high number of gun related deaths. Yes, people should be able to protect themselves, but statistically, the chances are this weapon will be used against you, or your family.

Christine - posted on 01/07/2013

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Hi Northern Mum,
The figures posted in your link are very interesting but the reason this subject has come about I think is fair to say; is that innocent school children was deliberately slaughtered and all of those children were killed by firearms.
Putting firearm homicides at the bottom of this list (still totalling 11,493 lives) does not make it any less important or any less the culpability of guns; at the hand of humans of course.
The statistics showing tobacco use, alcohol abuse, drug abuse are completely irrelevant; and the other statistics relating to accidental deaths, are an unfortunate fact of life. There will always be accidents where people lose their lives but this latest slaying of these poor kids was a deliberate action by a person who had access to a gun and it is guns that we are discussing.

Northern - posted on 12/31/2012

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I am certain it all boils down to individual accountability. Unfortunately, we live in a liberal society where the criminals and the mentally insane have more rights and protection than the innocent victims of such violent crimes...

I have a work away husband and I am often concerned for the safety of my family when I'm left alone with my three girls. I had a talk with my husband couple of nights ago about getting a gun license. We are considering it...

Katie - posted on 05/05/2009

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I agree we aslo have guns for both reasons. As I'm sure you know a gun can not shot itself, a gun can not kill by itself. The only reason people have such a hang up on guns is because the media only broadcasts the stories portaying them in a bad light they NEVER tell about the citizens that stopped a robbery etc. because they were carrying. Also More kids die in pools every year then from guns...you don't see anyone wanted to outlaw pools! Our kids know about guns are allow to touch and shot them with proper supervision...therefore not giving them an unnatural curiosity about them.

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Aidan - posted on 05/21/2014

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australian gun deaths per 100,000 people 2011: 0.86
american gun deaths per 100,000 people 2011: 10.3
in america only 3.6 of these were homicides
therefore mental illness my ass
in australia all of these deaths were murders so its people that went out of the way to get a gun, no accidents or kids getting there fingers on the trigger.
so please just shut your mouth, THE LAWS WORK IN AUSTRALIA WHY CANT IT WORK OVER THERE.

Mary Piergiovanni - posted on 02/01/2013

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The state I live in we have officers/retired military/reserve military (own ther own time) that all have CWP or right to carry in our schools elementary - high school. Some wear uniforms and on some days they dont. But everyday someone is there. I do not think it is enough. the "guard" is not everywere.

PA suspended a 6 yr old for telling her friend that she needs to come over so they can shoot each other with a blow bubble gun. A SC 5 or 6 year old got expelled then it was lifted 3.5 wks later for bringing a broken air soft gun for show and tell. yes, i believe in following the rules, but a 6 year old is not a terrorist or a threat as each of these school districts viewed them. Yes, the SC girl needed to be talked to but not expelled to have it lifted 3.5 wks later. It needed to be explained to her why it is wrong to bring a broken air soft gun to school.

Then again I need to be expelled for playing cowboys and indians at school when i was a child.

I am a CWP holder. I grew up with guns. I was shooting beebee/pellets riffles at age 6. its all how the child is raised. I keep mine that I am not carrying in a gun safe. That simple.

Northern - posted on 01/08/2013

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Good point Stacy! By the way, it will take a lot more to open people's eyes... Unfortunately by then it will be too late.

Stacy - posted on 01/08/2013

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I am back stepping a minute... Why all of a sudden is this a big issue now after those children where killed? Yes its terrible and very sad this happened, but what about all the other people that have been victims of crime? Not just guns, but in general? Why didnt anyone step out and make a stand when crime rates started increasing. I know its innocent children, but no matter who these victims are, they are all victims and I feel like the goverment should look at all the devestation hitting families everyday. Its just sad that it had to take something like this to open peoples eyes

Northern - posted on 01/07/2013

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Well Christine, the point I am trying to convey is that the issue here is not with guns but with the psychotic individuals (such as the one in the latest school shooting) who pose the real threat in our society. While these people are allowed to roam free in our schools, in our workplaces, in our everyday life, the real problem is being ignored and shouldn't the innocent people have access to the necessary protection they truly deserve ?

Also, the article above clearly shows that more murders are committed with bats, knives, poisons and hammers so if I were to support your ideology, should we ban these too ?

I remember way back when I was working for Tim Hortons. A woman working there was a schizophrenic. Nobody informed me of that of course. So one day she forgot to take her medication and literally lost it on me. She grabbed a knife and tried to stab me. Nobody dared do anything about it. Not the staff, not the people waiting in line. I was left to defend myself. Fortunately I had enough wits to talk her into dropping the knife. I was young and naive so I did not press any charges against the store owner something I now regret heavenly. Well, that individual was not fired and is probably still working there today.

These psychopaths will use whatever weapons they can get their hands on (legally or illegally) to kill as many individuals they possibly can before ending their own lives.

I am not only planning on getting a firearms liscence to protect my family but I am also plannig on taking self defence lessons as well.

I do worry about my girls once they are in school as I am not able to protect them.

Northern - posted on 01/07/2013

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What we are hearing from bloviating gun control advocates in America is nothing short of emotionally driven irrationality.

According to statistics assembled from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Center for Disease Control and the Federal Government, firearms related homicides are minuscule in comparison to other the other “big killers” in the United States.

If we look at homicide statistics in the United States it’s clear that more murders are committed with knives, bats, hammers and poisons than with firearms. As Kurt Nimmo recently noted, “ the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outpaces the number of murders committed with a rifle.”

The facts, not the drivel being spewed by the anti-gun propaganda machine, leave us wondering why some State and Federal lawmakers are so adamant about restricting the sale and ownership of handguns and rifles, especially since the majority of gun owners – close to 99% – have never committed a violent crime in their lives, let alone used a gun to do so.

America’s Biggest Killers: The Chart Anti-Gunners Don’t Want You To See
(http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/am...)

Northern - posted on 01/07/2013

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While we address the mental health crisis in Canada and the US, people should have access to the necessary protection against these mentally derranged, protection which by the way the Lieberals are slowly chipping away at.

Children will be children, we are the adults, we are the parents with the primary responsibility to look after them to make sure they are safe.

Now, I will agree with your premise that something more needs to be done about children from troubled homes. Why are the schools simply giving them a detention and transfering them from school to school instead of having the rights to get involved in their lives to figure out the root of their problems. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon.

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Did you say, "no child would have to know?" UGH. Deception is NOT protection!!!
Why are we asking the adults if guns at school would keep children safe? We should be asking the children.
I asked my 8&11 year old boys, "would you feel more safe, or afraid if you had gun security at school?" One said more and the other said afraid. Perfect example of America today 50/50 split.
We should be addressing the mental health crisis in America. Guns don't kill people, people kill people....with guns.

Stacy - posted on 01/06/2013

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I back up the second admendment 100%. With the recent shootings, its even more controv. ( Sandy Hook Elem.) This is something that should have never happened and I know some things are preventable when some just happen so fast you cant stop them until its already started. But I feel with the gun laws they need to be stricter and if they were maybe this couldnt have happened. They could start making schools without windows, with emergency exits that open from the inside, locked from outside, only one main entrance with a security officer and metal detectors. I also agree that teacher should ahve a permit, have a gun safely with them to protect the children. just imagine if at sandy hook they did, it might not of been 26. and the problem is there is not enough educational funding. The goverment doesnt know how to spend money wisely, and doesnt know how to pay off debt. If they really wanted they could work out a way to increase a way to make the US safer expecially for our children. Times are not getting any better and its time to realize when things liike this happen, its time for a change.
Taking guns away is not the way to do it though. Look at the cities with the most gun laws, their crime rate is through the roof. I personally feel protected having a gun at home, safely stored away from my little one, I stay home with him and if I didnt have a gun in case anything happened, my security would be gone. Recentl y here in KY their was a couple who just had a baby, they lived in a trailor in the country, the neighors were 2-3 miles away from them. The husband had cancer and after a couple days of being home he passed away. Some of his "so called" friends knew he was on high dose medication for the cancer so they decided to break in knowing it would only be the wife and baby home. Luckily she had a shotgun and as soon as the first person broke the door open she stopped him. the other guy ran off and was so frightened he turned himself in. If she didnt have a gun, who knows what could have happened to her and her few days old son.
I understand the people are afraid of guns and dont want them around their children, but for me its a form of protection and we keep them safely put away so my son will never be around them. As he gets older he will know how to properly and safely handle guns and know how to protect himself in these troubling times.
Another thing I want to bring up, about gun laws. What if they made laws that if their were to be someone in your household who was mentally unstable or had a disability to not be aloud to keep guns in the home. And also I think it would be good if they took away second hand selling of guns. Every legitamate gun owner, or persons wanting to obtain them, would have to go through a store, get a background check. It wouldnt stop all of the criminals but Im sure it would help alot.

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America is gun happy. Everyone knows that.
Most guns deaths are caused by the family gun, either accidentally or domestic violence.
We don't have a gun in our home, and I don't want one,and neither does my husband who is ex-military.

I wouldn't want teachers carrying guns.
A child has a better chance of getting killed walking to school than getting shot at school.

Christine - posted on 12/30/2012

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US population same size as the population of Australia, France, Japan, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden and UK.
Gun deaths USA 32,000!
Gun deaths ALL these countries 112!
No brainer isn't it?

Bobbi Jean - posted on 12/26/2012

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I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I have no issue with weapons used for home protection.

I am also one of those "well-trained" teachers you want to arm in the school. I refuse to carry a weapon in the school. My job is to look out after my students, not to play Rambo. I have no problem with police officers, guards, or other designated professionals being armed. Not teachers. Our attention should be on the children, not on trying to use a weapon. If I had a weapon in that situation and I wasn't 100 per cent concentrating on the weapon and its use--and no teacher would--it could and would be taken away from me and used against me and the people I was trying to protect.

Stacy - posted on 10/30/2012

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I am wilth you. I dont see a problem with guns. We stay armed and I have a 20 mo old. He loves play guns and is safe and will know the difference when he is able to do so. As long as your safe with them and teach your children properly about them, go for it! Im not putting mine down anytime soon!

Hope - posted on 07/25/2012

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Yes, my husband owns a gun and we keep it locked away and the ammo in a separate location. When my son is old enough to understand, my husband and I will explain gun safety to him in incredible detail. We will allow him to fire the gun so he knows what it feels like. I am a firm believer in gun rights. My husband grew up with several guns in the house and he never even had the desire to touch any of them. I suppose his father taught him well about gun safety. His father bought him his first gun and took him out on the shooting range and taught him how to use it. He is now in the military and knows a great deal on gun safety so I feel confident that he can teach our son the right safety rules for the gun. The most important thing to remember is the fact that guns don't kill people on their own, people kill people. You can think the inanimate object is "evil" and "scary" but tell me what's scarier, a gun -or a crazed killer holding a gun? Creating tighter gun laws won't do anything to stop crime because last time I checked, criminals don't obey the law.

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I agree with you also. They are so worried about guns that they forget they can actually protect people and save lives. If only the crazy people have them how is that going to help us?

Gina - posted on 05/05/2009

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I recieved this in an email today and wanted to share it, sorry it's long!







BE AWARE.....



Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:02 PM



HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009



Please send this to people who care... this is Obama gun control by secrecy.



Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.



This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.



We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.



Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.



To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.







Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:



..It is registered



. You are fingerprinted



. You supply a current Driver's License



. You supply your Social Security #



. You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing



. Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25



- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.







.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.



The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.



If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this..



http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45...







It is long, but, worth reading.



More and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along.



FAILURE TO DO SO IS AT YOUR PERIL!







Any hunters in your family - pass this along.







Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning.







He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action".



Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the Gun Owners of America and or NRA.



This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.









This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.







https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml



http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_in...

Debbie - posted on 04/20/2009

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Well, I agree 100 percent. I feel that the people that think it is dangerous to have a gun in the home are wanting to lay the blame of someone getting hurt on someone or something else. It is a proven fact that people that are educated about gun safety and the use of a gun are not the ones getting hurt. I plan on teaching my son everything there is to know about our guns that are in the home when he is old enough. That way he knows not to run around the house or school for that matter shooting people. There will never be a law that will keep guns out of criminals hands. Therefore we need to be able to protect ourselves and our children!!

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Something I thought I would add....With guns, we are "citizens", Without them, we are "subjects". Police protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.



I don't carry a gun b/c I'm paranoid.

I carry a gun b/c there are real threats in the world.



I don't carry a gun b/c I hate the gov't.

I carry a gun b/c I understand the limitations of gov't.



I don't carry a gun b/c I'm angry.

I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.



I don't carry a gun b/c I feel inadequate.

I carry a gun b/c unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.



I don't carry a gun to kill people.

I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

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Quoting Jennifer:

i have three guns in my home... anyone threatens me or my family it will be the last time they did... guns are only dangerous in the wrong hands... and if you take guns away from good people who is left with guns...the people that were getting them illegally to start with... taking my gun away is saying to criminals that it is ok to rape me, kill my husband and kidnap my child, and i have to watch b/c i cant have a gun to protect my family... this frustrates me to no end...

jenn



 



Oh it frustrates me to no end as well. SO many people are misinformed and ignorant about guns.





 

Jennifer - posted on 04/20/2009

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i have three guns in my home... anyone threatens me or my family it will be the last time they did... guns are only dangerous in the wrong hands... and if you take guns away from good people who is left with guns...the people that were getting them illegally to start with... taking my gun away is saying to criminals that it is ok to rape me, kill my husband and kidnap my child, and i have to watch b/c i cant have a gun to protect my family... this frustrates me to no end...

jenn

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Ladies,



This is a great discussion! I am a gun owner raised in the genration that was taught to respect firearms. I have my concealed carry permit and my husband is getting his. Our guns are first and foremost for protection. Keep in mind that the government has no legal obligation to protect us. If someone breaks into your home and shoots you or your child, you cannot sue the police department for not being their to prevent it. It is up to us to protect ourselves and our families. I plan to pass down the respect and knowledge and responsibility of owning a firearm to my daughter. I will take her hunting as my dad did with me. There may come a time when not only are we the only source of protection, but also need the knowledge of hunting for food again. Stick to your guns, ladies and continue to support our second amendment rights.

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The scariest thing about gun control is this: the GOVERNMENT would be in control of what we citizens can and cannot own. Those in opposition to gun ownership use the tired excuse that "guns kill." Uh huh, well so do knives - when in the hands of a killer. So do rocks and broken beer bottles and bare fists - can we outlaw those things? My husband and I own guns, both for hunting and protection purposes, yet neither of us has ever killed anyone. Owning a gun does not make one more likely to become a killer. Just as owning a set of steak knives doesn't make it more likely.



I agree with everyone who's posted here that children should be made aware of the danger guns pose. As responsible gun-owning parents, it's up to us to ensure the safety of our kids. Because we've never hidden from our kids the fact that we have guns, our kids don't think of guns as mysterious and glamorous, or whatever else makes kids "play" with guns. They have the right amount of knowledge, respect and fear of what it means to own a gun.



Also, because all but one of the guns we keep at home are kept unloaded, we don't lock them up (ammo isn't even in the house). The .357 we keep in the nightstand for protection IS loaded, and so has a trigger lock - much easier to quickly disengage if ever we're forced to use it.



I also agree that teachers should be permitted to carry guns on the job. Schools can be scary places these days! My son attends high school with 2000 other kids - and one resource (police) officer. The odds of that one officer being able to stop a student, or group of students, from carrying out an act of violence - gun-related or otherwise - by himself suck.

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I posted this, but don't know if it's in the right thread.



 



As a certified firearm safety instructor, I can tell you that firearm safety should be taught to EVERY child in EVERY home in America, because whether you have toy or real firearms in your home or not, you can't be there every minute of every day, and if your child happens upon a cast-off gun on a playground, or a firearm carelessly left out at someone else's home, they should know, without a doubt, EXACTLY what to do.






Parents that think they are protecting their children by burying their heads in the sand are raising children with latent curiosity.  Making it taboo is going to make it exciting.  Of course they are going to want to play with guns.  Why do you suppose children are the victims of gun accidents?  BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS DIDN'T DRILL SAFETY INTO THEIR HEADS FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE!!!






My kids have been shooting at targets since they were 4 years old.  They have their own rifle, and at ages 6 and 7, they can operate it safely, clear it, field strip it and clean it.  They know that they are NOT TO TOUCH any firearm without adult supervision, but when they want to go target shooting, all they have to do is ask, and we go out and shoot.  If I can't right then, well, then, we schedule some time to do it in the near future.






What I have to worry about is their friends with over protective, paranoid, and, quite frankly, ignorant parents, who have turned a blind eye to firearm safety, coming to my house and doing something stupid and inappropriate.  Our firearms are locked up and out of sight, but it is so ridiculous and so sad that these kids wouldn't know how to handle it if they found one.






Guns are a part of our culture and our heritage, and pretending that they don't exist isn't going to change the facts.  I am looking forward to the time when my kids are old enough to handle a shotgun because I am looking forward to taking them trap shooting, and getting them involved in sporting.  Whether or not they choose to pursue a hobby, I want to make sure that they are exposed to all of the fun and SAFE things that there are to do at the range and beyond.






In closing, I would like to say that you are doing your children a huge disservice by not allowing them to play with toys, and you are potentially putting them in harm's way by not drilling firearm safety into their heads. There was a time when it was taught in the schools, and I firmly believe that those practical lessons should be brought back!








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I believe so strongly in the 2A that i became certified to teach firearm safety.  I also run a program called "Women Gone Wild" (www.nwcsawomen.org) that uses other outdoor activities to spark interest in shooting sports to (hopefully) turn rabid anti-gun moms to our side, or at least give them a better understanding of the gun culture and introduce them to people that are gun owners, yet responsible, productive members of society.



I am working on making this national, with hopes that I can reach hundreds of thousands of women and get us some allies.

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This is a poll by Usa today about our second ammendment rights. I think we should all vote, and tell them what we think. So far 96% have said that it is our right to bear arms.

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Quoting Gina:



If you want to know intersting facts about the history of  gun control you need to look at the website called JPFO, and look at the genocide chart. It basically shows the history of the countries that have started with some sort of gun control, then eventually had them taken away, and then these countries have had massive genocide happen. In case you needed money where your mouth is.     http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc....



 



 



OH MY GOSH .... THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT IS A GREAT WEBSITE AND SOOOO TRUE.  THANK YOU THANK YOU.





 

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If you want to know intersting facts about the history of  gun control you need to look at the website called JPFO, and look at the genocide chart. It basically shows the history of the countries that have started with some sort of gun control, then eventually had them taken away, and then these countries have had massive genocide happen. In case you needed money where your mouth is.     http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc....

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Quoting Melissa:

There Brittney. I added my two sence on there. Now they all can be pissed off at me....haha. People are ignorant and arrogant. Hope I helped, at least some. Sorry they ganged up on ya.



 



Hey thanks, I will go check out the war...lol.  Oh don't worry about people ganging up on me, I asked for it going on that forum...lol. Just thought I could maybe talk some sense into someone ...lol





 

Melissa - posted on 04/08/2009

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There Brittney. I added my two sence on there. Now they all can be pissed off at me....haha. People are ignorant and arrogant. Hope I helped, at least some. Sorry they ganged up on ya.

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My whole thing is that we must preserve our rights as Americans to keep and bear arms, we must fight hard to push Obama's ideas out about this. It really doesn't even come down to guns it comes down to self liberties, our freedom. If you guys have time, go on the forum young moms 20-30, and look at the convo on controverisal questions about guns. I am being targeted left and right, and the sad thing is they aren't getting it. Women mostly from other countries who have guns banned in their countries, thinking we should ban our guns b/c it has helped their countries. Which is absolutely not true, Austrialia's has gone up in crime since they banned guns in 1996, homicides are up 300%. Canada has a 50% higher crime rate than the U.S. Mind you both of these countries have ban on guns, so it's not hard to see that banning guns does not work, yeah know. But they don't like the facts and still continue to believe that guns are the problem. 

Melissa - posted on 04/06/2009

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Guns are not the problem, irresponsible people are. We have 12 guns in our house, for hunting and protection (which I feel we need now more than ever) and we keep buying more guns, because i think if the president has his way it will be illegal to buy the, they will be out lawed. I hate the thought of that happening. this is America its my right to have guns. And they arent for killing innocent people, they are for hunting and protection. Also 3 of my 4 kids have shot them, not all of them but some. My two oldest have shot our new ar15 and the third one has shot the 22 with supervision on them at all times. And when my baby get to be 3 she will also learn proper gun safety and shoot. Just like they all did. I feel if you are educated then you will be confident. And probably will never need it for protection. Just my opinion.

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Quoting Kelly:



The only time I have faith in the future of our Country is when I am reading posts from you Ladies.  It is nice to know I am not alone out there. :-)  Personally, I think its a great idea to have guns, and know how to use them.  I will never forget camping with my family and my Dad shooting a tree with his .357 hollow points.  It sure shows you the power a weapon can have.  When you respect what a gun can do, there is no reason to fear them.  I have taken my 2 year old daughter shooting, granted she is too small to hold the guns yet, but she knows what they do.  I don't hesitate to have guns in our house.  We keep a loaded .40 in an upper cabinet by our bed where our daughter can't get to it but we could in a hurry.  As far as Teachers carrying, I think it would be great.  Pilots too.... I was a Flight Attendant for American from 1999-2003 and believe me, I wish our Pilots had been armed on 9/11.  What a different outcome that may have had.  The only thing that happens when you prevent responsible people from carrying their weapons into school, fast food joints, etc. is that the crazies get the upper hand.   





I agree.  All my boys are going to learn how to shoot.  I just bought myself a .38 and will learn also.  I grew up in a house where we didn't have guns and they were viewed as 'bad'.  but, I can't ignore what's going on and it just seems to be getting worse!  We have to take our own future in our hands, and I will go down fighting if I have to.

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I think if more people knew how to CORRECTLY handle firearms this wouldn't be an issue anymore. My great grandparents raised 13 kids with loaded guns all over their house. Nobody "played" with the weapons because they knew how to handle them and what they were capable of.

My father always kept guns in our house, and my sisters and I were taught from a young age what they were capable of and how to handle them.

My husband was not raised around guns, so he wants to take some more classes before he buys one for our home, but when we do get it, we will be teaching our kids how to handle them from an early age as well.

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I think it just depends on the school and the teachers.  I love love love our school and all the teachers in it.  I went to some of the other schools here and didn't feel good about them at all.  It should really just be a case by case thing.  I dont think it should be known who is carrying and who isn't either.  That way it doesn't distract anyone or create attention to or away from that person.  If a shooter knows what teacher has a gun they would just target classrooms where the teacher doesn't if that makes any sense.  Just like the airlines did after 9-11 have people there to protect but don't make them wear a huge sign on their back saying thats why they're there.



 



EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





 

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Quoting Lindsay:



I think it just depends on the school and the teachers.  I love love love our school and all the teachers in it.  I went to some of the other schools here and didn't feel good about them at all.  It should really just be a case by case thing.  I dont think it should be known who is carrying and who isn't either.  That way it doesn't distract anyone or create attention to or away from that person.  If a shooter knows what teacher has a gun they would just target classrooms where the teacher doesn't if that makes any sense.  Just like the airlines did after 9-11 have people there to protect but don't make them wear a huge sign on their back saying thats why they're there.



 



EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





 

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I think it just depends on the school and the teachers.  I love love love our school and all the teachers in it.  I went to some of the other schools here and didn't feel good about them at all.  It should really just be a case by case thing.  I dont think it should be known who is carrying and who isn't either.  That way it doesn't distract anyone or create attention to or away from that person.  If a shooter knows what teacher has a gun they would just target classrooms where the teacher doesn't if that makes any sense.  Just like the airlines did after 9-11 have people there to protect but don't make them wear a huge sign on their back saying thats why they're there.

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Quoting Crystal:

I don't trust teachers, and don't feel safe with my kids in public school anyways, so that's why my view is the way it is. I home school my kids because the public school system is not up to my standards. I think that the kids who go in and shoot up the schools would still do it even if they knew teachers were carrying, because they are mentally disturbed people, and more than likely wanted to die, but not by their own hands.



The point is a child/children would have more of a chance at not being shot by a mentally disturbed child if a teacher had a gun and was able to stop this kid before he had a chance to start shooting . Nobody in their right mind wants to shoot a child  , but these children have to be protected.

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The only time I have faith in the future of our Country is when I am reading posts from you Ladies.  It is nice to know I am not alone out there. :-)  Personally, I think its a great idea to have guns, and know how to use them.  I will never forget camping with my family and my Dad shooting a tree with his .357 hollow points.  It sure shows you the power a weapon can have.  When you respect what a gun can do, there is no reason to fear them.  I have taken my 2 year old daughter shooting, granted she is too small to hold the guns yet, but she knows what they do.  I don't hesitate to have guns in our house.  We keep a loaded .40 in an upper cabinet by our bed where our daughter can't get to it but we could in a hurry.  As far as Teachers carrying, I think it would be great.  Pilots too.... I was a Flight Attendant for American from 1999-2003 and believe me, I wish our Pilots had been armed on 9/11.  What a different outcome that may have had.  The only thing that happens when you prevent responsible people from carrying their weapons into school, fast food joints, etc. is that the crazies get the upper hand.   



 



 



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The only time I have faith in the future of our Country is when I am reading posts from you Ladies.  It is nice to know I am not alone out there. :-)  Personally, I think its a great idea to have guns, and know how to use them.  I will never forget camping with my family and my Dad shooting a tree with his .357 hollow points.  It sure shows you the power a weapon can have.  When you respect what a gun can do, there is no reason to fear them.  I have taken my 2 year old daughter shooting, granted she is too small to hold the guns yet, but she knows what they do.  I don't hesitate to have guns in our house.  We keep a loaded .40 in an upper cabinet by our bed where our daughter can't get to it but we could in a hurry.  As far as Teachers carrying, I think it would be great.  Pilots too.... I was a Flight Attendant for American from 1999-2003 and believe me, I wish our Pilots had been armed on 9/11.  What a different outcome that may have had.  The only thing that happens when you prevent responsible people from carrying their weapons into school, fast food joints, etc. is that the crazies get the upper hand.   

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Quoting Shelly:



Lindsay & Crystal,






  I think thats the point is that they have to go thru vigaris training in order to carry a gun in the schools, I would't want them just willy nilly letting any one with a gun permit to carry a gun in our schools.  I think they need to go through the police academey to get this type of pemit...And it's OUR fault as parents that our schools are the way that they are because we just keep sitting back not opening our mouths every time something comes up we don't agree with.  The school district is no different than capital hill...If you say nothing and do nothing then you get what they give you...Just like here they wanted to enact a uniform for our schools well I screamed and yelled and got other parents involved we don't mind it in the elementery & middle school but not the high school b/c that is when our children really get and express thier identity thats were they figure out who they truely are and to supress that is just wrong...If we were ment to be little clones then God would not of made us all unique in our own way...So if you don't like what is happening in your PUPLIC school then do something about it.  BTW No uniforms here!!!





We have armed police officers in our schools, they aren't there all the time though.  They do dare and other things in the schools.  I do think it would make me feel safer knowing someone is there armed just in case something happens in the school.  There have been events at colleges that were stopped because students got their guns from their cars and shot the gunman so it has been proven to help.



I trust the teachers at my kid's school but you hear crazy stories about schools around this country and it makes you wonder how in the world these people became teachers.  I think for the most part teachers could be trusted with guns in the classroom but I also think the teachers union would have to be disbanded and stricter guidelins about who we let teach our children would need to be enforced.  I am personally really sick of hearing about teachers sleeping with students or attacking them.  Not to mention the pushing of their beliefs onto students. 

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I just boycott the public school system. There is too much wrong imo to do anything about it now.

The government has too much control in it and I won't be sending my kids there to only learn what's going to be on a standardized test.

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Lindsay & Crystal,



  I think thats the point is that they have to go thru vigaris training in order to carry a gun in the schools, I would't want them just willy nilly letting any one with a gun permit to carry a gun in our schools.  I think they need to go through the police academey to get this type of pemit...And it's OUR fault as parents that our schools are the way that they are because we just keep sitting back not opening our mouths every time something comes up we don't agree with.  The school district is no different than capital hill...If you say nothing and do nothing then you get what they give you...Just like here they wanted to enact a uniform for our schools well I screamed and yelled and got other parents involved we don't mind it in the elementery & middle school but not the high school b/c that is when our children really get and express thier identity thats were they figure out who they truely are and to supress that is just wrong...If we were ment to be little clones then God would not of made us all unique in our own way...So if you don't like what is happening in your PUPLIC school then do something about it.  BTW No uniforms here!!!

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I don't personally own a gun but i want to.  If parents keep them in a safe place i don't see what the problem is.  The only time you hear about gun accidents in the home are when people leave them out on the table or are messing around with them.



 



I don't know if i would trust the current crop of teachers with guns but i think if a teacher wants to be armed then they should have that right as long as they have been trained

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I don't trust teachers, and don't feel safe with my kids in public school anyways, so that's why my view is the way it is. I home school my kids because the public school system is not up to my standards. I think that the kids who go in and shoot up the schools would still do it even if they knew teachers were carrying, because they are mentally disturbed people, and more than likely wanted to die, but not by their own hands.

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Actually, at my house they're hidden in a place my kids don't know, I am like you, if you can't find them when you need protection what good is it. I meant by being locked up to keep them out of reach of your kids.My oldest son has two guns, and knows what harm they can cause, he's also taken hunters safety, which opened his eye alot.



I heard about the shooting today, and hopefully Obama won't come out with gun restrictions because of it. I am so sorry about the people who died, but like you said guns don't kill, people do.

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Oh my gosh I am so glad there are more people like me. Your right Shelly it was my mistake taking to my own generations about guns. We have had it pounded in our heads that guns are bad. As you I grew up in a home, where I knew better than to even think of touching one of my fathers guns. They weren't always locked up, that didn't mean I knew where they were though either, actually it wasn't even something I thought about.



Exactly ....if one teacher would have a gun it could of made a difference at Colimbine, but for some reason people are to afraid of allowing a "well trained" teachers to carry. I would actually be more comfortable with my kids at school knowing someone could protect them, instead of teachers doing there so called drills to hide them and hope for the best, yeah know.



I believe as well as Shannon that kids would think twice before going on a shooting spree knowing that teachers are carrying !! Gosh I love you ladies!!!

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Oh my gosh I am so glad there are more people like me. Your right Shelly it was my mistake taking to my own generations about guns. We have had it pounded in our heads that guns are bad. As you I grew up in a home, where I knew better than to even think of touching one of my fathers guns. They weren't always locked up, that didn't mean I knew where they were though either, actually it wasn't even something I thought about.



Exactly ....if one teacher would have a gun it could of made a difference at Colimbine, but for some reason people are to afraid of allowing a "well trained" teachers to carry. I would actually be more comfortable with my kids at school knowing someone could protect them, instead of teachers doing there so called drills to hide them and hope for the best, yeah know.



I believe as well as Shannon that kids would think twice before going on a shooting spree knowing that teachers are carrying !! Gosh I love you ladies!!!

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Oh my gosh I am so glad there are more people like me. Your right Shelly it was my mistake taking to my own generations about guns. We have had it pounded in our heads that guns are bad. As you I grew up in a home, where I knew better than to even think of touching one of my fathers guns. They weren't always locked up, that didn't mean I knew where they were though either, actually it wasn't even something I thought about.



Exactly ....if one teacher would have a gun it could of made a difference at Colimbine, but for some reason people are to afraid of allowing a "well trained" teachers to carry. I would actually be more comfortable with my kids at school knowing someone could protect them, instead of teachers doing there so called drills to hide them and hope for the best, yeah know.



I believe as well as Shannon that kids would think twice before going on a shooting spree knowing that teachers are carrying !! Gosh I love you ladies!!!

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I totally agree with you!



There are many people that don't know how to laod and clean a gun!



PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE NOT GUNS!!!!!

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